90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:20 PM, ed2funy said:

If I haven’t commented on someone’s posts, I don’t have an opinion either of them. 
I think Dice Is town atm and you are mafia. 
 

tou can get more later. 

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Low effort nonsense 

[ed2funy]

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:21 PM, DPR said:

Low effort nonsense 

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I’m driving 22 hours. Bite me 😘

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:07 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

So you'd expect a townie not to unvote you after your claim?

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Thank you.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:20 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

I don't like it.

Could be a hail merry of a wolf on the brink of death buying another day while securing a mislynch, coupled with trying to draw out the actual cop with a CC. 

 

Regardless, you made a good call.

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Agreed and thank you again haha, grateful that someone is on the same train of thought as me, feel like I'm going insane.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:26 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Course I would. What I WOULDN’T expect is for that townie to then immediately vote someone who wasn’t going to get lynched in two minutes especially when there was a train that WOULD happen in two minutes

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I voted someone who already had a vote (DPR is Wes), then had two votes when I added mine on, and Verbal was online who had suspected DPR to some extent. In a properly filled deadline room, we have both seen fast trains hop onto someone else, and that was a noticeably higher scum read to me.

 

Once again, Dice with the absolutely nonsensical logic, do you seriously believe this??? I literally switched to the train that would ensure you wouldn't die when I saw that there wasn't time and no one else was on to join the train on DPR.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:27 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

Can you elaborate on your heavy read?

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Yeah, I feel like it's gone through phases

 

* Early day 1 - I thought he just had a different type of personality and felt like someone who had played mafia elsewhere but not much here (explaining the joke votes, initial phase), and it seemed like there were some scum that hopped on this as a potential mislynch opportunity. I was leaning town at that point.

 

* Mid day 1 - He kind of continued doing his defensiveness and woe is me talks, and that combined with his defensiveness early is something that I think i can't ignore? Mafia do generally get defensive like this (I guess town do too), and it muddied my read a little bit.

 

* Till now - There are stronger town reads I have then him, and he's one where I'm more confused than anything. As a result, he's on the other half of my scum/town spectrum, but closer to a neutral read. I've already caught up on most of the thread while doing my replies, and his logic during the night seems sound?

[Verbal32]

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:06 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Sure, we don't have to deal in absolutes - but I still think it is a smoking gun that DPR's "mistake" was a large contributer to a town miselimination, and Marsh pointed out he was wrong, and so did another player, but he brushed it off, and after the elimination he doubles down on it wasn't his fault. 

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The bold has literally been DPR's style this game.  He's got a fair amount of posts doing exactly this.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:21 PM, DPR said:

Low effort nonsense 

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My above statement doesn't apply here - with Ed, I'm kinda on DPR's side, heh.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I think it's cos he's so emotional.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:47 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

DPR straight misrepresented Marsh, and set up his elimination and no one, including Marsh seems that bothered about it. Anyone want to explain to me why this smoking gun was ignored or why Marsh wasn't saved by people pointing out the "honest" mistake?

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Agreed here, DPR is my main suspect tomorrow.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:47 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm confuddled. Kinda disappointing to be still alive actually. No idea what you guys are up to or how to help you. 

 

But you need to trust me since you haven't eliminated me, not trusting me (as much as anyone else obviously) and leaving me in game only benefits the wolves. 

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Do you have a reads list we can look at?

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:47 PM, dicetosser1 said:

thougbt I’d quoted this

 

your right it does read that way but i dont know what verbal is. 
 

when I wrote it I wrote it as speaking to a town about a theory not as speaking to a town verb.  But you’re not going to know that the way it is written I admit

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Good chance of being a slip honestly (though I'm definitely influenced by already thinking he's scummy).

 

Reminds me again, Dice isn't even cognizant about his nonsensical bias, his entire logic and train on me from the start of day 1 to now has been so filled with nonsense, overreacting to very normal joke votes and busy posts, and then claiming my unvote makes me scummy. Absolute lunacy if he's town, and again a scum tell since I doubt him being this obtuse this game.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:52 PM, dicetosser1 said:

a) TownDice already thinks he is scummy

b) not moving to secure a lynch at eod but going to a place that isn’t going to do that is scummy. 
c) moving straight to marsh doesnt say a thing about whether he’s town or scum. It’s pure consolidation. Same as marsh voting me to save himself said nothing about his alignment

 

so yeah I think his vote change was scummy and I think he’s scum

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Welcome to another episode of Dice's insane ramblings.

 

a) Good for you, useless since we don't have enough info to trust you as town

b) I literally moved to a place that would secure a lynch by the deadline, and tried before that to get momentum to someone else who seemed more mafia-esque, which has some merit since the person you pushed us to vote out was town, with the incompetence of when you claimed with no time to give us anything. And then the audacity/scumminess to use that time scramble to blame someone else.

c) Pure consolidation?? To not allow the cop to potentially go to a tie and die via RNG? I wish I had the time to read your other games and see if you were this tunnely/ridiculous as town. At face value, even with your claim, you are BLARING scum.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:14 PM, DPR said:

@RandA lThor is a strong candidate for GF. He slanked until deadline and then was all over the scene. I see a world where the COPlin remarks were rolefishing in this scenario and it looked like it at the time. 

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I slanked till the wedding I was at was over. Why weren't you helping more during the deadline buddy? Could've used it with everything happening, instead you laze around until the deadline's done and then hop in. The reaching for reasoning is so obvious it hurts.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:20 PM, DPR said:

At the time, it felt like Rand voted for me to see if a bandwagon would form. It felt scummy. When nobody took the bait, he switched. 

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You're right! It makes so much sense that I would try to be the ignition for a brand new bandwagon who's responsibility would fall on me! Instead of, in the scenario where I'm mafia and knew Marsh was town/3p, easily jumping onto the train that had town! That makes so much sense!

Can you please make reasonable arguments so we don't waste our time going back and forth on nonsense.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:55 PM, Turin Turambar said:

This was Rands reads.list during EoD1. He has Ironeyes as a town read so why would he.move directly tothatif he hoped he could get his next mafia read lynched( even if wrong in the hope). He then quickly realised and moved to secure the lynch. I think that checks out.

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Thank you 🙏 was with you most of yesterday on most of your logic as I'd mentioned earlier, glad we're on the same page again.

 

 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 2:35 PM, Tigraine said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This whole thing completely reads scummy af. 

 

It's obvious Dice was claiming an important town role. But you wouldn't stop until he said which one...fine, I'll give you the benefit of doubt on that one.

 

But the rest of that exchange literally reads as 1) you're spamming the thread with excuses of why you may or may not be available to unvote. 2) said spamming is doing nothing except making it harder for anyone trying to hurry and decide about a vote because they have to read what form of transportation you're currently using. 3) it reads to me like you're making those excuses to buy time.  The only reason I can figure you'd want to do that is you're waiting for your scummy buddies to give you input. So you covered yourself by teetering back and forth on whether you'll be available at any given moment. 

 

Just based on pages 26-28, I'm almost positive you're scum.  Unless you're really new to mafia...idk.

 

Someone hints at an important town role, idk how you go from being absolutely unwilling to unvote dice to sure I'll vote Marsh.  

 

Just wanted to get that out there.  

 

 

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I haven't played for a long time, I considered myself relatively experienced when I used to play years ago, but am heavily dusty now.

 

I was literally posting what was going on. I went home, had to leave the train that had wifi, and have data issues with my phone. I was going to try and get home to a stable wifi source, but Dice was getting ready for a claim and I couldn't risk missing the deadline which I probably would have and chanced having my data (I had it, and that is not a given with my phone in that location).

 

If I had missed the deadline, and not said anything, that would've caused chaos, I am being as transparent as I can be to help people's reasoning. I don't know how I can make that more clear.

 

I don't disagree that mafia could also post like this, but I do disagree that it's some certain scum read?? Why on earth would town not post like I'm doing above and be explicitly clear in a crazy deadline with lots of actions about what they're doing, why they're doing it, their availability, etc?

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 2:43 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Partly, Dice should have claimed sooner if he was going to at all. Once he did it pretty much condemned Ironeyes. I don't know what Dice had him as, so.now more searching. Yay. 

I was trying to figure out what if any other viable trains were available at that point. My conclusion was none. I figured it was worth something.  Meh

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Thank you on him claiming sooner, all he did was waste 10 minutes of valuable time, he was going to have to claim anyways with the votes on him then.

 

Also, do you not agree that with DPR having one vote already, my switch bringing him to two, if Verbal voted DPR and we had one more person hop in at deadline, he would've gotten out?

 

 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 2:54 PM, Tigraine said:

He started with this, dropping a hint that there is a reason not to vote him without giving a reason.

this was in response to Rand asking if there was a reason he shouldnt be voting Dice.  Again, not arguing his case, just stating there is a reason.

he's getting more insistent 

Quotes his previous post, adding more weight to it

Hint 

He was out of options.

 

Here's the thing, could he be lying? Absolutely, but isn't it better to err on the side of caution here? Especially on Day 1. @Verbal32

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Do you agree that this is exactly what Dice would've done if he was mafia? Vague claim, with no chance of ccs, and then claim the most valuable town role 2 minutes before? Not saying that this means he's mafia for sure, but if he was, this is exactly what he'd do.

 

 

[RandA lThor]

Aight sorry to participate in a burst and leave, but I was supposed to get work done for the last hour lmfao. Gonna be offline, hopefully if I can be disciplined, for the next 3 hours.

[Tigraine]

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:47 PM, RandA lThor said:

Why on earth would town not post like I'm doing above and be explicitly clear in a crazy deadline with lots of actions about what they're doing, why they're doing it, their availability, etc?

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I see it that yes, town would explain that they're in the process of heading home so service will be spotty.  But I also see it that doing it in one liner posts mixed in with the serious direct questions is way too chaotic to be advantageous to you or the rest of us. 

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:49 PM, RandA lThor said:

Do you agree that this is exactly what Dice would've done if he was mafia? Vague claim, with no chance of ccs, and then claim the most valuable town role 2 minutes before? Not saying that this means he's mafia for sure, but if he was, this is exactly what he'd do.

 

 

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Yes, but it is also what someone trying to stress their importance without outright claiming would do as well.

 

Just like the way you handled the situation could be viewed as extremely town or extremely scum. 

 

My biggest issue is that with the soft claiming, it would've made him a target for the real cop if he isn't the cop.  The actual cop could then argue points on Day 2 to get Dice tossed.  As it was Day 1, there was time to step back and go another direction which would give a little time for us to determine if he was legit. 

 

 

 

 

[RandA lThor]

Whatever, I was productive for a little lmfao

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 4:00 PM, Tigraine said:

I see it that yes, town would explain that they're in the process of heading home so service will be spotty.  But I also see it that doing it in one liner posts mixed in with the serious direct questions is way too chaotic to be advantageous to you or the rest of us. 

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It was chaotic because the situation Dice had created was chaotic. If you're thinking along the lines of me purposely trying to do multiple one-line comments to be chaotic during a tight deadline, I had never even considered that as a possibility truthfully, don't know if that's some new meta, but that's just my commenting style when things are super chaotic? Otherwise, if I do my normal wall of texts, I can't react to everything that's happening or get my thoughts out right away in a time crunch situation.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 4:00 PM, Tigraine said:

Yes, but it is also what someone trying to stress their importance without outright claiming would do as well.

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Agreed! But as a result, since I think we're agreeing that it's what mafia would do, what cop would do, and potentially (Ithi's reasoning on town drawing attention away from the cop on night) what any town would do, then Dice's claim doesn't have any alignment indication. Obv we can't vote him out, but I don't think he should be seen as some clear town/scum because of his claim.

 

On the other hand, his absurd reasoning makes me believe he's trying to create cases out of thin air that don't have merit, which is why I find him extremely scummy now, that he's continued doubling down on his nonsense.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 4:00 PM, Tigraine said:

Just like the way you handled the situation could be viewed as extremely town or extremely scum. 

 

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Also agreed.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 4:00 PM, Tigraine said:

My biggest issue is that with the soft claiming, it would've made him a target for the real cop if he isn't the cop.  The actual cop could then argue points on Day 2 to get Dice tossed.  As it was Day 1, there was time to step back and go another direction which would give a little time for us to determine if he was legit. 

 

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But him being a target for the real cop would be moot, or helpful even if he's the godfather right?

 

Also, unsure if you're agreeing with me that Dice soft claiming, and then waiting to hard claim 2 minutes before deadline is scummy, if so, yes agreed.

 

If not, my point is that we could've used more time on Day 1 to step back and go another direction properly, as Dice knew he was the strong, strong favorite to get voted out several minutes before EoD, and all he did waiting to hard claim was waste town's time to make a thought out decision. Back to your earlier chaos point, this was the action that easily caused the most chaos, and is exactly what a mafia would try to do. I think the differentiation between what the actual cop would do and what mafia would do, is the real cop would've realized earlier that they are most likely getting voted out, and mentioned it as soon as that was the case, so we could work with the info.

 

I'm not really sure what the purpose of soft claiming/breadcrumbing is when you're about to be voted out? If that was supposed to be enough to cause people to switch votes, then mafia would just do that every time they're about to be voted out, with absolutely no cons for them as they'll throw the town into chaos, be able to manipulate points, and maybe suss out the real power role?

 

 

[Darthe]

Night ends in just under 8 hours folks

[SinisterDeath]

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:03 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Irrelevant point maybe but Sinister knows how to nest quotes without it becoming unreadable. 

 

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Sorry to intrude, but I was quoted / tagged here.

 

I had to quote the original comment into the post, and then manually drag it into the post to make it nested.

I have no idea how to make it do that automatically.

 

*Also note, because it's not automatic, quote mistakes are highly likely and could be seen as a form of cheating in Mafia games?*  For instance, after I was tagged, I realized after the fact, I had accidently quoted the wrong quote when I nested that!*

 

So to get it to look like the above, I take a post like this and click quote

Then I find the text he quoted

And highlight -> Quote Selected

 

Your text editor may look like this

 

Move the Grip into the body of the text.

 

You can skip the drag step, if your text editor prior was editing text inside the first quote, and it would add the quote inside the quote. 

 

This may or may not work on mobile with limited success... 

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 4:50 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Sorry to intrude, but I was quoted / tagged here.

 

I had to quote the original comment into the post, and then manually drag it into the post to make it nested.

I have no idea how to make it do that automatically.

 

So to get it to look like the above, I take a post like this and click quote

Then I find the text he quoted

And highlight -> Quote Selected

 

Your text editor may look like this

 

Move the Grip into the body of the text.

 

You can skip the drag step, if your text editor prior was editing text inside the first quote, and it would add the quote inside the quote. 

 

This may or may not work on mobile with limited success... 

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So you’re saying you have Verb as a scum lean?

[Nynaeve]

So, in case I get shot in the face at night, this is more ir less where I'm at right now. From town lean to suss.

 

 

Rand

Verb

Lenlo

 

Key

Heavy

 

Turin

Ithi

Ed

 

Tigs

Wes

Dice

 

 

Key is my tinfoil because I'm easly swept off my feet with sexy logic and she's a clever cookie. Could be deep wolfing it.

 

Heavy is an impossible read for me. I've learned to take my time with scummy players. Better to factor in input of players you trust who have played with him before and make an educated guess. Lol  I will say he legit sounded hurt for being ignored but I'm not sure if that's AI.

 

Rand, Verb and Lenlo's posts and the way they're carrying themselves feel towny. I've found myself nodding along quite a bit. There's also a distinct eagerness and they feel passionate and motivated. Plus I feel like verb and rand's behavior around EoD bodes well.

 

Turin and Ithi both sounded good on and off in their posts. I think Ithi had a strong start and sort of lost the initial impact. Turin has been more consistantly involved. 

 

Ed hasn't contributed much. But I dont feel like he's been trying to push any kind of agenda. However if this persists later on he can't be allowed to coast.

 

I've talked enough about dice. I don't think he's legit. But obviously won't push a uncced pr claim. Guessing it will resolve itself soon enough.

 

DPR has been sketch. Plus there was a major shift in his dynamics with verb at some point which kinda stands out. They were bromancing one second and thunderdoming the next. I think verb might have actually contributed something for a change. Had some fair points about DPR irt his exchanges with marsh.

 

I didn't care much for Tigs' posts thus far. Feels like she's going a bit through the motions, specifically early on with her summaries. Felt matter of fact without actual informative insight. I do recall that DPR shaded her a touch for posting she'd catch up and then didnt. Could be soft nudges to distance.

[Nynaeve]

 At least I can rely on the rusty excuse if the peeps in the DT are lolNyn right now xD

[Zander?]

  On 4/22/2025 at 4:42 PM, Darthe said:

Night ends in just under 8 hours folks

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Top Tier Wolf post imo 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:47 PM, RandA lThor said:

I haven't played for a long time, I considered myself relatively experienced when I used to play years ago, but am heavily dusty now.

 

I was literally posting what was going on. I went home, had to leave the train that had wifi, and have data issues with my phone. I was going to try and get home to a stable wifi source, but Dice was getting ready for a claim and I couldn't risk missing the deadline which I probably would have and chanced having my data (I had it, and that is not a given with my phone in that location).

 

If I had missed the deadline, and not said anything, that would've caused chaos, I am being as transparent as I can be to help people's reasoning. I don't know how I can make that more clear.

 

I don't disagree that mafia could also post like this, but I do disagree that it's some certain scum read?? Why on earth would town not post like I'm doing above and be explicitly clear in a crazy deadline with lots of actions about what they're doing, why they're doing it, their availability, etc?

 

Thank you on him claiming sooner, all he did was waste 10 minutes of valuable time, he was going to have to claim anyways with the votes on him then.

 

Also, do you not agree that with DPR having one vote already, my switch bringing him to two, if Verbal voted DPR and we had one more person hop in at deadline, he would've gotten out?

 

 

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I didn't check it when I was thinking earlier but Heavy left his vote on DPR so with a little time he could have been a viable train.

 

Re: Dice, I understand why you think he's sketchy, but he's off the table for me until he gets cc'd. So im not even entertaining thoughts about him presently. You do you though.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 6:08 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I didn't check it when I was thinking earlier but Heavy left his vote on DPR so with a little time he could have been a viable train.

 

Re: Dice, I understand why you think he's sketchy, but he's off the table for me until he gets cc'd. So im not even entertaining thoughts about him presently. You do you though.

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Makes sense, though to clarify for Dice, will you treat him as cleared town in that you will take his reads without a grain of salt that he could be scum? Or are you saying you'll just treat him as another guy, with a twist of potentially very useful knowledge, but are going to be scumhunting elsewhere?

 

The latter makes sense, the former I think could be very dangerous if the other cop is, smartly, waiting to CC, and would put them in an uncomfortable position of trying to stop the rest of town from following Dice, vs trying to stay alive and optimize the time to CC

[Turin Turambar]

I'm not putting any special weight to his opinions unless he comes out with a red peek on someone. So more the latter. If he makes a good case, I'd listen but I'm not following onto anyone without him claiming a peek. 

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 6:14 PM, RandA lThor said:

Makes sense, though to clarify for Dice, will you treat him as cleared town in that you will take his reads without a grain of salt that he could be scum? Or are you saying you'll just treat him as another guy, with a twist of potentially very useful knowledge, but are going to be scumhunting elsewhere?

 

The latter makes sense, the former I think could be very dangerous if the other cop is, smartly, waiting to CC, and would put them in an uncomfortable position of trying to stop the rest of town from following Dice, vs trying to stay alive and optimize the time to CC

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This is a joke, right? You can’t possibly be  asking this and then giving an example to back yourself up. 
 

Makes me reminisce over last game where everyone kept saying “oh, that’s just Darthe being Darthey, so heMs probs town.” and I was “uh, no…”

 

Lo and behold. 

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 6:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I'm not putting any special weight to his opinions unless he comes out with a red peek on someone. So more the latter. If he makes a good case, I'd listen but I'm not following onto anyone without him claiming a peek. 

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omfg

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 6:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I'm not putting any special weight to his opinions unless he comes out with a red peek on someone. So more the latter. If he makes a good case, I'd listen but I'm not following onto anyone without him claiming a peek. 

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Yup makes complete sense, thanks for the clarification!

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 6:25 PM, DPR said:

 
omfg

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What new insane thought do you have now? Want to respond to the below btw or are you struggling to put anything together that cohesively makes sense

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:40 PM, RandA lThor said:

I slanked till the wedding I was at was over. Why weren't you helping more during the deadline buddy? Could've used it with everything happening, instead you laze around until the deadline's done and then hop in. The reaching for reasoning is so obvious it hurts.

 

You're right! It makes so much sense that I would try to be the ignition for a brand new bandwagon who's responsibility would fall on me! Instead of, in the scenario where I'm mafia and knew Marsh was town/3p, easily jumping onto the train that had town! That makes so much sense!

Can you please make reasonable arguments so we don't waste our time going back and forth on nonsense.

 

Thank you 🙏 was with you most of yesterday on most of your logic as I'd mentioned earlier, glad we're on the same page again.

 

 

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