90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

  On 4/21/2025 at 7:37 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I was the first to vote him. I had my vote on Heavy and then he popped up to defend him.

 

So like I've already said at least twice in this game, either it's Marsh Mafia white knighting town heavy. 

 

Or Mafia Marsh stepping in to damage control on Mafia heavy.

 

Marsh is Mafia in both those scenarios so I switched my vote.

 

10 words.

 

If two options. One give higher success. Choose other option.

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Why can't town!Marsh be a possibility?

[Verbal32]

Like, why not even consider it?

 

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:01 PM, DPR said:

We really do need to settle on a standard EOD time. I’d say 5pm New York Time, but I dunno if that fits with dice in Australia. @dicetosser1 is 5 NYT good for you? Anyone else have a better time? 

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this times actually not bad for me especially this week as this is the only day I’m working.  Any day other then Tuesday and 11 am works

 

NYT time works out to 7am for me which means I’m posting from a train most days but doable

 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:24 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

This is oddly accommodating for you.  Is it because Key is a player who is willing to put in a lot of work and you don't want to be on her bad side?

 

 

 

 

Stop peeking through the windows, creeper!

 

 

 

 

Scum don't typically ask for more when somebody town reads them - this is a good look.

 

 

 

 

Just copying what Dice joked about?  And also a misrep.  While I haven't really contributed much yet, which I think (Ithi?) said re: weekend at Verbal's.........DPR has a handful of posts with multiple reads.  Whether or not he's faking it remains to be seen, but you can't say that's not contribution.

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She was here. So was I. She’d said something about wanting more from me I think? Sorry it’s 530 brains not on fire yet

 

so I gave her a chance to talk to me

 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:52 PM, Nynaeve said:

Honestly don't know what to make of dice. Lol

 

One of the things that troubles me irt him is that he voted Rand, saying he basically agreed with all of key's points irt him. That one line of agreeing with no additional thoughts of his own. But then quotes a bunch of my posts going on about my tone and town reading me. He seemed to have put more effort into explaining his read on me than the player he's voting... which is peculiar.

 

I also raised an eyebrow at him mentioning that being lovie dubby with me would have raised my suspicion. As if it was a concern.

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wrong way around. I had already said those things about Rand. I was happy key was agreeing with ME

 

middle.  You asked me to explain. I explained. Be happy you got what you asked for.

 

bottom. Nope not worried just stating a fact

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 7:39 PM, Verbal32 said:

Like, why not even consider it?

 

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Why should I? Things he has done since then haven't really lead me to change my mind.

 

Seriously with the whole a ha! But actually I did that on purpose to see who would fall for it.

 

Apparently I did but he's not calling me out, he went on a whole other tangent.

 

Other people I would vote for would be Heavy or Tigraine or Dice, cos they are at the bottom of my list.

 

So if Darthe turns up as says Hammer or No Lynch then I could consider voting for another person I currently believe is Mafia.

 

But I will still think Marsh is Mafia.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/21/2025 at 7:47 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Why should I? Things he has done since then haven't really lead me to change my mind.

 

Seriously with the whole a ha! But actually I did that on purpose to see who would fall for it.

 

Apparently I did but he's not calling me out, he went on a whole other tangent.

 

Other people I would vote for would be Heavy or Tigraine or Dice, cos they are at the bottom of my list.

 

So if Darthe turns up as says Hammer or No Lynch then I could consider voting for another person I currently believe is Mafia.

 

But I will still think Marsh is Mafia.

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So do you think Marsh and Heavy are just bussing?  Because the guy you're voting for (Marsh) thinks the other guy you think is scum (Heavy) is actually scum as well.  The fact you're not considering the possibility that Marsh and Heavy are not super likely to be the same alignment is puzzling to me.

 

As to "why should I?".......my answer to that is a townie should consider all possibilities and not lock themselves into an absolute.

 

*insertonlysithdealinabsoluteshere*

[Verbal32]

Gotta bounce for a few hours - I'll be back before DL.  

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/21/2025 at 7:47 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Why should I? Things he has done since then haven't really lead me to change my mind.

 

Seriously with the whole a ha! But actually I did that on purpose to see who would fall for it.

 

Apparently I did but he's not calling me out, he went on a whole other tangent.

 

Other people I would vote for would be Heavy or Tigraine or Dice, cos they are at the bottom of my list.

 

So if Darthe turns up as says Hammer or No Lynch then I could consider voting for another person I currently believe is Mafia.

 

But I will still think Marsh is Mafia.

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How many times do I have to tell people it was not purposeful, not a trap, not a clever scheme. 

 

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  On 4/21/2025 at 6:22 PM, Ironeyes said:

You're misinterpreting the term "made Ithi and Turin think"

It's grammatically dependent on the first few words: "In an effort to be nice..." 

In other words, by trying to be nice I caused Ithi and Turin to form a conclusion. There is no intent there, merely cause and effect. 

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  On 4/21/2025 at 6:27 PM, Ironeyes said:

See my response to DPR, also to Ithi. I didn't pretend to do anything. I cut you some slack and got sussed for it by everyone. I would have had to intend to get a reaction for it to be a trap, which I didn't. Key using my mistake as cover was also an unintended side effect. 

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  On 4/21/2025 at 6:50 PM, Ironeyes said:

Do we speak the same English language? Trap and Accident are not synonyms.

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  On 4/21/2025 at 7:13 PM, Ironeyes said:

...so "trying" and "pretending" are synonyms too? 

Heavy, can you loan DPR your thesaurus please? 

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[Ironeyes]

Vote Heavy

[Darthe]

This is a hybrid hammer game.  If no hammer is reached the person with the most votes at deadline will be lynched.  If two or more people are tied for the most votes at deadline, the lynch will be randomized between those candidates.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I mean I will change my vote if something happens to change my mind, but I'm not gonna change my mind just cos someone asks me to.

 

[Ironeyes]

Gotta head to campus. Last day of school EVER except for final exams (but we don't think about those)

 

Nyn

Ithi, Verb

Rand, Tigraine, Lenlo, Dice

Turin, Ed

DPR

Key, Heavy

  

  On 4/21/2025 at 5:04 PM, Ironeyes said:

Nyn: Town 

Ithi: Town but less so

Key, Heavy: Scum 

Turin, DPR, Ed: Possible lurking scum

Dice, Verb: No read yet 

Rand, Tigraine: 

 

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[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 7:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

As to "why should I?".......my answer to that is a townie should consider all possibilities and not lock themselves into an absolute.

 

*insertonlysithdealinabsoluteshere*

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Maybe a townie should consider voting 

[Leelou]

Official Vote Count

 

Marsh (3/7): Ithi, Wes, Key

Dice (2/7): Nyn, Turin

Heavy (2/7): Lenlo, Marsh

Tig (1/7): Ed

Rand (1/7): Dice

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Rand, Tig

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

count down to hammer time

[Leelou]

^last vc from me for the day, someone else has to tag in 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/20/2025 at 7:40 PM, Nynaeve said:

think dice would be more understanding to a noob losing it from possibly mere inexperience and/or an inherent tendency to be a scummy player regardless of rand. This is of course loosely based on my impression thus far and is contingent to that impression being correct, but his lol welcome to mafia, I'd lynch you cause you've never been lynched before... dunno.

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+1

 

- slight town read from this and other reasoning comments on actions in this game so far

 

  On 4/20/2025 at 7:49 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Ironeyes did seem to be defending Heavy. Regardless of Heavy's alignment it seems early to defend anyone.

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Nyn did so above in a roundabout way (which I agree with), I think you also defend other people as part of the process of investigation, if you think they're getting a train built on them for the wrong reasons.

 

- slight scum read from what seems like a fabricated push

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

am I the only one finding this post to really say nothing?

names the more visible players then says scum is split between them and the quiet ones.

 

is this sposed to be a revelation?

 

then names three people from the first group to have scum in it yet he’s not even been here?

 

and everything seems to be double backed 

 

ithis post has gems “one way or another”

 

less chance that all of three people are town

 

then there the nyn thing.  Above I asked him why

 

nyns responses made me think it’s a joke

 

then he voted.  Then he invited. But the only time he mentions her here is to list her in the first group?

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More or less trying to get my bearings and dust off my inexperience. Was just meant to help me summarize my thoughts (there wasn't much that had happened yet), and get knowledge from how ppl interacted with it. Thats to explain why it doesn't say much of anything 

 

However, I don't love the reaction you're giving here. When did I imply this was supposed to be some revelation? Why does me not posting as much have anything to do with what group I think might have a mafia member in it?

 

Double backed is fair for Ithi, but Im legitimately confused on how to read her? Should I take a stance even if I'm not sure?

 

Also, the "Nyn" thing is pretty straightforward right? Joke vote off bad, and unvoted when I realized votes started mattering? What's odd about that?

 

- strongest scum read yet, but still slight, this comment rubs me wrong especially because I included him in the group of 3 people that I thought included one scum, and it seems to me he's reacting strongly

 

Caught up to page 12, breaking it up for my/others reading ease, will catch up and participate before deadline! Heads up will be at work so catching up on/off when I get the chance for the next ~4 hours

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:12 AM, dicetosser1 said:

Vote rand

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LOL, sorry adding this in before I continue reading, but voting me off that one post is a little ridiculous imo. Strengthens my read on you

[RandA lThor]

Kk will be off for a little bit before I dive back in

[Turin Turambar]

@RandA lThor , not gonna  quote your big post to make my reply.  I disagree with your assessment of Nyn with regards to Dice.  She didn't defend Heavy, she called out Dice for essentially picking low hanging fruit imo. Ironeyes did defend Heavy although he says he didn't mean to and now is voting him... they aren't the same.

 

I would defend someone I thought town, but Marsh pretty much all along has said he thought Heavy was mafia and even proposed that theory that Heavy and Key are mafia together. 

 

So yeah, agree to disagree. 

 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

@Ironeyes if you are still about to read this, why when DPR has called you a liar and is voting for you have you persisted with your theory formed in the first few posts of the game that I have more mafia equity than DPR? I know I can certainly react too strongly to someone accusing me, but it seems strange that his accusation does not bother you, or his vote. 

 

Or do you just think I'm the more likely counter train? I suppose... 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/21/2025 at 8:47 PM, Turin Turambar said:

@RandA lThor , not gonna  quote your big post to make my reply.  I disagree with your assessment of Nyn with regards to Dice.  She didn't defend Heavy, she called out Dice for essentially picking low hanging fruit imo. Ironeyes did defend Heavy although he says he didn't mean to and now is voting him... they aren't the same.

 

I would defend someone I thought town, but Marsh pretty much all along has said he thought Heavy was mafia and even proposed that theory that Heavy and Key are mafia together. 

 

So yeah, agree to disagree. 

 

 

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Very fair points, and thanks for the added context since I haven't caught up yet. Also got to start using tagging, the notifications when you're talking about someone are key.

 

My deskmate is not in office today! Still have to be productive rip, but I think I should be able to catch up faster than I originally thought

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/21/2025 at 8:29 PM, RandA lThor said:

+1

 

- slight town read from this and other reasoning comments on actions in this game so far

 

Nyn did so above in a roundabout way (which I agree with), I think you also defend other people as part of the process of investigation, if you think they're getting a train built on them for the wrong reasons.

 

- slight scum read from what seems like a fabricated push

 

More or less trying to get my bearings and dust off my inexperience. Was just meant to help me summarize my thoughts (there wasn't much that had happened yet), and get knowledge from how ppl interacted with it. Thats to explain why it doesn't say much of anything 

 

However, I don't love the reaction you're giving here. When did I imply this was supposed to be some revelation? Why does me not posting as much have anything to do with what group I think might have a mafia member in it?

 

Double backed is fair for Ithi, but Im legitimately confused on how to read her? Should I take a stance even if I'm not sure?

 

Also, the "Nyn" thing is pretty straightforward right? Joke vote off bad, and unvoted when I realized votes started mattering? What's odd about that?

 

- strongest scum read yet, but still slight, this comment rubs me wrong especially because I included him in the group of 3 people that I thought included one scum, and it seems to me he's reacting strongly

 

Caught up to page 12, breaking it up for my/others reading ease, will catch up and participate before deadline! Heads up will be at work so catching up on/off when I get the chance for the next ~4 hours

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He lives!

IDK how all of you are forming reads on Dice with how little he's done. 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 8:53 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

@Ironeyes if you are still about to read this, why when DPR has called you a liar and is voting for you have you persisted with your theory formed in the first few posts of the game that I have more mafia equity than DPR? I know I can certainly react too strongly to someone accusing me, but it seems strange that his accusation does not bother you, or his vote. 

 

Or do you just think I'm the more likely counter train? I suppose... 

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If I had three votes I would use them on all three of you, Key, and DPR. Since I only have one, I'm limited to pointing out his misreps and building a case for Day 2 or 3. I'm willing to vote him though if the next 5 hours go very differently from what I expect. What I think will happen though is that you and I will be the competing trains.

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:19 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

 

I also disagree on Rand and Ed as said above. With dice, that's fair, re: behavior last game. I felt like the joke vote was par for the course with dice, but now I didn't like a few things in his post below.

 

 

First bold - this is a weird inclusion.  Feels defensive. 

 

Second bold - why would her being scum make her sad about you??

 

I do agree with the italics about Rand's post 

 

Third bold - not interacting IS distancing?? And, imo, if you feel like someone is town, why not interact with them?  Especially questions they are asking or information they are providing.

 

last bold - I feel like this is a misrep of Turin. I don't see any town testing from him?

 

 

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first. I think this was the weird marsh iron eyes thing? Can’t remember without the quote showing properly

 

what do you want? Something feels weird there but I don’t think it’s heavy that’s bringing the weird. Haven’t figured out what it is yet

 

second. Seriously? That question was about “are you going to turn out to be scum this game” my response was only if your scum

 

no not interacting is sometimes just not interacting. Distancing is a choice. Something done on purpose.

sometimes you don’t interact because you just don’t feel the need to.

 

i didn’t say he had. I’m still salty from last game. You have brought this up a number of times. I suggest you just leave it alone.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 4:22 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

I was tired so I didn't think anything of this last night, but this is weird?  Like, duh, I want your reads and thoughts on things in the game.

 

 

Bold - why?? I dislike blanket statements like this. I always want to know why someone feels the way they do.

 

Italics - Didn't you get after Rand for saying virtually nothing?  And now you come with this, which is virtually nothing??

 

Second bold - Misrep, imo.  How is he going all half cocked?  He is acting very different than last game, which is at least mildly concerning to me, but this is not accurate.

 

What about Ithi's poking do you like?

 

 

Again with the townie questions, imo.

 

I'm going to spoiler Ithi's big post because this is already long enough, I'm sure.

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Bold - How does the lie detector thing last game apply to this game?    I do agree that not discounting someone based on a different style of play than you is good though.  I remember reading Turin as wolfy most of the time way back in the day, but I was able to get past it last game lol. 

 

Italics - to be completely fair, the agreeing with all game thread content wasn't what dice quoted when he said town testing.  Not sure what he was getting at though re: town testing because I don't see any of that in the post he quoted.

 

That aside, I like this from Ithi because I feel like Wolf!Ithi could have easily just been quiet and let folks go after Turin.  

 

Second bold - Can we have your list now??

 

Going to spoiler this post of dice's too since it's long.

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First bold - okay, fine on your read, but no interaction with a town read is weird. 

 

Italics - So what do you think of him now? You said there's something with him and IE, but focused more on IE.

 

Second bold - misrep, imo. He said he was voting you based on comparison of your behavior this game in comparison to your behavior last game.

 

Last bold - what do you mean here?

 

I feel like the more I try to catch up the more behind I am lol.

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ok answering you just isn’t working for me with the way my is cause I can’t remember what your quoting most of the time

 

1st bit. I’ve already answered this.  You were here. I was here. In real time. I was letting you know I was there and could talk to you in real time if you wanted

 

the next bit I think was my reads on nyn and you?  Have you actually read my posts before asking all these? Cause I’ve already answered the nyn. Even quoted a bunch of her posts which she commented on me doing

 

you is simply that your poking hard and seem to be hunting same as last game

 

again already answered about half cocked. He went off before I even got to reply to things he asked me. Hence half cocked.

 

you think it’s a misrep . I don’t. Difference is? You weren’t the subject.

 

you asked somewhere about ithi.  I like she started poking almost immeadiately. That she hasn’t flinched from defending Turin or calling me out on being salty still 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 4:41 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Hmm. This seems suspiciously half-hearted. 

 

I'm feeling DPR-Lenlo-Dice wolf team from the last few posts, with the caveat that it would seem strange to hand out that info so easily in a few short posts. So probably not 100% accurate. 

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what? I hadn’t even been posting

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 4:48 PM, Ironeyes said:

Here's the TL;DR

Heavy is scum. In an effort to be nice to what I thought was someone playing his first game, I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending him. Key took that opening and used it to push suspicion onto me while simultaneously defending Heavy in a more subtle way. They're teammates trying to make sure I go down next after Heavy flips scum. 

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seriously?

 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 4:48 PM, Ironeyes said:

 The timeline: First, people make jokes and vote each other, fun stuff. Heavy seems confused by our lack of reasoning to vote, joke votes are explained. This is the first emotionally charged post he makes. DPR, Ithi, and Ed immediately sus him for it, and right after that I say it doesn't seem alignment indicative. These posts are all back to back btw. 

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Then after that, Heavy has the first thing that I'd call overreaction. 

Ok, he's starting to ping. Sure. I have to point out though that this is AFTER my "defense" of Heavy that Key is on about (see the end of this post). And I say as much: 

But I'm still trying to be nice because I'm under the impression the guy is new to Mafia. Here's that exchange: 

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Dice comes in, drops what looks like a joke vote on Heavy, then post-facto converts it into a real vote. 

 

Ithi then starts the Marsh train. Her reasoning is that I'm defending heavy, which makes me either defending a teammate or white knighting a confused townie. Uses my unvote on Dice as a flawed part of the reasoning. Weird reason to vote me rather than Heavy, who she sussed in the same post, but Ithi is still on level footing reasons wise. It's not motivated reasoning. But what this does is give an opening. 

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Nyn shows up, catches up, displays what even I remember is town!Nyn energy. 

Heavy calms down. 

At this point, Turin shows up, susses me and Dice for Dice knowing I'm almost a lawyer (?) and tries to give Heavy an out for language barrier. Subtle defense. And of course defending Heavy is sus, is it not? 

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Here's Key's first significant contribution to the game. It begins by laying groundwork to sus me. Essentially, because in my first post about Heavy I didn't think his actions were alignment indicative, I'm defending him. But in the same post Key calls him new town. This is subtle defense by way of deflecting onto the available scapegoat, Ironeyes, who was freshly called out by Ithi, Nyn, and Turin.

Then the next post: Yet more "you didn't include other people, hence sus." More subtle defense of Heavy as well: He might be town who got emotional because he doesn't want to die. 

Then look at this, she says Heavy is making pro town moves! And she's out for IRL stuff. 

Key shows up, defends Heavy in every post she makes before having to leave again, and then makes a big deal out of me "defending" him based on a post I made before he did most of the suspicious stuff. 

Hello Mrs. Key-ttle, I'm Mr. Pot. 

 

This is Page 10, but it's the biggest part of my point so I'm gonna be less detailed now. 

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at what point did I say it was a real vote as in I think he’s scum he should be lynched?

 

this post is rubbish.  Leaning on the lawyer joke quite obviously. Click baiting with heavy is scum but then focussing on key mostly and voting key saying he wants to put his money where his mouth is? The first thing out of your mouth was heavy is scum!

 

willing to lynch
 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 5:08 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

OMGUS. 

 

Of course I'd be happy to elucidate. I feel you are grabbing at low hanging fruit. Not damning in itself and perhaps not  even AI, but added to your nonchalance about eliminating a town player as necessary collateral, your overplaying the information aspect of my miselimination, it does give me the creeps a bit. Especially as we both know that when mafia, you are the man with the plan from D1. So wolf!Lenlo would be expected to have this kind of plan and given the low activity, low hanging fruit would seem to be the way to go. Not the strongest case ever, no. 

 

But then DPR flies in with a passionate and unnecessary defense. Seems a bit over the top. 

 

Then the half-hearted inclusion but not really of Dice just pinged me. Plus I'm not big on the wrestling posts. Seems semi-likely to be a tell. 

 

I'm also not liking Turin a lot or Ed as Town, and it would be odd that in a few posts the entire team would out themselves. 

 

But that is where my thought processes are. 

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lmao. It’s wrestlemania season and Zander and I are fans

 

if you think that’s a tell… lol

[ed2funy]

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:09 AM, keyholder21 said:

 

This a joke vote, or serious?

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you’re really pretty

it was a I miss Tiga vote 

[Lenlo]

Ok home from work, reading time now.

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/21/2025 at 9:08 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

first. I think this was the weird marsh iron eyes thing? Can’t remember without the quote showing properly

 

what do you want? Something feels weird there but I don’t think it’s heavy that’s bringing the weird. Haven’t figured out what it is yet

 

second. Seriously? That question was about “are you going to turn out to be scum this game” my response was only if your scum

 

no not interacting is sometimes just not interacting. Distancing is a choice. Something done on purpose.

sometimes you don’t interact because you just don’t feel the need to.

 

i didn’t say he had. I’m still salty from last game. You have brought this up a number of times. I suggest you just leave it alone.

 

 

 

ok answering you just isn’t working for me with the way my is cause I can’t remember what your quoting most of the time

 

1st bit. I’ve already answered this.  You were here. I was here. In real time. I was letting you know I was there and could talk to you in real time if you wanted

 

the next bit I think was my reads on nyn and you?  Have you actually read my posts before asking all these? Cause I’ve already answered the nyn. Even quoted a bunch of her posts which she commented on me doing

 

you is simply that your poking hard and seem to be hunting same as last game

 

again already answered about half cocked. He went off before I even got to reply to things he asked me. Hence half cocked.

 

you think it’s a misrep . I don’t. Difference is? You weren’t the subject.

 

you asked somewhere about ithi.  I like she started poking almost immeadiately. That she hasn’t flinched from defending Turin or calling me out on being salty still 

 

 

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what? I hadn’t even been posting

 

seriously?

 

 

 

at what point did I say it was a real vote as in I think he’s scum he should be lynched?

 

this post is rubbish.  Leaning on the lawyer joke quite obviously. Click baiting with heavy is scum but then focussing on key mostly and voting key saying he wants to put his money where his mouth is? The first thing out of your mouth was heavy is scum!

 

willing to lynch
 

 

lmao. It’s wrestlemania season and Zander and I are fans

 

if you think that’s a tell… lol

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Gonna let Dice catch up. 

I'm WTL Heavy, Key, and DPR. Currently voting Heavy. The Key vote was to make a point. 

Am I reading correctly to think you also suspect Key, just for different reasons?