90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:04 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Is this list top to bottom or is it pretty much random? I'm guessing random but please lemme know. 

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It was random as it occurred to me, sorry for the lack of organisation. 

[Lenlo]

  On 4/20/2025 at 3:14 PM, Nynaeve said:

So I gotta ask.

What does the bela icon mean when you mark that on a post? Good? Bad? Cheeky?

 

It kinda blows that you cant like a post. The heart sends mixed messages if i like the content but not the person posting it... lol

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I've been using it to call someone stubborn like a horse.

[DPR]

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:16 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Because pinning the tail on the donkey would start/add to a train that both Town and Mafia will make use of. I've seen the mess it makes for town when there are no wolves under suspicion on D1 - it makes nearly the whole day NAI. 

 

So I'm hoping that someone will ping me and my vote can be placed more usefully. Just like Turin just pinged me, though not sure if it is enough to earn my vote. Without a strong read I've got a much better chance of getting a town with a random vote than wolf. I don't see how that helps at this point. Waiting for things to heat up a bit and see if any of the wolves are going to implement a cunning plan. 

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Just noting that this is a huge shift from how you came into the game. I’ll have to reread to see if it looks like you’ve been coached, but that’s a possibility in my mind atm. 
 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:18 PM, Turin Turambar said:

DPR,  I just went through and read your posts in this game and it feels to me that you are mostly pot stirring and not so much mixing it up. There have been a lot of quips and things but only a few real time takes. Some of those strike me as odd. 

 

You called out Tigraine for her "drive by" and then later compared her to Verb. This I thought was you best contribution ( other than lols, which have been top notch).

 

The Rand entry reaction felt reaching. I took his entire entry as a big joke with Nyn. You even asked if he was joking, but it looked like you wanted to treat it as serious.  It felt manufactured. 

 

You noted Lenlo hadn't posted. (Darthe,  maybe check on him). Was that in any part a response to my joke vote on him?

 

The whole Ed 3p "confusion" episode where you claimed I was soft claiming 3p then in the same post said I wasn't. It felt like fishing.

 

You critiqued Ed for not liking someone that excluded themselves from their read list. You didn't mention that I had included myself. That seemed a bit hypocritical. Maybe you just don't really care what my reads are so didn't read carefully.  Idk

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The rest of this post sounds like blah blah blah to me, but the bold stuck out:

 

I was quite specific as to what I didn’t like about Rand’s post. I said that I found it funny that he said he was catching up, but already had Nyn sized up. He followed it up with a vote. 
 

I did ask Nyn if she felt he was joking. She said she was fine with his vote and he later unvoted and said it was a joke, so I’m off it. 
 

But you saying it felt manufactured is weird to me as I gave a reason, asked around and left it after the whole of it seems to have been explained. Why say that? 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:55 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I get that but muddying the waters with t/'t violence is also not helpful. Also making sketchy cases against players seems an incredibly wolfy thing to do and seems like there is a high chance of backfiring. How then is anyone meant to find the wolves if town are carrying out wolf tactics? I have to stay in the comfort zone of my own abilities, I feel like I have damaged town's chances enough today with lashing out randomly at people with sketchy reasoning. Not only would I be likely eliminated by my flip would tell no one anything. 

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Town on town violence is overrated, especially on D1.  Does a fake case backfire sometimes?  Sure.  But when it works and you net multiple scum with one move?  *Chef's Kiss*

[Lenlo]

Alright caught up. Anyone I dont mention I dont remember and probably hasn't done enough. Whats the VC at?

 

Feel good on:
Ithi
Nyn

 

Meh/Neutral on:
DPR
Verb
Ed
Key

 

Leaning bad on:

Tig? I dunno, like 3 posts, but they werent a great 3 posts
Dice

 

Lynch today plox:
Vote Heavy

Marsh
 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Can we get the end of Day time sorted please, as it seems it only works for people who are stateside. I will never be there for a 3am deadline. 

 

I did mine at 10pm BST and most people were able to show up. 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:51 PM, DPR said:

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Pirate posts Longtitude. Super helpful for navigating.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:42 PM, Lenlo said:

Lynch today plox:
Vote Heavy

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Should you not post a bit reasoning than that if you don't want to be accused of going after low hanging fruit? 

 

Should I be eliminated and then assuredly flip town it will help us if you make your reasons for voting for me as clear as possible. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm gonna have to Thanos this cos it's driving me nuts to gave 2 mods and no VC 

 

Very Unofficial Vote Count by Ithi

 

Dice (2/7): Nyn, Turin

Marsh (1/7): Ithi

Tig (1/7): Ed

Rand (1/7): Dice

Heavy (1/7): Lenlo

 

Not Voting: DPR, Verb, Key, Rand, Marsh, Tig, Heavy

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

https://countingdownto.com/?c=6235914

[Ithillian Turambar]

*to have

 

Also thanks for making me pause and check with the vote for Darthe, Verbal

[Ithillian Turambar]

Currently just under 11 hours till end of Day 1

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:42 PM, Lenlo said:

Alright caught up. Anyone I dont mention I dont remember and probably hasn't done enough. Whats the VC at?

 

Feel good on:
Ithi
Nyn

 

Meh/Neutral on:
DPR
Verb
Ed
Key

 

Leaning bad on:

Tig? I dunno, like 3 posts, but they werent a great 3 posts
Dice

 

Lynch today plox:
Vote Heavy

Marsh
 

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I'm crushed. You left me off.

with Rand 

 

 

[Lenlo]

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:56 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Should you not post a bit reasoning than that if you don't want to be accused of going after low hanging fruit? 

 

Should I be eliminated and then assuredly flip town it will help us if you make your reasons for voting for me as clear as possible. 

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I dont really care if I get accused of that tbh, it's D1, we need to go off of something, and you/Marsh are the best sources of information/highest chance of wolf in my eyes.

 

As for reasoning, I already posted about it a bit in my catch up, but you're very defensive, your manner of speech fluctuates a lot, and you lack the same confident arrogance you had as town in our previous game. I'd also accept a Marsh lynch fwiw, I don't feel particularly strongly one way or the other between you two, but I like having some options atm.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:13 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I'm crushed. You left me off.

with Rand 

 

 

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I knew I forgot someone ~~unimportant~~ Semi important. Probably got you and Ithi mixed up, last names and all.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:21 PM, DPR said:

Just noting that this is a huge shift from how you came into the game. I’ll have to reread to see if it looks like you’ve been coached, but that’s a possibility in my mind atm. 
 

The rest of this post sounds like blah blah blah to me, but the bold stuck out:

 

I was quite specific as to what I didn’t like about Rand’s post. I said that I found it funny that he said he was catching up, but already had Nyn sized up. He followed it up with a vote. 
 

I did ask Nyn if she felt he was joking. She said she was fine with his vote and he later unvoted and said it was a joke, so I’m off it. 
 

But you saying it felt manufactured is weird to me as I gave a reason, asked around and left it after the whole of it seems to have been explained. Why say that? 

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The initial reason felt manufactured.

Rand's post looked like a joke. It felt like a joke. He took it off like a joke. I got the impression that Nyn felt it was a joke. 

 

Would you prefer if I said it seemed like you made much ado about nothing?

[keyholder21]

  On 4/20/2025 at 9:08 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I wanted to reply to this last part. I kinda felt like that in the past but it is a bad mindset in my opinion. If your town, you should fight tooth and nail to stay alive. Look for things that can clear you, try to punch holes in the case against you, hunt harder and make a case against someone you think is mafia. At the worst you might lead to a mafia lynch after you are dead. 

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Although, once you are dead people stop listening to you, so lololololol. 

 

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Now, this looks more like town Turin to me.  Wolf!Turin def has the skills to push for a lynch on IE re: this mindset, especially with all the other heat IE has been getting.

 

  On 4/20/2025 at 9:13 PM, Ironeyes said:

 

These are both accurate and good qualifiers to my core position. They modify the central analysis for me, though, they don't replace it 

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So your analysis now is??

 

  On 4/20/2025 at 9:49 PM, DPR said:

Here’s my thoughts on a WTL list so far: 

 

@Tigraine has the scummiest post imo with her fly-by. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade attracted the most attention so far with some less-than-subtle posts. He seems to have calmed down, which makes it worse and my overwhelming sense is that he’s nervous. 
 

@Ironeyes did feel like he was defending Heavy a bit. 
 

@ed2funy also posted that he suspects Heavy was a fox and not a wolf. 
 

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My nullish list:

 

@Turin Turambar is much more calm than last game. Could be a number of things. Needs watching. 
 

@Verbal32 is slanking as per his usual. Needs more heat than he got last game.

 

@Lenlo is a no-show so far. 
 

@RandA lThor I didn’t love his posts about Nyn. We need to see more from this slot. 
 

@dicetosser1 Spammy but I don’t hate his tone so far. I’m not a fan of the non-game stuff in the game thread but it’s not the end of the world. 
 

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My town core so far: 

 

@keyholder21 I’m seeing effort and thoughtful, game-solving oriented posts so far. 
 

@Ithillian Turambar Seems a little nervous, but overall solvish oriented posts. 
 

@Nynaeve Active and investigative. Very solvish oriented. 
 

 

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Agreed on much of this, but not sure I agree on ed or rand.  Ed seems more null to me so far?  I honestly can't remember much that he's done outside that fox/wolf post. Although, tbf, maybe that should be concerning to me lol. I did think that post was confusing in what he was calling Heavy, but it didn't ping me that hard.  (Left that for you Verb).  Why does that make him firm scum for you?

 

Re: Rand, I find him sus.  He seems nervous as hell about his joke vote and then offers a post saying basically nothing re: his reads and then bounces again. It's weird to me that you have him null.

 

I didn't get nervous from Ithi - what makes her nervous to you?  I do see town solving from her though.

 

  On 4/20/2025 at 11:56 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Presently reading Crossroads of Twilight,  lolololololol 

 

This game???

 

Town to.not so.much

Me: I'm town

Nyn: looking at the right things and just feels town

Ithi: very attention to detail and willing to jump at what she sees. Willing to admit errors. My memory is MAFIA!Ithi just plows along .

 

 

Key: Asking questions, seems to be focused, but I have tinfoil.

 

Lenlo: nothing of note

Tigraine: nothing of note. The single post meant nothing to me.

 

Rand: posted a bit saying nothing. Might mean something,  might mean nothing.

Verb: spanking Verb is slanking

DPR: bad feeling. Tis late here but I will try to flesh it out for you in the morning 

 

Heavy: his initial posts felt "fake". like he was trying to sound like his previous games, but wasn't.  

Ed: seemed to be nudging at Heavy but waffling. I thought it potentially day 1 distancing from a teammate. 

Ironeyes: He says he didn't but I think he did defend Heavy by giving himself (and thus Heavy) an out

Dice: Anti-town behaviour of lynching for lols. It seems hypocritical from someone who rails against his meme of being lynched while asleep. He engaged in anti Town behaviour last game and was mafia. 

 

Currently willing to lynch from Lenlo on down. 

 

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What's your tinfoil?  Maybe I can help lol.

 

Agreed again with most, but why are you willing to lynch someone who hasn't even shown up?  Like, I get slanking is scummy, but not even been here at all?? Feels anti-town since we don't have anything to gauge the slot. 

 

I'll look for your post on DPR.  My feeling is null atm.

 

I also disagree on Rand and Ed as said above. With dice, that's fair, re: behavior last game. I felt like the joke vote was par for the course with dice, but now I didn't like a few things in his post below.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

lol is for lols I don’t need to deflect anything as I could have just not done it in the first place.

nope not serious. Said as much

 

not unless you’re scum.

 

yes I know other people have responded but this is literally what my response was going to be

 

”have you read anything I do with this game? Including the sign ups”

 

that’s gonna be me if people keep calling me diceypoo in any form

 

seriously. DONT.
 

why?

 

am I the only one finding this post to really say nothing?

names the more visible players then says scum is split between them and the quiet ones.

 

is this sposed to be a revelation?

 

then names three people from the first group to have scum in it yet he’s not even been here?

 

and everything seems to be double backed 

 

ithis post has gems “one way or another”

 

less chance that all of three people are town

 

then there the nyn thing.  Above I asked him why

 

nyns responses made me think it’s a joke

 

then he voted.  Then he invited. But the only time he mentions her here is to list her in the first group?

I can read and I was in all of heavy’s games that ithi modded so knew what he was talking about

It’s still Tiffy Time tho!!

 

and Heyman!!! OMG! 🤯

re the heavy thing I’ve played every game heavy has. So has Turin.  With his little bit about never getting lynched I figure I’ve got. Licence to play with him a bit

 

as for you?  Considering I’ve had you town from like your first or second post? I don’t need to distance from you. I just haven’t interacted much yet.

 

and let’s be honest…. If I was all gooey and love ya nyn! You’d lynch me.

so you DID read the signups then.

 

tell me now if your gonna start this town testing crap so I can save myself the blow up and start ignoring you now.

Be clear you pull that on me in ANY game and I will not play along no matter what my alignment.

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First bold - this is a weird inclusion.  Feels defensive. 

 

Second bold - why would her being scum make her sad about you??

 

I do agree with the italics about Rand's post 

 

Third bold - not interacting IS distancing?? And, imo, if you feel like someone is town, why not interact with them?  Especially questions they are asking or information they are providing.

 

last bold - I feel like this is a misrep of Turin. I don't see any town testing from him?

 

I keep getting interrupted, stupid term papers. -.- It's taken me almost two hours to post this!

[Tigraine]

Okay! I've made it to page 8 in my catching up...a couple of things first

I hate holiday but my kids love them so yeah I spent most of Saturday and all day yesterday doing the giant bunny crap. Then last night learned there was a threat made to one of the schools my kids go to so I've been dealing with that today.

 

Also, it's been a minute since I've done this and as I go through every page marking crap down, using a spreadsheet, and summarizing each page so I don't spend forever searching for one specific post.  Once upon a time, I had a desktop computer which I used for mafia games, now I'm using a phone so it has slowed the process considerably.

 

 

Anyway, even know I've only made it halfway through, I'm seeing all the shade being thrown at me...some of which is kinda shady as people failed to mention someone that hadn't checked in yet and someone else that had only popped in for a minute.  

 

I wouldn't have thought much about the shade being thrown my way had others not been excluded for the same behavior and honestly DPR, I know you can do better for a day 1 bandwagon lynch.

 

I'll be posting each part separately as well as my overall view to that point.  Be patient. 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:20 PM, Tigraine said:

Also, it's been a minute since I've done this and as I go through every page marking crap down, using a spreadsheet, and summarizing each page so I don't spend forever searching for one specific post.  Once upon a time, I had a desktop computer which I used for mafia games, now I'm using a phone so it has slowed the process considerably.

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That is a heck lot of work.

[Tigraine]

Summary Pages 1-3

 

Turin is poking at Heavy for saying there's a lot of early votes, asking questions to maybe dig a little deeper (or just stir a little).

 

Heavy is resisting getting pulled into anything serious, saying early actions aren't AI (Alignment Indicative) and that the early votes are just a lot, nothing more.

 

Ithi jumped in, asking what AI meant, leading to a little lingo explanation.

 

Nynaeve and Keyholder started asking about Heavy experience, teasing them a bit because they seemed more seasoned based on how they talked but actually have only played two games.

 

General vibe: playful, a little teasing, a lot of nostalgia since it seems like some of the players are old friends from previous games.

 

 

No one is seriously scumhunting yet. It’s mostly people re-establishing bonds, feeling out who’s who, and setting the stage for more serious play later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tigraine]

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:25 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

That is a heck lot of work.

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Indeed lol

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:16 PM, Lenlo said:

As for reasoning, I already posted about it a bit in my catch up, but you're very defensive, your manner of speech fluctuates a lot, and you lack the same confident arrogance you had as town in our previous game.

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I get your point in that we need to eliminate someone, but I don't quite agree with your nonchalance. Though I obviously am in agreement that there is no one that is stand out acting like a wolf though. 

 

I am interested in your claim that my flip will tell anyone anything. In the counterfactual world where I flip mafia, everyone can say yeah, you could see it in his inconsistent tone. First time wolf, couldn't cope. What else would it tell you? And in this world where I flip town, everyone will see, hmm, his tone didn't mean he was mafia. And what else? So far as I can see my flip either way implicates no one and clears no one so pushing for my elimination is purely about me and nothing about anyone else. 

 

In my view of course. 

 

Whereas someone wanting to start trains on the lowest hanging fruit without really caring if they are mafia or not seems a tiny bit wolfy. 

 

But you are definitely right there are scarce pickings at the moment, but I cannot help but feel you are overplayjng the information from the flip argument. 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:19 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Now, this looks more like town Turin to me.  Wolf!Turin def has the skills to push for a lynch on IE re: this mindset, especially with all the other heat IE has been getting.

 

 

So your analysis now is??

 

 

Agreed on much of this, but not sure I agree on ed or rand.  Ed seems more null to me so far?  I honestly can't remember much that he's done outside that fox/wolf post. Although, tbf, maybe that should be concerning to me lol. I did think that post was confusing in what he was calling Heavy, but it didn't ping me that hard.  (Left that for you Verb).  Why does that make him firm scum for you?

 

Re: Rand, I find him sus.  He seems nervous as hell about his joke vote and then offers a post saying basically nothing re: his reads and then bounces again. It's weird to me that you have him null.

 

I didn't get nervous from Ithi - what makes her nervous to you?  I do see town solving from her though.

 

 

What's your tinfoil?  Maybe I can help lol.

 

Agreed again with most, but why are you willing to lynch someone who hasn't even shown up?  Like, I get slanking is scummy, but not even been here at all?? Feels anti-town since we don't have anything to gauge the slot. 

 

I'll look for your post on DPR.  My feeling is null atm.

 

I also disagree on Rand and Ed as said above. With dice, that's fair, re: behavior last game. I felt like the joke vote was par for the course with dice, but now I didn't like a few things in his post below.

 

 

First bold - this is a weird inclusion.  Feels defensive. 

 

Second bold - why would her being scum make her sad about you??

 

I do agree with the italics about Rand's post 

 

Third bold - not interacting IS distancing?? And, imo, if you feel like someone is town, why not interact with them?  Especially questions they are asking or information they are providing.

 

last bold - I feel like this is a misrep of Turin. I don't see any town testing from him?

 

I keep getting interrupted, stupid term papers. -.- It's taken me almost two hours to post this!

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My tinfoil is primarily that I felt you were not quite defending Dice but doing a thing where it seemed like you were looking to put holes in the case or mitigate. It just felt weird. It's only tinfoil  because it could be legitimately just questioning  to make sure you understand. Like a talk me through it. I still think you are most likely town but I'm slightly troubled. 

 

I'm willing to lynch pretty much anyone I'm not convinced is town. The inactive folks haven't shown they are town yet. They still have some time. Laen has posted some and I think I saw Tigraine post something I haven't read yet. There is room to change. 

 

Did I forget anything?

[Tigraine]

Summary page 4

Playful chaos is continuing, with a real shift now into some actual early suspicion, especially between Heavy, Ithi, Ed, and a bit of Ironeyes and DPR.

 

 

Main Dynamics:

 

 

Ironeyes — Clarifies he’s not actually a lawyer. His tone is defensive but in a joking way. Heavy and Ed both pick at him for it.

 

Early Vote Movement:

 

dice early-votes Iron (playful reason).

 

Ithi votes Heavy — says Heavy is "saying confusing things without saying anything" and "doesn’t feel right."

 

Gonna have to agree. Never interacted with him before so not sure if its out of character...gonna keep my eye on him.

 

 

Heavy — gets very defensive when voted. Argues back at Ithi, calls the vote "weak sauce," throws shade around in a semi-aggressive tone. Suggests the voters are wolfy themselves. Says he's "never been a wolf" and that the bandwagoners should "out themselves."

 

ed — leans into the confusion humor, lightly poking both Heavy and Ironeyes. Very spammy and chaotic.

 

Ed is always scummy though, even when he isn't scum so....(???)

 

DPR — points out that there’s probably at least one wolf among Iron, Heavy, and Ed — plants an early “wolf grouping” seed.

 

Nynaeve — pushes back on Iron, questioning why he only responded to the part of DPR’s post that mentioned him and not Ed.

 

Heavy vs Ithi mini-fight — Heated but still with jokes layered in.

 

 

 

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Tone Shifts:

 

Less pure spam, more early reads and shade-throwing.

 

The confusion about lawyer jokes turned into real light suspicion.

 

Heavy is starting to come under real pressure.

 

 

 

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Early Observations:

 

Heavy’s reaction to Ithi’s pressure is emotional and defensive, which often (but not always) leans wolfy.

 

Ithi’s case is super light ("you're confusing"), but the push is clear.

 

Ed stays very jokey — suspicious if you believe wolves try to hide early.

 

DPR planting a group suspicion early is notable, could be either good townie instincts or wolf opportunism.

 

Iron feels a bit overwhelmed but in a natural way.

 

 

 

General Feel:

The vibe is moving toward a messy "wolf or just chaotic town?" puzzle around Heavy, Ed, and Iron.

Some serious threads of suspicion are starting, but there’s still a ton of jokey clutter.

 

 

 

[keyholder21]

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:12 AM, dicetosser1 said:

Vote rand

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I don't hate it, but it also feels kinda weird since you didn't really discuss anyone else much? 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:22 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

I was making a joke towards him, but there's a little bit of truth in it.  Read his posts - see for yourself.

 

I'm just gonna say I read this very differently.  Giggity.

 

I was going to post about how it's the weekend and this shouldn't be anything new......but I'm going to go with "I hate your face."

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Super helpful. 😒

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 12:34 AM, Verbal32 said:

So I'm caught up, but honestly not really stoked to have begun the real D1 already.  I'm stuffed from eating too much, and now DPR want to feed me but has withheld the candy.

 

My life is a lie.

 

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DL is like one day away from this post.  When would be a good time for you to start real D1?

 

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It's the cake, the cake is a lie.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:05 AM, ed2funy said:

but also don’t be a baby. Like, don’t yell at people, and try to make a case before you go. I tend to read exaggerations as an act.

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How do you know the response is an exaggeration??  Imo, it depends on how the passion comes out. How about your reads list?

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:07 AM, ed2funy said:

they never add themselves to the town list. Hmmm

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Sus.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:12 AM, ed2funy said:

Not in that post. I was saying a fox awoos too. So I was wondering if he was overwhelmed town, but I also lean toward dramatics being AI. So basically idk lmao 

as DPE so rudely put it, I’m rusty 

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Okay, so what are you reads now then?

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:17 AM, ed2funy said:

 Prioritizing family over a game? Scum move 

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😛

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:34 AM, ed2funy said:

Since WHEN?!

 

ihaven’t even started a notepad so you’ll have to wait until I start that. 

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How about now??

[Turin Turambar]

I do think it would br good to get reads and reasons from everyone that hasn't provided them as yet. 

 

We do need to get some sort of consensus towards lynching as DL is not that far away and many people won't be available at official DL

[Lenlo]

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:27 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I am interested in your claim that my flip will tell anyone anything. In the counterfactual world where I flip mafia, everyone can say yeah, you could see it in his inconsistent tone. First time wolf, couldn't cope. What else would it tell you?

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Gonna be honest, you only seem to pick up a thesaurus when you're pressured, and at times it comes off like you're trying to overwhelm/confuse people so they focus on the words rather than what you're actually saying with them. 

 

As for the world you flip wolf, it really doesnt matter if we dont get information from it, we caught a wolf. That alone is worth the price of entry, anything else is a bonus. So this idea we get no information from you flipping wolf is kind of irrelevant, we would have caught a wolf.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:27 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

And in this world where I flip town, everyone will see, hmm, his tone didn't mean he was mafia. And what else? So far as I can see my flip either way implicates no one and clears no one so pushing for my elimination is purely about me and nothing about anyone else. 

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I disagree, you've interacted with most of the game, if you dont think we can glean information from that then you either aren't paying attention or are trying to frame yourself as not worth being lynched to avoid it. Which I get, I've done it myself multiple times, to great success I might add.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:27 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

Whereas someone wanting to start trains on the lowest hanging fruit without really caring if they are mafia or not seems a tiny bit wolfy. 

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See, this reads to me like you're trying to get me to back off by threatening me/implying I'm a wolf rather than providing a better alternative/hunting wolves yourself. This is like "If you continue to vote me, I will push you as a wolf, do you really want that attention/heat?" Surely you can see why this doesnt make me want to stop voting you.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 3:27 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

But you are definitely right there are scarce pickings at the moment, but I cannot help but feel you are overplayjng the information from the flip argument. 

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It's day 1, light reads and flip info is all we have to go on. You say I'm "overplaying it", bro I have like 3 posts on the subject. Want me to move? Go hunt/case a wolf and give me a good reason to. Because whether you intend it or not, your methods of defending yourself is sketchy.