Wheel of Time Season 3 - Full Season Discussion

[Jaysen Gore]

So based on what has been said above and shown so far, here's my villain take...all speculation

The men are fairly straight forward

I think Sammael is in Tear, taking Be'lal's place, and will be destroyed at the end of next season when Rand takes the Stone

I think Asmodean shows up in the next couple of episodes and lasts a couple of seasons when an unknown assailant kills him in Tear (maybe after he takes Moraine's place in the little girl scene) sometime in season 5

I think Season 5 ends with Dumai's Wells, with the Black Tower but without Forsaken involvement

I think Rahvin meets his end in season 6 in Camelyn - this and the Wells could be swapped in timing

I think Taim is replacing Demandred, and the Black Tower is replacing the Sharans in the Last Battle. They were a WTF did they come from moment in the books and would be the worst kind of cheat in the series

 

On the Women, I'm less sure, but one of them is with the Tower, and one is with the Seanchan

I am not 100% sure of the timing because i don't know if the vision with Latra giving the Sarkanen to Rand was pre / post sealing, but there's a possibility the black lady with her was Semhirage. 

I expect Moggy's plotlines will remain mostly unchanged

For Lanfear, see below; either she's almost the same, or ....

 

Looking at what I put forward when I broke this down when the series was announced, I'm down to about 4 important plotlines I'm not sure if we're going to get:

- Morgase, Tallanvor, Lini and the escape from Rhavin

- Siuan, Leane, Logain and their trip to Salidar

- The tower of Genji and what drives it

- Galad and the Whitecloaks

 

There are easy opportunities to cut off (if you'll pardon the pun) those plotlines over the next season or so.

 

I think we're losing Illian, Berelain, the Red Veils, Shara, and Far Madding completely, and the other important ones (Salidar politics, the Menagerie, the kidnapping) will get pared down to a reasonable length

[DigificWriter]

Lews sealed away the Forsaken before The Dark One corrupted Saidin, and Latra gave the Sakarnen to Rhodric during the Breaking of the World.

[Samt]

If Sammael is replacing Bel’al and just straight up only really doing Bel’al things, what was the point of naming him Sammael? Someone just thinks the name sounds cooler?
 

Bel’al was probably the most vanilla of the forsaken, but if you want to include his plot points you should just include him.

[Elder_Haman]

  On 3/22/2025 at 4:03 PM, Samt said:

Someone just thinks the name sounds cooler?

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Probably. They wouldn’t be wrong. 

[Samt]

  On 3/22/2025 at 5:18 PM, Elder_Haman said:

Probably. They wouldn’t be wrong. 

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Sammael probably also has more consistent pronunciation among book readers.  I bet we don’t all say Be’lal the same, especially considering it’s never really been clear what was intended by the apostrophes.  

[Sabio]

If they want to get to season six I think they will need to speed up the pace of the new seasons.  It seems around a year and a half between seasons, so at that pace it's 4 1/2  years till season six hits.  

 

I am a bit concerned with Amazon delaying announcing if season 4 is being picked up.  Sort of seems like if season 3 doesn't deliver the numbers they want then 4 might not happen.

Edited Saturday at 07:47 PM by Sabio

[DigificWriter]

@Sabio I said this earlier, but according to Jon from WoT Up, it isn't Amazon that's holding up an S4 renewal, it's Sony Pictures Television.

[A Memory Of Why]

Earlier i read someone suggesting Taim could be Demondred reborn, which could be an interesting direction.

[Scarloc99]

I really hope Taim is not an existing dreadlord, mainly because I do like the idea of his arc being to become a new dreadlord it shows how petty jealousy can be turned on it's head to make someone as powerful as Taim turn to the Darklord and make a pact to become one of the Forsaken. 

[Scarloc99]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:14 AM, Sabio said:

A few questions.

 

What happened to Thom and I know I've tried to purge the last episode of Season 2 from my memory but what happened to Mat's dagger?  Finally does anyone else find it odd Mat was allowed to keep the horn and so casually walk about with it.  Moiriane allowed that?   It took someone that long to tell Mat to stop it?

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Thom in the books is periphery really until book 3/4 so I can see him being pulled back into the Tanchico arc. Meeting Elayne and trying to protect her alongside Matt. I do wonder if Matt will be transported from the red door to somewhere else in the world when that happens? 

Mat's dagger I am assuming is in Aes Sedai hands (they are not going to let him keep that), the fact that we saw him hanging in front of red doors suggests he may still get his spear, amulet, and then memories all put back possibly they merge the 2 doorways into 1. 

Finally, Matt with the Horn was comic relief, and fits in perfectly with his character. He is taking advantage of it while he has it, until the reality sets in and he hands it over. I had no issues with this. 
 

[Scarloc99]

  On 3/21/2025 at 7:22 AM, Figs and Mice said:

Bit of a low bar to clear 🙂   But yes , I do reckon it is picking up a lot - despite , as DreadLord31 said above , having plenty of details we book purists can nit pick if we wish.  So the only things I would really nit pick about the first three episodes are : the Morgase out-of-character brutality on her ascension to the throne (I presume that was intended to be actual history and not Gaebril messing with our memories !)  ; and the rather unnecessarily violent arrival of the Blacks into Tanchico : both strike me as "shock spectacles" which make little sense and add nothing to the plot...

 

For all they are shuffling the order of events about , they do seem to be moving closer to the main book themes. The dark characters are all good (getting more prominence than they did on the page , which is fine). It has meant Liandrin and Lanfear have arguably taken a lot of the focus off our heroes so far but again that is OK as long as they handle all the main arcs properly over succeeding episodes. And liking Faile's arrival (Mandarb joke and all )

 

But I am still missing Thom  !

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We never saw the Blacks arrive, only the aftermath, which was pretty horrific (if you read between the Robert Jordan sanitised version). But, I am liking the fact that we are seeing a reason for why people turn to the dark lord which is more then just simply "they are evil". One of my issues in the books is that there is very little nuance in the bad guys. The forsaken where generally all either already cruel, or jealous very one dimensional in many ways. We are at least seeing Liandrin have more depth, a reason to be who she is while not taking away how she is still evil and cruel. 

The others seemed to revel in killing, being able to finally be who they are. I really did like this scene, especially given we know there excess and sense of superiority will soon be seriously curtailed by one even worse then them. 

[Turin Turambar]

It came up in the e4 thread about soul gendering. Part of it asked about "what if it was Saidar that got tainted?" Do you think that if men were the only ones able to channel they would be more likely to assume control of nations like we see the Forsaken do once they are freed?