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i have to say, every single concern expressed here make sense taken individually, but when taken all together, the amount of negativity in this board is staggering.

so what we learned so far by reading posts

- wot will fail because the director is incompetent

- wot will fail because the director has no respect for the source

- wot will fail because the items don't fit the descriptions enough

- wot will fail because they will change the plot

- wot will fail because they will not change the plot

- wot will fail because of bad release date

- wot will fail because of bad advertising

- wot will fail because of insufficient budget

- wot will fail because competitors are stronger

- wot will fail because covid will end and then nobody will ever stay indoor anymore

- wot will fail because it was not popular enough

- wot will fail because amazon is not popular enough

 

considering there are only a handful of posts every day, it's surprising so many of those concerns have even managed to be expressed in so little space. wow.

since we're here we may as well add

- wot will fail because of the global financial recession: people won't be able to afford entertainment anymore

- wot will fail because of new wave of conservativism: they will forbid anything that's not the bible

- wot will fail because of the third world war

- wot will fail because of the second american civil war

- wot will fail because all the actors will die in filming accidents due to performing their own stunts

- wot will fail because aliens will kidnap the actors

 

I guess some people are getting very anxious and are venting their worry here.

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The Lord Of The Rings is the benchmark for a viewing experience from start to finish. If the WOT show can do that through the seasons, it will at most equal it as a watch. Because, then it b

You don't do this already? 😉  

If the show never reaches the end of the story, that would be hard to think of as 'successful'... but that is so many years off, it barely merits worrying about consideration at this point.  

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@king of nowhere that's funny! but there's also some voices for success too.

 

So ... let's try to make and add to a list of why we might think that WoT will succeed (I hope!)

 

- Amazon has a PILE of $$$ and is looking to make the next GoT.

-Brandon Sanderson praised Rafe and didn't have to do that. Plus he's a good guy who wouldn't lie. 

-A bunch of people do have Amazon Prime because they want that free shipping = big potential audience (I know I'm in that boat- otherwise I would have to agree with @Beidomon that I would keep pretty much all of the other services over Prime Video). But since people have Prime, if word gets out, the show could be HUUUGE.

 

And some new ones:

- The show had a pretty decent budget and has some star-quality actors.

- Let's face it, we live in the streaming era and if something is good - people are gonna binge it - and word will spread. 

-WoT has a pretty decent size fan-base because of the popularity of the books.

- Out of the hands that WoT could have been in (Sci-Fy channel, CW, what else??), Amazon isn't so bad.

- It's been greenlit for a second season (that's a good sign right?!).

 

Anybody have some other + reasons?

(as much as you are poking fun of us @king of nowhere)  - the fans of the fantasy genre are batting well below 50% for good tv adaptations of their beloved novels - but hey, in baseball that's the Major league!

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Most, if not all, of my negativity disappears with a firm release date. The rest I can judge after seeing it. I still have very high hopes that I’ll love the show despite any known and speculated changes. 

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10 hours ago, DojoToad said:

Most, if not all, of my negativity disappears with a firm release date. The rest I can judge after seeing it. I still have very high hopes that I’ll love the show despite any known and speculated changes. 

 

I think I'd be pretty happy with a trailer; I find it really hard to believe it's coming out this year when there's been virtually no promotion to the wider public. If we could get a trailer say - during the NBA Finals. Oh, glorious that would be!

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On 6/10/2021 at 5:58 PM, Beidomon said:


Nope, never heard of any of those shows except for Good Omens, and that was because I had already read the Gaiman book and happened to see the ad for the show on Amazon. 
 

Again, I don’t care what Amazon’s misleading numbers suggest - I’m pretty sure Disney+ is kicking the crap out of Prime because of their Star Wars, Marvel, and Disney catalogs. Amazon’s numbers are almost surely massively inflated by the free shipping crowd. 

 

I've had Prime shipping for years but did not activate the streaming service until I heard about WoT. Not sure what you mean by "Amazon's misleading numbers" but I'd imagine they distinguish between their Prime members and the folks utilizing the streaming service ... not one and the same.

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On 6/10/2021 at 6:29 PM, Wolfbrother31 said:

@king of nowhere that's funny! but there's also some voices for success too.

 

So ... let's try to make and add to a list of why we might think that WoT will succeed (I hope!)

 

- Amazon has a PILE of $$$ and is looking to make the next GoT.

-Brandon Sanderson praised Rafe and didn't have to do that. Plus he's a good guy who wouldn't lie. 

-A bunch of people do have Amazon Prime because they want that free shipping = big potential audience (I know I'm in that boat- otherwise I would have to agree with @Beidomon that I would keep pretty much all of the other services over Prime Video). But since people have Prime, if word gets out, the show could be HUUUGE.

 

And some new ones:

- The show had a pretty decent budget and has some star-quality actors.

- Let's face it, we live in the streaming era and if something is good - people are gonna binge it - and word will spread. 

-WoT has a pretty decent size fan-base because of the popularity of the books.

- Out of the hands that WoT could have been in (Sci-Fy channel, CW, what else??), Amazon isn't so bad.

- It's been greenlit for a second season (that's a good sign right?!).

 

Anybody have some other + reasons?

(as much as you are poking fun of us @king of nowhere)  - the fans of the fantasy genre are batting well below 50% for good tv adaptations of their beloved novels - but hey, in baseball that's the Major league!

It seems a lot of a shows success can come down to some luck. (Timing and what the public is hungry for at the time.)  I think the things that can be done other than luck ARE being done to give it a good chance of success:

-using a real fan with good experience as the show runner. 
-using Brandon Sanderson as a consultant

-employing a book series super fan Sarah N. as a consultant

-going all out with sets and props and costuming

-having the whole of the source material to adapt and foreshadow and streamline, rather than being left to invent their own a la Game of Thrones. 
-having a very generous budget

-having high quality actors

-being not TOO late to the genre (I would feel more nervous about a new superhero property (like Jupiter’s Legacy), it seems there may be some superhero fatigue

-going big out of the gate. I feel that going low budget could have hamstrung this property before it got going, but with the big effort and big budget are certain expectations. 


Although none of the above guarantee success obviously, they are all giving it a good chance to succeed (or as good a chance as it can have). My questions are: how real and organic will it feel? How well will they get the character arcs and nuances and motivations? I hope it is all about the characters and I think it will be. Will the things beyond their control line up? (Pandemic, other releases, etc). 
 

such a huge undertaking has a lot of places to go wrong, and a lot has to come together for a mega hit. But so far it certainly looks like it has a reasonable chance!

 

 

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