Jurassic World [Basic Mafia]

[Kaylee]

1 hour ago, Darthe said:

I don't like making this argument but @cory if Zander is a wolf why wouldn't he drop this rn and just NK you?  

 

I was wondering the same. GET OUT OF MY HEAD! 

 

1 hour ago, Darthe said:

So DPR took a step back the last couple pages and I wanna say thats positive, but really he had to because the AJ/Dice thing he was going for wasn't working.  It's a bit of self preservation on his part, but I wonder if his reads are changing or if it's just because rn he feels that it's pointless.  Either way, I'm liking watching him talk to Cory and I think that his wolf equity is moderate.  Still on Hally atm though, she should've been here by now.  

 

She has been. Posted once or twice. 

 

54 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

DamniT if Socio is a Wolf Im gonna be super impressed.

 

Also agreed. 

[keyholder21]

Vote Count 2.6

 

Hally: Dice, Darthe, Cory

DPR: AJ, Socio

AJ: DPR

Dice: Hally, Kaylee

 

Not Voting (1/9): Zander 

 

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch <3

 

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[Darthe]

43 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Whose your 3rd Wolf?

That's gonna be really rough for me.  My options are

 

AJ

Dice

You

Socio

 

IIrc.  I'd argue that it's you or dice with where I currently am, but you're making it hard and dice getting d1 double bussed (assuming Hally+DPR) makes that tough too.  

 

If I had to vig someone you'd be it.

[Darthe]

Like if dice is a wolf do they not just concede at the end of today?

[Zander?]

21 minutes ago, Hallia said:

Prove it, provide a link bc I haven't seen any

I believe it, and I'm on my phone with my family so no I don't

 

 

You're below Kay, Cory, aj, derf and dpr but above socio and dice

 

You say I didnt ask you anything and then you wont look...ok...

 

Explain how I dropped below DPR for you and what in particular do you like about him specifically?

[Andrej]

4 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Like if dice is a wolf do they not just concede at the end of today?

 

DM wolves don’t concede. We’re a stubborn folk

[Zander?]

8 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

Vote Count 2.6

 

Hally: Dice, Darthe, Cory

DPR: Cory, AJ, Socio

AJ: DPR

Dice: Hally, Kaylee

 

Not Voting: everybody is voting!

 

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch <3

 

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@DPR AJ's not getting lynched today.

 

Quite sure its gonna be between Hallia/Dice

 

Who do you vote there and why?

[Zander?]

7 minutes ago, Darthe said:

That's gonna be really rough for me.  My options are

 

AJ

Dice

You

Socio

 

IIrc.  I'd argue that it's you or dice with where I currently am, but you're making it hard and dice getting d1 double bussed (assuming Hally+DPR) makes that tough too.  

 

If I had to vig someone you'd be it.

 

Youd vig me just for the lol's

[TheSociopath]

30 minutes ago, Andrej said:

Can you walk me through this one again?

 

Bolds are quotes.

 

So, earlier in the game, Cory said this of DPR's scum games: 

"In those games he avoided suspicion mostly because A) he dropped by to make enough salient points to keep people from really looking at him B) he's pretty charming/charismatic and personality means a lot in a game that's heavy on social dynamics and C) when push comes to shove he will defend himself well."

This jives really well with what other people have said of him and what I saw in Ragnarok.
keep that quote in mind, please

So, I said this:
The same reasons dice had a wagon d1, and that DPR hasn't really answered any of the pressure people have put on him.

He responded with this:
This gets a little complicated *pats the seat next to me on the bench*

You see, a lot of this game has to do with seeing how people react to certain things and sometimes pressure isn't really pressure, per say.  On the surface, it would appear that we are a group gathered together for the purpose of finding teh scum - and you will have noticed the lengths that folks go to to "show" others that they are part of this wholesome and dedicated group. But evil lurks among us, and sometimes it's easy to overlook that for as much as the Town is trying to solve, the Mafia is also trying to misdirect and confuse.

The trick is to ignore when people are reaction testing or just nudging you to see what you will do, but to also make note of when people are trying to paint you in a certain light. 

Say, for instance, you just finished a game where you were scum and now everybody is spooked - happens to everybody. It's easy for scum to point fingers at you when that last round is so fresh in everybody's mind. 

Some folks, especially those that consider themselves to be skilled players, may take particular offense at being fooled and that might carry for several games after. Just how it is. These players are sometimes easy to manipulate because when you point the finger at the person that just rolled them, you are telling them what they want to hear. If scum, they may also be the first to use your past game against you. 

So the trick is to separate the games, separate speculation from fact and to try and spot people that are using the "wrong" information to lead you to the conclusions they want you to accept.

In that light, there have been a number of people who have added "confusion" to this game. They depend heavily upon meta. They bring emo into the game. They do little to nothing to present plain evidence for the sake of analysis. In return, I don't worry too much about them trying to apply pressure. 

Let me know if all of that makes sense and hit me with any specific questions you have.    

 

Filtered down, we get:

You see, a lot of this game has to do with seeing how people react to certain things and sometimes pressure isn't really pressure, per say

The trick is to ignore when people are reaction testing or just nudging you to see what you will do, but to also make note of when people are trying to paint you in a certain light. 

So the trick is to separate the games, separate speculation from fact and to try and spot people that are using the "wrong" information to lead you to the conclusions they want you to accept.

 

In my translation of this, I get: It wasn't real pressure.

 

then, he spars with you about the multi-ball, your comments about 11 players, and how you're playing in relation to Cory. 

At a point in the middle of this, he says both of these:
We had this issue last game with EP - dude had a "theory" for everything and I exploited that to lay down cover all over the place. It makes it easier for scum.
Today, I've got you and Zander, and still dice. You are all my best guesses for scum. I've made my points - it is what it is

 

He's gunning for you on the basis of: you cluttered the thread a bit, Cory is secretly a grizzly bear, and as such you're wary of him, and you over explained. (DPR, I might be missing some points, but this is what I found in 45 and 46)
This does not seem like enough for a serious scum lean to me.

I'm drawing a paralel between his self-professed usage of EP's clutter and his current use of your clutter. 

 

Then, at the end of the discussion, DPR has said he'll go back for examples of AJ parroting Cory's reads, I think?

 

So from all of this, what I see is: "DPR still hasn't actually responded to any pressure, and his bead on AJ is kinda weak."
Now, admitedly, in my earlier post I was under the impression that your back-and-forth with DPR started as a result of my comment on him. I see now that this is wrong, but I still think that this is a valid push.

[Andrej]

15 minutes ago, TheSociopath said:

 

Bolds are quotes.

 

So, earlier in the game, Cory said this of DPR's scum games: 

"In those games he avoided suspicion mostly because A) he dropped by to make enough salient points to keep people from really looking at him B) he's pretty charming/charismatic and personality means a lot in a game that's heavy on social dynamics and C) when push comes to shove he will defend himself well."

This jives really well with what other people have said of him and what I saw in Ragnarok.
keep that quote in mind, please


So, I said this:
The same reasons dice had a wagon d1, and that DPR hasn't really answered any of the pressure people have put on him.

He responded with this:
This gets a little complicated *pats the seat next to me on the bench*


You see, a lot of this game has to do with seeing how people react to certain things and sometimes pressure isn't really pressure, per say.  On the surface, it would appear that we are a group gathered together for the purpose of finding teh scum - and you will have noticed the lengths that folks go to to "show" others that they are part of this wholesome and dedicated group. But evil lurks among us, and sometimes it's easy to overlook that for as much as the Town is trying to solve, the Mafia is also trying to misdirect and confuse.


The trick is to ignore when people are reaction testing or just nudging you to see what you will do, but to also make note of when people are trying to paint you in a certain light. 


Say, for instance, you just finished a game where you were scum and now everybody is spooked - happens to everybody. It's easy for scum to point fingers at you when that last round is so fresh in everybody's mind. 


Some folks, especially those that consider themselves to be skilled players, may take particular offense at being fooled and that might carry for several games after. Just how it is. These players are sometimes easy to manipulate because when you point the finger at the person that just rolled them, you are telling them what they want to hear. If scum, they may also be the first to use your past game against you. 


So the trick is to separate the games, separate speculation from fact and to try and spot people that are using the "wrong" information to lead you to the conclusions they want you to accept.


In that light, there have been a number of people who have added "confusion" to this game. They depend heavily upon meta. They bring emo into the game. They do little to nothing to present plain evidence for the sake of analysis. In return, I don't worry too much about them trying to apply pressure. 


Let me know if all of that makes sense and hit me with any specific questions you have.    

 

Filtered down, we get:


You see, a lot of this game has to do with seeing how people react to certain things and sometimes pressure isn't really pressure, per say


The trick is to ignore when people are reaction testing or just nudging you to see what you will do, but to also make note of when people are trying to paint you in a certain light. 


So the trick is to separate the games, separate speculation from fact and to try and spot people that are using the "wrong" information to lead you to the conclusions they want you to accept.

 

In my translation of this, I get: It wasn't real pressure.

 

then, he spars with you about the multi-ball, your comments about 11 players, and how you're playing in relation to Cory. 

At a point in the middle of this, he says both of these:
We had this issue last game with EP - dude had a "theory" for everything and I exploited that to lay down cover all over the place. It makes it easier for scum.
Today, I've got you and Zander, and still dice. You are all my best guesses for scum. I've made my points - it is what it is

 

He's gunning for you on the basis of: you cluttered the thread a bit, Cory is secretly a grizzly bear, and as such you're wary of him, and you over explained. (DPR, I might be missing some points, but this is what I found in 45 and 46)
This does not seem like enough for a serious scum lean to me.


I'm drawing a paralel between his self-professed usage of EP's clutter and his current use of your clutter. 

 

Then, at the end of the discussion, DPR has said he'll go back for examples of AJ parroting Cory's reads, I think?

 

So from all of this, what I see is: "DPR still hasn't actually responded to any pressure, and his bead on AJ is kinda weak."
Now, admitedly, in my earlier post I was under the impression that your back-and-forth with DPR started as a result of my comment on him. I see now that this is wrong, but I still think that this is a valid push.

 

[Andrej]

 

Idk why the entire thing went into the spoiler

[Darthe]

47 minutes ago, Hallia said:

Prove it, provide a link bc I haven't seen any

I believe it, and I'm on my phone with my family so no I don't

 

 

You're below Kay, Cory, aj, derf and dpr but above socio and dice

Hey I did t even notice you had posted!  

 

My question, and really everyone's it seems , is why DPR is on your town list?

[Darthe]

Not even gonna lie, I didn't read that big post from socio.  I'll just take your word that it's good.

[Hallia]

@Zanatron - it's almost like I just said I was on mobile while out with family ) so no, I can't exactly pour over every page.  If you wanna make a case, back it up with links, otherwise I'll call you out for lying or just laziness, your choice

 

You're less towny than dpr, who is engaging and cooperative imo 

[TheSociopath]

1 minute ago, Hallia said:

You're less towny than dpr, who is engaging and cooperative imo 

he was engaging and cooperative in Ragnarok too, I'd say

[Zander?]

17 minutes ago, Hallia said:

@Zanatron - it's almost like I just said I was on mobile while out with family ) so no, I can't exactly pour over every page.  If you wanna make a case, back it up with links, otherwise I'll call you out for lying or just laziness, your choice

 

You're less towny than dpr, who is engaging and cooperative imo 

 

Well you said i didn't asl you questions and i did so o should call you out for lying th3n too...lol

 

Im also on my mobile and it sucks. 

[Andrej]

31 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Not even gonna lie, I didn't read that big post from socio.  I'll just take your word that it's good.

 

You should.

 

Hopefully we can get this one to stick, he’s good.

[Andrej]

I’m at a point where I’m kinda ready to consolidate on somebody and get this thing moving along.

[Andrej]

After Ragnarok and another game I’m playing in that’s DL lynch, hammers are a blessing.

[Kaylee]

@Hallia Why is DPR so high for you? Why was he high D1?  

[dicetosser1]

3 hours ago, Darthe said:

I don't like making this argument but @cory if Zander is a wolf why wouldn't he drop this rn and just NK you?  

 

still catching up. dunno if corys answered this but i have an answer for you if u want it

[dicetosser1]

2 hours ago, Zanatron said:

 

Youd vig me just for the lol's

 

in a heartbeat.

[Cory Caboose]

15 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

still catching up. dunno if corys answered this but i have an answer for you if u want it

 

i want it

[Zander?]

4 minutes ago, Cory Caboose said:

 

i want it

 

Thats what she said!!!!

[Zander?]

30 minutes ago, Andrej said:

I’m at a point where I’m kinda ready to consolidate on somebody and get this thing moving along.

 

Im getting there too tbqh.