Cliché Mafia - Game Thread (GAME OVER - MAFIA WIN)

[LedZepMan]

 

I revealed to release my thought process on why Turin is scum.

I legitimately do not see the relevance of your reveal to your thought process.

 

I didn't let on to my suspicion of Turin last night because I thought if he was town scum would kill him and clear the slot for me. Good. That's a smart way to play night phases and if you're town cheers. And by the way I know scum didn't kill him because hard claim really valuable town role is what I'm getting from the rest of it though and I can't make sense of it.

 

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What's the added value that your claim adds to the situation vs the added value of you living to possibly catch a wolf N2? Did you weigh that?

I dont expect to make it to N2. Either I will be lynched, which is probably what's gonna happen, (I don't see me building a strong enough case against him to sway everyone else) but damn it I'm gonna go out swinging.

[LedZepMan]

 

 

LZM why did you claim?

It explained it in my half missing case.

 

Turin was of the popular opinion of top townie. I went along with it. I figure, hey, either he's town and scum will nk him, or he's scum and won't be targeted at all. Not much grey room but my brain don't work that way anyway.

 

So I viewed him, and no one targeted him. I've been playing controversial and he has been on me like white on rice all game.

 

Act 2: Killa is scum mate and I've been hard on her all game. Shad votes Zep and Shad is the nk. Perfect opportunity to throw doubt Zep away and try for him being the next lynch.

 

2+2 equals Turins A LLL

This is called pushing a narrative and is something that I do sometimes. Mostly when I am mafia. Sometimes when town and in a bit of a tunnel.

The bold sets the false conditions: Since I was being town read by many I was a shoe in to be killed on N1. This is inherently false. Mafia will kill who they want to. for whatever reasons they decide is important. They might have been cop hunting. They might have thought Shad was more on the correct path or would get there better than I would. I do tend to get distracted. I can get into a tunnel. the point is it isn't black or white and you saying that if I wasn't killed then it must mean I'm mafia is not logical.

 

The italics are your information. It might be correct. in might not. Lets say it is. all it means is I wasn't targeted last night. I am a bit surprised tbh as I can be a bit of a night action magnet.

 

The underlined is irrevelant. You really want to say that because I was suspicious of you when you were self admittedly playing "controversially" that makes ME mafia? Sorry but try again.

 

 

Finally the BIG RED SMOKING GUN: hOW DO YOU KNOW THAT SHAD WAS THE MAFIA KILL???

 

Thanks for playing

Your bolded, I played controversial because a: we had no dialogue whatsoever, and b: cuz the game is played differently now, so I'm adapting.

 

I know my case is weak. You are good at evasion and illusion. You cover your posts with enough doubt to be seen as clean.

 

The main thing I don't like from you is you have been leading this entire game. I have never once seen somebody do that as town.

 

My vote stays on you till EoD

[LedZepMan]

I'm sorry you don't see the relevance Shad. It makes sense in my brain.

[LedZepMan]

And I hard claimed a mediocre role. Not an important one. Dice and cop are way more important than i

[LedZepMan]

Not dice, doc

[LedZepMan]

Even though 1 and the same this go around

[Shad_]

 

 

I revealed to release my thought process on why Turin is scum.

I legitimately do not see the relevance of your reveal to your thought process.

 

I didn't let on to my suspicion of Turin last night because I thought if he was town scum would kill him and clear the slot for me. Good. That's a smart way to play night phases and if you're town cheers. And by the way I know scum didn't kill him because hard claim really valuable town role is what I'm getting from the rest of it though and I can't make sense of it.

 

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What's the added value that your claim adds to the situation vs the added value of you living to possibly catch a wolf N2? Did you weigh that?

I dont expect to make it to N2. Either I will be lynched, which is probably what's gonna happen, (I don't see me building a strong enough case against him to sway everyone else) but damn it I'm gonna go out swinging.

 

 

Word of advice if you're town: In a standard game if you predict that you are going to be the focus all phase and the eventual lynch, good to claim and get it over with so town can readjust.  (You won't see me do that, but it's the best approach for a lot of people.)  In a kitchen sink game a claim itself doesn't have much value.  Might buy you a pass on D1.  Better to hold out with it.

 

I entered the phase saying I would vote Dawn.  I believe Turin's wtl was you and your two other suspects?  Why were you so confident you were going down today, and why didn't you wait to see whether the heat picked up on one of the other players you wanted to lynch anyway?

[Shad_]

And I hard claimed a mediocre role. Not an important one. Dice and cop are way more important than i

 

I beg to differ.  If you'd peeked me last night we'd have a dead wolf short of a ninja.  (Obviously I'm not blaming you for not peeking me if you're a villager.  I would have peeked Turin too lol)

 

Not sure a debate over that is going to get us anywhere, just food for thought if you happen to be town: Watcher and Tracker are very useful roles.

[Shad_]

Or else an outed vig but /shrug you know what I mean.  Watcher ain't a cop but it can catch scum red handed and it has less negative utility potential vs ninja than a cop does vs godfather.

[LedZepMan]

 

 

 

I revealed to release my thought process on why Turin is scum.

I legitimately do not see the relevance of your reveal to your thought process.

 

I didn't let on to my suspicion of Turin last night because I thought if he was town scum would kill him and clear the slot for me. Good. That's a smart way to play night phases and if you're town cheers. And by the way I know scum didn't kill him because hard claim really valuable town role is what I'm getting from the rest of it though and I can't make sense of it.

 

Like

 

What's the added value that your claim adds to the situation vs the added value of you living to possibly catch a wolf N2? Did you weigh that?

I dont expect to make it to N2. Either I will be lynched, which is probably what's gonna happen, (I don't see me building a strong enough case against him to sway everyone else) but damn it I'm gonna go out swinging.

Word of advice if you're town: In a standard game if you predict that you are going to be the focus all phase and the eventual lynch, good to claim and get it over with so town can readjust. (You won't see me do that, but it's the best approach for a lot of people.) In a kitchen sink game a claim itself doesn't have much value. Might buy you a pass on D1. Better to hold out with it.

 

I entered the phase saying I would vote Dawn. I believe Turin's wtl was you and your two other suspects? Why were you so confident you were going down today, and why didn't you wait to see whether the heat picked up on one of the other players you wanted to lynch anyway?

I actually didn't think about me being D2 target until I started to gun on Turin. I feel that now there is a stance, it must be resolved. Today.

[Shad_]

Finally the BIG RED SMOKING GUN: hOW DO YOU KNOW THAT SHAD WAS THE MAFIA KILL???

 

Thanks for playing

Just got to this part of your post, lol

[LedZepMan]

If you think that's indicative of me being scum Turin, you got a lot on your head.

 

Shad was the nk so you could solidify your claim on me being scum. His vote was on me, therefor you nk' him to start setting me up. Plus your scum mate was on my train too.

 

Dices vote was self explanatory

[Shad_]

I actually didn't think about me being D2 target until I started to gun on Turin. I feel that now there is a stance, it must be resolved. Today.

Why did you soft last night?

[LedZepMan]

And don't spout that, I would never do that as scum bologna, we've all done it as scum.

[LedZepMan]

Soft claim? Not aware that I did.

 

I said I would have some info. We are all roled. Seems legit that everyone should have some sort of intel gained over night.

[LedZepMan]

And no, don't misconstrue that as asking for your roles. I ain't.

 

If there's a vig, keep that shite to yourself

[LedZepMan]

If anything, my tunneling, or whatever Turin called it, will create one of two outcomes.

 

We have a heated D2 concentrated on me and Turin, which I'm ok with. I want this resolved. If I go to the block, and scum had 2 nk's, we are done. Game over scum win.

 

2. Turin goes to the block, flips scum (95% positive he will), we gain another day.

 

We either lynch scum today or the game is done.

 

Either way it turns out, I've had fun. This is the best game I've played so far since my return.

[Shad_]

Soft claim? Not aware that I did.

 

I said I would have some info. We are all roled. Seems legit that everyone should have some sort of intel gained over night.

 

I mean I'm a tree stump.

 

We shall see what information I have to divulge in the A.M.

 

This was the post.

 

I thought maybe you were a useless role trying to draw the night kill.  It's part of why I put off providing further thoughts until I saw a flip.  (No sense in wasting my time on you if scum were going to shoot you.)

 

In a world where town!you believes Watcher is mediocre then I guess it's just more of the same.  Investigative is the bread and butter of winning via power roles but /shrug if it's how you see it it's how you see it.

 

Killa openly admitted that her role was meh.  I believe you sussed Turin for encouraging her to just out with it.  What's inherently bad about asking Killa to reveal, in your opinion, given that you don't find Watcher to be of much value for town?

[Killashandra]

@Turin I missed it during my skim but no I am not GF. I was GF for my one and only (so far) scum game though. I would have gotten away fairly clean except the vig got me.

 

Shad's role is pretty cool. He gets to stick around to help us out. But yeah I can see where mafia could help him run with a wrong idea leading town over a cliff...

 

Shad is pretty clever though.

 

LMZ is on a tin foil rampage or he is just on the trial. He is wrong about me though. I am not sure I see why he claimed. Why does no one targeting Turin prove he is mafia? Or did I read what he meant totally wrong. I need to reread that exchange.

[LedZepMan]

Watcher doesn't get to see alignment.

 

If I had chosen you last night, yes, it would have proved useful.

 

Say dice hadn't died, and he had protected Turin last night. I would have seen dice target him, and then I would have pushed like hell to find out why.

 

Watcher is ok, but it's there's a lot of wiggle room since I don't get to see alignment. It's not near so useful imo as cop or doc or even vig.

[Turin Turambar]

If you think that's indicative of me being scum Turin, you got a lot on your head.

 

Shad was the nk so you could solidify your claim on me being scum. His vote was on me, therefor you nk' him to start setting me up. Plus your scum mate was on my train too.

 

Dices vote was self explanatory

again. How do YOU KNOW SHAD WAS THE MAFIA KILL?

[Killashandra]

Shad that is a good point about being night kill fodder. I should have done that. Damn. I still have a lot to learn about this game.

[Killashandra]

 

If you think that's indicative of me being scum Turin, you got a lot on your head.

 

Shad was the nk so you could solidify your claim on me being scum. His vote was on me, therefor you nk' him to start setting me up. Plus your scum mate was on my train too.

 

Dices vote was self explanatory

again. How do YOU KNOW SHAD WAS THE MAFIA KILL?

I want to know this too.

[LedZepMan]

It stands to reason. At least my reasoning. I think your scum. Scum wants to frame an innocent. Kill the guy who voted for the one you want to set up,

 

I can't dumb it down for you anymore Turin. you are scum and you will have to kill me to stop coming for you. You can't negotiate, weasel or worm your way out of this.

 

Either you or I will die today.

[Shad_]

Watcher doesn't get to see alignment.

 

If I had chosen you last night, yes, it would have proved useful.

 

Say dice hadn't died, and he had protected Turin last night. I would have seen dice target him, and then I would have pushed like hell to find out why.

 

Watcher is ok, but it's there's a lot of wiggle room since I don't get to see alignment. It's not near so useful imo as cop or doc or even vig.

 

/shrug if you correctly predict the night kill you out a wolf like 95% of the time.  Holster all other results to confirm/deny other players' claims later imo.

 

But that's enough on this topic.  We can chat about it post-game if you're town.