Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Ironeyes]

whats the difference if there's 3 scum and 1 sk or 4 scum???? besides nk???

The NK is part of it, for sure. If I were an SK (lol that's actually my initals IRL) then I'd have a kill every night, which would end up wearing on the town. But more importantly, my goals would be different from the scum or the town. Since I'm town, my goal with my one shot was to hit scum, which thankfully I did. But an SK would only be concerned with making the game last as long as possible without dying, and would therefore try to even out the balance of power between scum and town to keep them at each others' throats. At this point in the game with two scum down, that would mean trying to take down townies. 

 

But. JS said in one of his first posts that there were four members of the mafia team. That could have been him trying to sow confusion when he flipped, but since he hadn't even been sussed at the time, I'm inclined to believe that it was a legitimate mistake and there really are four members of the mafia team (I'm not saying scum because Kat made the point that even an SK would be considered that since they're non-town). And with four mafiosos, an SK becomes very unlikely because that would be unbalanced. 

[Katiora]

 

My thoughts on Believer haven't changed. I still think he's the scummiest person here

Thoughts on Darthe?

 

Honestly I'm not sure. I thought that what hallia pointed out in TAR where he said that about other people not choosing was weird. His vote on me I don't like at all. I don't wanna die so imma vote Kat... yeah lets not actually try to make a case on a wolf... To me that's not very darthelike... 

[Shad_]

Occams razor says im just lazy or irl busy as I mentioned pre game and at game start

Maybe, but why Kat instead of Believer?

[Zander?]

[Katiora]

So you dont play/post Mafia on your phone???

I will if I know I have to but I don't like to. I miss things trying to read it on the tiny screen and my phone posts crap and changes my words and I can't edit and it annoys me. I will get on in a hammer game if I feel that I need to but I really HATE playing on my phone. Usually I only read up on my phone and comment if it is a DIRE EMERGENCY, but this weekend I really didn't even have time for that. And Friday night I was home alone, with my two kids and didn't feel like dealing with mafia. I thought I'd have time to read up Saturday but instead I was in town with my parents all day helping them shop for stuff for my dad's building. I"m not sure why you keep pushing this and it's really starting to make me tinfoil you

[Darthe]

 

Occams razor says im just lazy or irl busy as I mentioned pre game and at game start

Maybe, but why Kat instead of Believer?

Believer isnt getting lynched today, thats pretty obvious.

[Zander?]

Kat are you honestly gonna try and tell me youre not playing differently to your normal Town!Meta??

 

Like even remove all the inactivity stuff, do you actually feel like you shouldnt be sussed atp?

 

Like a D1 Wolf lynch then a N1 Scum Shot....and Town!Kat dont even feel the need or WIM when you popped in to check and say like YAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

 

Like you didnt even pop in to say Im busy or no energy or w/e...

 

I just cant see a world where you act this way as Town.

[Shad_]

 

 

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence

2. Nolder dead

3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me

4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on

5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean

6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though

7. John Snow dead

8. Darthe me

9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare

10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya

11. Hellian dead

12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief

13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts

14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (3): Believer, Hallia, Tiinker

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[v] kat I dont wanna die

Say what?

 

 

 

I just realized Darthe was one of the people already voting Believer.

 

lol I'm bad at this game

[Katiora]

Kat are you honestly gonna try and tell me youre not playing differently to your normal Town!Meta??

 

Like even remove all the inactivity stuff, do you actually feel like you shouldnt be sussed atp?

 

Like a D1 Wolf lynch then a N1 Scum Shot....and Town!Kat dont even feel the need or WIM when you popped in to check and say like YAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

 

Like you didnt even pop in to say Im busy or no energy or w/e...

 

I just cant see a world where you act this way as Town.

look at the game where cory mislynched me... I didn't think i wouldn't be able to pop in, I just couldn't. and it's pretty well known I don't always get to play on weekends. 

 

And right now Zander is there honestly ANYTHING I could do to make you feel differently? Heck the way you came out of N1 I didn't have a snowballs chance of convincing you in the first place. In what world does town me know how to deal with you sussing me this hard on stuff that I just don't see how you're reading it as scum. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence

2. Nolder dead

3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me

4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on

5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean

6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though

7. John Snow dead

8. Darthe me

9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare

10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya

11. Hellian dead

12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief

13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts

14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (3): Believer, Hallia, Tiinker

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[v] kat I dont wanna die

Say what?

 

 

 

I just realized Darthe was one of the people already voting Believer.

 

lol I'm bad at this game

 

 

Really....sadface.gif

 

I thought we mind melded about the lack of commitment on Darthe's Kat read and "self pres:voting her 6 hours before DL in a non hammer game.

 

With trains 2 trains besides himself all close. 1 vote apart.

 

He says Believers not getting lynched but along with Kat is the MOST sussed person in the game.  Yes Kat getting lynched is more likely.  But I mean, I see the point if he was like trying to push me and Cass and saying that lynch aint happening but a Believer lynch from PoE of most people not far fetched imo.

 

But thats just my take

[Shad_]

It's really easy to sound sincere when people are sussing you for the wrong reasons. Kat doesn't play Mafia on the weekends. This is like, massively common knowledge and her rand has no bearing on it. She's going to respond roughly the same either way.

 

You responded to me about Darthe, but I would still like to know about Snow.

[Shad_]

@ Zander, part of my point though was that he could have tied the trains by voting Believer just as easily as by voting Kat and he was more suspicious of Believer than Kat.

 

Kind of goes out the window when I realize he was already voting Believer.

[Zander?]

 

Kat are you honestly gonna try and tell me youre not playing differently to your normal Town!Meta??

 

Like even remove all the inactivity stuff, do you actually feel like you shouldnt be sussed atp?

 

Like a D1 Wolf lynch then a N1 Scum Shot....and Town!Kat dont even feel the need or WIM when you popped in to check and say like YAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

 

Like you didnt even pop in to say Im busy or no energy or w/e...

 

I just cant see a world where you act this way as Town.

look at the game where cory mislynched me... I didn't think i wouldn't be able to pop in, I just couldn't. and it's pretty well known I don't always get to play on weekends. 

 

And right now Zander is there honestly ANYTHING I could do to make you feel differently? Heck the way you came out of N1 I didn't have a snowballs chance of convincing you in the first place. In what world does town me know how to deal with you sussing me this hard on stuff that I just don't see how you're reading it as scum. 

 

 

 

Kat are you honestly gonna try and tell me youre not playing differently to your normal Town!Meta??

 

Like even remove all the inactivity stuff, do you actually feel like you shouldnt be sussed atp?

 

Like a D1 Wolf lynch then a N1 Scum Shot....and Town!Kat dont even feel the need or WIM when you popped in to check and say like YAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

 

Like you didnt even pop in to say Im busy or no energy or w/e...

 

I just cant see a world where you act this way as Town.

 

 

Also I dont really feel the frustration of someone who is about to "MISLYNCHED" by someone who claims to read her quite well.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence

2. Nolder dead

3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me

4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on

5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean

6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though

7. John Snow dead

8. Darthe me

9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare

10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya

11. Hellian dead

12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief

13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts

14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (3): Believer, Hallia, Tiinker

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[v] kat I dont wanna die

Say what?

 

 

I just realized Darthe was one of the people already voting Believer.

 

lol I'm bad at this game

Really....sadface.gif

 

I thought we mind melded about the lack of commitment on Darthe's Kat read and "self pres:voting her 6 hours before DL in a non hammer game.

 

With trains 2 trains besides himself all close. 1 vote apart.

 

He says Believers not getting lynched but along with Kat is the MOST sussed person in the game. Yes Kat getting lynched is more likely. But I mean, I see the point if he was like trying to push me and Cass and saying that lynch aint happening but a Believer lynch from PoE of most people not far fetched imo.

 

But thats just my take

Thats obviously wrong though, as im being voted more than either were. I would assume that im the most suspect person in the game, or at least the one folks are most afraid is fooling them.

[Zander?]

@ Zander, part of my point though was that he could have tied the trains by voting Believer just as easily as by voting Kat and he was more suspicious of Believer than Kat.

 

Kind of goes out the window when I realize he was already voting Believer.

 

This was not part of my thought because Ive been at him to see why he wouldnt vote Kat instead of Believer.

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

honestly my gut is saying [v]Believer[/v] right now. Though I don't know. It is bothering me that Hallian hasn't showed up today AT ALL 

 

Hellian flips Scum Kats Wolf Equity rises imo.

 

would it really help  my town equity to vote him now?? he's already lynched as it is. Right now the easiest thing for me to do as mafia would be to bus if he's scum. It would fit me in every way. I'd be sheeping you (as expected) and putting my vote on a wolf, if he's scum. But then darthe will say "the last 3 people on there are possibly scum because he was already dead" blah blah blah blah. 

 

And honestly I just feel worse about believer. I am not going to vote against what I believe. 

 

 

Obv I KNOW I can be wrong Kat.

 

But for you to have me as a Top Town read and likes to sheep me, but not alarms me.

 

Honestly on this one I'm afraid you got stuck in the tunnel and I don't know if I can trust your thoughts on the matter. And while a lot of the time I "sheep" you... I do it for my own reasons not always for yours lol. This time I don't have a reason besides hellian's fight with you. And her disappearing. Honestly If she doesn't show up in the next 15 minutes I will probably switch my vote. I think it's very poor play on any side not to at least show up for deadline. And it it more than slightly scummy. Though Honestly you might have just scared her off lol

 

 

Ok, I wasn't/?am not as sold as Zander that Kat's scummy for NOT sheeping him. I posted previously that I actually agreed with Kat when she 'followed her gut' onto Believer so I could see that coming from Town. 

 

But the part where she responds to him with "would it really help my Town equity to vote him [Hellian] now??" pinged me originally, and 

 

the shading on Zander combined with the hedging further down looks bad too.

 

 

I've just re-read Town Kat in Disney, skimmed her here, working on GS. Is there a link to a Town game where she copped heat?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence

2. Nolder dead

3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me

4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on

5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean

6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though

7. John Snow dead

8. Darthe me

9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare

10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya

11. Hellian dead

12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief

13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts

14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (3): Believer, Hallia, Tiinker

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[v] kat I dont wanna die

Say what?

 

 

I just realized Darthe was one of the people already voting Believer.

 

lol I'm bad at this game

Really....sadface.gif

 

I thought we mind melded about the lack of commitment on Darthe's Kat read and "self pres:voting her 6 hours before DL in a non hammer game.

 

With trains 2 trains besides himself all close. 1 vote apart.

 

He says Believers not getting lynched but along with Kat is the MOST sussed person in the game. Yes Kat getting lynched is more likely. But I mean, I see the point if he was like trying to push me and Cass and saying that lynch aint happening but a Believer lynch from PoE of most people not far fetched imo.

 

But thats just my take

Thats obviously wrong though, as im being voted more than either were. I would assume that im the most suspect person in the game, or at least the one folks are most afraid is fooling them.

 

 

What Im saying is your acting like Believer who was 1 vote behind you was never getting lynched so you voted for Kat,

 

 

Lots of time left before self pres vote needed imo,

 

[Darthe]

Youve all seen me as irl busy before, and you know that it looks like this. You also know im a hella clean wolf, and that im on point. I likely have wolves pushing me or that will snap vote at EoD.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence

2. Nolder dead

3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me

4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on

5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean

6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though

7. John Snow dead

8. Darthe me

9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare

10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya

11. Hellian dead

12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief

13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts

14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (3): Believer, Hallia, Tiinker

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[v] kat I dont wanna die

Say what?

 

 

I just realized Darthe was one of the people already voting Believer.

 

lol I'm bad at this game

Really....sadface.gif

 

I thought we mind melded about the lack of commitment on Darthe's Kat read and "self pres:voting her 6 hours before DL in a non hammer game.

 

With trains 2 trains besides himself all close. 1 vote apart.

 

He says Believers not getting lynched but along with Kat is the MOST sussed person in the game. Yes Kat getting lynched is more likely. But I mean, I see the point if he was like trying to push me and Cass and saying that lynch aint happening but a Believer lynch from PoE of most people not far fetched imo.

 

But thats just my take

Thats obviously wrong though, as im being voted more than either were. I would assume that im the most suspect person in the game, or at least the one folks are most afraid is fooling them.

What Im saying is your acting like Believer who was 1 vote behind you was never getting lynched so you voted for Kat,

 

 

Lots of time left before self pres vote needed imo,

Well then youre wrong. Im getting talked about.constantly and some of the biggest voices have mostly dismissed or backed off of believer a la shad. This was the best time for me to swiitch because Im not at 6-2 and I have time atm. Moreover, I said self pres because thats what it was. Dont confuse an ugly trith for a lie just because you dont like the taste.

[BFG]

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (3): Pral, Zass, Darthe

 

Believer (1): Dice

 

Darthe (3): Believer, Hallia, Tiinker

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[Cass]

 

Kat are you honestly gonna try and tell me youre not playing differently to your normal Town!Meta??

 

Like even remove all the inactivity stuff, do you actually feel like you shouldnt be sussed atp?

 

Like a D1 Wolf lynch then a N1 Scum Shot....and Town!Kat dont even feel the need or WIM when you popped in to check and say like YAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

 

Like you didnt even pop in to say Im busy or no energy or w/e...

 

I just cant see a world where you act this way as Town.

look at the game where cory mislynched me... I didn't think i wouldn't be able to pop in, I just couldn't. and it's pretty well known I don't always get to play on weekends. 

 

And right now Zander is there honestly ANYTHING I could do to make you feel differently? Heck the way you came out of N1 I didn't have a snowballs chance of convincing you in the first place. In what world does town me know how to deal with you sussing me this hard on stuff that I just don't see how you're reading it as scum. 

 

 

Kat...You weren't in the Stedding... why would your focus be how Z came 'out of N1' rather than at you D2 ?

[dicetosser1]

alright caught up but not sure how much sunk in cause its sparrow fart here

[Zander?]

alright caught up but not sure how much sunk in cause its sparrow fart here

 

WTF?!?!!?!?!?!

[Hallia]

I love you Kat...but I might switch. Darthe sounding better, he seems to have calmed down, and the response to Zander seems kinda off.

[dicetosser1]

sparrow fart = REALLY early morning as the sparrows are getting up