Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Zander?]

For me, someone going "I'm not going to get heavily involved until D2 and if I don't make good on my word tomorrow you can lynch me" is less suspicious than someone putting on a brief appearance of trying to solve and drifting away after it gets negative feedback.

 

/shrug

 

Neither look particularly good.

 

A LOT of this

[Katiora]

 

IDK I'm more willing to give the new guy a pass and see if he cleans up then someone that just doesn't seem invested at all.

 

I mean I hate D1 but I still try to put SOME effort into it. Not putting any effort into ANY day is just not very pro-town... I"m kinda wanting to vote Believer... 

 

This does not sound like sheeping Zander.

 

well... I'm not 100% sure I agree with zander... so I may not sheep him immediately :P I think you're town. That doesn't mean you're right lol

[Zander?]

 

 

IDK I'm more willing to give the new guy a pass and see if he cleans up then someone that just doesn't seem invested at all.

 

I mean I hate D1 but I still try to put SOME effort into it. Not putting any effort into ANY day is just not very pro-town... I"m kinda wanting to vote Believer... 

 

This does not sound like sheeping Zander.

 

well... I'm not 100% sure I agree with zander... so I may not sheep him immediately :P I think you're town. That doesn't mean you're right lol

 

 

Kat are you a Wolf?

 

You can tell me I wont hurt you....

[Katiora]

 

 

 

IDK I'm more willing to give the new guy a pass and see if he cleans up then someone that just doesn't seem invested at all.

 

I mean I hate D1 but I still try to put SOME effort into it. Not putting any effort into ANY day is just not very pro-town... I"m kinda wanting to vote Believer... 

 

This does not sound like sheeping Zander.

 

well... I'm not 100% sure I agree with zander... so I may not sheep him immediately :P I think you're town. That doesn't mean you're right lol

 

 

Kat are you a Wolf?

 

You can tell me I wont hurt you....

 

No i'm not a wolf...  

 

And that's a total lie :P you would lynch me in a heartbeat if you thought i was lolololol as I would to you

[dicetosser1]

CFD onto Dice while he's sleeping still an open offer.....

 

Would it make you feel any better if I claimed JOAT and had a red peek on him?

 

SOMEBODY give me a gun!!!!!!!

 

 

im here about to leave for work  will be back just after 7   am hr or so from now

[Katiora]

 

CFD onto Dice while he's sleeping still an open offer.....

 

Would it make you feel any better if I claimed JOAT and had a red peek on him?

 

SOMEBODY give me a gun!!!!!!!

 

 

im here about to leave for work  will be back just after 7   am hr or so from now

 

Ok zander if we're going to do it now's the time  

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

*snipped* 

Actually while you both have high post counts, I see more content in your posts than spam. ATM I am reading you as hyperactive townie.

I suppose that's fair.Zander's a villager. I have a lot of experience playing with him and a great track record reading him and I would be very very surprised if he was anything else in this game.It will help me a lot towards reading you if you spread out more and express your thoughts on the whole player base instead of just focusing on him.

Don't you find it odd that he accuses me of ignoring questions that are referencing another player?

 @Hellian: I don't get this question at all??  

 

WF, if you go back to Zanders post, the question he had bolded was to Hallia.

 

FTFY  

 

The pink salmon is the question I was referring to.

You have to read back further dearling. I was asking Shad if he didn't find it odd that Zander kept deliberately mistaking me from Hallia.

 

 

So its been like 23 hours since her last post....

 

 

 

 

so were only waiting on 1 player still to check in.

 

hellian i believe.

 

 

Greetings! Just saw the PM. Let me get caught up...

 

 

 

 

Am i the only one who found this awfully convenient?

 

 

so were only waiting on 1 player still to check in.

 

hellian i believe.

 

 

Greetings! Just saw the PM. Let me get caught up...

 

 

I believe the sign-up thread originally stated a 9/25 start date. 

 

 

And popping in 13 mins after I call her out is sketch. 

 

Then she responds to Dice saying she thought it was a 9/25 start date.

 

A lot of coincidence here imo.

[Zander?]

 

CFD onto Dice while he's sleeping still an open offer.....

 

Would it make you feel any better if I claimed JOAT and had a red peek on him?

 

SOMEBODY give me a gun!!!!!!!

 

 

im here about to leave for work  will be back just after 7   am hr or so from now

 

 

wutido???

 

 

 

CFD onto Dice while he's sleeping still an open offer.....

 

Would it make you feel any better if I claimed JOAT and had a red peek on him?

 

SOMEBODY give me a gun!!!!!!!

 

 

im here about to leave for work  will be back just after 7   am hr or so from now

 

Ok zander if we're going to do it now's the time

 

 

I dont know what youre talking ABOOT eh....

[Darthe]

 

 

Zand/Cass - Obv Town

Kat - I feel that vibe from her. She's here, she's present, she's in a great mood

Dice - Tone is villagery af

 

 

Shad - He's improved a lot, I was having trouble earlier but he's got his head in the game

Tiinker - I feel like he's towny, seems different from his scum games

Nolder - Townish lean to me - This is different for me, as I recall scum reading him a lot back in the day. I feel like he's being open and honest

Ironeyes - I'm on the cusp of town here. I like his level of involvement. He's my lowest town lean.

 

Bee - On the fence about - Want to give him more time though

Darthe - Felt more confident initially, that is fading into doubt, though.

Wifi - I feel like I always scum read - Others are town reading, so will give time.

 

JS - Still suspicious of, but as people say, he's got his head in the game right now. May unvote, but I still think wolfy.

Pral - Did not like his read list, or level of involvement

Hellian - I don't know if it's because he's new. I find it odd also the people that are normally all about d1 passes for new people aren't doing it here. It says more about them than it does Hellian to me.

Are these in order Hallia?

For the most part, the last three keep flopping around

At a pinch but forgot Nolder and Darthe and apart from Believer these are my tinfoilconspiracy reads :p . Except for Believer I'm not really into voting any of them today.

Wrt Iron it's mostly little things and possibly unfamiliarity makes him ping me to me than he should ...and I won't vote there before reading the other ISO at least.

 

 

 

Zand/Cass - Obv Town

Kat - I feel that vibe from her. She's here, she's present, she's in a great mood

Dice - Tone is villagery af

 

 

Shad - He's improved a lot, I was having trouble earlier but he's got his head in the game

Tiinker - I feel like he's towny, seems different from his scum games

Nolder - Townish lean to me - This is different for me, as I recall scum reading him a lot back in the day. I feel like he's being open and honest

Ironeyes - I'm on the cusp of town here. I like his level of involvement. He's my lowest town lean.

 

Bee - On the fence about - Want to give him more time though

Darthe - Felt more confident initially, that is fading into doubt, though.

Wifi - I feel like I always scum read - Others are town reading, so will give time.

 

JS - Still suspicious of, but as people say, he's got his head in the game right now. May unvote, but I still think wolfy.

Pral - Did not like his read list, or level of involvement

Hellian - I don't know if it's because he's new. I find it odd also the people that are normally all about d1 passes for new people aren't doing it here. It says more about them than it does Hellian to me.

Hallehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh <3

 

Can you walk me through the thought processes on Believer and Hellian from start to finish?

 

Eg. Why does Believer get more time but not Hellian?

Bee I said about yesterday I think it was? His game where he was IC it threw me off on how to read him, which he was playing scummy, of course, and he seems different. And so, I want more time to read him. I'm not confident on my read.

I also think Hellian should get a little more time.

Hey hally, how/why am I fading to null for you?

maybe I should just ISO you, but thinking back on you, I remember liking your posts initially but when I try to remember recent ones they just blur. That is more a failure on my part I suppose.

It's cool, I forget what I say too

[Darthe]

For me, someone going "I'm not going to get heavily involved until D2 and if I don't make good on my word tomorrow you can lynch me" is less suspicious than someone putting on a brief appearance of trying to solve and drifting away after it gets negative feedback.

 

/shrug

 

Neither look particularly good.

Idk who we are talking about but I agree with what this says. Who is it pointing art?

[Darthe]

 

Darest I say that zander and cass have pinged me a few times? I darest, but I do recognize that it's prob a factor of how many posts they have, or my inherent aversion to chumminess.

OFC its not normal for you to not be wrong about Town!Zander in like every game...lol

Thatz a double negative

[Ironeyes]

 

For me, someone going "I'm not going to get heavily involved until D2 and if I don't make good on my word tomorrow you can lynch me" is less suspicious than someone putting on a brief appearance of trying to solve and drifting away after it gets negative feedback.

 

/shrug

 

Neither look particularly good.

Idk who we are talking about but I agree with what this says. Who is it pointing art?

 

Referring to Hellian and Believer. B said he wouldn't contribute much until D2, but Hellian hasn't thrown in much besides a half hearted case on Zander. 

[Hallia]

Hellian is down so far because of so many people saying he's scummy and I can't find anything to refute that.

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay, I don't have time to do a full ISO on even the ones I want to....its 3pm and I was only on pg 2 of tiink's.  So, I pulled some posts of his that I thought were relevant to a read, either way: town/scum. I am going to use my memory GHU for the reads...Okay, so I might do random ISO's

 

 

1. Tiinker - Null - Slight Scummy - He is a mastermind at mafia.  plays the wolf very well.  Can totally see him orchestrating whole set up...will elaborate on bottom.
2. Nolder - Null
3. Kat - Null
4. Dice - Null -  Townie - based on his response to a post shad's self vote post....seems legit PO'dness. asking/answering questions, pushing people, etc.
5. WiFi - TOWN QUEENIE
6. Hallia _ Null
7. John Snow - Null - Slight Scummy - IIRC He said he knew how many scum there was in the game (four).  Also some of his posts seem to be confusing for others...through no fault of his own.....maybe/maybe not....something to think about?  
8. Darthe - Null - Will talk about in WoT at bottom.  He could go both ways
9. Zander/Cass - Null - Townie - So much enthusiasm. can't be anything but.  
10. Pral - Null
11. Hellian - Null
12. Believer - Null
13. Ironeyes - Null - Townie - He just shows a sense of innocence.  Like I know he hasn't played in a long time so I can see where it is coming from.  
14. Shad - Null - Slightly Scummy - his self confessed: mafia claim and self vote. though the self vote kinda wants me to think him more villagery...talk more about this later....

 

 

DISCLAIMER:  This is my FIRST reads list.  It   WILL CHANGE  and to be honest it probably already has, as it changes due to my emotions and my whim.  

 

 

Okay so I think there is the possibility of a tiink/JS/darthe/shad mafia team, and here's why:  I was just mafia with darthe in my last game and he had me pushing to bus and distancing myself from him.  Therefore, I figure he figures that I will remember this so they decide to do the opposite: Play buddy, buddies.  I have brought out some posts that show this between darthe and tiink, but if IIRC and I could be wrong, TLK I have been wrong before, there was some distancing between them and shad/JS. I had so much more I wanted to say...........darn.....I hate my memory fmm

 

OR

 

There is the possibility of a pral/hellian/hallia/believer mafia team and here's why: They are trying to slide under the radar.  It's not like it wasn't done before.  I don't think its totally likely but I do think there is a possibility of there being at least 1 maybe 2 er maybe 3 maybe just maybe in that combo.

[Wildfire Sedai]

Here are the posts that go with my reads list.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's definitely drumming up reads awful fast.

 
Thoughts on other players? 

 

 

yolo intro/early readsZander/CassDiceWifiPralDarthe?Snow?
 
I'm not even going to call Halli a mild wolf lean because that feel from me at this stage is as predictable as the sun rising in the east.
If you ask me what made me give Darthe and Snow minuscule town leans I'm going to say it's page 11 and ignore you.

I suppose Wifi has already started looking like she did in Demon's Cove, when she was town. But Snow has done literally nothing but drill me in his three or four posts so far. I don't see where you get a green out of that. It's literally exactly what Clovdyx did in Demon's cove and he was a scum mastermind.

I think this is towny

Why?
I don't know if it's towny but I don't hate WiFi and I haven't seen anything from Snow that puts him anymore near Town than Iron.

There's a sense of honest disgruntledness to it. WiFi doesn't sound particularly town to me but she always plays this way and since he's a returning player him referring back to a previous game shows he's at least looking for reasons for it to be true rather than jumping on her ass. I thought it was a good post.

I don't hate this response.

I don't know that I'd feel disgruntled at seeing a reason to lean someone Town though. That stood out to me, as did the mention of ClovScum mastermind. Watching that space.

 

It's because he seems honest not because he's disgruntled.

 

 

 

Honestly, I'd have to go and analyse his other games since he was absent early in OW and honestly don't know if I cbf. bare with me plz

 

 

 

Worked happened.

 

 

 

 

People can be serious at any point.

I can't tell if this is serious or not. Well done.

 

It is.  And also, seriously.  I like your vibes so far this game.  You sound pretty on point.

 

 

Also feeling good about Tiink.  I've played a fewww scum games from here and his tone is different.  A lot more like last game.

 

What's similar to last game?

 

I feel like you're being more ...honest?  Transparent?  When scum, that very first game my gut said you were scum, but like a charismatic salesman you wormed your way into having me believe you weren't.  I ignored my own alarm bells.  I don't get that from you this game.  If you'll recall last game, I unvoted you, because I had to go with my gut.  I'm going to do so again.

 

I can follow that thought process. If you hadn't pointed out it was why you unvoted me I would've been more suss because I think it became more obvious at the end of the Day in that game. We getting more snuggly here.

 

 

 

 

 

yolo intro/early reads

Zander/Cass
Dice
Wifi
Pral
Darthe?
Snow?
 
I'm not even going to call Halli a mild wolf lean because that feel from me at this stage is as predictable as the sun rising in the east.

If you ask me what made me give Darthe and Snow minuscule town leans I'm going to say it's page 11 and ignore you.

 

 

 

Lack of crazy beautiful GOAT brain breaking Wifi posts is a little worrisome atp.

 

I thought her first post was a good look.

 

Going to take a lot more than that to have me really trusting she's a villager, but I thought it merited a positive lean.

 

 

 

So actually, I don't know if I was right when i said that he was really mod influenced from last game.  I saw a ton of references to past games and meta in his ISO, and I do mean a ton, but most of it didn't seem to clearly point to this past game outside of the above two which makes some sense to me.

 

Tbh, the ISO left me a bit less comfortable with you Shad.  You reference so many other games and back up so much of what you say that it almost appeared as if you felt the need to cover your every step.  I still have you as slight town I think, but only just so.  

 

Weak imo and I'm not sure I'm following. I just iso'd him myself and didn't really come back with much to point to him being scum. I feel better about him. The majority of his posts seem well-placed and reasonable and backed up enough. I'm sure that reading it in ISO has screwed with my perception of his posts because I remember them being a bit underhanded but rereading them in ISO they seem more genuine and his progression has been steady. I'd slot him into a town read at this point in the Day. 

 

 

 

I feel I've stuck up for Shad a decent amount this game and I don't like it. But he's been one of the main contributors to the game and it seems like a lot of nitpicking. I really hope I'm not wrong.

 

 

 

Tink you are playing well

Stop hitting on me.

 

 

 

 

ugh

Nolder's probably a villager.

Reference massive thread derailment in Nightmare Before Christmas to see what I'm talking about. If I get into this with him it will be a never ending cycle of him refusing to talk to me because of some imaginary slight on my end.

Moving on.

Lol ive Never experienced that before with him. I read that exchange and what I got from it is nol is beating the grass a bit or is a wolf (really not sure which way thats gonna go), you're is fine, zanders instigative, and on a semi unrelated note I think tink looks good so far.

 

 

 

I've got tink, marsh and wild as hard town and I'm leaning that way on shad and zass. Hally and kat im trying to form a read on but just can't, nol is semi baffling me, anyone else I've basically ignored thus far.

 

 

 

 

Nolder are you drunk???

 

lololololol

What's up? I'm just trying to get a feel for a new player. Problem?

 

Lol what is that? I always lynch trump supporters...

 

Well that doesn't bode well for our future together...

 

A policy lynch is something you will always lynch a player for, on policy.

 

For example there is a saying called Lynch All Liars that many also take as a policy lynch.

If someone is found to be lying then you lynch them.

There is another one called Why Me = Fry Me where if someone cries "why me!?" while you're voting them instead of continuing to hunt the mafia then they need to be lynched on policy.

Another, Lynch All Lurkers...and on and on. There are many Policy Lynches and some individuals have their own that haven't really caught on with the community while some are against the idea altogether.

 

I want to know how you feel about policy lynching and whether there is any you adhere to.

 

You know, aggression that serves no purpose is really tilting.  It looks like cover, and that's not the read I've had of you thus far.

 

 

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

This is the second half of the quotes to my reads list:

 

 

 

 

 

I'll be out of town all weekend and we're night killing Zander, so you're good.

  

We should hang out more.

  

I math as well as Zander but I promise A does not result in B here

If it's behavioural analysis you're after, I'm not seeing the depth of thought I'm used to with you here and your early read of us bugs me. You're on the up in ISO but man I'm gonna lololololol if you're a wolf.

Darthe, which game /ISO of Shad's are you referring to?

 

i iso'd him this game to make a point and came out of the iso with different thoughts

 

 

 

 

Well that's not nice... We still have nearly two days. You can clear yourself and we can move on to lynching scum.

Wolf me would jump on this, town me thinks it's meant earnestly

 

 

 

[Zander?]

Can we just hammer Hallian and get this moving?

 

I mean unless someone else has a better alternative that enough people will agree with.

[John Snow]

Can we just hammer Hallian and get this moving?

 

I mean unless someone else has a better alternative that enough people will agree with.

 

I mean, no. It's a deadline game, there are no hammers

[Zander?]

 

Can we just hammer Hallian and get this moving?

 

I mean unless someone else has a better alternative that enough people will agree with.

 

I mean, no. It's a deadline game, there are no hammers

 

 

FML

[Ironeyes]

Unless someone pulls a CFD (and I mean chinese fire drill fyi ) he'll be dead in ninety minutes

[BFG]

D1 Votecount

 

 

 

Snow (2): Hallia, Believer

 

Hellian (4): Shad, Nolder, Ironeyes, Zass

 

Zass (1): Hellian

 

Believer (2): Tiinker, Snow

 

Not Voting (5): Darthe, Dice, Katiora, Pralaya, Wildfire Sedai

 

 

 

You have about 1.25 hours to choose between the stedding and Tel'Aran'Rhiod

[Zander?]

5 people not voting atp is pretty awful.

 

Come on people piss or get off the pot.

[Zander?]

[Zander?]

[Zander?]

I dont think Ive ever seen a game this quiet before DL....

 

I dont know what to make of it...

 

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