Everybody but Mat ?

[grump]

Everybody but Mat knows about and uses traveling. Will he ever use it and will the Fox head be a problem if he trys?

[SBoydW]

I don;t know if he'll ever use it, but I don't think that the foxhead medallion will be a problem. It seems to only work on weaves directed at him.

[frozen Turkey]

Thats actually a really, really good question. I never thought of that. I personally think the foxhead would not stop Mat from travelling, but it would be interesting if it did.

[kobra_khan69]

Rand sent Mat and the band through a gateway already so it doesn't stop him from traveling.

[Gympok]

Yep, Kobras right. Its how his Band gets around in the 11th book and starts slautering the Seanchan. I love it cause they think his band is a few hundred thousand when its a small group! But yes, matt does Travel.

[reyler]

Yep' date=' Kobras right. Its how his Band gets around in the 11th book and starts slautering the Seanchan. I love it cause they think his band is a few hundred thousand when its a small group! But yes, matt does Travel.[/quote']

 

Actually, what kobra was (hopefully) talking about was when Rand dropped Mat and the Band off a few days out from Salidar. Mat hasn't been through a gateway since getting to Ebou Dar. The guerrila assault on the Seanchan was possible because the Band is that good (and because they've got machine gun arrow launchers). The whole point was to get the Seanchan blocking his path to go somewhere else. If Mat could travel at the time, it would have been beyond unnecessary.

[RobertAlexWillis]

reyler's right, Mat didn't use gateways when he was fighting the Seanchan, since no one with him can make one. The last time he went through a gateway was when Rand sent him to collect Elayne, and maybe Egwene and Nynaeve, at Salidar.

 

However, since that was well after he got his foxhead ter'angreal, it assures us that the ter'angreal in no way intereferes with either Travelling or Skimming (as Mat went to Caemlyn with Rand via that method while wearing the foxhead).

[kobra_khan69]

Yep' date=' Kobras right. Its how his Band gets around in the 11th book and starts slautering the Seanchan. I love it cause they think his band is a few hundred thousand when its a small group! But yes, matt does Travel.[/quote']

 

Actually, what kobra was (hopefully) talking about was when Rand dropped Mat and the Band off a few days out from Salidar. Mat hasn't been through a gateway since getting to Ebou Dar. The guerrila assault on the Seanchan was possible because the Band is that good (and because they've got machine gun arrow launchers). The whole point was to get the Seanchan blocking his path to go somewhere else. If Mat could travel at the time, it would have been beyond unnecessary.

 

yeah i was talking about when Rand sent Mat to collect the three mules. :P

[reyler]

The last time he went through a gateway was when Rand sent him to collect Elayne' date=' and maybe Egwene and Nynaeve, at Salidar. [/quote']

 

*nitpick* Actually, he went through Elayne's considerably smaller gateway when chaperoning her to Ebou Dar.

 

Anyway, the foxhead only prevents weaves from touching Mat. He can get mussed up by the results. This has been hashed out in arguments over Rahvin killing him with lightning, I believe.

[Fantasy Fan]

Yah, the weaves just kind of melt when they touch him. It wont stop someone from picking up rocks with the power and throwing them at him.

[RobertAlexWillis]

*nitpick* Actually, he went through Elayne's considerably smaller gateway when chaperoning her to Ebou Dar.

 

LOL ... a successful nitpick at that. Fortunately it in no way affects the point I was trying to make, which you aren't disputing anyway.

[dimmu666]

ummm wait a sec. So the weaves can't touch mat when hes got the medallion. and in the other threads the view is that Rahvin's lightning was indirect thats why it killed mat. But so are you saying that if aes sedai and ashaman start throwing fireballs at mat, they won't touch him? Not even rand going psycho and throwing a massive balefire at him?

 

if thats the case, then doesn't the medallion make mat a gholam thingy?

[Iceman]

Since the Foxhead has the same effects on the person wearing it and it is the only thing that we've seen that can hurt a gholam, I'd say it is very similar to "making Mat a gholam thingy".

[Hannah Banana]

It's a similar argument to whether or not you could kill a gholam by somehow getting him in the middle of a gateway and then closing it (chopping it in half). Or would the gholam make the Gateway weave melt somehow?

[Tenshin_Xo]

I think the results on that would depend on whether the gateway is the weave, or just an effect of the weave. To compare, is the gateway like a flow of air picking something up, or is it like the lightning bolt, where its the result of a weave. For that matter, is balefire an emission from a weave or is it a weave throughout its body. I think the arrows of fire used by Rand are clearly emissions and might therefore be used against either Mat of the Gholam. Unfortunatly this is all conjecture.

[Hannah Banana]

See, I had always thought of the Gateway as being a weave you have to walk through. Even the actual "gate" part that you have to pass into and out the other side.

 

But, since Mat has walked through a Gateway before whilst wearing the medallion, this obviously isn't case.

[Tenshin_Xo]

Oh quite, Hannah! I should have been more specific. I meant the edge of a gateway. If Mat or a Gholam were to touch the 'razor edge' of a gateway would it cut them, or would it unravel and fade the way Aviendha did leaving Ebou Dar?

[Narishma]

Well i don't think the fox head would prevent him from going thru the gateway. If it did though it would only be with females since the foxhead only works directly against saidar.Since he only asked to be "free of aes sedai" in rhuidean

[Tenshin_Xo]

It blocks saidin too. Remember when Aran'gar/Halima tried to exact revenge on him for spurning her at the camp. I will provide page and chapter references when I get home/to my books.

[Hannah Banana]

It was LoC, chapter 'The Color of Trust'.

 

Good point, Tenshin, about the "edge" of the gateway. Maybe walking through it he would be fine, but if he actually brushed the edge, what would the affect be.

[Narishma]

Ok tenshin i'm confused so how did rahvin kill him before rand brought him back with bale fire.

[Tenshin_Xo]

The lightnings that Rahvin used to kill Mat are a result of the weave not the weave itself. Think of it like when Elayne or one of the other sisters would throw logs mud and anything else handy to torture (read: browbeat or nag) him into letting them study the medallion. Rahvin effectively threw a ton of electrons at Mat without actually touching him with a weave directly.

[Beowolf]

The Medalion- Prevents Mat from being touched by direct weaves.

Gholam- Similar, if not identical power to Mat's medallion.

Gateways- The actual space within the gateway is not a weave. It's empty space. The edges of the gateway, however, are weaves(the weave has to be somewhere, nothing else makes sense), so I think Mat(and Gholam) would be protected from the chopping aspect, if not the transportation itself.

Indirect Weaving- If the weave itself does not touch Mat, he's vulrenable. If someone summons a storm, and the resulting lighting hits Mat, he's vulrenable. If, however, someone tries to ensare him in Air, or burn him with direct Fire or something, he's safe.

[Tenshin_Xo]

I'm not so sure mat would be safe from the chopping aspect, because even if the weave melted away from touching him, part of him would be in one place and whichever part was through the gateway would end up in another.

[dimmu666]

Yo peeps. Lets clarify one point

 

someone said that Mat only asked to be free from "Aes Sedai" and so only female chanellers can't affect him.

But yo, Aes Sedai also include males. In the wider sense of the word, there were male and female AS in the age of legends and so its not only females. get it? So the medallion also protects mat from male chanelling. Rahvin's lightning was indirect.