Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Kivam]

Dice, why do you think scum got fake claim names, rather than real names like the rest of us?

[Shad_]

AJ!  We must chat.

[Andrej]

We shall.

 

Let me shower and get settled, gotta wash this aircraft grime off first.

[Andrej]

I'll be around for the most part for the remainder of this evening, so I'll be caught up again soon.

[dicetosser1]

@ kivam

 

 

 

[v]players name[/v]

Unvotes are not required, you may self vote and you may vote No Lynch.

Character/role claims are allowed, mafia will have fake claims.

 

[Shad_]

 

Zander, I figured Belichick tells me nothing, ISO'd you in TG and US, do me one thing here: just briefly sum up why you're voting me.

 

I dont feel your playing like the Town!Shad I know.

 

I find you've been over reactive, defensive,  your suss'omg'ing everyone that suss' you.  Ive liked points others have made against you as well.

 

Call it what you want, my gut says you're wolf and I'm going with it.

 

#Soulread

 

 

:\  I had a post in mind that would make me feel fairly strong town about you but it was a bit of a shot in the dark whether I'd get it.  Regardless I want to think this style/level of tunneling comes from town!Zander more often than not even though I think your comments about me along the way were kind of garbage.  Very slight town lean and I can kick myself in DT later if you're scum?  Let's go with that.

 

You should still unvote me.  Go ISO me in PF and see if you don't walk away with more of a null feeling about me.

[Nolder]

Alright everyone is ignoring me so that's clearly a no on Kiv.

Let's tie the trains then.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Crusher[/v]

[Nolder]

YOUR MOVE MAFS

[Shad_]

I'm kind of getting tired of staring at my screen and want to go read a book for a while.  I think I'll do that.  I assumed earlier that
 

Ninja'd.

Guess I should refresh my phone browser more often. I'll read those posts in a few

 
was @ me so if I come back in an hour or two we can get this party started.

[Nynaeve]

Sleepy thought.... nol, your top scum reads are kiv and laine. You tried to see if anyone would switch to kiv... why not then switch to your other scum lean and try to promote that? Shad was pointing out some stuff about laine he didn't like earlier.... and I sort of expected you comment on it due to her being one of your main suspects. But you didn't.

[BFG]

Official VC 1.15

Shad (4): Dice, Zander, Calder, AJ

Hallia (1): Clov

Crusher (4): Kivam, Nyn, Shad, Nolder

Kivam (1): Crusher

 

Not voting (3): Hallia, Thane, Laine

 

 

 

 

 

Official VC 1.14

Shad (4): Dice, Zander, Calder, AJ

Hallia (1): Clov

Crusher (3): Kivam, Nyn, Shad

Kivam (2): Crusher, Nolder

 

Not voting (3): Hallia, Thane, Laine

 

Alright everyone is ignoring me so that's clearly a no on Kiv.

Let's tie the trains then.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Crusher[/v]

 

 

In the event of a tie in the voting, the person lynched will be randed between the tied players

[Andrej]

I'm kind of getting tired of staring at my screen and want to go read a book for a while.  I think I'll do that.  I assumed earlier that

 

Ninja'd.

 

Guess I should refresh my phone browser more often. I'll read those posts in a few

 

was @ me so if I come back in an hour or two we can get this party started.

 

It was. "A few" turned into a few hours, as a result. Lunch ended and I was immediately put onto another job, but whatever.

[BFG]

I'll be back an hour or two before deadline <3

[Nolder]

Sleepy thought.... nol, your top scum reads are kiv and laine. You tried to see if anyone would switch to kiv... why not then switch to your other scum lean and try to promote that? Shad was pointing out some stuff about laine he didn't like earlier.... and I sort of expected you comment on it due to her being one of your main suspects. But you didn't.

I'm more interested in competing trains between the Shad and Crusher than I am going on a crusade against Alanna.

Besides I feel a little better about her now. She was kind of snarky and combative earlier in the game but I think maybe she just needed a little sleep.

She seems ok now.

[Kivam]

 

@ kivam

 

 

 

[v]players name[/v]

 

Unvotes are not required, you may self vote and you may vote No Lynch.

 

Character/role claims are allowed, mafia will have fake claims.

 

 

 

 

LOL.  Good answer.

 

Seems entirely redundant when we all have the names of Forsaken-to-be.  I mean seriously, what character could they be given for real that they'd even need a fake claim for?

 

[Clovdyx]

[v]Crusher[/v]

 

I'm ~semi caught up, will respond to important stuff in a bit, but to answer your poem Calder - I doing my weekly end-of-work session at the bar.  Then modding :P

[BFG]

Official VC 1.16

Shad (4): Dice, Zander, Calder, AJ

Crusher (5): Kivam, Nyn, Shad, Nolder, Clov

Kivam (1): Crusher

 

Not voting (3): Hallia, Thane, Laine

 

 

In the event of a tie in the voting, the person lynched will be randed between the tied players

 

 

 

 

 

Official VC 1.15

Shad (4): Dice, Zander, Calder, AJ

Hallia (1): Clov

Crusher (4): Kivam, Nyn, Shad, Nolder

Kivam (1): Crusher

 

Not voting (3): Hallia, Thane, Laine

 

 

In the event of a tie in the voting, the person lynched will be randed between the tied players

[v]Crusher[/v]

 

I'm ~semi caught up, will respond to important stuff in a bit, but to answer your poem Calder - I doing my weekly end-of-work session at the bar.  Then modding :P

 

[BFG]

Ok, really off now. Will see you all in a few hours

[Shad_]

Ollie's been up at the in-laws for the past three days while I'm painting the place and one of his aunts just posted this on Facebook.

 

 

 

 

 

 

My wife wasn't planning to come back until Saturday but I called her up and demanded she come back tomorrow.  Baby withdrawal is a for real.

[Shad_]

Also back-ish, kind of, sort of.  Really want to finally finish Lord of Chaos tonight and still get to bed at a decent hour but I will refresh periodically.

[Andrej]

First paragraph, 1) I've yet to see anyone actually bring up my points and agree or disagree with them.  You are someone I kind of rely on as town to consider the substance of my argument carefully.  Your town game tends to have an investigative phase followed by concrete convictions.  I feel like you're skipping the former here and you're not barreling all out into the latter either.  If you are town you owe it to us to consider whether my points are right or not, not just suss me because it was... too dense?  Not astute?  I'm not sure where this comes from.

 

2) Red is more what troubles me here though, because it doesn't jive with your meta on me.  You are worried about a negative agenda but you see me do this as town constantly.  I asked Verbal questions like this when I was like 90% sure he'd been cop viewed to be scum.  I threw Laine a lot of lifelines in SW while I was drilling her into the ground.  I even joked about how Kiv would hate me for it when we town together in PF scum QT.  I want to know the honest thoughts of someone who may soon be a muted confirmed town, and I want to force a potential scum to lie more and maybe slip up--reveal himself further or potentially townspew someone.

 

3) Why does me asking Crusher who he thinks we should target next while I'm considering voting him bother you?

 

1) Tbh I have sort of glossed over the argument because while I read it my eyes started to glaze. Call it laziness on my part if you'd like, but it is what it is. Generally speaking I think Calder handled it much better and without reading anything specifically I think the way you went about making these lengthy posts characterizing the argument as scummy come across as overdone. It seemed to me you were trying very hard to paint Calder into a scummy corner as if it were the sole conclusion without acknowledging that it could've been a difference in opinion or maybe your initial reaction to the whole thing was actually bad, which I stated a while back when I called it lame.

 

2) I don't really recall any of this stuff off the top of my head, so I think your expectation about what I should know about you is a bit unrealistic. From memory, the best townie game I have on you is Belicheat and I don't particularly remember you doing anything like that as lynches were forming.

 

3) It's more about the implication of what could be TMI. You said at first you don't think Crusher looks that scummy, then when you started to consider voting him you begin to question him as if he were a townie and you knew as much. That is an issue for me and I don't think it's a hard conclusion to come to so I don't really understand your hang up.

 

We have thought each other are scum for awhile now, so any little post either of us makes is more likely to seem scummy than if someone else had said the same thing. 

 

Looking at it in a vacuum (as best I can) the only truly troubling aspect is that you said you would be open to lynching Crusher, but I read that post as you feeling the opposite about him. That I didn't like. The rest is theorizing/bc it was Kivam who asked. Because if you were lynched and flipped scum than Kivam would be my top suspect. He has twice now challenged my stance on you. The first more subtly by saying it was unlikely to lead to a lynch and I should pack it in. Therefore, it does bother me to have known he would look worse if you flipped scum to then see you specifically take the time to make it known that if Crusher is town than neither Kivam or Nyn look that bad. Just feels like another connection.

 

Pretty good insight here. If Calder makes this post as scum then my hat is tipped to him.

 

I actually don't hate this post.

 

You shouldn't.

 

fwiw treating people I think are scum as town is pretty normal for me.  I would say ask AJ

 

Also the way you're questioning Crusher here about where to go next if he flips town as you seemingly gear up to vote him makes me uneasy.

 

Hence why I hate this comment.

 

Fwiw, I think you're vastly overestimating how much I remember about players. I would say I have general meta on those I play with frequently, and at times can recall very specific things, but in this case I don't.

 

O Cloveo, Cloveo! Wherefore art thou Cloveo?

Deny thy father and refuse thy name

Or, if thou will not, be but sworn my love

And I'll no longer be a Capulet.

 

(as long as we don't try to get our license in Kentucky)

 

Funny, but I was actually thinking the same thing as I read.

 

"Thread needs some Clov in it right about now"

 

 

 

 

I'm going to be a little bothered that it was so easy for mafia to sit back in this exchange and let it happen.

 

TMI?

 

Meh. Could see this going either way tbh.

 

Shad - it's posts like from Calder that which make me think you and calder have been town on town. Frankly, nobody who's played with me before would look at the interactions between me and you and go "teammates", but it reads genuine coming from calder. You've both had things that pinned me, but not enough for me to vote either of you today.

 

Suggest you move your vote, considering you're on the block and voting somewhere that looks to have no chance of happening today

 

Considering Calder's observation, this does look remarkably like coaching ITT. Generally I feel alright about you though, Kivam, and I would say that your tendency to sort of "preach" things is probably normal. I agree that Calder's post seem like genuine thought processes.

 

I need to decide who you people would all be if you were characters in a movie. 

 

I would probably be Hamish from Braveheart. Or that salty Sergeant Major from We Were Soldiers.

 

When I'll get older, I can be Freddy Cougar. It's gonna be great.

 

Rawr. Probably one of my favorite kinds of people, ftr.

 

Grasping at straws for what?  I am trying to figure out which of the votes on me are wolves.  Dice's vote feels pure enough.  I think Calder is scum.  Decent chance either you or AJ are but probably not both.  AJ promised me a response and I resolved my earlier bad feelings about him on ISO.  You are a bit of a mystery.  So answer my question: why did you reinterpret it as scum attacking you instead of scum joking with you?

 

Does anyone voting you necessarily have to be scum? I disagree on Calder at this point. If you're town I may consider it more, but I think he handled the situation between the two of you much better. Zander I'm still sort of undecided on but he may be an associative town read of mine pending further info.

[Andrej]

Lord of Chaos is awesome, btw. Enjoy it.

 

And that's one cute kid man, congrats.

 

I'll be back later after grabbing a bite at a place around the block.

[alannalynn]

 

In spoiler because mehh lots of quotes, don't wanna crowd things up.

Read up to the top of pg10 for now, so this is what I have so far.

Few questions within (Shad, Calder, Clov, Andrej)

 

 

 

 

Here. As I said, limited me until Thursday. Possibly no me until Thursday. I will do my best. I've now been awake for like 35 hours straight and won't be sleeping for another 8-9.

Alanna tired y'all

#helpme

Alanna's playing to her scum meta here.

 

 

 

Rage will be worth it.

 

 

? Unfortunately though, the last two(?) games I've been scum in, I was horribly behind all of d1. I think I'm getting into terrible habits in general though

 

"I hope she's not keeping quiet because she's afraid I'm high-tuned to her scum game."

:rolleyes:

 

 

[v]Calder[/v]

Scum.

 

Too easy probably, but it crossed my mind.

This post really pinged me when I read it and the followup is "meh"....

Oh hey this isn't actually your first mafia game.

^

 

Calder's post #45 doesn't make sense to me. I don't think that post was meant as a soft defense. If we're going by Shad thinking this was your first game, I can see where it crosses a player's mind that newbies roll scum (are we looking at the same OP?) But at the same time, I'm not sure I believe that, due to your comfortability in the sign up thread or your OP. Shad is more observant than this unless he didn't really read any of it and took comfortability as a matter of course. Shad's first game was very ~odd in that he seemed more experienced that he should have been and many assumed mafia (coaching).

 

That being said, not sure I'm feeling the "half-hearted defense" angle that Calder takes. But this post is believable, as well as Shad's followup on post 54 (it lines up with my train of thought above about him not reading- how much merit is there to this?). His dodging posts don't do him any favors though, but I'm not sure that's within his mafia meta.

 

 

Lol. Damn phone. Response went into the quote section. So repeated below (shortened):

My issue is that it has the feel of a post that doesnt need to be made. It is game related, but says nothing and means little. So why post it if ur town?

Its the scum "hey guys im active post."

 

Interesting.  Would you expect scum to post read-related fluff right off the bat?

Feels slightly defensive, but I can see Shad saying this as town to get a read on Calder, especially now knowing he's experienced.

 

I'm probably going to regret this, but I've got Calder as reasonable town right now.  I don't hate the reasoning for his initial push against Shad at all, and his response to Shad's question wasn't wrong IMO.

 

Gutread on Shad was just barely above rand for mafia after Calder's point, and #50 sounded like he was trying too hard to appear not concerned, but #54 is plausible enough to keep him null at this point.

Clov, first sentence worries me, second confuses me, and last bit had me nodding my head along.

 

 

 

I'm probably going to regret this, but I've got Calder as reasonable town right now.  I don't hate the reasoning for his initial push against Shad at all, and his response to Shad's question wasn't wrong IMO.

 

Gutread on Shad was just barely above rand for mafia after Calder's point, and #50 sounded like he was trying too hard to appear not concerned, but #54 is plausible enough to keep him null at this point.

Not bad.

 

Tbh I was sort of intrigued by Shad's initial response to my vote because I didn't actually have a reason for it. His explanation in misunderstanding that Calder isn't new was plausible at the least.

 

Calder's push back was alright. I like that he noted Shad's +1 although I hadn't specified anything but he seems experienced enough to be able to play the POV game. His response to my vote was null but there was nothing really to respond to. I just wanted to see how he'd react early on since he's new to me.

 

 

Townie post

 

 

 

 

 

 

I literally cannot wait to watch these two interact.

YESSSSS

 

Hah.

 

You made 2 nonchalant posts (46 and 50), which i have been criticizing. So your post again is worthless.

 

Also you have only asked one significant question and i answered that you were leading and it was a WIFOM question with no answer.

Question: Can you see a villager being nonchalant about pressure in an attempt to diffuse pressure?

 

Andrej being helpful townie and preaching. Fos

I take this back reading in context. Andrej looking good ITT

 

The fact he's being helpful means ~nothing towards his alignment.  AJ is a very good player so I don't think he's incapable of making that post as mafia at all.  I think Mafia!AJ would probably WANT a bunch of early fakepeeks, since they (theoretically) would have a lower likeliness of being accurate and that helps narrow the NK poe, but I don't think he's going to come in and recommend it - especially when a handful of us recently played with him in the same setup when he waited to post a peek for accuracy reasons.  He was town, and I'm positive he's smart enough to know the sudden change of heart would stand out.

 

That being said, I don't see how it would ever warrant a FoS.  I'm giving him 0 towncred for trying to be helpful, but I don't see a reasonable argument why anybody would suspect him for being mafia for it.

Anyways... I said this post was odd because it just popped out of nowhere. My Fos was not serious, my subsequent post towards Clov about the seriousness of my post was also not serious. So, I found this post of his to be out of place because it doesn't match up with the attitude that I was presenting ITT at that point, which was something similar to exhausted playful indifference?

 

Kiv is right in #127

I only just understood Clov's post #128... I literally asked for him to decide it for me then called him out for explaining. OMG wow I'm sorry dear LOL My point above still mostly(?) stands though, maybe except for the first line

 

I also concede my points on Andrej that I made about his posts (p7)

 

#143 Shad, do you think Calder being sure you are mafia and not allowing for a town alternative is motivated by town or mafia thinking? 

 

#151 interesting from Zander: this would destroy the credibility that Shad just missed the Calder-talk

 

#157 from Shad... I think I would like this post better if you straight up answered the accusation instead of brushing it off again. You're a little sloppy this game Also, no more quote pyramids. They suck.

 

 

 

So far I like Zander, Clov, Andrej for the most part. Wary of Calder. Iffy on Shad. What I'm getting caught up with irt Shad is how he was in Pulp Fiction. It was a gut feel that he was mafia, but on the thread itself he was pretty clean. So here and now, I'm not getting that same gut feel, but it appears he's getting tripped up in the thread. Maybe things will clear up a little bit better when I read some more though?

 

I also get this weird feeling that all that's been talked about d1 is Shad. If he turns out to be our lynch and flips town, I'm going to be a little bothered that it was so easy for mafia to sit back in this exchange and let it happen. Basically, I want to see some pressure happen in other areas too :)

 

TMI? 

 

How so, Shad?

 

 

 

 

-snip-

 

1) I'm not actually playing, that's probably what's sketching you out. I'm gonna pull a Crusher and float until endgame on jokes

 

-snip-

 

2) re: 132 on Clov's reaction to me FOSing Andrej.. idk I didn't really expect him to jump in and call out my FOS on Andrej's meta with such a post.

 

 

3)

On the note of me being preachy and helpful, I talked early game strat in Belicheat where Laine was a wolf so she definitely knows at the least I would do it as town.

 

Sort of bugged how she threw mud then backed off immediately when the accusation wasn't even an accurate one.

You realize I wasn't serious, right?

 

I'm personally a tad bit... idk curious(?) about this post being 30 minutes after your initial post saying I'm "sketching you out". I'm not sure if it's the wording, or the time frame (ie you bringing it back up to keep me in the spotlight) or what. I can't say it's anything I'm overly bothered about and maybe the feeling will pass in the morning.

 

1) I wouldn't count on it, chica

 

2) Except your meta on me wasn't even correct. You've seen me do it as both alignments so characterizing it only as part of a scum game isn't accurate. Weren't you joking anyway?

 

3) No, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up again. What does the timing have to do with anything? I was mulling over what I thought about you and realized I had done so recently in a game as town and thought that you should be aware of that. It's sort of my job to bring stuff to the spotlight that I find inaccurate or false - so I don't see the point there either. Do you expect me to let you falsely represent me and NOT say anything about it?

 

 

 

 

I guess because I didn't take Laine's FOS post seriously I thought it a bit sketchy that AJ did and eventually reached a wtl on her.  Rereading I can't really hate AJ here.  Red crossed my mind too.  And for me it's not a feeling that Laine tried to push AJ and backed away when it failed.  I do believe it was a joke.  It's how Laine dealt with being questioned about it that comes off kind of weird.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact he's being helpful means ~nothing towards his alignment. AJ is a very good player so I don't think he's incapable of making that post as mafia at all. I think Mafia!AJ would probably WANT a bunch of early fakepeeks, since they (theoretically) would have a lower likeliness of being accurate and that helps narrow the NK poe, but I don't think he's going to come in and recommend it - especially when a handful of us recently played with him in the same setup when he waited to post a peek for accuracy reasons. He was town, and I'm positive he's smart enough to know the sudden change of heart would stand out.

 

That being said, I don't see how it would ever warrant a FoS. I'm giving him 0 towncred for trying to be helpful, but I don't see a reasonable argument why anybody would suspect him for being mafia for it.

 

This. I'm assuming that was a joke post from Laine, because otherwise the thoughtprocess of "only scum AJ tries to be helpful" would make no sense at all.

 

ding ding ding! Though I have told Andrej he comes off very helpful townie as mafia before. He's also an overall nice guy.. so not really alignment indicative *shrug* His wolf doesn't show this early anyways lol and I'd be the biggest fool to think I could read, well, pretty much anyone ever.

 

 

 

 

AJ left this part of the post out, but red feels awkward to me.

 

 

 

 

Andrej being helpful townie and preaching. Fos

I take this back reading in context. Andrej looking good ITT

 

 

 

 

And then this, I don't know what there is to "take back". Laine had been characterizing it as a joke.

 

I'll grant that she made a joke. It didn't come off well. The problem about the whole thing is that once she took some heat for it she started waffling in whether she should continue to treat it as a joke or roll with 'it was a serious suss but I changed my mind'.

 

I don't know if it all should really bother me or if this is just nitpicking.  At any rate I don't feel bad about AJ sussing her at this point.  Laine, thoughts?

Underlined: From my experience Andrej plays up his town game as mafia, but he's not a "lynch d1" scum because he doesn't slip up so soon, if at all. I'm actually pretty comfortable with him from what I've read of the game so far. The second part of what you highlighted is a continuing joke about how awful  my reads are in mafia. I think the only time I've ever accurately read someone is as cop and with a guilty. I would refer you to my siggy if you want to understand the joke. lol

 

That last section, you're reading my intention of that statement wrong. My original statement was that my fos was a joke. Reading the actual thread made me realize the first part of that statement was false as well. That's what I get for stupid sleepy skimming.

 

I'm still missing a lot of sections in this thread and I know I'm not going to be able to catch up like I need to before deadline. I remember that Calder posted some things that I wanted to respond to, so I need to go back to that.

[Hallia]

o.o Page 42?  Catching up from 26 v.v'

[Clovdyx]

All right, just re-read the last 14 pages.  Thought about doing a bunch of quotes to everything that stood out to me, but I decided against it.  Short version:

 

-I am never lynching Nyn this game.  I think she's gone about pressuring her reads and bringing up posts exactly how I would expect her to.  I've said in previous games that her town meta is to be a freaking wolverine.  My biggest knock on her game is that she can kinda fail to adjust her reads as the game goes on, but the upside to that is she pressures the hell out of people.  Her approach to Shad, and later Crusher, are well in line with this.  One thing that stood out to me:

 

Your feeling is wrong. Finish catching up.

 

Absolutely gorgeous tone in this post.  Content wise, it really doesn't mean anything (it was in reply to Alanna saying she felt everything was about Shad)...but it's just sounds like a completely genuine reaction.  

 

-I would be pleasantly surprised if AJ is mafia this game.  I think he's a very good player, but I think he's playing a pretty solid game.  I didn't agree with his point on Shad's question to Crusher - I think Shad's question could very realistically come from a townie - but I think AJ could reasonably interpret that way as town.  His follow up about in the top post of this page shows that he wants his point to be understood.  His question to Shad about whether somebody voting him has to be mafia was something I thought of as well (for the record, if Shad IS town, I would be shocked if there isn't a mafia vote on Shad)

 

-Pretty confident that Kivam is town.  I'm not nearly as sold on him as I am Nyn or AJ, but I've seen Kivam twice as mafia (not including TUS), and both times I wanted to kill him immediately.  I don't feel the same kind of...sliminess?... this game from him.  Most of his posts to Calder today makes me think he's actually trying to get his points understood and figure out where Calder is coming from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 don't have strong feelings either way on shad. Most of what he's done plays from both a town and a scum perspective. But the towniest thing he's done all day, imo was that post to crusher that Calder took as scummy


2 high, obviously - since I'm voting Crusher, and he's voting me

If you don't have a read on Shad either way than why did you try to dissuade me from my push on Shad earlier? I mean if you don't have a read on him then why would you care?

Especially considering your point that there would not be enough support has been proven iffy at best, considering Shad has the most votes.

Seriously, wth is this post about?

1) i don't think Shad is particularly scummy, so why would i support lynching him?

2) i never tried to dissuade you from pushing shad. IIRC (posting from mobile), you asked why people weren't jumping on the case you were making and i said i didn't find it compelling and doubted others did given their silence. I also said pretty clearly "but maybe I'll be proven wrong by future events". I'm not sure whether the late additions to shad were convinced by your argument or something else, and i don't really care since while i do have an ego, beingright or wrong on this issue doesn't really impact it.

Honestly, I'd be scum reading you for the garbage you've been pushing lately if not for the fact that your tunnel on shad reads genuine.

On the other hand, since you're representing yourself as the type of player who'd expect scum to defend scum, it's possible this tunnel is just a soft defense of crusher. Interested to see how this looks on reread and after a flip or two

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crush, who would you have us look at besides Kiv and Nyn if you flip town? Because I don't exactly feel like a town flip from you would look terrible for them under the circumstances.

Yep. Hate this post. Back to [v]Shad[/v].

 
Why do you hate that post, Calder?

Several posts before he expressed a willingness to join the Crusher lynch. But, then this question doesn't read to me as if he suspects him. It really concerns me that he is trying to line up someone for tomorrow to lynch once Crusher flips town, under the guise that its a strong case bc Crusher (may he rest in peace) also suspected him.

He also hasn't been on Crusher much before this. He is just joining and to post this doesn't feel like he believes he is scum. So why the willingness to lynch him?

 

 

I don't like this post from you, tbh.  At best its reflective of confirmation bias, since that question could easily come from a townie who doesn't have a clue which way the player they're willing to vote will flip.  I think Crush is scum, but this is a D1 call so the odds that I'm wrong are pretty damn good.  Shad pointing out that Crush flipping town isn't necessarily damning for me and Nyn is actually the exact opposite of trying to line someone up for a lynch, and if Crusher is town then having his reads would be a useful point for townies to consider.

 

All in all, this post from you was awful.