[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Catch up WoT later. And hello. Zander's here? What about the other early morning people?

what happened to your fixation on hydras?

[Kivam]

Yes, that's his first post. Now looking for follow through

 

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[dicetosser1]

 

That was around 8.40am my time and I needed to get to work, I've since been out all day/evening

 

Well you've been back for a bit to catch up on the thread and you're still going with WoT "here are my reads" catch-ups rather than presenting your reads as they come in and interacting with people around in a meaningful way

 

Back in the day Despot told me something about reading you through how you present your WoTs and discuss but I don't remember what he said

 

And I feel like that's not really even your villager style nowadays anyway

 

 

Strongly disagree. Her Wots are what I use to read her on

 

cory caboose 70 Zander 59 Sili Quirrels 55 Kivam 53 wish-tree 47 Nynaeve 40 Shad_ 35 Clovdyx 27 Hallia 27 Yates 24 Kaylee 22 Misheru 22 Lenlo 21 seph 20 alannalynn 18 Songstress 18 Talya 17 Darthe 17 keyholder21 12 Andrej 11 BFG 10 Razen 10 Celeste 9 WWWwombat 5 Nolder 4 Beck 3 dicetosser1 1

 

 

T_T

 

 

Dont start this crud again! ESPECIALLY with sili and cory in the game! 

[dicetosser1]

ok  so i just power read the rest of the game   need to digest it tho.  So im goin to bed and hoping theres not 30 pages to read when i wake up

[Sili Quirrels]

690 - that's neither emo nor AtE. It's not wanting to get sucked into a meaningless back and forth where the only point i can make is "you're wrong". There's no real utility in repeating that over and over, no matter how true it is. But you tell me - what would/should TownKiv do to respond to someone who is misreading his subjective intent? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Your reads are not progressing, nor are you making my job easier.

 

I do not know what 'subjective' content is. Fact is, one way or another, you misrepresented me. If you believe otherwise, you should be broadcasting your case.

 

Furthermore it is incorrect to presume a conversation is meaningless because you don't like the topic.

[Sili Quirrels]

Dice seems energetic.

[Cory Caboose]

 

I woke up early because I had a nightmare that Hallia was mafia

Ha! I was coming in to post that I had a nightmare last night [this morning?] that the scum team was you, Hally, Nyn, and Thane and everyone got mad at me post game for calling you guys Town and losing the game and I felt terrible about it.I'm telling you that if Thane replaces in to this game I'm turbo lynching that slot just to be safe.

Thane is our GOAT deep wolf

 

So deep you don't even know he's here!!!!

[Cory Caboose]

Dice BFG's villager game is much different than it used to be

 

Maybe you haven't noticed cause she's been too busy owning your soul :P

 

But her average post count has skyrocketed and she's several times more open and confident in her reads

[michellem]

 

 

 

Nyn - what about Kivam's content did you not like?

What caught my eye at first was the way he was supporting Laine's hydra hate campaign. Some others agreed with her as well (like Zander, wind and so on), but he went about it differently. Obviously I think the whole theory is a bunch of BS because it's 100% arbitrary (oh look, I used percentage so it must be true!). But the way he was trying to make it more than what it is, using mathematical certainty, reeks.

 

I didn't realize at that point that he and Mish are hydra, and I kinda liked how she was standing her ground, but looking at the interaction between them now... it looks awkward. I mean, sure, she gets defensive at anything. But then he explains to her how it totally does make sense (which it doesn't)... and she bows to his everlasting wisdom and backs off? Considering how strongly she felt about the entire thing? Feels off.

 

But what really struck a chord with me was his reasoning for voting Pral. He dismissed my comments about it, but it's right there. He was trying to misrep Pral. It's great that he only played with him as scum.... but he can't make an accusation based on meta if he doesn't know Pral's overall meta. His responses ranged between.... oh I only played with him as scum so that's all I know.... to him claiming that his vote was just made for reaction since Pral hasn't checked in yet. Which I don't really buy. He could have dropped a nudge vote for activity rather than use a bogus meta reason for that vote.

So, if I'm getting this right, you think that Kivam's comment is off because 1) he 'convinced' Mish to agree with supporting Laine, and 2) he used a meta reason for voting Pral, but the meta reason wasn't even accurate because it's limited to Kivam's knowledge of Pral's meta, which is why it's limited.

 

 

Sweet and to the point

 

- Kivam is not a newbie. He knows that meta encompasses both town and scum games. Him trying to claim that Pral lurking = ScumPral is a misrep. I'm not buying that it's all he knew so it makes it okay to use it.

 

- Kivam didn't just agree with Laine's approach, he tried to solidify it with more BS. His interaction with Mish is more a feel thing and prolly less important. But it's kinda unusual for her to just yield like that, imo. This, however is entirely subjective and more of a gut thing.

 

 

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Kivam gave me a telling off in our QT too, not just on thread. He's offered to mentor me a bit since I told him I'm nervous with such a big game and being so rusty. I know he's a way more experienced and wayyyyyy better player than I am, so I decided to follow his advice.

 

This shouldn't be that hard to figure out, really...

 

 

It was too big apparently

 

 

 

 

I don't get what you mean?

 

That was to Shad, btw.

 

My point was instead of viewing someone as scummy for dropping a bogus vote they can potentially sit on, you should wait and see who's sitting on bogus votes.

 

 its in the 20's and your vote is still on us?  seems like a bit of hypocrisy 

 

 

 

 

I think the spoiler tags got messed up... Anyway, I find what Seph pointed out about Shad VERY interesting and it bothers me that I missed it myself. Lecturing others while doing the same thing yourself. He's still sitting on that vote.  [unvote] [v] Shad[/v]

 

 

Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

 

I am deadly offended, and I expect a huge amount of flowers and chocolate to make up for it

[Cory Caboose]

Mish I woud vastly, vastly prefer the game seen through your specific lens and not your take filtered through someone else's opinion and/or needless QT "telling offs" of you

[Cory Caboose]

Just sounds rude

[Darthe]

Mish I woud vastly, vastly prefer the game seen through your specific lens and not your take filtered through someone else's opinion and/or needless QT "telling offs" of you

How do you come up with **** like this?

[michellem]

Aw thanks honey, but it's not rude when I asked for his honest opinion about my game.

[michellem]

 

Mish I woud vastly, vastly prefer the game seen through your specific lens and not your take filtered through someone else's opinion and/or needless QT "telling offs" of you

How do you come up with **** like this?

 

 

Cause he loves me. You're just jealous.

[Zander?]

 

 

Ahem? Yates

I will fight you. I don't care.

 

Also, what do you think of Nyn vs Kivish?

You would lose to a girl and I would laugh at you as you crawled away.

Nothing as of yet, I'm not caught up. I think Nyn is a nice enough lady though.

 

 

 

K. Get caught up and get back to me. I'm going to hit the showers. Maybe stretch a bit just in case you try to Kato me. I'll leave my webcam on to prove self defense and just trust that you all won't watch like pervs...

 

 

i love you guys!!!!

[Darthe]

Hi DM Mafia crowd! Since wish tree and I are new to this site we came up with questions to get a feel of how you play.

 

1) Which alignment do you prefer?

2) Do you like to work alone, or with a team?

3) How will you make an impact on this game?

4) Do you like gambits or prefer to play it safe?

5) How much experience do you have playing Mafia, and what do you know about the other players?

6) Do you prefer to use the terms town/scum or villager/wolf?

3p, Town then wolf though I'll miss one if I haven't been it in a while

Team, even if they don't know we aren't really teammates

I'll catch a lot of townies and a couple of wolves by picking up on little details like phrasing etc. Basically I know what I'm looking for at this point.

Lolgambit

I'm a champion and I know nothing

Either

[Zander?]

 

prolly a few more then that....

 

again with these types of comments!!!

 

this emo, AtE type comments are not a good look for you man.

I don't even know what to think. Kivam dropped me off a cliff.

 

 

i think hes a wolf.

 

 

690 - that's neither emo nor AtE. It's not wanting to get sucked into a meaningless back and forth where the only point i can make is "you're wrong". There's no real utility in repeating that over and over, no matter how true it is. But you tell me - what would/should TownKiv do to respond to someone who is misreading his subjective intent? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

be towny and hunt wolves

 

 

690 - that's neither emo nor AtE. It's not wanting to get sucked into a meaningless back and forth where the only point i can make is "you're wrong". There's no real utility in repeating that over and over, no matter how true it is. But you tell me - what would/should TownKiv do to respond to someone who is misreading his subjective intent? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Your reads are not progressing, nor are you making my job easier.

 

I do not know what 'subjective' content is. Fact is, one way or another, you misrepresented me. If you believe otherwise, you should be broadcasting your case.

 

Furthermore it is incorrect to presume a conversation is meaningless because you don't like the topic.

 

 

this ^^^^

 

 

and finally..... [v] Kish Hydra [/v]

[Shad_]

Morning!  Not quite so far behind this time.  Picking up on p28

[alannalynn]

I can't keep my eyes open to read this. Y'all are gonna have to wait until my weekend starts for me to get solid responses in, but I promise it'll be worth it. <3

[Yates]

But you tell me - what would/should TownKiv do to respond to someone who is misreading his subjective intent?

This isn't a courtroom, Matlock. This is a mafia game. That said; subjective intent prevails notwithstanding objective manifestations only if the personal meaning is known to the other party.

[Nynaeve]

Just FYI, I'll only be able to catch up in the evening when I get home. Haven't even had time to do cell catch ups :/

[Yates]

what happened to your fixation on hydras?

What is your intent with this? I'm still eating breakfast so I may be missing something.

[michellem]

 

But you tell me - what would/should TownKiv do to respond to someone who is misreading his subjective intent?

This isn't a courtroom, Matlock. This is a mafia game. That said; subjective intent prevails notwithstanding objective manifestations only if the personal meaning is known to the other party.

 

 

The only word I understood here was "personal" and "party". Having a good time with yourself today Yates? ;D

 

 

 

 

Considering how big this game is, there's a suprisingly small amount of talk... I really would've expected something else to happen by now. Why is so many laying low and being careful?

[Cory Caboose]

Why is so many laying low and being careful?

 

Gimme some names

[Zander?]

 

what happened to your fixation on hydras?

What is your intent with this? I'm still eating breakfast so I may be missing something.

 

 

SHARE THE BACON!!!!