Psycho - A Sketchy SK Event is Over

[Red2111]

up to page 4, still catching up  but seen enough to

 

[v]Clov[/v]

 

you're hella-scummy man

 

 

 

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  On 3/1/2015 at 4:42 PM, Clovdyx said:

[v]##Ithi[/v]

 

Bad reaction to a question that was probably mostly in jest, given where we're at.

 

opportunisitc imo

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:45 PM, Clovdyx said:

I think Dice is highly likely to be town.  RTE to a lesser degree

 

RTE and Dice had like one post, and you yourself said that Dice's posts was likely a vote.  i dont get how you can clear them off of this.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:53 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:51 PM, Ithillian said:

Then why do you think he's more likely to be Mafia than Dice?

 

Because Dice's comment towards sounds incredibly genuine to me, and I'm not sure he's make it as scum.  Everyone is more likely to be mafia than Dice to me right now.

 

 

not even half the players have checked in, and aside from Dice's joking and your back and forther tango with Ithi its been "hit & run" i'm here, posts. 

 

yet your lawkclearing Dice and saying that a joke sounds "incredibly genuine" 

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:59 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:55 PM, Ithillian said:

It be like, 'oh noes (or muahahaha depending on the person) I'm Mafia in this game. I need to post something in the game before people get suspicious of me for not posting. I'll make sure it's funny so everyone laughs and doesn't think I'm mafia'

 

Or sommat like that.

 

So far Dice and RTE have come in with a bit of a giggle. Makes my eyes look like this >.> at them.

 

Then we'll agree to disagree.  I think both, though Dice moreso, came in and showed a relative level of ease in getting involved.  That's typically a good thing, since townies don't really have to worry about being self-conscious or revealing too much info - they don't HAVE any thing to hide or give up.

 

Not saying scum aren't capable of faking it, but I'm not going to overthink it or be extremely paranoid when half the game hasn't checked in.

 

 

i wouldn't call a joke getting involved.  and making lawls in mafia is one of the easiest ways for scum to be "involved" in the game.

 

bold - is just to highlight his opportunistic nature with Dice.

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:52 PM, Sooh said:

Well this is a lovely mess already... There are a few things to be noticed, but not much to me just yet. That may or may not be my lack of experience playing this game speaking...

 

So far Dice came in swinging high from the get-go, which I assume he would have done regardless of his affiliation, so not much there. RTE is poking people's buttons apparently, to get a reaction and gets it big time from Ithillian, and then Clovdy jumps right back at that, as if waiting for someone to launch at... My vote shall have to wait a tad longer...

 

i'm giving you a light FoS (Finger of Suspicion)

 

1st because you're reminding everyone you've never played before and also because instead of posting your thoughts you summarize events..

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 3:09 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 9:36 AM, dicetosser1 said:

First!

 

 

Vote #AJ  Im not mafia for once in a Darthe game so he MUST be!

Interesting.

 

In what Darthe games have you been Mafia?

 

 

Most.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

 

really hard to do anything else if noones around turin.

 

theres something about this post thats bugging me. it feels off. and its not that he missed ley cause i didnt notice that til clov bought it up either. it feels like a "lets look another way" post but its so early in the game it could be for legitimate reasons.

 

 

ping on Dice.

 

i find it off that you dont comment at all about Colv clearing and defending you.

 

 

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from clov but the stamp got erased

 

*snip*

 

Do you think we're looking at a Dice/RTE/Tress scumteam?  Or two of them with one as a SK?

why would you group the two people your clearing as anti-town?  this sentence is just off

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:37 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:29 PM, Ithillian said:

My first thought when Tress posted that me and Turin are always Town was that she was firefighting for RTE because his post had caught my attention. There was no need for her to post anything defending ish about what he said - and people who back up other people in this game always have an ulterior motive.

 

Like you saying Dice is the most Town. Why would you say that? You said he sounded genuine but it's just words on a page.

 

So I don't trust any of you at all.

 

Also you're asking me if there's a Dice/RTE/Tress Mafia team out there, do you actually suspect any of them?

 

Bold - no.  Just.  No.

 

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, why would I say Dice is the most likely to be town?  Because that's how this game is played.  You post your reads so people can evaluate your mindset, and in turn, you judge their mindsets from what they post.  I've given my take on his tone - if you disagree, then that's fine, but state that.

 

I certainly don't suspect Dice or RTE.  Tress would be a weak scumread at this point, because she's just made some sideline snipes without getting involved.  I've seen her be REALLY painfully obvious town before, so if she's not doing that, I'll assume she isn't.  

 

 

But I didn't ask that because it was my thoughts - I asked because I'm trying to figure out your's.  If you're just going to make those little "pokes" at everybody, I'm never going to be able to figure out your reads, and it makes me think you don't want to townread people.  So I'm trying to figure out what you actually think.

 

 

right you clear people because of how they react to actual game content.  thats not what you did with Dice (and RTE to a lesser extent)  you arbitrarily cleared them and started defending Dice outright by attacking Ithi.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:41 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:37 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:29 PM, Ithillian said:

My first thought when Tress posted that me and Turin are always Town was that she was firefighting for RTE because his post had caught my attention. There was no need for her to post anything defending ish about what he said - and people who back up other people in this game always have an ulterior motive.

 

Like you saying Dice is the most Town. Why would you say that? You said he sounded genuine but it's just words on a page.

 

So I don't trust any of you at all.

 

Also you're asking me if there's a Dice/RTE/Tress Mafia team out there, do you actually suspect any of them?

 

Bold - no.  Just.  No.

 

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, why would I say Dice is the most likely to be town?  Because that's how this game is played.  You post your reads so people can evaluate your mindset, and in turn, you judge their mindsets from what they post.  I've given my take on his tone - if you disagree, then that's fine, but state that.

 

I certainly don't suspect Dice or RTE.  Tress would be a weak scumread at this point, because she's just made some sideline snipes without getting involved.  I've seen her be REALLY painfully obvious town before, so if she's not doing that, I'll assume she isn't.  

 

 

But I didn't ask that because it was my thoughts - I asked because I'm trying to figure out your's.  If you're just going to make those little "pokes" at everybody, I'm never going to be able to figure out your reads, and it makes me think you don't want to townread people.  So I'm trying to figure out what you actually think.

 

I've never understood how Townreading is possible.

 

it is possible ... but i think Colv is faking it to gain town cred so he looks like he's trying to solve the game

 

 

[Clovdyx]

Red, 

 

Two questions.

 

1) Opportunistic how?  Do you feel I'm incredibly wrong to find her reaction to RTE bad, and more importantly, am I wrong to push someone for a bad reaction?

2) Where did I say he was "lockclear".  I said highly likely.  Those two are not the same thing, and you know that.

 

You'll also get your answer to the grouping question when you read up more.  

[Clovdyx]

Red making up "facts" to fit her opinion is probably a good sign, in some weird, twisted way, though.

[Andrej]

Basically.

 

I think we're just waiting on Pralaya and Heartlight now. I'm gonna judge their OPs the hardest.

 

No pressure guys

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 4:47 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 3:26 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

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  On 3/2/2015 at 12:55 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 9:36 AM, dicetosser1 said:

First!

 

 

Vote #AJ  Im not mafia for once in a Darthe game so he MUST be!

 

But if you aren't, then I can't be either!

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:45 PM, Clovdyx said:

I think Dice is highly likely to be town.  RTE to a lesser degree

 

I agree with Dice. Not so much with RTE - I'll need some time and content to flesh him out, but he's usually a hard read for me as it is.

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:26 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

 

Bit dramatic. It's a Sunday after all (and I'm even working )

 

Not a bad response to the question imo.

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:52 PM, Sooh said:

Well this is a lovely mess already... There are a few things to be noticed, but not much to me just yet. That may or may not be my lack of experience playing this game speaking...

 

So far Dice came in swinging high from the get-go, which I assume he would have done regardless of his affiliation, so not much there. RTE is poking people's buttons apparently, to get a reaction and gets it big time from Ithillian, and then Clovdy jumps right back at that, as if waiting for someone to launch at... My vote shall have to wait a tad longer...

 

Why would you assume this?

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:18 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:52 PM, Sooh said:

Well this is a lovely mess already... There are a few things to be noticed, but not much to me just yet. That may or may not be my lack of experience playing this game speaking...

 

So far Dice came in swinging high from the get-go, which I assume he would have done regardless of his affiliation, so not much there. RTE is poking people's buttons apparently, to get a reaction and gets it big time from Ithillian, and then Clovdy jumps right back at that, as if waiting for someone to launch at... My vote shall have to wait a tad longer...

 

Is this your first time playing?

 

What's your opinion on the post? I think I see why you might've asked this.

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

 

really hard to do anything else if noones around turin.

 

theres something about this post thats bugging me. it feels off. and its not that he missed ley cause i didnt notice that til clov bought it up either. it feels like a "lets look another way" post but its so early in the game it could be for legitimate reasons.

 

Pretty much the definition of a town!Dice post imo. Glad to see that

 

Turin reads to me a bit guarded as well, the way he's posing his questions feels kinda... sinister.

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 9:11 PM, Clovdyx said:

Since Tina asked (large picture)

 

 

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A simple, "how-to" guide on Clov's alignment, presented in flowchart form.

 

 

 

 

Way to steal my thunder, dude.

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 10:27 PM, ConQuest said:

*runs through the front door hopping on one foot trying to finish buttoning his pants up, shoes unlaced and the buttons on his shirt are misaligned*

 

I'm here, i was busy with the wife putting furniture together that she just had to get this morning. 

 

I have to read to catch up on the bulk of what happened but I'm present now so please continue. 

 

I know the feeling

 

 

 

1. Why can't you be? is this supposed to be some sort of a secret handshake? otherwise it reads as buddying Dice.

2. This looks like more Dice buddying. With a added dose of RTE distance. "he's a hard read for me" sounds like an excuse to not take a position later.

3. Yet his response sounds good. Sounds like a reason to pad his townieness to choose someone else over him if it comes down to it.

4. Me too's Dice although states that my questions are guarded. Dice didn't mention that. The sinister line is pure theatrics. The reason for pointed even possibly leading questions is to gain insight into the person asked. You know this so it is odd you are taking this stance. At least to me.

 

the rest is fluff, Besides assembling furniture is a joy. You start with lots of flat wood and end up with a bookcase or a TV stand or something else that is useful. 

 

1. Even if Dice and I had a secret handshake, we wouldn't show you And no, it's nothing like that. Mostly me responding in jest to somewhat of an in-joke we had revolving around Darthe's last game that I missed where we were randed as mafia together with Lenlo.

 

2. You don't need to worry about me taking stances, you'll get plenty of that as things develop. My vote on you is the first one I've taken if that gives you any solace. I'm providing Clov insight of my experience level with other players in the event we're both townies this game because frankly, that's how townies play. They pool information together. Historically I don't have the best track record with RTE in the limited number of games we've played together, so I say so. The last one especially was a bit of a debacle.

 

3. I do think his response was good. Calling your statement dramatic was pretty accurate imo. Why are you trying to establish this narrative by implying RTE and I are together?

 

4. If you were asking pointed questions to gain insight on a particular tidbit that you saw and wanted another opinion on without asking for directly, then by definition, I was correct in describing your questions as guarded.

 

1. okay.

2. I didn't ask about your vote on me. Or what you said to Clov. Why are you putting those out? It isn't that you are saying something it is that IMO the info is incorrect. 

The point was about your saying RTE was a hard read for you which can be a way to hide from making a stance on a teammate if your were. 

3. Your opinion. I will disagree about the dramatic line also. I am not attempting any narrative. I am looking at things I find odd and trying to discern why you would do/say them. The hard read thing sticks out to me. I don't like hearing it from anyone about anyone. It sounds too political if you catch my meaning.

4. semantics but w/e. Again missing the point or trying to redirect away from it. My point was that you in effect said "me too" IRGT Dice's point on me that "something was off" but then like him gave a reason although not the same one he gave. It all smacks again of amgibuity. So that in the event I am lynched and flip town you both just go "WELP" *shrug*

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 4:51 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 3:34 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 1:02 AM, Andrej said:

Just wanna welcome the newbies to their first Mafia experience, I think you'll discover soon how fun and addicting it can be. Don't lose too much sleep dwelling on the game

 

For now I have the worst feeling about Turin. [v]##Turin[/v] Gonna keep an eye on how he handles Ithi this game, that can usually be a pretty big indicator of which side he's playing on. I think some of the questions he's posed are a bit off.

 

Ithi seems to be playing her town game which is based mostly on intuition from my experience. Clov seems to be driving discussion and I can't really fault him for looking askance at Ithi if he hasn't played with her before. A lot of her arguments are going to be that way, for the record.

 

Sooh seems to be pretty level headed for a newbie, so hopefully I'll be able to figure her out before too long. New players usually read sort of scummy to way by nature, and the running commentary post she made is a good example as to what, but I'm willing to observe her for a while until things get going so I can gauge her better.

 

Beyond that I don't have anything else to comment on. Let's see how things shake out

 

There is that "bit off" line again. Could you be any buddier to Dice? Which questions and why are they "off"? Ambiguous push is ambiguous.

 

I don't think my push is at all ambiguous. It's true that I may not be able to perfectly explain how I thought you came across when I was reading your posts earlier, but putting my vote down to back it is taking a stance if I've ever seen one. I think it could be the way that you worded them and the timing in which you asked, they bugged me. That's about as good as it's going to get for now until I see more from you so that I can get a better idea of where I think you're coming from.

 

BOLD: ambiguous words are ambiguous. If you can't say WHY you are doing something, Then you don't really have to explain why you did it after the fact. 

UNDERLINDED: Again your vote with no real backup is not truly a stance. It is the imitation of a stance. All your vote says is that you want me out of the game. By not having a reason other than "feels" again it is an easy back out for afterward. You give an Aw shucks or sommat. 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 4:58 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 3:44 AM, Turin Turambar said:

@ AJ, I find it odd that you list me as being an obvious townie when I have been lynched as town a fair amount. It must be because my questions are so sinister. I will broadcast as ridiculous town when it serves a purpose. I think the last time i did was in the Sherlock Holmes game due to the mechanics of the roles Pral and I had. ( i was basically trying to draw the mafia kill from the outset because I was protected early at least)  

 

I found Tress' response to be more likely to come from a mafiosa than not so my bias was included into the question. I wanted to see what you had to say about them as at the time it was one of the few things to discuss.

 

In my experience with you, I think you have played strong town games even if you disagree. Our last game together, if I'm remembering right, is a pretty good example of this. I can recall several off the top of my head where I had reasonably high trust level for you and several more where I had you snuffed out as mafia rather early on in the game. I feel confident in my ability to read you, in other words.

 

Bold: There's the bacon. Perhaps that explains why I found how you questioned him to come off in a strange way. If you had been more direct about this you probably wouldn't have sounded so guarded.

 

Did Clov's response do anything for you?

 

I agree to playing strong town games but I rarely really broadcast as town because that just isn't my style. If I am mafia with little time to play then I will stick out more because my mafia game takes a lot of work to do properly. Very well. then you should come to your senses soon. 

 

So does that information change the way you viewed the questions. Are they less "off" now? 

 

I think it was well written. I still think it seems he is working the room as it were.

[Red2111]

still not caught up

 

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 5:55 PM, Clovdyx said:

Red, 

 

Two questions.

 

1) Opportunistic how?  Do you feel I'm incredibly wrong to find her reaction to RTE bad, and more importantly, am I wrong to push someone for a bad reaction?

2) Where did I say he was "lockclear".  I said highly likely.  Those two are not the same thing, and you know that.

 

You'll also get your answer to the grouping question when you read up more.

 

 

1. opportunistic as in it comes off as you knowing what dice's alignment is and using it to gain town cred by attacking Ithi.  her reaction came as as a prod, not an over reaction. your push on her wouldn't be so scummy if you were asserting Dice as town like its fact

 

2. you're basically putting him in your lawkclear pile.  you basically stated  dice > RTE > everyone else.  youre prematurely clearing Dice and arbitrarily leaning on clearing RTE.  all over a joke.  it stinks.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:16 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 3:05 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov since you haven't apparently played with Ithi before I will give you a small piece of information. She has two jobs. The first involves doing research and digging for facts that include when people are fibbing about things. The second is as an editor which means that she notices word choices and how they relate to thoughts. 

 

Your use of the word "we" in that sentence means that you and she are on the same team(TOWN) looking at the possibility of

some of Dice, RTE and Tress being not town. Then in the same post you state that Ithi is your highest mafia read. Which would discount that you have her as town in the earlier part of of your post. This is a contradiction. So is the assertion by you that you don't suspect any of them but you are thiknig some of them could be mafia. 

 

Ithi is much better t this game than I am so I may be butchering this explanation. 

 

One thing Tress has right is that this is classic Town!Ithi. looking in all directions and not trusting anyone to start the game. 

 

 

...Yeah, I would love to see where you're getting that from.

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:37 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:29 PM, Ithillian said:

My first thought when Tress posted that me and Turin are always Town was that she was firefighting for RTE because his post had caught my attention. There was no need for her to post anything defending ish about what he said - and people who back up other people in this game always have an ulterior motive.

 

Like you saying Dice is the most Town. Why would you say that? You said he sounded genuine but it's just words on a page.

 

So I don't trust any of you at all.

 

Also you're asking me if there's a Dice/RTE/Tress Mafia team out there, do you actually suspect any of them?

 

Bold - no.  Just.  No.

 

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, why would I say Dice is the most likely to be town?  Because that's how this game is played.  You post your reads so people can evaluate your mindset, and in turn, you judge their mindsets from what they post.  I've given my take on his tone - if you disagree, then that's fine, but state that.

 

I certainly don't suspect Dice or RTE.  Tress would be a weak scumread at this point, because she's just made some sideline snipes without getting involved.  I've seen her be REALLY painfully obvious town before, so if she's not doing that, I'll assume she isn't.  

 

 

But I didn't ask that because it was my thoughts - I asked because I'm trying to figure out your's.  If you're just going to make those little "pokes" at everybody, I'm never going to be able to figure out your reads, and it makes me think you don't want to townread people.  So I'm trying to figure out what you actually think.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:54 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:48 PM, Ithillian said:

That seems strange to me as you're giving all these reads and reasons on other people. I would think that if I'm your best shot you'd have done a better job.

 

Which makes me think you're not that serious and you're up to something.

 

What?  I've said multiple times why I like Dice and RTE to be town.  I'd have to be braindead to suddenly be scumreading them.  The only other person I've addressed is Tress, who I said I'm going to assume is scum until she gets really townie.  

 

Also not sure what I "would have done a better job" with, but okay.

 

 

From my POV, I've never said anything to even insinuate I'm thinking Dice or RTE could be scum.  Either COULD be - in the sense that both are playing a mafia game, and are physically capable of receiving a mafia role - but I don't know how anything I've written leads someone I'm considering either one to be more than random to be scum at this point.

 

In regards to Tress, there's nothing I've said that suggests I DON'T suspect her.  

 

Did you ask Ithi if there was a Dice/RTE/Tress mafia team? that seems to be the definition of suggesting they are mafia.

[Sooh]

  On 3/2/2015 at 4:13 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:11 AM, Sooh said:

Just reading up before work.. I'll have to go over the thread more closely later today, but I figured I'd respond to these two..

  On 3/2/2015 at 12:55 AM, Andrej said:

*snip*

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:52 PM, Sooh said:

Well this is a lovely mess already... There are a few things to be noticed, but not much to me just yet. That may or may not be my lack of experience playing this game speaking...

 

So far Dice came in swinging high from the get-go, which I assume he would have done regardless of his affiliation, so not much there. RTE is poking people's buttons apparently, to get a reaction and gets it big time from Ithillian, and then Clovdy jumps right back at that, as if waiting for someone to launch at... My vote shall have to wait a tad longer...

 

Why would you assume this?

 

*snip*

 

I assume that because of what I know of his personality around the board. I would never expect him to come in with a post that's neutral, and if he did I think that would be the most suspect of all...

Fair enough.

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:11 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 1:02 AM, Andrej said:

Just wanna welcome the newbies to their first Mafia experience, I think you'll discover soon how fun and addicting it can be. Don't lose too much sleep dwelling on the game

 

*snip*

 

Sooh seems to be pretty level headed for a newbie, so hopefully I'll be able to figure her out before too long. New players usually read sort of scummy to way by nature, and the running commentary post she made is a good example as to what, but I'm willing to observe her for a while until things get going so I can gauge her better.

Thanks for the welcome!

 

Level headed but scummy... cool... so.. running commentary is scummy? I'm just trying to do what I've read in other games and sorting out my own head at the same time.

That depends. Normally I tend to associate it more towards a mafia behavior but it can vary depending on the player. It's one of those things that strike me as someone wanting to appear like they're saying something when in reality they aren't. Does that make sense? Anyway, considering the question asked earlier there's not one thing I could point at and say with 100% certainty that it's something a town/mafia player would only do.

 

I agree.. At this point in the game I think you could point your finger at anyone and say that they are scum and gather evidence to suit your need. 

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 5:00 PM, Red2111 said:

up to page 4, still catching up  but seen enough to

 

[v]Clov[/v]

 

you're hella-scummy man

 

 

 

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  On 3/1/2015 at 4:42 PM, Clovdyx said:

[v]##Ithi[/v]

 

Bad reaction to a question that was probably mostly in jest, given where we're at.

 

opportunisitc imo

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:45 PM, Clovdyx said:

I think Dice is highly likely to be town.  RTE to a lesser degree

 

RTE and Dice had like one post, and you yourself said that Dice's posts was likely a vote.  i dont get how you can clear them off of this.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:53 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:51 PM, Ithillian said:

Then why do you think he's more likely to be Mafia than Dice?

 

Because Dice's comment towards sounds incredibly genuine to me, and I'm not sure he's make it as scum.  Everyone is more likely to be mafia than Dice to me right now.

 

 

not even half the players have checked in, and aside from Dice's joking and your back and forther tango with Ithi its been "hit & run" i'm here, posts. 

 

yet your lawkclearing Dice and saying that a joke sounds "incredibly genuine" 

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:59 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 4:55 PM, Ithillian said:

It be like, 'oh noes (or muahahaha depending on the person) I'm Mafia in this game. I need to post something in the game before people get suspicious of me for not posting. I'll make sure it's funny so everyone laughs and doesn't think I'm mafia'

 

Or sommat like that.

 

So far Dice and RTE have come in with a bit of a giggle. Makes my eyes look like this >.> at them.

 

Then we'll agree to disagree.  I think both, though Dice moreso, came in and showed a relative level of ease in getting involved.  That's typically a good thing, since townies don't really have to worry about being self-conscious or revealing too much info - they don't HAVE any thing to hide or give up.

 

Not saying scum aren't capable of faking it, but I'm not going to overthink it or be extremely paranoid when half the game hasn't checked in.

 

 

i wouldn't call a joke getting involved.  and making lawls in mafia is one of the easiest ways for scum to be "involved" in the game.

 

bold - is just to highlight his opportunistic nature with Dice.

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:52 PM, Sooh said:

Well this is a lovely mess already... There are a few things to be noticed, but not much to me just yet. That may or may not be my lack of experience playing this game speaking...

 

So far Dice came in swinging high from the get-go, which I assume he would have done regardless of his affiliation, so not much there. RTE is poking people's buttons apparently, to get a reaction and gets it big time from Ithillian, and then Clovdy jumps right back at that, as if waiting for someone to launch at... My vote shall have to wait a tad longer...

 

i'm giving you a light FoS (Finger of Suspicion)

 

1st because you're reminding everyone you've never played before and also because instead of posting your thoughts you summarize events..

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 3:09 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 9:36 AM, dicetosser1 said:

First!

 

 

Vote #AJ  Im not mafia for once in a Darthe game so he MUST be!

Interesting.

 

In what Darthe games have you been Mafia?

 

 

Most.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

 

really hard to do anything else if noones around turin.

 

theres something about this post thats bugging me. it feels off. and its not that he missed ley cause i didnt notice that til clov bought it up either. it feels like a "lets look another way" post but its so early in the game it could be for legitimate reasons.

 

 

ping on Dice.

 

i find it off that you dont comment at all about Colv clearing and defending you.

 

 

  Quote

from clov but the stamp got erased

 

*snip*

 

Do you think we're looking at a Dice/RTE/Tress scumteam?  Or two of them with one as a SK?

why would you group the two people your clearing as anti-town?  this sentence is just off

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:37 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:29 PM, Ithillian said:

My first thought when Tress posted that me and Turin are always Town was that she was firefighting for RTE because his post had caught my attention. There was no need for her to post anything defending ish about what he said - and people who back up other people in this game always have an ulterior motive.

 

Like you saying Dice is the most Town. Why would you say that? You said he sounded genuine but it's just words on a page.

 

So I don't trust any of you at all.

 

Also you're asking me if there's a Dice/RTE/Tress Mafia team out there, do you actually suspect any of them?

 

Bold - no.  Just.  No.

 

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, why would I say Dice is the most likely to be town?  Because that's how this game is played.  You post your reads so people can evaluate your mindset, and in turn, you judge their mindsets from what they post.  I've given my take on his tone - if you disagree, then that's fine, but state that.

 

I certainly don't suspect Dice or RTE.  Tress would be a weak scumread at this point, because she's just made some sideline snipes without getting involved.  I've seen her be REALLY painfully obvious town before, so if she's not doing that, I'll assume she isn't.  

 

 

But I didn't ask that because it was my thoughts - I asked because I'm trying to figure out your's.  If you're just going to make those little "pokes" at everybody, I'm never going to be able to figure out your reads, and it makes me think you don't want to townread people.  So I'm trying to figure out what you actually think.

 

 

right you clear people because of how they react to actual game content.  thats not what you did with Dice (and RTE to a lesser extent)  you arbitrarily cleared them and started defending Dice outright by attacking Ithi.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:41 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:37 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:29 PM, Ithillian said:

My first thought when Tress posted that me and Turin are always Town was that she was firefighting for RTE because his post had caught my attention. There was no need for her to post anything defending ish about what he said - and people who back up other people in this game always have an ulterior motive.

 

Like you saying Dice is the most Town. Why would you say that? You said he sounded genuine but it's just words on a page.

 

So I don't trust any of you at all.

 

Also you're asking me if there's a Dice/RTE/Tress Mafia team out there, do you actually suspect any of them?

 

Bold - no.  Just.  No.

 

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, why would I say Dice is the most likely to be town?  Because that's how this game is played.  You post your reads so people can evaluate your mindset, and in turn, you judge their mindsets from what they post.  I've given my take on his tone - if you disagree, then that's fine, but state that.

 

I certainly don't suspect Dice or RTE.  Tress would be a weak scumread at this point, because she's just made some sideline snipes without getting involved.  I've seen her be REALLY painfully obvious town before, so if she's not doing that, I'll assume she isn't.  

 

 

But I didn't ask that because it was my thoughts - I asked because I'm trying to figure out your's.  If you're just going to make those little "pokes" at everybody, I'm never going to be able to figure out your reads, and it makes me think you don't want to townread people.  So I'm trying to figure out what you actually think.

 

I've never understood how Townreading is possible.

 

it is possible ... but i think Colv is faking it to gain town cred so he looks like he's trying to solve the game

 

 

I have had the same reading since early on, then again at this point I'm not sure about anyone's affiliation. 

[Pralaya]

Alright, just caught up with the game.

 

Ithi and Clov argument seems pretty townish. Ithi seems to be the town here, with most of her arguments relating to how I have seen Ithi play (I have not seen her as mafia, so well, don't know how she plays as scum). Her acting confused with her reads, her picking out small things from the text (like "we") and using it to make her reads etc.

 

Clov is playing like someone who is slightly pushed into a corner. I agree with his initial assessments but seeing how he responded to Ithi, don't think he is mafia here.

 

However, I do see Turin probably trying to pander to Ithi. I mean, everyone expects Turin to stand by Ithi and this is probably him forcing himself this game. Don't like that vibe.

 

Also, don't like Red's push on Clov. Seems to be taking the easy prey. His reasons sounds forced.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 8:30 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

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  On 3/2/2015 at 2:49 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 3:09 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 9:36 AM, dicetosser1 said:

First!

 

 

Vote #AJ  Im not mafia for once in a Darthe game so he MUST be!

Interesting.

 

In what Darthe games have you been Mafia?

 

 

Most.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

 

really hard to do anything else if noones around turin.

 

theres something about this post thats bugging me. it feels off. and its not that he missed ley cause i didnt notice that til clov bought it up either. it feels like a "lets look another way" post but its so early in the game it could be for legitimate reasons.

 

Can you cite some examples of you being mafia in games Darthe has run? 

 

No worries about the interaction thing. I didn't notice the time stamps. I just assumed that the game had only just started when I saw my PM but I was doing other things earlier in the day and might have just missed it. 

 

I hate the ambiguous "something off" line. Especially since you give a reason for why you think it might be bad but immediately back away from it. 

 

Following your belief that I am trying to get the talk going another way, what was I trying to take the spotlight away from? 

 

 

 

BLUE   Im not good with mafia game names or remembering exactly what i was in which games. I know i was mafia last Darthe game which was here iirc and that post all came out of a joke darthe made last game as AJ explained. If Lenlo was in this game he would have got it too.  For whatever reason we three usually get mafia when darthe hosts games but this time i didnt so i decided to use it. It was funny for me and my target audience AND it got AJ to respond to me in a way that lets me start forming a read on him.

 

Also i seem to recall you putting up something about AJ's  post saying it was good to see me do something. Thats typical AJ. He reads me better then pretty much anyone except maybe yates. he has certain things he associates with TownDice.

 

 

RED  you know when you want to describe something but you just cant find the right words? Thats what it is. Hence i put something feels off. Its D1 and i go by my gut D1. right now my guts not liking your posts but i cant really articulate why.

 

Black  The convo between Clov and Ithi.

Blue: jokes are jokes. IT would be nice to have examples tho. Maybe AJ can provide them. Not sure what you are talking about WRT to what AJ posted about you. Not sure how I feel about you only putting forward that he reads you so good. Do you have any concern about him trying to pocket you?

 

Red: See what I wrote about AJ and not being able to articulate the reasons. Easy to after the fact say "WELP, my gut was off"

 

Black: SO why would I be trying to change the subject? I have Ithi solidly town. Clov I am unsure of. Am I trying to protect Ithi or Clov?

 

You apparently think I am mafia. Do you think Ithi is as well? Or do you think I'm trying to distance from Clov?

 

[Clovdyx]

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:37 PM, Red2111 said:

still not caught up

 

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 5:55 PM, Clovdyx said:

Red, 

 

Two questions.

 

1) Opportunistic how?  Do you feel I'm incredibly wrong to find her reaction to RTE bad, and more importantly, am I wrong to push someone for a bad reaction?

2) Where did I say he was "lockclear".  I said highly likely.  Those two are not the same thing, and you know that.

 

You'll also get your answer to the grouping question when you read up more.

 

 

1. opportunistic as in it comes off as you knowing what dice's alignment is and using it to gain town cred by attacking Ithi.  her reaction came as as a prod, not an over reaction. your push on her wouldn't be so scummy if you were asserting Dice as town like its fact

 

2. you're basically putting him in your lawkclear pile.  you basically stated  dice > RTE > everyone else.  youre prematurely clearing Dice and arbitrarily leaning on clearing RTE.  all over a joke.  it stinks.

 

Okay, I'm going to break this down point-by-point with my issues with your claim.

 

• I'm still failing to see how pushing Ithillian, for a bad reaction to something RTE said, has ANYTHING to do with Dice.   
• What is she prodding?  This was her post :

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 3:19 PM, Ithillian said:

Nice little 'either or' there. You seem to know at least one of us isn't lol. And then can use that to say oh well, the other one must be.

 

[v]## RTE[/v]

 

It's a well know mafia thingy to set up future lynches. It's equally likely that we're both Town. More than equal actually as the majority of players will be town.

 

 

Remember, this was 10 hours - 18 posts  - into the game.  Do you honestly think there's ANY chance a rational person would look at that situation and say, "Gee, RTE is setting Dice and Ithillian up together.  RTE is probably going to get a mislynch on one, and when they flip town, push the other one"?  Because I don't see any remotely intelligent person genuinely coming to that conclusion in the context it happened.

 

Now, I don't know if Ithillian is remotely intelligent, but I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt...  therefore, it's a HUGE over reaction imo.

 

• Where did I assert Dice to be town, as a fact?  Where did I say that everybody should be treating him that way?  I said "I think he is highly likely".
• Again, "likely to be town" - even "highly likely" - is not the same as "he's definitely town," "he's town here 100%", "He's lock clear", or "Just trust me guys - he's town."  I said nothing along the lines of those last three.
• If you keep putting words in my mouth, I'm going to keep proving you wrong.

[Clovdyx]

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:38 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Did you ask Ithi if there was a Dice/RTE/Tress mafia team? that seems to be the definition of suggesting they are mafia.

 

 

I was trying to figure out if that's what she thought, given she soft-pushed the three of them.

[Clovdyx]

Turin, you have Ithi as solid town; I clearly don't.  The difference in our meta knowledge (and our personal biases) aside, can you tell me what you like about her gameplay?  

[Ithillian Turambar]

The either or relates to me and turin because apparently one of us has to be mafia.

 

I don't think I involved dice

 

People like to link us together. It happens all the time

[Ithillian Turambar]

Dice went for giggles and tress went for fuzziness. All a bit suspect.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I didn't soft push Rte. I voted him good and proper. And then I looked at everyone else. Including clov

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:43 PM, Pralaya said:

Alright, just caught up with the game.

 

Ithi and Clov argument seems pretty townish. Ithi seems to be the town here, with most of her arguments relating to how I have seen Ithi play (I have not seen her as mafia, so well, don't know how she plays as scum). Her acting confused with her reads, her picking out small things from the text (like "we") and using it to make her reads etc.

 

Clov is playing like someone who is slightly pushed into a corner. I agree with his initial assessments but seeing how he responded to Ithi, don't think he is mafia here.

 

However, I do see Turin probably trying to pander to Ithi. I mean, everyone expects Turin to stand by Ithi and this is probably him forcing himself this game. Don't like that vibe.

 

Also, don't like Red's push on Clov. Seems to be taking the easy prey. His reasons sounds forced.

Pander. such a strange word. First off I never force myself to stand by her. You say that you think Ithi is on her town meta. Even tho you claim to never have seen her as mafia(which was my point earlier that she literally is NEVER mafia). Most have chimed in as saying they think her town. I can see the same things everyone else does. So whyis it that my saying she is town is pandering and for you to say you think she is town just reading the thread. You think that you know er better than I do?

 

Don't understand how you can say that Red is taking easy prey when you are saying you see Clov as town. I know you aren't going to suggest that Clov is an "easy lynch" right. 

 

I don't like this post very much at all.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I always leave him be at the start of the game. We tend to annoy the mafia so are usually dead by day 3. If we're still alive by then I usually tear him apart.

[Ithillian Turambar]

If you don't want to pander to me then chocolates are always an option

[Clovdyx]

  On 3/2/2015 at 7:02 PM, Ithillian said:

I didn't soft push Rte. I voted him good and proper. And then I looked at everyone else. Including clov

 

Completely true, but I meant just at the time I proposed that question.  This is the serious of posts that happened - 

 

 

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  On 3/1/2015 at 7:22 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

 

really hard to do anything else if noones around turin.

 

theres something about this post thats bugging me. it feels off. and its not that he missed ley cause i didnt notice that til clov bought it up either. it feels like a "lets look another way" post but its so early in the game it could be for legitimate reasons.

 

Fencesitter.

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:23 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:17 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:33 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

I've already given my thoughts on Dice and RTE overall. In terms of the "disappearing", I would rank them in this order for most suspect to least:

 

1) Tress

2) RTE

3) Dice

 

Dice made the opening post and nobody else posted for two hours. I can't fault him for not having interactions if nobody's around to interact with. RTE had a couple soft interactions so that looks good, but I would have liked to see his reply to Ithillian. Tress looks the worst of the three because timestamps suggest she was paying attention but sitting back until that exact moment, and even with actual gameplay (Ithi voting RTE), abstained from saying anything of consequence.

 

What do YOU think about Leyrann? I noticed you left him off.

 

You're so cute, Clov. I just want to take you home and snuggle you, but I fear a vengeful Linz.

 

Fluffy 'I'm not a threat' post

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:24 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:26 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

 

Bit dramatic. It's a Sunday after all (and I'm even working   )

 

Reply whilst not actually replying post.

 

Everyone is so suspect. Ugh.

 

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:25 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:22 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 5:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Clov, what do you think about the people that just dropped in and then took off again?

 

Dice only made his joke vote on AJ

 

RTE basically only dropped the either or statement

 

Tress just noted that Ithi and I are always town, and have the siggy to pronounce it.

 

Which of those actions seems the most suspect to you? Why?

 

really hard to do anything else if noones around turin.

 

theres something about this post thats bugging me. it feels off. and its not that he missed ley cause i didnt notice that til clov bought it up either. it feels like a "lets look another way" post but its so early in the game it could be for legitimate reasons.

 

Fencesitter.

 

 

  On 3/1/2015 at 7:23 PM, Ithillian said:

 

Fluffy 'I'm not a threat' post

 

 

Do you think we're looking at a Dice/RTE/Tress scumteam?  Or two of them with one as a SK?

 

 

 

 

 

Basically, I'm trying to figure out whether you actually thought those posts suggested that's the scumteam, or if you were just wasting time by making meaningless accusations on people you're pretty much indifferent on.  Does that make sense?

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:57 PM, Clovdyx said:

Turin, you have Ithi as solid town; I clearly don't.  The difference in our meta knowledge (and our personal biases) aside, can you tell me what you like about her gameplay?  

You can read the comments of all the others that have put Ithi in their town piles for basics. The biggest thing with Ithi is that she will react to something that sits wrong immediately and not let it go unless something else draw her attention. The RTE post where he suggests that either She or I must be mafia is one of those things. That he was trying to hide it in a "joke" makes it more troubling.

 

 

 

And the linking is a common thing in the past. We very rarely play in the same games now because of it. If you look at the thread you will see many people making subtle linkage.

 

Finally in another post you question if she is intelligent. This is a red flag for me because it is a tactic used by mafia in the past to get her upset and distracted from finding mafia. It is actually in Darthe's little book of mafia strategies.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/2/2015 at 7:06 PM, Ithillian said:

If you don't want to pander to me then chocolates are always an option

chocolates are lovely  

[Clovdyx]

  On 3/2/2015 at 7:12 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 3/2/2015 at 6:57 PM, Clovdyx said:

Turin, you have Ithi as solid town; I clearly don't.  The difference in our meta knowledge (and our personal biases) aside, can you tell me what you like about her gameplay?  

You can read the comments of all the others that have put Ithi in their town piles for basics. The biggest thing with Ithi is that she will react to something that sits wrong immediately and not let it go unless something else draw her attention. The RTE post where he suggests that either She or I must be mafia is one of those things. That he was trying to hide it in a "joke" makes it more troubling.

 

 

 

And the linking is a common thing in the past. We very rarely play in the same games now because of it. If you look at the thread you will see many people making subtle linkage.

 

Finally in another post you question if she is intelligent. This is a red flag for me because it is a tactic used by mafia in the past to get her upset and distracted from finding mafia. It is actually in Darthe's little book of mafia strategies.

 

 

Is she incapable of doing this as scum? Because everything I've seen people give her credit for this game is a meta argument - "that's how she plays as town" - yet apparently nobody here has seen her as scum.  So I don't really care if that's what she done before, if there's nothing to compare it to; I care about the quality of the argument.  The "he's setting up an either or lynch" is incredibly low quality.

 

 

As far as the bottom... trust me, I'm not questioning if she's intelligent.  You'll damn good and well if I reach that conclusion.