[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[WWWwombat]

You're probably the only person I've seen say that hydras help mafia more than town.

[Darthe]

 

 

If I had a daykill I promise you I would have already shot a hydra.

So there's that.

I don't like them either but they help the mafia more than town. AAAAND there are three of them voting with me on the MISHTRESS train. I don't like this.

Mistress (4/10): Mynd, NyanCat, MegaLoud, Desbat

Oh so when you point out voting patterns its okay! :annoyed:

[Red2111]

I'm feeling less inclined to believe Red.  I take it that all of our roles are people who were at the red wedding.  How important is Little Jon or whoever in relation to this event?  Would he be a bodyguard? Didn't read the books. 

 

Mynd heres a post to the wiki on my character http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Umber_(Smalljon)   that should answer any questions you have about my character.

 

 

 

 

 

If I had a daykill I promise you I would have already shot a hydra.

So there's that.

 

I don't like them either but they help the mafia more than town.  AAAAND there are three of them voting with me on the MISHTRESS train.  I don't like this. 

 

 

Mistress (4/10): Mynd, NyanCat, MegaLoud, Desbat

 

 

 

so now you're doing a 180 on the Mishtress train?

 

i get you're point about the possibility of of a hydra being on the scum team and how thats really bad for us, but to have many of them (especially given some of the pairings) on the scum team would unblance it because both people on the hydra are talking and sowing chaos.   

 

i'm not really sure how you balance a game with hyrdas, but i would assume that you still have to take into account the fact that they are two players posting in the game and the amount of WIFOM they could create.  the only experience i've had with Hyrdas was in your Heros game (btw they're rebooting the series in 2014 *squee* so when you gonna run another game?!?!?!?) and me and Locke (i think it was Locke) could only post on certain days and we both had different alignments or at least different loyalties <_<

 

 

 

that said, the only other Hydra i coudl see pressuring right now is Desbat.  

 

Wombat is way too talkative for what i recall and Despo has been way too muzzled.   quiet despo gives me the eebee jeebees tbh.  theres players who i dont like when they get quiet.  BG, you (Mynd), Pete and Despo are top of my list

[Nolder]

Red:

 

Neither. I'm not going to read junk like that. Use quotes like a normal person if you want me to read them.

 

Also I wasn't directing your NA, dunno how you got that impression.

I was saying your ability is pointless at this point so we may as well lynch you since you're acting scummy.

[Yates]

Let's count the misreps:

 

 

She's claiming BG. Who are we going to have her protect? Yates? lol

Her role, even if it's real, is pretty much useless right now. 

I'm more ok with losing a BG on day one more than I am letting scum get away.

um, whose this we you're talking about Nol.  just because i revealed doesn't mean i'm letting you direct who i protect.  i'm a big girl and capable of my own decisions.  

 

heavy FoS for trying to direct my NA and for one of the worsts reasons i've seen yet to keep a vote on me.

 

Misrep #1. What rational person reads Nolder's response as "directing the BG??" It is quite clear that he is making a joke about a BG protecting a claimed VT. It is additionally humorous given our adversarial relationship.

 

i could roll with lynching Yates though.  his reaction to people poking him about his claim diserves a bit more pressure imo

Misrep #2. Name all of the "people" poking me about my claim that I'm reacting to. I contend that number is a grand total of 1 - you. As a sidebar - if you think you have enough game to "pressure" me you are sorely mistaken. Feel free to ask around. I'm cooler than the other side of the pillow even with a guilty result on my slot.

 

so theres other game related stuff happening, but now that no ones presuring you directly you go back to spammign it up.  *nods*

What, specifically, required my attention or response at that particular juncture? Also, I am not a member of this community outside of this mafia forum. Are you trying to portray my effort to have some fun with this particular player base as scummy?

 

 

aside from defending yourself, you're only other interaction has been to lay WIFOM, and respond to off topic content (lucid dreaming and now the above)

Misrep #3. Do you feel as though my challenge on your logic is simply "defending" myself? If so, why do you suppose so many people started voting for you AFTER I started challenging your logic and motivation?

 

Misrep #4. Show me the wifom. Oh wait. You can't because you are the one creating it.

 

As far as the off topic stuff goes; I've put in a good day's work. I've found scum. Now I can kick up my heels and enjoy myself a bit while everyone else works on their cases. So sue me.

 

As far as "balancing" a game with hydras? What do you not understand? A hydra is ONE slot. It just happens to be played by two people. Balance is EXACTLY the same. There are X number of Town slots and Y number of Scum slots [and sometimes Z number of 3rd party slots]. Hydra or regular player, it doesn't matter, when the RNG is rolled the SLOT is assigned a role. Any further conversation on this matter only succeeds in making yourself look foolish. Granted, a hydra *should* speak through a single account [and why you don't do that here is beyond me] but it's still the same.

[Darthe]

We don't do it here because the mods don't allow alternate accounts.  It would be much better if we did.

[Sedai]

Long story short. I agree with Mynd.

 

Don't think we should hydra hunt however cause basically all mafia could be hydras. Or none. Or just some.

 

Like wise. The outstanding play of one hydra head can prolong a scum hydras life but can't save it as the other will slip eventually.

 

Hydras help scum since 1) they are a distraction 2) more voices on scum qt

[Sedai]

@Red he agreed with my assessment of his meta as I was a scum member with him in another game and his general game play matched up and he expressed his love of early distancing.

[Nolder]

I don't really have a huge issue with hydras in general.
I just think it's really stupid for a GOT/Red Wedding theme.

I'm all about theme and hydras just don't fit.

[Darthe]

 

 

What theme do you think would better suit a Hydra?

[Sedai]

I think if hydras had a mechanic where one player could only speak during even days and the other on odd # game days would be more balanced as far as mechanic wise. But that's meh.

[Nolder]

 

What theme do you think would better suit a Hydra?

Ghosts maybe?

[Nolder]

I think if hydras had a mechanic where one player could only speak during even days and the other on odd # game days would be more balanced as far as mechanic wise. But that's meh.

I have an idea I wrote down a long time ago for a game sort of kind of like that.

I call it Tag Team Mafia. Everyone gets a partner, could be of any alignment. One player can talk in thread while the other player can only talk on their shared QT but the player confined to the QT is the only one of the two who can use a night action if they have one. And they can tag back and forth.

It's rough around the edges since I never really developed it beyond the concept but I think it could be fun.

[Xthrax]

Having some annoying computer issues this morning - monitor on my desktop is old and dying, and wouldn't turn on at all this morning (at least hasn't in almost 3 hours of waiting for it)... Laptop hasn't been turned on in a couple of months and needed updates and now wants me to reboot like now if not sooner. Made some notes in our Hydra QT so I can reference them from whichever computer (or my phone) later on.

 

Copy/pasting quick hits on the happenings that have stood out to me, without a full re-read or a batch of ISOs a lot of people will be left out for sheer "I don't remember" value... have to get ready for work after this so the next 10 hours my ability to respond will be limited.

 

2. Desbat (Wombat/Des) - Leaning mafia... Wombat started out voting Red, then nudged trains on both Red/Mish,then soft defended Mish against Cloud, called Cloud's reasoning bad, then sheeped Cloud's vote. Also not fond of his decision to extend the D1 noob pass to Dawn's 5th game. Right now I'm reading it as mafia deciding to defend someone who is likely to be lynched at some point and flip town. Want to vote here.

 

3. Nolbat

 

4. Krak

5. MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud) - I can see Cloud as potentially mafia. Would like to see a DesBat flip before gong that route.

 

6. Crayjay (Cory/Andrej) - gut says town lean, I haven't seen anything yet that stands out as suspicious.

 

7. Lenlo

 

8. X - Null, I didn't read the opening post as anything significant.

 

9. Dawn - I think her confusion is probably genuine enough, but she does need to learn to start taking a stand. Being wrong doesn't mean you're mafia. Avoiding giving opinions on others does read like mafia. Gut tells me she's town, because I think ScumBat is more likely to defend her as town than as a teammate.

 

10. Jack

 

11. Princess Verbalina of Kindelbury (Verb/Tina)

 

12. Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally)

 

13. Dice

 

14. Zanube

 

15. Red - Likes to nitpick/overblow small things to make cases throughout the game. I usually have a hard time seeing her as town because I can't tell if she's misinterpreting things as scum tells or intentionally misrepresenting them. I've rarely played with her as mafia but I do recall one game, and it took a long time to figure it out. If DesBat is mafia, then Red is probably town.

 

16. Nyankat (Nyn/Kat) - I read Nyn as genuine so far, slight town lean.

 

17. Mynd - likes to nitpick/overblow small things to start cases and get games started. Typically will jump on others who follow along with his weak case. Waiting to see where he goes next since the train he started has grown substantially, and Red is a competing train.

 

18. Tommy - getting a town gut read on him. If mafia I think it'll be obvious later as he plays town leader and leads everyone right off the cliff.

 

19. Yates - Claimed Tytos Blackwood, VT - apparent gamestarter joke, he's a bold player and not afraid to draw attention to himself as mafia. Null read, will re-evaluate later.

 

##unvote

##vote DesBat

Ok here is Tress.

Now to address your reads. At the first glance you are hinging everything on Desbat.

 

Now according to your post Wombat is scummy since he did something and ddoes the opposite. Now I don't agree with 2 of the things here. After Mish,s initial flailing she jumps on my OP as scummy. Wombat comes in here and questions that judgement.

If I remember correctly, what wombat calls out on Cloud is that he says the pressure struck a nerve. Wombat says here that Mish is known to be an emotinal player which is then agreed upon.

 

Mish continued to be twitchy and tries to redirect attention away which results in her vote.

 

So the soft defense and then sheeping hasn't occured the way I look it.

 

Now Dawn's noob pass. Its true that she hss been acting in an unconcerned manner. I would like to have Dawn say something in relation to what has happened.

 

But just that one thing is not IMO complete enough to call someone scummy

[amegakure]

I don't really have a huge issue with hydras in general.

I just think it's really stupid for a GOT/Red Wedding theme.

I'm all about theme and hydras just don't fit.

Captain america! HYDRA!

[Songstress]

 

 

 

Having some annoying computer issues this morning - monitor on my desktop is old and dying, and wouldn't turn on at all this morning (at least hasn't in almost 3 hours of waiting for it)... Laptop hasn't been turned on in a couple of months and needed updates and now wants me to reboot like now if not sooner. Made some notes in our Hydra QT so I can reference them from whichever computer (or my phone) later on.

 

Copy/pasting quick hits on the happenings that have stood out to me ... <rest of quote snipped for brevity>

That crazy font....looks a lot like it came from a QT......

I wonder why.

 

Hydra....QTs....two girls/one cup player.  Got it. 

 

Now, please 'splain your other half's floundering. 

 

 

Lemme start here.

 

I'mma be Captain Obvoius and tell you I'm not inside Mish's head and we don't discuss everything we post in the QT before we say it.  However, I understand her as a player pretty well, and know a good amount about what her life is like and how it affects her playing. Here's the timeline and how I interpret it.

 

First post: She says she was about to complain about having to catch up on 12 pages but sees that everyone is still joking so she posts a joke pic herself.

 

Second post: About half an hour later - responds to Red's meme about complaining about catching up by noting that it's easier to catch up on 12 pages of jokes than serious play right before bedtime

 

Obviously she's had time to scan through the thread and see if there's any serious gameplay that stands out to her - next post is just a few minutes later.

 

Third post: Picks out something that stands out to her - X's intro post - and votes X.  This reads to me like an attempt to find something to start serious gameplay - I'mma go on a little sidetrack here about gamestarter actions, because I've done a lot of thinking about the subject.

 

My thought is that there are basically two methods people use to try to kickstart a game into serious mode.  First is doing something obvious - maybe slightly scummy or even overtly scummy - to draw attention to yourself (i.e. vote someone with no reasoning, claim vanilla town with no provocation, or even claim mafia out of the blue).  You get reactions, you probably get voted, you take note of reactions and probably find something worthwhile to build a train on in the process, and the game moves on.   I see a lot of this kind of action from Darthe, occasionally Wombat, and in this game's example, Yates.

 

Second gamestarter type is the Mountain -> Molehill type, where you nitpick all the fluff posts to find something, usually incredibly minor, as a reason to FOS, vote, or full-on case someone.  You watch for people bandwagoning or building on that case, you watch for people defending that person, and you probably end up abandoning that original case because it was truly nonsense in the first place, but by that point it's generated decent discussion.  Mynd and Red are pretty much masters of this... Mish's vote on X is a smaller example of such an attempt IMO, and didn't get a lot of traction because it was followed up pretty much right away by Mynd and Red using Mish's vote as a much more effective gamestarter.

 

Being on the receiving end of one of those mountain/molehill cases is frustrating as hell, if ya didn't know.  As I said, I've spent a lot of time contemplating kickstart behavior and it's pretty much gotten me to the point where I don't sweat it because I see where they're going with it, but Mynd and Red haven't played much in a good long time (and nobody else does it quite to their extent) and Mish tends to let her frustration bleed into the game more easily.

 

Which is obvious in her fourth post:  She comes in, makes 3 posts, and is suddenly being grilled about her choice of wording.  She tries to lay out the sequence of events.  She's tired and starting to get annoyed. 

 

Fifth post is nearly an hour and a half after she popped in saying she was getting ready to go to bed, and the frustration is obvious.  Sometimes all you can do is roll your eyes.  

 

Sixth post is now two hours after the first statement of her intention to catch up on the thread before she goes to bed, and she's ready to let it go and call it a night, but not before Mynd appears to suggest that she was somehow dishonest in her representation of her intentions to go to bed.   At this point in the QT, I mention how I'm amused that I've been posting and joking around the whole time without anyone saying a word, but she makes one post and suddenly she has Mynd and Red grilling her. She starts thinking that maybe people have forgotten that we share a slot, so she decides if people are still giving her a hard time when she gets up in the morning, she'll try to remind them.  I give her a little pep talk about the Red/Mynd game starter meta.

 

Next post after wake-up time: she's a bit disappointed at the amount of off-topic fluff that was continuing after a few solid game kickstarters.  Notes she's suspicious at Despo being off meta.  Explains to Wombat what she meant by her reason for the Xthrax vote.  Asks Cloud to outline exactly how she changed her story because it's a very vague accusation.  Decides that since people are still pressuring her for little to no reason and nobody seems to find me suspicious, it's time to remind them that we're both part of the same hydra.

 

After people clarify that they haven't said anything about me because I've been a slacker and haven't said anything game related yet, she reiterates her point and tries to let it drop.

 

Comes back with a serious response to several points Tommy made attempting to address his questions, including why she hadn't followed up on her original vote of Xthrax, why she expected people to take my play into account in judging our slot, her reads on Dawn, Mynd, Red, and expanding on her comment about Despo being off meta.

 

Last post in response to another Tommy question confirming her reads on Red and Mynd.

 

After this she advised me in the QT she was going to step away from the game because of an outside issue that put her in a bad mood and she didn't want to let it affect the game. There's this kind of spiral that happens when an emotional person lets emotion bleed into a game where people pounce on it and call it scummy, which just makes you more emotional.  Nobody needs that kind of thing to sidetrack the game. I'm guessing she's sleeping now and we'll probably hear from her again in a few hours.

 

My jumping in this morning with my list of reads wasn't timed and calculated as damage control.  As I said before, I'm not all that wound up about the possibility of being lynched today.  We win with town whether or not we live through day 1, and if our death helps in any way to solve the game, that's worth it.  My intent is to get my thoughts out there to help with the game solving bit, regardless.  If Mynd hadn't specifically asked for it, I wouldn't have spent any time at all defending the other half of my slot. 

 

I'd actually planned to post my thoughts with quotes and whatnot last night, well before people started calling me out as not contributing anything game related, but just got too exhausted to form coherent thoughts so I figured I'd get up early and do it today.  My computer monitor dying a slow painful death, plus my laptop requiring updates for my antivirus, Java, and Windows slowed me down to where I couldn't put in the time I intended so I threw a partial list of mostly gut impressions into the QT so I could reference it and update it later, then copy/pasted it here.

 

Now, it's going on midnight and if I was smart I'd be going to bed, but I promised I'd expand on my quick and dirty reads, so I'll do that a bit before I collapse.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

I'm just dragging Amega with me for the added challenge.

 

I thought you had to beat Hard before you moved on to Nightmare...

 

 

Wombat:  tosses up softball

 

Verbal:  hits it out of the park

 

Crowd:  goes wild!!!!!!!

 

 

So late for me to at this, but was saved in my quotes so meh.

 

Sorry bout last night, watched the Spurs game, and we lost so I wasn't really in the mood for mafia. Fell asleep at home before I could reawaken my WIM.

 

WIM status tonight is fairly good, but I gotta catch up in another game first. Be back in a bit

[Nynaeve]

Whew. Caught up.

 

Need a ciggi :P

 

 

Red has some good qualities and some less desirable ones. Right now it just feels like she's being stubborn. Annoyingly so. But stubborn none of the less. Paired with her playing style and claim I rather see more of her before I decide. For now I feel pretty good about my vote on Mish. I know she's known for being a nervous wreck. But she's been too frantic about pointing the heat elsewhere and allowing herself to be inconsistent in the process. Tress can do all the damage control she wants.... but that's one of the disadvantages of being a hydra. Your partner takes you down with him.

 

 

 

16. Nyankat (Nyn/Kat)  -  Nyn is playing a lot more coy, and not trying to make the game about her.  Could be a scum tell.  NULL read on Kat. 

 

Null prolly because she hasn't posted yet *laughs*  (RL issues, hopefully she'll be along soon). As for me... after my last mafia experience... I'm surprised I'm even playing. Heh.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you realize that Wombat is implying it makes Mish look worse or are you just throwing words onto a page? You are such an odd creature to me. 

 

 

Love at first sight?  Second? Third? Look hard enough, you'll find it. ;)  I'm not wrong about these things.

 

 

 

 

I've been a professional mafia player since Halloween, roughly. During 2014 I've been netting average $15k/mo sponsorship contracts from the NMPA and MAFiAAA to entertain spectators with astounding feats of wit and cunning. I'm really much better at being mafia than I am at being town, so you should never ever trust me, but you should always listen to me because I know what's good for the village. Probably.

 

In my spare time I like to whittle. 

 

xD  I'm starting to like you.

 

 

 

As for Mynd's theory about hydras.

 

IMO, it's true that it's harder to analyze two players who are essentially one. It's a casing nightmare. On the other hand, and here lies my disagreement with what Mish said before, a scum hydra gives you double the opportunity to find inconsistencies. They can QT all they want but at the end of the day when two people speak as one, they will unavoidably slip, be it an individual slip or contradictions between the two. So, yes, you get a lot of somewhat muddled information. But more information none of the less which is always a plus. I also think that if only one of the hydra heads stinks, it's enough  for a vote. The only thing it reflects is that one of them is a better mafia player than the other.  :P

 

I've never ran a mafia game myself so talk of game balance fly over my head quite often. I won't pretend to know what kind of considerations Darthe put into this. I don't feel like hydras affect balance but I don't know enough about the mechanics to make an educated guess.

 

 

 

 

If I had a daykill I promise you I would have already shot a hydra.

So there's that.

 

I don't like them either but they help the mafia more than town.  AAAAND there are three of them voting with me on the MISHTRESS train.  I don't like this. 

 

 

Mistress (4/10): Mynd, NyanCat, MegaLoud, Desbat

 

 

We just really like you? :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

[Nynaeve]

Going on a shopping spree now. Don't wait up ;)

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Songstress]

Teh DesBat:
 
Mish explained her gut read on Des, and I see where she's coming from with that.  He normally does jump in with a big catchup WoT once the game has been well and truly kickstarted and throw around a handful of LOCK CLEARS and whatnot.  DM just notified me about his post that explains his lack of WiM last night.  The Des half of DesBat may assuage Mish's misgivings.  I'll wait to see what he has to say... up to this point, there's not much game to his game to comment on.
 
Here's what I'm seeing with Womby.  My note:

2. Desbat (Wombat/Des) - Leaning mafia... Wombat 1)started out voting Red, then 2/4)nudged trains on both Red/Mish,then 3)soft defended Mish against Cloud, called Cloud's reasoning bad, then 5)sheeped Cloud's vote. 6)Also not fond of his decision to extend the D1 noob pass to Dawn's 5th game. Right now I'm reading it as mafia deciding to defend someone who is likely to be lynched at some point and flip town. Want to vote here.

 

And specifics:

 

1) Started out voting Red on pg 2 - here.  No reasoning given. She had 4 posts on pg 1, a "let's get the party started" gif, a joke vote on Nol, a joke vote on Lenlo for ninjaing her joke vote on Nol, and an "I like where this is going" gif that I presume is related to Leelou's declaration of the return of Lynch Nolder Wednesdays.  About 14 hours later, with no further explanation, he revotes Red on pg 11 with the correct formatting.  There's been a lot of joking in between.

 

2) Mish starts getting pressure from Mynd and Red.  Wombat questions Mish here to clarify her reason for her vote on X.  Vote is still on Red.  Then this post reads to me like he's nudging Mish and Red competing trains.  Maybe that wasn't his intention, but the wording was unclear, especially since his vote was still on Red for no discernible reason.

 

3) Soft defends Mish here when Cloud calls her out for "flailing" after "Mynd struck a nerve" - calls his post bad, says striking a nerve with Mish is null and he knows it, then calls out Cloud for nudging Red while voting Mish.  At this point, he's still voting Red.  Seems to come across as neutral to Mish here after her response to his question about her vote on X - he disagrees with her interpretation on X's post as a Stark hint, and he says I haven't done much yet which is why people aren't mentioning me.  

 

4) Calls out Red here for not voting Mish.  At this point he's still voting Red.

 

5. Decides to call Cloud town here and sheep his vote on Mish.  Explains here why he agrees with Cloud's case - characterizes Mish as changing her story to suit her "fake active" purposes, saying first she was too tired to catch up, then she was catching up on the thread.  You apparently missed the point where she said it was a lot easier to catch up on 12 pages of jokes than serious play.  The two hours after that she was following along with the active thread, and was obviously tired and letting things get to her - which as you pointed out is a null tell with Mish.  And then we're back to nudging Red as mafia as well.

 

6) Defends Dawn here, suggesting she doesn't know how to play well as town yet because she was mafia her first two games. Further defends her here.  Backs off a bit here.  She's in two other ongoing games, and this one makes her fifth.  I know he says he doesn't advocate the "D1 noob pass" but most everyone stops making excuses for new players after they've been through a couple of games - especially if they have been mafia and had the opportunity to be coached by stronger players. Regardless, I don't recall ever seeing Wombat "white knight" a newbie like this, and it struck me as odd. 

 

This was the information I was working off of when I posted my read on DesBat.  I didn't have time to pull quotes before I left for work because of my computer issues.  

 

Since then he's tried to discredit my read on him as if it was a bad case formulated only to "save" Mish and keep us from being lynched, and mischaracterize my other reads because my thoughts on him color my opinion on some other people, insinuating that I'm setting up lynches on other people for "when he flips town".

 

And it's after 1AM, so expanding thoughts on other people isn't gonna happen until morning.

[hazelkrs1]

I still haven't caught up all the way yet. I'm such a lazy fart smeller.

 

Promise to commit just a crapton of focus to this game later today however. Gotta pick up the little one at 2, so I'll be ready to wreck the thread in ~8.5 hours

[Nynaeve]

My 'shopping spree' ended with the purchase of a pair of pants. I is sad.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Leelou]

Bruins win.  Expect happy Leelou.

 

Yes, happy but sick Leelou. I hate cold/flu season. 

 

Okay digging through the thread. 

[Nolder]

I still haven't caught up all the way yet. I'm such a lazy fart smeller.

 

Promise to commit just a crapton of focus to this game later today however. Gotta pick up the little one at 2, so I'll be ready to wreck the thread in ~8.5 hours

In my experience scum will continuously make excuses while town will just do it or not do it.

You're now #3.

[michellem]

 

Changed my story how? Show plz.

This is the moment when you changed your story:

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

Didn't say that, Mynd. Said I was reading the thread before going to bed. Takes me a while to get ready, so reading and replaying to the game in the meantime.

 

But now im done with all that. So see ya all tomorrow.

 

This is bad. Striking a nerve with Mish is null and you know it. And nudging Red while voting Mish is doubly bad.

I’m well aware that Mish is an emotional player but there is a difference between being easily riled up and doing a lousy job at defending yourself. She was trying to divert attention away from herself and onto X for an opening post that didn’t stick out to me in any kind of way, and now she is defending herself by pointing out how nobody has said anything about Tress while she has yet to write her first game related post. And as for me nudging Red while voting Mish: I only have one vote dude. If I had two I would have voted both of them because as I have already explained I find both of them scummy and creating competing trains would be a good idea.

 

 

How is this changing my story? I read up on the thread. As I stated I would in my first post, wich you conveniently neglected to include.

 

Let me include my whole sequense of posts...

 

 

 

 

I was about to complain about catching up on 12 pages, and then I skimmed the last page and looks like it's still joking. Awesome. That means I can post this:

 

Saying here I'm going to catch up.

 

Misused memes *shudder*

 

 

Much easier to look over 12 pages of jokes right before bedtime, than serious game.

 

Here I say I'm looking over the game.

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

Here I again state I was going to catch up.

 

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

So you see the thread is still jovial, seem happy by that. Make an over explanatory post about joining in on the jokes, get called out on your post, wade through the thread trying to make it serious and now complaining about being called out for making a joke post. Is that right?

 

 

No, I'm rolling my eyes at the sorry excuse for votes I was getting.

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

so let me get this striaght.

 

you didn't do the blue, instead only doign the green and assumed the red because of one page

 

 

I was posting while starting catching up, yes. And that is a problem because....?

 

 

Here I state I am catching up and posting while doing so.

 

Didn't say that, Mynd. Said I was reading the thread before going to bed. Takes me a while to get ready, so reading and replaying to the game in the meantime.

 

But now im done with all that. So see ya all tomorrow.

 

And again, saying I read the thread before hitting bed.

 

 

 

I forgot to quote the post where I quoted and voted X, but that should have shown I was indeed reading up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So tell me again please Cloud. How did I change my story?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yates: Wish he'd post more about the game in general, has mostly been going head to head with Red and nothing else. Iffy, mixed read.

 

Wombat: What Tress said, basically. Also misreps (said he wanted me to comment on more people, when I had just done so). His questioning of Red p29 is a bit better though. But my gut says scum.

Des: As said before, didn't come into the game like he does, almost zero gameplay content, discusses off.topic things instead. Highly pingy. Has had a few posts on later pages, but still no game content.

Scum lean on this slot.

 

Red: Slig ht scum lean. Her reason for keeping her vote on Tommy is eh at best.  Bad gut feeling. Going in circles with Yates over a tiny thing, seems like wanting to give the impression of scumhunting without actually doing. She followed Mynd onto me, then turned on Tommy for a joke vote, and then was stuck in semantics back and forth with Yates forever. Claim helps negate some of the bad stuff, but OP says scum has safe claims, so not completly.

 

CloudAmega: Amega, I can't remember much of his posts, gotta go back and look when I come home tonight. Cloud, scum, seriously misrepping me, and not commenting on anything else in the game.  Big fat scum.

 

AJ: good town read so far.

Cory: Null so far, hard person for me to read.

 

Jack: Immediatly comes in and links AJ and Red, doesn't say why. Doesn't get to posting before Darthe has threatened with modkills. Iffy feels.

 

Dice: Also comes to play when darthe threatens with modkills, saying he can play now that the memefest is over. Memefest was over well over 10 pages before that... Iffy feels.

 

Mynd, town lean, feels like his posts at me were trying to get the game going and see what happened from it.

 

Dawn, unsure. Slightly leaning unsure newb town so far. She's less flippant than in the game I played with her when she was mafia.

 

Xthrax, focuses solely on Mistress when he posts after I first voted him... Not good. He is usually more vocal than this. FoS. Slight scum lean.

 

NyanKat: Don't like Nyn not commenting on anything else going on when she came back. But essentially null.

 

Zanube: Has very few posts and most are off.topic as far as I can remember. Slight scum.

 

Tommy: Town read so far.

 

Nolder: Null.

 

Lenlo: Null.

 

Verbalina: Haven't been able to get much of a read out of their posts,, based ourely on meta I have a slightly bad gut feel. But I'll need to see more to get a proper read. Null.

 

Hallia/Leelou: Pretty much null. Although not a fan of the parked vote and little commentary on new content from Leelou. Bit better feel from Hallia.

 

 

 

##unvote vote Cloud

 

I'd be less willing to vote Red as I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt over her claim for today. Still more than happy about going back to X, or switching to DesBat.