The Ultimate Showdown: PART DEUX - GAME OVER, Town Wins

csarmi · March 18, 2014

That would be too much of a swing though.

Well maffiaz can add their power up. And townies have a good chance to find the maffiaz. Usually the townies have the Maffia team figured out on average by this time.

So I could see this being somewhat balanced even if this just kills. Huge swing potential tho.

Niniel · March 18, 2014

On 3/17/2014 at 9:12 PM, WWWwombat said:

##Vote Turin Again

Never shoulda gave you up

Never shoulda let you down

Now I'm gonna run around and behead you

Now I'm gonna make you cry

Not even gonna say goodbye

Never gonna tell a lie but I'll still hurt you

This was the best one so far. :D

On 3/17/2014 at 11:36 PM, Turin Turambar said:

DAP SHOOT Mish. She willing to say that Cloud NOT converted. Never said SHE not converted.

Also Saying answered when asked for a specific versus a general answer not the same.

How would the person get two results? What would they format as?

Tina said names NOT given in result. Would the person just get TOWN; NOT TOWN? that wouldn't be very helpful.

Did anyone actually target one of the people that Cloud/Mish claim to have linked? not once? amazing...

I don´t know if that is important or not. If it´s Darthe´s way to answer in a special way or if he is just lazy.

On 3/18/2014 at 4:14 AM, Andrej said:

Boy... 30 pages or so to catch up on. Sorry that I have been absent. I had two different families staying with me over the weekend and Mafia was the last thing on my mind. I think I'm dead in my other two games actually

I can confirm what Lenlo has said. He jailed me last Night and we had a nice little chat. I wouldn't have even known if it weren't for receiving an email notification along with a QT link.

It's good to know we have a coroner finally. I agree with what Despo said in that we should start to coordinate our NAs a bit. Tina needs to stay alive at least until we figure out if the scum team has a sort of perma-janitor. I could see how her role would fit if a game mechanic like that was in play. Lenlo you should pick one of Tina/Dom to jail each Night so the other can still try to investigate while keeping the one you protect under wraps.

@Des - I'm gonna need you to clarify a bit on how your role works. I revealed to Len who and what I am while we were in jail together so your result is a bit weird. You mentioned something extra, I'd like to know what.

Dap is likely the SK IMO. Not sure how he was resurrected but if he is compulsive then his slot had to kill N0. When Pralaya was killed. Who most agree was mafia therefore not a scum team NK. Sort of surprised and disappointed no one has thought of this yet. Who did you target last Night Dap? From the scene it sounds like Amega had some sort of vengeful role if they both died. Or perhaps Dap killed Amega and the scum team killed Dap.

Okay so from what I gather our role situation looks like this:

Tina - Coroner/Cop

Wombat - No claim

TG - Shady with it

Cloud&Mish - Mason/Twins with a linkage ability

CS - Phoenix/IC

Turin - BG

Ithi - Double voter/Tree stump

Dom - Some sort of investigative role

Dap - Compulsive Vig

Lenlo - JK

Did I miss anyone? Having multiple resurrecting roles (treestump/phoenix) that come back as more-or-less confirmed townies sounds like a pretty legit way to counter the perma-janitor mechanic we seem to be dealing with and the high number of killing roles (Night Kills/SK/Vig).

Turin > Wombat > TG > Dap > Cloud/Mish

That's my short list. I know Wombat has been 'cleared' but I'm choosing not to trust it. The post-restriction Des talked about could be legit, but it also easily is a way for him to hide and not really have to post much except for verse.

How come you trust me but not my viewing on Wombat? Is it for some special reason? You didn´t add yourself to that list.

Niniel · March 18, 2014

Just to make this clear (have just woken up): We will send a PM to Darthe with five names that will be sacrified? We don´t know what will happen to them? And there are no usual na´s?

csarmi · March 18, 2014

@Tina - would you like to elaborate on why you said earlier that you couldn't be killed tonight?

csarmi · March 18, 2014

@Darthe - Is it night now? The scene seems to indicate that but ...

csarmi · March 18, 2014

Another thing that comes to mind.

What can we deduce from the fact that no one claimed to have done the revival?

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

There was a * next to the billion dollars and ok so you hammered.

I still think that if you talked less people would listen more lol

You have to give names for altars? Sounds like Aliens vs Predator

You're going to get your brains eaten.

Am out all day with my boys adios.

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

Oh - I think the bad guys revived Dap cos he's an SK

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

On 3/18/2014 at 4:14 AM, Andrej said:

Boy... 30 pages or so to catch up on. Sorry that I have been absent. I had two different families staying with me over the weekend and Mafia was the last thing on my mind. I think I'm dead in my other two games actually

I can confirm what Lenlo has said. He jailed me last Night and we had a nice little chat. I wouldn't have even known if it weren't for receiving an email notification along with a QT link.

It's good to know we have a coroner finally. I agree with what Despo said in that we should start to coordinate our NAs a bit. Tina needs to stay alive at least until we figure out if the scum team has a sort of perma-janitor. I could see how her role would fit if a game mechanic like that was in play. Lenlo you should pick one of Tina/Dom to jail each Night so the other can still try to investigate while keeping the one you protect under wraps.

@Des - I'm gonna need you to clarify a bit on how your role works. I revealed to Len who and what I am while we were in jail together so your result is a bit weird. You mentioned something extra, I'd like to know what.

Dap is likely the SK IMO. Not sure how he was resurrected but if he is compulsive then his slot had to kill N0. When Pralaya was killed. Who most agree was mafia therefore not a scum team NK. Sort of surprised and disappointed no one has thought of this yet. Who did you target last Night Dap? From the scene it sounds like Amega had some sort of vengeful role if they both died. Or perhaps Dap killed Amega and the scum team killed Dap.

Okay so from what I gather our role situation looks like this:

Tina - Coroner/Cop

Wombat - No claim

TG - Shady with it

Cloud&Mish - Mason/Twins with a linkage ability

CS - Phoenix/IC

Turin - BG

Ithi - Double voter/Tree stump

Dom - Some sort of investigative role

Dap - Compulsive Vig

Lenlo - JK

Did I miss anyone? Having multiple resurrecting roles (treestump/phoenix) that come back as more-or-less confirmed townies sounds like a pretty legit way to counter the perma-janitor mechanic we seem to be dealing with and the high number of killing roles (Night Kills/SK/Vig).

Turin > Wombat > TG > Dap > Cloud/Mish

That's my short list. I know Wombat has been 'cleared' but I'm choosing not to trust it. The post-restriction Des talked about could be legit, but it also easily is a way for him to hide and not really have to post much except for verse.

And before we walk to school ... AJ has written this out most carefully and then copied and pasted it.

Now I know we've discussed this a million time, and if you sometimes start with a quote from someone it changes the background format, but this is not the case here.

So AJ has carefully crafted this post, for whatever reason, and pasted it into the game. It was not just typed up in the game at the time he was thinking of it.

Sacrifice people:

CSarmi

Dap

AJ

Len

Mish or Cloud (share the same abilities and if one changes the other should spot it)

Actually choosing one of Dap and Tommy would be interesting too.

Tommy says he's the smart one. Maybe he's the Mafia head.

Oh priest and sadist? Sounds like one of them isn't good - right?

Niniel · March 18, 2014

On 3/18/2014 at 7:19 AM, csarmi said:
@Tina - would you like to elaborate on why you said earlier that you couldn't be killed tonight?

That was when I thought it would be an ordinary night. I don't think it's working now.

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

OH.

How many dead people are there that are still dead?

What if the five people you select are swapped with them?

You might have to lynch Turin and RTE and Dice all over again lol.

Well maybe not RTE. I can't imagine him coming back as we know he was def 3rd party.

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

You should probably nominate Rags.

He's mostly absent.

Niniel · March 18, 2014

Sadist and priest are just roles so they are not an indication on alignment.

If we only knew what will happen to those we sacrify...

hazelkrs1 · March 18, 2014

On 3/18/2014 at 7:03 AM, TinaHel said:
Just to make this clear (have just woken up): We will send a PM to Darthe with five names that will be sacrified? We don´t know what will happen to them? And there are no usual na´s?

I'm not sure, but I think this is like a twilight (or dusk hehe) phase. I think after this sacrifice thing is resolved it then goes to night. I could be wrong tho.

On 3/18/2014 at 8:05 AM, Ithillian said:

There was a * next to the billion dollars and ok so you hammered.

I still think that if you talked less people would listen more lol

Bold: Okay so I think you owe me a billion dollars, and you think you owe me nothing. What say we settle on 5 poiuyntses?

Italics: You may not have ever spoken truer words lol. But, that prob won't stop me from posting what I want to say. Sometimes it's for my benefit as much as everyone else's, typing out exactly what I'm thinking helps get my thoughts rolling really well. And even if most people don't read everything I say, for the few that do, that tiny little bit might be what helps ensure a victory later on or something.

On 3/18/2014 at 8:06 AM, Ithillian said:
Oh - I think the bad guys revived Dap cos he's an SK

I think you think that because he killed you.

Claiming kills as a SK isn't a very good play at all. If you keep hanging around you'll eventually get viewed to make sure you weren't lying or a SK, or lynched after a bunch of mafia are killed but game is still going on. I have yet to see a SK claim to be a Vig and live to win the game. Only SK victories I've seen are when they lie as low as possible.

I WILL say that I think of all the players left, Dap is the most likely to have been recruited, likely when he was revived. We don't know anything about the revive mechanics yet, but the fact that no one claimed the revive on him is obv troubling to say the least.

On 3/18/2014 at 8:27 AM, Ithillian said:

On 3/18/2014 at 4:14 AM, Andrej said:

Boy... 30 pages or so to catch up on. Sorry that I have been absent. I had two different families staying with me over the weekend and Mafia was the last thing on my mind. I think I'm dead in my other two games actually

I can confirm what Lenlo has said. He jailed me last Night and we had a nice little chat. I wouldn't have even known if it weren't for receiving an email notification along with a QT link.

It's good to know we have a coroner finally. I agree with what Despo said in that we should start to coordinate our NAs a bit. Tina needs to stay alive at least until we figure out if the scum team has a sort of perma-janitor. I could see how her role would fit if a game mechanic like that was in play. Lenlo you should pick one of Tina/Dom to jail each Night so the other can still try to investigate while keeping the one you protect under wraps.

@Des - I'm gonna need you to clarify a bit on how your role works. I revealed to Len who and what I am while we were in jail together so your result is a bit weird. You mentioned something extra, I'd like to know what.

Dap is likely the SK IMO. Not sure how he was resurrected but if he is compulsive then his slot had to kill N0. When Pralaya was killed. Who most agree was mafia therefore not a scum team NK. Sort of surprised and disappointed no one has thought of this yet. Who did you target last Night Dap? From the scene it sounds like Amega had some sort of vengeful role if they both died. Or perhaps Dap killed Amega and the scum team killed Dap.

Okay so from what I gather our role situation looks like this:

Tina - Coroner/Cop

Wombat - No claim

TG - Shady with it

Cloud&Mish - Mason/Twins with a linkage ability

CS - Phoenix/IC

Turin - BG

Ithi - Double voter/Tree stump

Dom - Some sort of investigative role

Dap - Compulsive Vig

Lenlo - JK

Did I miss anyone? Having multiple resurrecting roles (treestump/phoenix) that come back as more-or-less confirmed townies sounds like a pretty legit way to counter the perma-janitor mechanic we seem to be dealing with and the high number of killing roles (Night Kills/SK/Vig).

Turin > Wombat > TG > Dap > Cloud/Mish

That's my short list. I know Wombat has been 'cleared' but I'm choosing not to trust it. The post-restriction Des talked about could be legit, but it also easily is a way for him to hide and not really have to post much except for verse.

And before we walk to school ... AJ has written this out most carefully and then copied and pasted it.

Now I know we've discussed this a million time, and if you sometimes start with a quote from someone it changes the background format, but this is not the case here.

So AJ has carefully crafted this post, for whatever reason, and pasted it into the game. It was not just typed up in the game at the time he was thinking of it.

First of all, I find this tactic to be underhanded and outside the spirit of the game.

Second, this particular type of formatting bug almost assuredly came from AJ copying the player list from the OP. The background stuff is exactly how it would appear if this was the case. The blue background is when people post from a QT.

Third, AJ is a pretty experienced player, and not one to be undone by underhanded formatting errors

Fourth, this tactic is ineffective anyways, as someone COULD have been working on a post like this for a while in either a QT or word doc or something... and that doesn't prove that they're scum. Which is why it's such a silly tactic to use.

Fifth, AJ was cleared town by me and Tommy N1. He could have been recruited since then (he has posted a lot less for a while now), but if you're gonna tinfoil you should at least try and justify how your target could have been viewed as town, or else not trust anything me or Tommy says.

On 3/18/2014 at 8:27 AM, Ithillian said:

Sacrifice people:

CSarmi

Dap

AJ

Len

Mish or Cloud (share the same abilities and if one changes the other should spot it)

I was kinda assuming that Mish and Cloud both needed to be alive to use their ability (for a couple of reasons, both of which I can't go into atm), but I guess this is silly.

Still, you seem soooo eager to kill one of Mish or Cloud lol. And I don't mean in general, cause Cloud seemed uberscummy to me too, but even after their mason claim was fleshed out completely.

But, I must consider that if both aren't needed to use the ability, sacrificing one would be a good safe option.

On 3/18/2014 at 8:27 AM, Ithillian said:

Actually choosing one of Dap and Tommy would be interesting too.

Tommy says he's the smart one. Maybe he's the Mafia head.

Oh priest and sadist? Sounds like one of them isn't good - right?

...

Ithi, you are definitely the Tinfoiling Champion this game.

Priest is a role that disallows the player from casting hammer votes.

Sadist is actually a variant of the Actor role, which disallows any vote besides the hammer. Guess Darthe got a bit mixed up there or something.

If you're just tinfoiling on Tommy and I to decrease the chances of us being NK'ed, then thank you I guess lol.

But if you're seriously still transfixed with the idea that one of us is town, the other scum, when I have stated umpteen times that we share slot, alignment, role pm, each other's woman from time to time, and vote (okay, mighta been fibbing on one of those LAWLZ), and therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to be off different alignment, than well I just don't know what to say anymore.

hazelkrs1 · March 18, 2014

1. Hally - Killed Night 1

2. Des

2.5. Tom

3. TG

4. Laya - Killed Night 0

5. Dice - Killed Day 1

6. Cloud

7. Turin - Killed Day 3

8. Mish

9. Amegakure - Killed Night 2

10. Lenlo

11. TinaHel

12. ~~Ley~~ Dap - Killed Night 2, Revived Day 3

13. AJ

14. RTE - George Castanza, Third Party Sycophant Killed Day 2

15. Salami

16. Rag

17. Xthrax - Killed Night 1

18. Ithillian - Killed Night 1

19. Wombat

Going to quickly give examples of the two types of formatting bugs... In this first example I copied the player list from the OP (by just highlighting the text from the post itself, not quoting it and then c/ping it) and then pasted it into the posting box without first toggling the edit button thingy in the top left.

hazelkrs1 · March 18, 2014

Thanks for the Cliffs Tom Hanks

XD

And in this example I quoted something from me and Tom's QT and pasted it into the post box without first toggling the edit mode button

Niniel · March 18, 2014

I agree with you about the formating. I was lynched in a game because I copied the text to a Word doc and the copied it back here.

I really don´t know who to pick. Two that I believe is town and three that I´m unsure of. Or the other way around? Csarmi would probably come back.

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

Well yes I know that happens. I said it happens. But he didn't start with the list.

My point on a carefully crafted post is still valid.

Is tinfoiling the word of the day?

I never said I knew all the Roles. I've only played on DM.

I'm still dead. Why you worried about people paying attention to me?

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

He could have written it in word for sure.

I never said anything about a QT - more that it didn't seem to be written on the spot. I think he took his time writing it and that's always interesting.

And allows for the easy check and recheck of stuff likely to possibly cause suspicion.

AND anyways. If you are actually Town you probly not dead cos the Mafia think I'm gonna press a lynch on you.

Actually - if I was Mafia and you were Town, I'd have tried to kill one of you and hope for a two-fer.

But you still here.

Isn't it fun?

Maybe I'll be back soon :)

hazelkrs1 · March 18, 2014

Alright so back to the matter at hand.

Let's say for a second that Cloud and Mish don't have to both be alive to use the ability. In that case, it's easy to see that one of them becomes a good sacrifice candidate.

So again I think Salami is the best and easiest choice to sacrifice as he might come back as an Innocent Child if he's telling the truth.

Dap has an ability which could be antitown if he still has it, could have no ability, and also could have been recruited. So he's prob the second safest option.

Cloud would be the third safest option if their ability works with only one of them.

Lenlo would be the fourth safest option imo, as his role has some negative utility for town and not much positive utility.

The last option is a little tough as there are a number of good candidates imo... I still don't buy TG's hints at an investigative role "of some kind", AJ for something I don't wanna mention yet, Rags cause he's inactive and doesn't likely have a central role or at the very least likely isn't using it, and Wombat cause he has appeared scummy to me and has gone back utr a bit after his apparent PR came on. Out of that group I'd prob go with Rags as the safest option.

So atm, if Mish and Cloud don't both need to be alive to use their ability, I'm thinking the best sacrifice candidates would be Salami, Dap, Cloud, Lenlo, and Rags.

hazelkrs1 · March 18, 2014

On 3/18/2014 at 9:49 AM, Ithillian said:
I'm still dead. Why you worried about people paying attention to me?

You have a lot of clout in mafia games. Especially at the BT.

And in case you didn't know, tinfoiling is a reference to conspiracy theorists who were tinfoil hats to prevent the government from transmitting signals into their brain hehe. It's a funny way of saying someone is talking about something or some things that are technically possible, but HIGHLY unlikely. It's obviously going to happen in every game, much the way there will be wifom in every game, but excessive tinfoiling pretty much just distracts town from what it's supposed to be doing.

Can we just drop the formatting thing since really nothing productive will come out of that discussion?

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

On 3/18/2014 at 8:27 AM, Ithillian said:

Sacrifice people:

CSarmi

Dap

AJ

Len

Mish or Cloud (share the same abilities and if one changes the other should spot it)

Actually choosing one of Dap and Tommy would be interesting too.

On 3/18/2014 at 9:26 AM, Ithillian said:

You should probably nominate Rags.

He's mostly absent.

hazelkrs1 · March 18, 2014

*wear tinfoil hats lol

Ithillian Turambar · March 18, 2014

I was never talking about the formatting. I was talking about someone taking the time to write a wonderfully crafted post.

But you can keep trying to discount it by saying I'm on about the background colour coding.

hazelkrs1 · March 18, 2014

On 3/18/2014 at 10:07 AM, Ithillian said:

On 3/18/2014 at 8:27 AM, Ithillian said:

Sacrifice people:

CSarmi

Dap

AJ

Len

Mish or Cloud (share the same abilities and if one changes the other should spot it)

Actually choosing one of Dap and Tommy would be interesting too.

On 3/18/2014 at 9:26 AM, Ithillian said:

You should probably nominate Rags.

He's mostly absent.

So were essentially in total agreement about this at least lol.

Salami

Dap

Cloud*

Rags

Lenlo

TG

AJ

This is how I'd rank em. If Cloud has to be alive for their ability to work, then remove him from the list.

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