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[michellem]

@Des, intersted in your opinion on Hallia.

 

 

Mish can you explain how you could have Csarmi as null when you were voting TG for TMI regarding Csarmi subbing out?

 

 

Because it looked like TG knew Csarmi was town. It was the general feel I got from his posts. Also like he'd been in a QT and there'd been talk there about Csarmi.

[Lenlo]

 

Lenlo's #109 is really bad. He first says the thing between me and Salami was amusing, then +1's Mish's rage post about us fighting, even tho he again implies that the situation amused him. I could def see scum being amused with some town-on-town violence. Tbh, this makes a Lenlo/Mish scum pairing look less likely tho.

 

 

It amused me cause it was such a silly argument to me. Im sorry but when people fight about silly things I get amused.

 

Sooooo many players not voting. Get your act together peoples.

 

Speaking of, how is it that no one has voted Lenlo today? I forgot how scummy he looked, during reread he is looking purdy stinky.

Im to pretty to lynch maybe?

[Darthe]

I think Rides Darthes Jock id my new favorite DM phrase for two people being agreeable

[Tommyrod]

Can we vote for scumbat please

 

I am quite certain he is a wolf

 

The tactic of being persnickety and letting people trip over their own laces instead of actively boxing them out is one I've often seen used by power wolves of all shapes and sizes

 

I don't believe that he believes what he is saying; I think he's just trying to put suspicion wherever is most convenient and you guys write that off as villagery aggression

 

Like: good for him that he can pull that off, but it seems pretty transparent to my eye

 

So I doubt I'll be moving my vote today and I hope you #listen to me

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count:

Wombat (1) - Tommy
Hallia (2) - TG, Mish
Dap (3) - Rags, Wombat, Peace

Dice (1) - BFG

Lenlo (1) - Despo

Not voting (7) - Turin, Hallia, Darthe, Dice, Dap, Lenlo

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Monday, March 3 @ 8PM CST - Countdown link

 

DEADLINE IS IN JUST OVER 9-1/2 HOURS

[WWWwombat]

Sup.  Gonna catch up and see if you scrubs did anything memorable over the weekend.  Not optimistic.

[michellem]

Forgotten to keep an eye on deadline. Crap. Ok, I'm willing to lynch Dap, Hallia and Lenlo today.

[Darthe]

Can we vote for scumbat please

 

I am quite certain he is a wolf

 

The tactic of being persnickety and letting people trip over their own laces instead of actively boxing them out is one I've often seen used by power wolves of all shapes and sizes

 

I don't believe that he believes what he is saying; I think he's just trying to put suspicion wherever is most convenient and you guys write that off as villagery aggression

 

Like: good for him that he can pull that off, but it seems pretty transparent to my eye

 

So I doubt I'll be moving my vote today and I hope you #listen to me

 

I want to say no, I am not sold.  I have a tough time with Womby though, he makes me torn.

[WWWwombat]

Emotions are weird things and are useless and we should all be robots for the better good

 

What would Darthe do for fun then?

 

 

@TG I still don't think his claim was honest.  It had no merit.

 

Yep.  I was 50/50 on the claim but willing to let it slide and give him a chance to prove it.  My patience is wearing thin.

 

 

Alright giving this a go. Not gonna spoiler it since it's smaller than my multiquote walls.

 

I think this is Wombat's first post of the game, and well this might be paranoia, but the "Raise your hand if you're a Doc!" part has me feeling weird. Almost certainly a joke, or at least disguised as a joke, but it also could have been a not-subtle fishing attempt. Additionally it could be seen as a breadcrumb for a Doc claim later, but Wombat is too good a mafia player to breadcrumb or soft claim Doc if he really was one. Anyhoo. He votes Lenlo (Lenlo responds immediately in a friendly manner, and Wombat has recently come to defend Lenlo as town, hasn't he? I know Tommy has... anyways this def leaves the door open for Wombat/Lenlo to be scum/scum.

I was fishing for scum, not the doc. Think about the show for a second. Didn't get any real bites at the time, but you coming back to this stinks. Also, Lenlo is on my scum reads list, so idk where you get me defending him from.

 

Hmmmm... adding to this theory is the fact that Salami in his next post fos's Wombat for potentially fishing. I doubt the mafia team saw Salami as a real threat, and I don't remember any PR hints from him, so this could have been at least part of the reason Salami was NK'ed.

 

I believe this was Mish's OP. I still think that there's a ton of mock outrage in that post. I know she had recently railed off against people going one-on-one a lot, but after reading through me and Salami's early interaction, I don't think her tone was warranted at all. It never got personal, never got that heated. And Mish doesn't fos either of us either for possibly hiding behind meta or a gambit or anything, almost like she knew we were both town, so potential TMI alert. Didn't like her response to Darthe either, in referencing a game which really wasn't relevant at all to the situation that was going on.

Yeah, I didn't like that post either, but Mish has been playing pretty townie lately what with trying to keep the game moving when no one else is. Town lean on her.

 

this post was, where he rides Darthe's jock after Darthe said he'd be willing to lynch any of the three most visible players at that point.

 

Lenlo's #109 is really bad. He first says the thing between me and Salami was amusing, then +1's Mish's rage post about us fighting, even tho he again implies that the situation amused him. I could def see scum being amused with some town-on-town violence. Tbh, this makes a Lenlo/Mish scum pairing look less likely tho.

 

I forgot Kaylee was playing. Link isn't really important btw, I prob didn't need to link that at all lol. But yeah it feels like she's been laying low for a while after drawing some early attention.

Lenlo hasn't done anything memorable this game except for his garbage reads. Not sure why you say Mish is lying low though. She doesn't seem to be inactive to me.

 

When I first saw this post from Turin, it gave me townie vibes, since Turin was mentioning the more important things as well as pointing out smaller stuff, which town!Turin will def do in games. However in retrospect I don't like the post nearly as much, as it has some weak fos points (stretch armstrong woulda been proud), a lot of fence sitting, and some opportunism as well in his fos on TG. Altho I feel worse about my town read on TG than before, still looks like a weak point to have started the push on him (pretty sure Turin was the first to fos TG on TMI about Salami ragequitting). At the very least I highly doubt Turin and TG would be scum/scum.

 

Alright so actually I'm coming back to Darthe's infamous "If I see a bit more heat for voting her than removing it". So, I checked, and ONE person commented/queried Darthe about his switching his stance on Mish: AJ. That's it. The dude who was NK'ed and flipped town. So yeah tbh this actually reawakens my suspicions on Darthe. When pressed about this post, it took him forever to actually explain himself, and he pretty much resorted to using the same reasoning Wombat had already provided him (that he'd be worried about others chainsaw defending Mish). The fact that ONE person queries Darthe about his switch, yet Darthe cryptically comments about continuing to catch heat on his switch has me wary of him again. Makes me feel silly for clearing him based on my reaction test of him.

 

This post makes Mish a pretty good info lynch for today. She is the first to comment on Turin's fos of TG, has a pretty emo response to Wombat's vote on her, and later says she would vote either Darthe or TG but votes TG. If she flipped scum, it would add to the cases on Turin and Darthe, and would sort of spew Wombat clear as town. If she flipped town, then we won't know much more about Turin or Wombat, but Darthe would look slightly more questionable. That being said, her next post looks more feasible to me than it did initially. Looks like a true emotional response; when she fakes AtE, she tends to ramble a lot more.

 

Turin potentially chainsaw defends Darthe. He also says if you add in the CS thing (along with my conviction on Darthe's slip) that I am likely mafia, but didn't he originally say the spat between me and Salami didn't look staged? Eh just checked. He actually said it DID look staged initially, but Salami quitting out made him think it wasn't. However he follows this up by saying neither of us is cleared cause he had pings for both of us... I'm getting a bit too wrapped around this right now. I'll come back to this later if it clears up in my head or something lol.

 

Dap's first wot of the game. Initially didn't have much problem with it, and then just now I was thinking there might be a ping for saying the Pray/Salami thing looked contrived considering both have already flipped town. But on THIRD thought, this kinda makes it less likely that Dap would be scum. Why NK someone you've already laid the foundation for a future lynch on? And why NK AJ when you had earlier described an interaction they had with a flipped townie as being contrived, when this could come back and bite you in the ass? Him buddying me doesn't stand out at all to me btw, we both buddy eachother a lot in mafia games.

 

Alright that's just the first 10 pages. Here's how my feelings might have changed on some players from this so far: Mish is leaning more town now, she AtE's as scum but it's easier to spot- she usually rambles during it to make it look less believable. A few of her posts that had the terse and short tone within them makes me think she truly was irritated at the interaction. Regardless, during her defense she seemed genuinely emotional, which is a towntell for her. TG is looking less townie than before for some early posts that looked very opportunistic to me. Darthe seems scummy to me again, for responding all cryptically about others giving him flak for his switch, when in fact it was just AJ at the time. Kaylee is sorta back on my scumdar cause I forgot about her, which isn't a good sign.

 

Back with more in a bit, hopefully I'll be able to finish this tonight. This method takes a lot longer.

 

Rambling diatribe with way too much speculation and very few concrete statements.  I would call this fluff, but it looks like you actually put effort into it so I don't get it.  I kinda get a confused townie vibe from this, but maybe that's what you're going for.

 

Also, meta is not a valid defense for game-related buddying.

 

 

 

 

TG, go ahead and "catch up" on everyone else in this game. It's laughable to ask me if I'm blind when you said absolutely nothing about the "a lot of gameplay" that happened between you buddying and then voting for Darthe.

 

These are the only stances of yours I can discern from your threadplay:

 

-Des was scummy, now town

-Salami was townish, now AJ is scummy

-Darthe was townish, now Darthe is scummy

 

The only one that appears to be unique to you is your defense of Salami. Your comments about both Darthe being scummy now and AJ being scummy now are BOTH things Des said first. So it looks like you're not trying to figuring out anyone's alignment by yourself, but are just following general consensus... or just following Des, really.

 

 

So where is it? What happened that changed your mind, and where? Point it out. Show me the thought process. You're not DOING, you're FOLLOWING. And very conspicuously at that.

 

 

1) CS and Despo went back and forth early game and CS quick claimed for a trumped up reason (Pral's joke was def not an LD, IMO).  I would have expected Despo to go after CS, HARD, which would be consistent. Instead Despo didn't.  I immediately figured something was wrong and called it gambitty and scum/scummy.  Darthe agreed.  Hence, CS & Des scum and Darthe town.

 

2) I realized that the difference is that CS didn't claim VT.  THerefore, my read was off because I misinterpreted the situation.  Thus, CS goes to a town read, Des goes to null, and Darthe loses his town cred.

 

3) Despo and Darthe go back and forth.  Despo makes a good case on Darthe which I agree with.  Despo gets town cred and I sheep my vote onto Despo.

 

4) Despo also pointed out the scumminess by AJ.  I found this to be a better case than what he made on Darthe but I still have CS with town lean so overall I'm not going to put my vote here. 

 

This was my thought process.

 

 

This was one of the posts that gave me a good townie vibe from TG btw. He explains himself fairly quickly after Tommy asks a direct question, and makes his reasoning pretty transparent.

 

 

 

unvote, vote Lenlo

 

Lenlo is scum.

 

 

I explained why I deleted it.  A Mod came into the thread to comment right after I deleted it.  It was explained by others that it had to do with something out of game.  And you still come in and try to bury your vote on me.

You got abit more than just im scum? You can explain why you deleted it all you want, you could have just edited it instead but you chose to delete. Seeing as how I cant go back and look at it since its deleted I also cant verify how much of it was worthy of being gotten rid of. 

 

Besides your deletion isnt the only reason I voted you. I mentioned it because it was worth mentioning it but it is not the sole reason for my vote.

 

 

 

 

 

Vote TG

 

2. I posed this question to you earlier, but here again you are saying that because CS claimed town over VT that this makes the sitatuation different. How exactly? It's still a town claim no matter how you chop it.

 

4. So you think that Despo made a strong case that I am scum versus Darthe, but you vote on the bigger train anyway because my prior slot holder was a town lean? Nah man...

I answered above.

 

And yes, I'm going to vote based on total body of my thoughts.  So too bad if you don't like the fact that I'm not voting you.  Either way, Lenlo just came in with the scummiest posts overall, so my vote goes there.

 

*shrug*

 

Alright. I completely disagree and think your just shooting for what you believe to be an easy target, but its your vote.

 

Now if youll excuse me im gonna go back to joking. Twas more entertaining than arguing with you.

 

 

And these two posts just reaffirmed my scumread on Lenlo. Bolded in first quote shows Lenlo LITERALLY didn't even look out for the post or anything, because it WAS edited, not "deleted in it's entirety". Had he actually been following up on something he might have maybe actually tried LOOKING for the post to see what others might have been talking about (obv you can't find a post that isn't there, but using context you could at least see where he might have posted then deleted it). Lenlo was just parroting what others said about the situation without actually looking into the matter himself.

 

Bold in second quote is gross- Lenlo had no other votes on him at the time. How was TG going for an easy target? Again, I think Lenlo was just parroting what he heard others saying to try and blend in.

 

Underlined in second post tho is revolting. Lenlo trying to scurry off instead of getting caught in a protracted argument. Blatant attempt at trying to fade back into the shadows.

 

Screw it. My Wombat read is slightly muddled with Dap looking slightly worse, my Darthe read is back to scum but eh, and I've flipped on Mish a bit as well.

 

Lenlo hasn't looked any cleaner to me at all on reread so far. Time for a fire drill!

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo.

 

 

Ok, I get it now.  You've kinda tried to link Lenlo to me, Mish, and Darthe and now you're going for him as an info lynch.  For the record, what exactly would Lenlo's flip tell you?

[WWWwombat]

I think Rides Darthes Jock id my new favorite DM phrase for two people being agreeable

 

Naturally.

 

 

Can we vote for scumbat please

 

I am quite certain he is a wolf

 

The tactic of being persnickety and letting people trip over their own laces instead of actively boxing them out is one I've often seen used by power wolves of all shapes and sizes

 

I don't believe that he believes what he is saying; I think he's just trying to put suspicion wherever is most convenient and you guys write that off as villagery aggression

 

Like: good for him that he can pull that off, but it seems pretty transparent to my eye

 

So I doubt I'll be moving my vote today and I hope you #listen to me

 

Cool camp vote, bro.  You gonna take a stance on anyone other than me?

 

 

 

Can we vote for scumbat please

 

I am quite certain he is a wolf

 

The tactic of being persnickety and letting people trip over their own laces instead of actively boxing them out is one I've often seen used by power wolves of all shapes and sizes

 

I don't believe that he believes what he is saying; I think he's just trying to put suspicion wherever is most convenient and you guys write that off as villagery aggression

 

Like: good for him that he can pull that off, but it seems pretty transparent to my eye

 

So I doubt I'll be moving my vote today and I hope you #listen to me

 

I want to say no, I am not sold.  I have a tough time with Womby though, he makes me torn.

 

 

Working as intended.

[dicetosser1]

Des theres no need for me to distance myself from the NK.

 

I simply posted my thought at the time. It seemed to me that there had been a bit of discussion about AJ and I wanted to point out it could be a setup before town went off half cocked.

[TheRagnarok]

I have noticed that now Dap is the vote leader and it's not the weekend, everyone else is becoming a suspect.  I think I will stay on Dap.

[TheRagnarok]

Des Can you explain how you went from...

Alright giving this a go. Not gonna spoiler it since it's smaller than my multiquote walls.

 

Dap's first wot of the game. Initially didn't have much problem with it, and then just now I was thinking there might be a ping for saying the Pray/Salami thing looked contrived considering both have already flipped town. But on THIRD thought, this kinda makes it less likely that Dap would be scum. Why NK someone you've already laid the foundation for a future lynch on? And why NK AJ when you had earlier described an interaction they had with a flipped townie as being contrived, when this could come back and bite you in the ass? Him buddying me doesn't stand out at all to me btw, we both buddy eachother a lot in mafia games.

 

Back with more in a bit, hopefully I'll be able to finish this tonight. This method takes a lot longer.

Dap is less likely to be scum to...

 

 

And these two posts just reaffirmed my scumread on Lenlo. Bolded in first quote shows Lenlo LITERALLY didn't even look out for the post or anything, because it WAS edited, not "deleted in it's entirety". Had he actually been following up on something he might have maybe actually tried LOOKING for the post to see what others might have been talking about (obv you can't find a post that isn't there, but using context you could at least see where he might have posted then deleted it). Lenlo was just parroting what others said about the situation without actually looking into the matter himself.

 

Bold in second quote is gross- Lenlo had no other votes on him at the time. How was TG going for an easy target? Again, I think Lenlo was just parroting what he heard others saying to try and blend in.

 

Underlined in second post tho is revolting. Lenlo trying to scurry off instead of getting caught in a protracted argument. Blatant attempt at trying to fade back into the shadows.

 

Screw it. My Wombat read is slightly muddled with Dap looking slightly worse, my Darthe read is back to scum but eh, and I've flipped on Mish a bit as well.

 

Lenlo hasn't looked any cleaner to me at all on reread so far. Time for a fire drill!

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo.

 

Dap looks slightly worse.

[TheRagnarok]

 

This sequence sounds like you were looking for something to say.

 

You're saying that the mafia are looking to set up the people that were pushing AJ as mafia and your explanation for why this might be a viable tactic is that people have a knee jerk reaction. Yet so far nobody has had that sort of reaction, so why start down this train of thought? This doesn't seem natural to me.

 

vote Dice

 

I can see it coming across that way, but it struck me as a townie trying to find an answer.  I think scum would have been more careful in how they approached that line of questioning. 

[TheRagnarok]

 

And these two posts just reaffirmed my scumread on Lenlo. Bolded in first quote shows Lenlo LITERALLY didn't even look out for the post or anything, because it WAS edited, not "deleted in it's entirety". Had he actually been following up on something he might have maybe actually tried LOOKING for the post to see what others might have been talking about (obv you can't find a post that isn't there, but using context you could at least see where he might have posted then deleted it). Lenlo was just parroting what others said about the situation without actually looking into the matter himself.

 

Bold in second quote is gross- Lenlo had no other votes on him at the time. How was TG going for an easy target? Again, I think Lenlo was just parroting what he heard others saying to try and blend in.

 

Underlined in second post tho is revolting. Lenlo trying to scurry off instead of getting caught in a protracted argument. Blatant attempt at trying to fade back into the shadows.

 

Screw it. My Wombat read is slightly muddled with Dap looking slightly worse, my Darthe read is back to scum but eh, and I've flipped on Mish a bit as well.

 

Lenlo hasn't looked any cleaner to me at all on reread so far. Time for a fire drill!

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo.

 

But the Lenlo points in the rest of this are very good. 

[WWWwombat]

Yeah, and Dap hasn't really posted anything of consequence since he started getting votes.

[BFG]

unvote, vote Dap

 

Last time I'll be around today. Fingers crossed enough people show.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

Wombat (1) - Tommy
Hallia (2) - TG, Mish
Dap (4) - Rags, Wombat, Peace, BFG

Lenlo (1) - Despo

Not voting (7) - Turin, Hallia, Darthe, Dice, Dap, Lenlo

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Monday, March 3 @ 8PM CST - Countdown link

 

DEADLINE IS IN JUST under 3 HOURS

[michellem]

unvote vote Dap

 

 

I've been utterly useless this Day, I'm sorry. I can only hope my wi-fi is back soon.

[Hallia]

vote Dap.

 

Don't really see a decent case on Dap, but no one wants random

[Darthe]

Dap is the only legit train... So he is town then.  Okay, moving on.

 

Dap train is Rag, Womby, Peace, BFG, Mish, Hally.

 

On this train I least like Mish, Hally then Womby in that order.

 

Hally and Mish are almost certainly not on the same time.  Let's attempt to vote Wombat.

 

Unvote Vote Wombat

[WWWwombat]

No thanks.

[WWWwombat]

I propose we lynch someone who is actually mafia.  Like Dap.

[WWWwombat]

Also, trying to spin a deadline consolidation as a "one train all day" type scenario is scummy.

[Darthe]

Dap isn't mafia.  Not with no countertrain and no build on his train.  Not when the main reason he is being voted is because he is lackadaisical and hasn't agreed with the popular opinion a few times today.  

 

 

Mind pointing out the other big train today if I am spinning this?