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August 9, 2013: CONCLUDED

Darthe

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Verbal32 Spam Master

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@verb: huh?

 

@despo: have fun and when you get the time, I'd like a full on detailed case, I'd like to see how this Progresses

 

Good night (well its 4 in the morning so good morning)

Didn't vig die in T2, whereas this thread is T3?

Yates Master

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If it was a town Gambit, it was stupid and generally ineffective.

Was the execution perfect? Meh. You guys know Peace better than me. Is this the type of thing you have seen Peace do before in the past? I'm guessing no. I'm guessing Peace is stepping up as the result of some recent games. I think you guys need to start recognizing Town gambits when you see them. This is the new and improved way of playing mafia. I wish I could link to a current game I'm in off site where I just bagged TWO SCUM with a similar gambit. I obviously can't guarantee I'm right but nothing about this feels scummy to me. So, I'd need someone to explain the scum motivation behind it since "to gain Town cred" is exactly the opposite of what it did with this player base.

 

I think 3 games is making people lazy and opportunistic.

This.

 

@Peace: I find it slightly insulting that you think I was just summoning the first reaction possible to the stuff I posted. While I am a passionate player, I am not the most reactionary of one.

This is why I'm surprised at your vote. We have been on the same page lately. This is a pretty big departure from where I'd expect you to go with a gambit like this.

 

So lynch em up, up, up. Lynch em up up up, he's a LIIIAAAR!

The sad truth is - I even sang it this way in my head.

 

You picked someone to almost die just to test for BS right after we had a whole other cop claim thing going in another thread AND after multiple other players have spoken about a recent game of theirs that was won by fake claiming cop.

The bolded is the only reason I think Peace could pull off this gambit. The underlined is nonsense. Those very same "multiple players" have already acknowledged that the situations were VASTLY different. I should know. It was my scum buddy that claimed it. He was already at L-1 and claimed it as a last ditch effort to save his skin. Peace had NO pressure in here. Think about that.

 

When Peace calls out Serra , first ones to jump in are Ishy and tinker.

later when Peace flip his story, the first two to vote Peace are Ishy and Tinker.

This... is a good post. When I get some time I'll need to look at these two a little more closely in this thread.

 

He could have pulled the gambit specifically BECAUSE people wouldn't think he'd needlessly expose himself for nothing.

 

After all, Peace did see scum Yates pull a similar move in a recent game, and in another game he claimed Doc with no suspicion and rode the "There's no way I'd draw attention to myself as scum" angle till endgame there.

Actually, you are misremembering or misrepping. First, I claimed Miller. Second, I saw my scum gambit through to lynch - on a traitor. Third, I spent the rest of the game defending my play even though we caught scum with it. THAT, people, is what Peace saw. Peace saw a tough road to haul. With all due respect to Peace, I think even he acknowledges he wouldn't have made it out of that game alive. It was only my ability to draw out the emo in Des that got me through the day. [i wish my lawn was as emo as Des in that game and would just cut itself.]

 

2. Assuming for a second that Peace was town, and if scum joined on the Serra train only to see Peace out his faked viewing, I doubt they would then try to go all confrontational with him.

WHAT??!! This is straight up...wrong. You're saying scum seeing a Townie run a gambit on another Townie, feeling the attitude of the room, would NOT use that opportunity for an easy mislynch? Is THAT what you are trying to sell right now?

 

Dude. I don't think even YOU believe that. Huge FoS.

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Verbal32 Spam Master

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Vig also died T3

 

Leelou remember

Ah, I sit corrected. I was slightly preoccupied at the time that thread moved forward heh.

bgrishinko Grand Master

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Here's how I see the gambit playing out.

 

T1 just had Verbal killing off the cop with a vengeance kill after Tina revealed. Cloud was a vengeance kill in T2. So it is likely there is a vengeance kill here as well.

 

Peace makes a cop type of play to lynch Serra. Most people are going to believe that sort of act, because we've just seen it happen in T1 to great success. So using the Cross Game meta, Peace decides to throw this together knowing full well people will "Lemming".

 

Two fold advantage for scum, if Peace is a vengeance kill then it's a worthy sacrifice because 1. There is a really high chance the cop will counter claim or at least say something to doubt Peace.

2. Even if the cop says nothing at all, he's bound to be one of the remaining people who doesn't immediately vote. This narrows the NK pool drastically for cop hunting.

 

Well played scum gambit in the bag. That, Peace, is how I think this all went down.

_CLOUD Veteran

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I'm still sticking with my vote on Chuckles because I don't think that Peace pulled off a mafia gambit. 

 

 

 

I smell Gambit.


Could be. And the more I think about it, now would be a helluva time to try. There are four dead Townies in this thread compared to zero scum, they're probably feeling cocky.

And even if not, what if the real Cop had cc'd genius? That was completely reckless and stupid.

Unvote. Vote Peace.

 

 

I see the point you are making about the real cop cc'ing and how that would screw up town, but Peace didn't claim to be the cop. He could have been a tracker for all we know. Peace not claiming a role and just saying that Serra is scum and then unvoting when he got to L-1 makes me think that it was just a town gambit to see how Serra would react, and in my opinion he reacted pretty townie.

 

 

As I said, Town isn't in a position to pull boneheaded moves, we're getting our asses handed to us so far, but scum is in a prime position to try something off the wall. Which is what you did.

So you're either scum or a detriment to Town. Gotta go.

 

It's true that we aren't in a good position right now, and that the scum can afford to be more creative, but lynching Peace because he is a detriment to town won't help either.

 

 

 

Unvote vote Peace

 

Nope. Not ok with fake BS like this.

Think outside the box for a second.  (S)he just saw Verb break down and basically claim scum in T1.  And all Tina had to do was say "Verb is scum" and everyone followed.  Peace saw this as an opportunity to gut check her top scum read, Serra.  Serra did NOT break down like Verb so Peace admitted to the gambit and stopped the lynch.  It was ballsy yes.  But not scummy.  If she had gotten a claim out of Serra?  You'd have a stronger argument.  As it is - no harm, no foul and I feel like Serra and Peace BOTH come out looking Townier for it.

 

 

I agree.

 

 

Tina..you voted me without a reason.  Care to explain your thoughts on why my play is sign of scum? 

 

Basically all several of you are saying is "it could be a gambit."  Is that the best you got?

 

How exactly would this "gambit" play out?  What could possible be accomplished from it? 

 

Let's see.  Pull votes from a chuckles train and push them on Serra...except I stopped the Serra lynch.  Ok..now Chuckles is safe yet I'm on the hook.  Chuckles and I are scum partners in this scenario.  So yall who believe this is the case you are basically stating I'm willing to trade my life for chuckles and let Serra live?  If I'm scum and willing to trade lives...I let Serra die and flip town (if town) and take my lumps the next day.  At least a town player is taken with me. 

 

Ok..let's act like Serra is scum and I am scum.  My play takes heat off Chuckles and points it directly and me and Serra.  That's a wise play for any scum team to make (sarcasm).  That's a pretty effective ploy.  But wait..it's a gambit.  The QT is all about how "no way will they think we'd be so obvious."  But wait...Nolders game was just like that right? I'm not saying it isn't possible (anything is possible in a mafia game) but that is a bold move.

 

Or, maybe just I am scum and was trying to get Serra lynched cause I believe him to be a PR of some sort.  But..I pulled the rip cord and bailed out at the very ended hoping that I could save myself from looking bad...perhaps even gain some town cred.

 

That last scenario is the only legit gambit type play that could be going on here if I'm scum.  But I'm not.  I'm just a little teenage girl who likes social networking and talking with funny accents named Jannessee Linneaux.  Funny that Yates was calling me "she" in this thread.  Wonder what he knows??

 

I also like this post from Peace as he explains why it most likely isn't a mafia gambit because there won't be any profit in doing it, especially because we aren't at endgame.

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Here's how I see the gambit playing out.

 

T1 just had Verbal killing off the cop with a vengeance kill after Tina revealed. Cloud was a vengeance kill in T2. So it is likely there is a vengeance kill here as well.

 

Peace makes a cop type of play to lynch Serra. Most people are going to believe that sort of act, because we've just seen it happen in T1 to great success. So using the Cross Game meta, Peace decides to throw this together knowing full well people will "Lemming".

 

Two fold advantage for scum, if Peace is a vengeance kill then it's a worthy sacrifice because 1. There is a really high chance the cop will counter claim or at least say something to doubt Peace.

2. Even if the cop says nothing at all, he's bound to be one of the remaining people who doesn't immediately vote. This narrows the NK pool drastically for cop hunting.

 

Well played scum gambit in the bag. That, Peace, is how I think this all went down.

 

Hmmm yeah I could see that working if Peace is a Vengeance Killer, but I think if he wanted to do that he would have also claimed to be the cop, which he didn't.

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Well, it's worth a shot as we have already had two Vengeful Killers and the timing was a bit too perfect with how things turned out in T1.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Peace

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Verbal32 Spam Master

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Don't like these votes on peace - looks like a risky play, but a townie one.

 

I liked pralaya's case for Tiinker or Ishy. I pick Ishy for now. Part scum, part I don't like his hair.

 

Vote: Ishy

John E. Kelley Master

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Don't like these votes on peace - looks like a risky play, but a townie one.

I liked pralaya's case for Tiinker or Ishy. I pick Ishy for now. Part scum, part I don't like his hair.Vote: Ishy

Seeing as I'm bald, there's only one patch of hair you could have been eye-balling. *serves up the softball*

 

Heh, I did it twice.

Razen Rising Star

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Well, it's worth a shot as we have already had two Vengeful Killers and the timing was a bit too perfect with how things turned out in T1.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Peace

 

Didn't it occur to anyone that this is EXACTLY what Peace thought would happen when he admitted that he didn't view Serra as scum?  Peace gets lynched for lying about the view, and gets to take out a townie with his death.  Negating any advantage we gain by lynching him.  I'm surprised people haven't seen or thought about that.  Everyone's more focused on the fact that OMG, he lied about viewing Serra, why would any townie ever do that?  They're trying to find the real cop - and take them down with Peace as he gets lynched.

 

I'm going to unvote, vote: Chuckles.  I still don't like the fact that he wanted people to vote for Csarmi without making the commitment to vote himself.  If he felt that Csarmi was scum, he should have voted instead of pushing from the sidelines.

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Here's how I see the gambit playing out.

 

T1 just had Verbal killing off the cop with a vengeance kill after Tina revealed. Cloud was a vengeance kill in T2. So it is likely there is a vengeance kill here as well.

 

Peace makes a cop type of play to lynch Serra. Most people are going to believe that sort of act, because we've just seen it happen in T1 to great success. So using the Cross Game meta, Peace decides to throw this together knowing full well people will "Lemming".

 

Two fold advantage for scum, if Peace is a vengeance kill then it's a worthy sacrifice because 1. There is a really high chance the cop will counter claim or at least say something to doubt Peace.

2. Even if the cop says nothing at all, he's bound to be one of the remaining people who doesn't immediately vote. This narrows the NK pool drastically for cop hunting.

 

Well played scum gambit in the bag. That, Peace, is how I think this all went down.

 

I like this post.

 

Peace - I voted you because I think you tried to get the cop to claim. Perhaps it was a way to save Chuckles as well. That seems too obvious though but who knows.

Razen Rising Star

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Here's how I see the gambit playing out.

 

T1 just had Verbal killing off the cop with a vengeance kill after Tina revealed. Cloud was a vengeance kill in T2. So it is likely there is a vengeance kill here as well.

 

Peace makes a cop type of play to lynch Serra. Most people are going to believe that sort of act, because we've just seen it happen in T1 to great success. So using the Cross Game meta, Peace decides to throw this together knowing full well people will "Lemming".

 

Two fold advantage for scum, if Peace is a vengeance kill then it's a worthy sacrifice because 1. There is a really high chance the cop will counter claim or at least say something to doubt Peace.

2. Even if the cop says nothing at all, he's bound to be one of the remaining people who doesn't immediately vote. This narrows the NK pool drastically for cop hunting.

 

Well played scum gambit in the bag. That, Peace, is how I think this all went down.

 

I like this post.

 

Peace - I voted you because I think you tried to get the cop to claim. Perhaps it was a way to save Chuckles as well. That seems too obvious though but who knows.

 

 

I like it too.

 

It has to do with all of this forcing the cop to claim business.  I believe that is what he's trying to do.  But I don't see how letting him get off a vengeance kill by lynching him is going to help.  If you believe what BG is saying, I think there needs to be more serious discussion about it that the knee-jerk reactions a lot of people seem to be having.  Because I don't think a lot of people considered the theory that BG posted.  It's the only reason I can think of he'd have been so obvious about it.  Who knows?  His teammates might even have started the whole vote him for lying business as a way to get him lynched for that vengeance kill.

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Am I voting him? NO

 

The wifom is how do we know he isn't mafia "IN THIS THREAD"

 

And why are you so blantly defending him?

 

Here you say that the WIFOM is how do we know he isn't mafia in this thread.  Thus implying that you believe that it's possible he was scum in this thread.  It looks like you are unwilling to take a stance either way because you also emphasize the fact that you aren't voting him.  Why?  Is it because you knew he was town?  Either way, you posted the WIFOM theory to make it look like you were contributing to Csarmi's lynch without actually voting there.

 

 

 

 

 

.......

 

And you should all unvote me now.

 

 

you keep on repeating this but you dont give us any good reason tbh

 

 

Don't I?

 

They're lynching town instead of playing the game. Going on a crazy and useless hunt that has already costed town a lot in one of the threads. 

Should be enough reason to unvote, start playing and start voting people.

 

 

see if we unvote and start voting others

 

there'll be a constant cloud of wifom surrounding you, which will be annoying the further we the game progress, what part of that didnt you understand? 

 

 

This post is where you emphasize the distracting factor.  By pointing out the fact that if people would vote elsewhere, there'd be a constant cloud of WIFOM surrounding Csarmi which gets more annoying as the game progresses.  Hence, distracting.

 

I'll give you the fact that you didn't actually say straight out that you felt he was scummy.  But your words and actions aren't adding up to me.

Darthe Spam Master

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ANNOUNCEMENT
 

I am going on a date. Starting in about an hour, if you need me I won't be here for the next.. seven or so.

 

Enjoy the game all :smile: 

 

VC's when I return.

Tiinker Veteran

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Going to address the pralya case with a simple defense. 

I injured myself and have no work to go to. Consequently, I have no life and spend all my day looking at this thread. 

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Verbal32 Spam Master

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Going to address the pralya case with a simple defense.

 

I injured myself and have no work to go to. Consequently, I have no life and spend all my day looking at this thread.

Meh. I think the content of your posts would have nothing to do with your physical condition, no?

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Going to address the pralya case with a simple defense.

 

I injured myself and have no work to go to. Consequently, I have no life and spend all my day looking at this thread.

Meh. I think the content of your posts would have nothing to do with your physical condition, no?

 

 

I thought he was referring to the time that I voted rather than the vote itself.

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