[Advanced] Bloodlust Mafia Game Over!

[cosmicpanda]

^ heh. 

[Basel Gill]

Basel, you seem to have missed my vote. Nevertheless, when somebody says that they have a reason for believing somebody but doesn't want to disclose it, it's good play not to pry further unless you think they're scummy. Nobody has found BG scummy so far in the game, so it's bad play to pry further. As it is, it's pretty obvious right now what his role is, and that's a shame. 

 

As it is, you have three options. You can demand that BG claims fully and see if somebody counterclaims (though I don't think he has  a role that's common enough for that to be a reliable option), you can take BG's word and accept that Ishy's claim is not a fakeclaim, or you can decide that BG, Mynd and Ishy are all scum together. This last option seems very unlikely to me, since no mafia team would want three of its members so exposed so early in the game. 

 

And Rand, I don't think that what I said about Turin makes him scum. 

 

Pandy: I saw your vote. It was, at the time, one vote and therefore not a concern. If you are going to bring up things that I missed, perhaps you should make sure you don't miss anything yourself. In this post, you seem to have missed somel things. You don't account for the fact that Rand's post to me was made BEFORE BG revealed his ability, and that my answer to him was written with that in mind. For that matter, you seem to be totally overlooking (on purpose?) that the focus of my last post was on Rand, not BG or Mynd. When someone claims to have a reason for believing someone but doesn't want to discuss it, and then someone else trusts them blindly even though they haven't given their reason, that's scummy.

 

Rand called me out as to why I had left my vote on Mynd even after BG hinted at having reason to trust Mynd and Ishy, but before BG had said what that reason was. Rand's post was taking it for granted that BG had something legitimate when AT THAT TIME there was no evidence that BG was telling the truth. Now why should Rand be so trusting if he is town? BG hadn't revealed squat then, he had only hinted. This tells me that either Rand and BG are both scum and pulling a gambit together, most likely to vet Mynd and Ishy. Possibly Mynd and Ishy really are masons and Rand and BG are trying to earn some town credit. The other possibility is that BG is telling the truth, and that Mynd and Ishy are town. This would tell me that Rand knows BG is town, and so are Mynd and Ishy. In this scenario, Rand is trying to earn town credit, he just doesn't have BG as a partner. In either case, Rand is scum.

 

I think I can put Mynd on the back burner for now. Unvote, vote Rand.

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count:

 

JLM (2/9): Ishy, Kaylee

 

Turin (1/9): Mynd

 

Mynd (3/9): Kae, Dice, JLM

 

Basel (2/9): Pandy, Rand

 

Rand (2/9): Turin, Basel

 

Not Voting (7/17)

 

BG, Len, Lzm, Cloud, Mish, TG, Des

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

 

Please note: I would like more activity.  This is a friendly reminder, and not a warning.  As such I have chosen to extend the deadline by 24 hours.  The new deadline is Saturday, December 29th at the time of this post plus an hour (AKA midnight EST or 7 PM GMT).

 

If you divide your weight by 12 the number generated is the number of pints of blood in your body.

 

 

[bgrishinko]

I like Basel's reasoning:

 

Vote Rand

[cosmicpanda]

Basel, I didn't miss that Rand's vote was made before BG revealed his ability. I recognised that post as being Rand's reply to my post, which included a vote for you. I was surprised that you chose to respond to Rand rather than me. If a post with a vote for you is unimportant, why is a post without a vote for you more so? (Not a rhetorical question, btw.) 

 

In any case, I knew that you were suspicious of Rand for not questioning BG further, even before he had revealed the additional information about his role. I thought that I had addressed it with this statement, which you appear not to have read: 'Nevertheless, when somebody says that they have a reason for believing somebody but doesn't want to disclose it, it's good play not to pry further unless you think they're scummy. Nobody has found BG scummy so far in the game, so it's bad play to pry further. As it is, it's pretty obvious right now what his role is, and that's a shame.' That seems to answer most of the concerns in your post. Is there any further evidence that BG is telling the truth now? No, so I don't know what you think that you've accomplished by forcing him to reveal further, apart from highlighting him for the scum. The only way to prove anything is to lynch him, of course, and I think that that would be precipitous. I think it would be more interesting to lynch you, to find out why you wanted to know BG's role so badly. 

 

It's disingenuous to claim that your last post was directed at Rand and that therefore, perhaps, I am entirely missing the point by bringing up BG, Mynd and Ishy. The whole reason you're having this conflict with Rand, as I see it, is because you and he have reacted to BG, Mynd and Ishy differently, and in fact you do mention all of them in your post. Therefore, the way you view Rand's play must surely depend on how you view their play. Furthermore, Rand's play is actually irrelevant to the matter at hand, which is that you've avoided responding to my vote. Why should the fact that you're now focusing on Rand affect the reason that I voted for you in the first place, which was based on your reaction to Mynd and Ishy? 

[cosmicpanda]

*by 'more so' I mean 'more important'. 

[Kaylee]

I still don't like JLM's play. Her last post hasn't changed that. Though now I'd like to hear more from Rand. The case against him is good and I'd be willing to move my vote there.

[hazelkrs1]

Since I'm poisoned, I'm not going to go through great lengths to get caught up all the way or reread. Gonna take it from here.

 

Sakaea was one of the only ones to comment on my poisoning, yet also sowed seeds for trying to discredit me if I should stay alive somehow. Vurrry anti-town move there.

 

Other than that, Mynd and someone has claimed mason, can't remember who right now. Also Turin is surprisingly active, and I must say he is kinda pinging me as well. Other than that, I'm on my way out so I don't really want the headache of trying to get everything into a more clear picture. If someone wants to recap for me I might try to be a bit more active. Sorry Darthe.

[RandA lThor]

Guys I already said that I suspected Dice and Basel, I havent seen an explanation from Basel, just an OMguS with some horrible reasonig. Sorry watching movie with family gtg.

[cosmicpanda]

SOrry no time to explain.  vote Basel

 

His explanation may be waiting on yours. 

[dicetosser1]

^^^ This

 

 

That vote of yours has me very close to changing my vote. Wanna explain rand?

[JenLenaMom]

Unvote

 

If you have more information Rand now would be a good time to share.

[Basel Gill]

Guys I already said that I suspected Dice and Basel, I havent seen an explanation from Basel, just an OMguS with some horrible reasonig. Sorry watching movie with family gtg.

 

 

Another game with poison in play? Methinks people are gonna use that mechanic to death now.

 

+1 for the play on words. Gave me a chuckle.

 

So you are saying that even if Mynd (and by extension Ishy) is mafia that my play of not believing them is anti-town. I don't see how lynching mafia is anti- town. I kinda thought that was the entire job of the town. That you have no knowledge of their alignment and yet are defending them so hard makes me very suspicious of you. as does the incorrect information you are pushing in your reason for voting me. There is no way that my vote could in any reasonable mind be categorized as a OMGUS. Iam not trying to instill fear about recruiting. I think that information of that sort is better put into the town's hands so that someone viewed N1 as clean is not assumed to be clean D3. To hold that back would be anti-town in my opinion. Trying to knock out masons with a lynch? Who says they are masons? they do. doI believe it? not at the present. it is just as likely that Mynd meant to jump out take some heat on Day 1, slide by it by getting someone else lynched without having to make a claim and then let the heat disiipate chalking it up to Day 1 Mynd shenanigans. He certainly had enough defenders. Including you that voted Peace who was a Mynd detractor and as we now know was  town.

 

To equate a mason claim with an un-cc'ed cop claim is  a bit off IMO. Especially a mason claim in these circumstances. They had THREE DAYS to claim when it was not looking like it was going to produce what they wanted. To wait until 10 hours left to deadline is unacceptable to me. I now wnat to see proof. I am just one person here. You vote as you choose. But as of this moment, Mynd nor any of the other defenders have shown me where I blamed Peace for anything. This was Mynd's great reason for voting me today. Just like his reasonings yesterday it is a bunch of cowflop. So please forgive me if I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. 

 

Blue: this. I cast a big HoS on Rand for saying we should avoid lynching Mynd and Ishy even if they are scum.

 

Green: I've seen this before from Mynd as scum. Take a townie, and misrepresent them as saying stuff they never actually said. Then, when called out on either twisting their words or making stuff up wholesale and ascribing it to said townie, completely ignore said calling out and make no attempt to explain himself. JLM's DW game on MJ comes to mind... I think it was his case on Red, and I can recall going through every single one of her posts and not finding a single instance of her saying the stuff Mynd accused her of saying. As I recall, he never responded to either me or Red calling him on it. So I can buy it from him as scum this time around.

 

(Mind you, this was a game several months ago, based around a show I really couldn't give a rat's ass about.)

 

 

Rand, I've already given you an explanation once. Maybe you should try reading posts before posting yourself? As I already said, Mynd's actions in this game are very close to his actions in a previous game where he was scum. His meta here is scummy-looking. Meantime, you have said that you think we should avoid lynching Mynd and Ishy even if they are scum. Under what circumstances should a townie not want to lynch scum? While BG may be telling the truth on Mynd and Ishy, it is your actions which keep Mynd and Ishy looking scummy, and yet you say we should back off on them.

 

Are you maybe trying to make the mason team look scummy by connecting yourself to them and leaving yourself open for a lynch?

 

Well, read through everything. In short, it seems that Mynd is still the great focus of the game. BG says that he believes the mason claim, and claims that he has a strong reason for doing so, so for now I will too. 

 

I don't like Turin's play. It seems that he's had tunnel-vision on Mynd all game long. He joke-voted him, then claimed that the joke vote was actually a serious vote, then said that he liked where his vote was, was suspicious of everyone that defended Mynd (and there were a good number of people who did), and now seems to think that Ishy's mason claim is a ploy. The only thing that I think Turin is actually wrong about is his assertion that Ishy or Mynd should have claimed when Mynd was at L-4. Nobody does that, even 24 hours from a deadline. It would result in a lot of unnecessary claims. At this point, I'm not so sure that Turin is mafia - townies often get tunnel vision. I'd encourage him to take a step back and calm down a bit - he seems angry, which isn't fun. 

 

Cloud and Mish have really gone under the radar after they took all of that heat at the beginning of the game. TG has, too. 

 

I don't like Basel's vote on Mynd. Sure, the claim might have been planned out in advance, but how does that make it necessarily a mafia ploy? The thing about masons is that they can plan things out in advance! It's fine not to buy the claim, but not with such a flimsy 'case'.

 

I also don't understand quite how voting for Mynd is supposed to test the claim, unless you're planning to actually lynch him, which seems a drastic way of testing something. 

 

 

 

@ Turin, you said that you didn't like that I said I'd do a re-read. Do you disapprove of people doing re-reads?

 

 

Vote: Basel

Hmm, this seems like a lot of reasons that Turin is scummy, yet you vote for Basel instead. However, I am going to unvote and I want an explanation from Dice and basel on why they kept their vote on Mynd after what BG said.

 

 

BG, I assume that we will not hear the good reason that you believe their mason claim. That Ishy is gone for the next two days so can not give us more thoughts and reasons for what they did. Mynd seems to have vanished again after his shot at me, which no one has been able or willing to show where I actually blamed Peace for something. I am sure he has internet issues again.

 

 

you couldnt read my previous post Rand?

 

here it is again with highlights

 

not vote someone even if they are scum? what the?

 

I really dont like the way ishy and mynd did this and BG says he has a good reason to believe them. I agree with turin that we are unlikely to hear that reason. I dont like that.

 

Mynd pops up  creates turmoil then disappears.

 

this is all stinking to me  vote mynd

 

the blue is why   BG has given no reason. So i go with the fact that i didnt like the ploy and dont believe the claim. Give me a good reason to believe it and i just might.

 

 

Not a very big fan of BG's "I know something but I'm not gonna tell".

 

 

 

Basel, I didn't miss that Rand's vote was made before BG revealed his ability. I recognised that post as being Rand's reply to my post, which included a vote for you. I was surprised that you chose to respond to Rand rather than me. If a post with a vote for you is unimportant, why is a post without a vote for you more so? (Not a rhetorical question, btw.) 

 

In any case, I knew that you were suspicious of Rand for not questioning BG further, even before he had revealed the additional information about his role. I thought that I had addressed it with this statement, which you appear not to have read: 'Nevertheless, when somebody says that they have a reason for believing somebody but doesn't want to disclose it, it's good play not to pry further unless you think they're scummy. Nobody has found BG scummy so far in the game, so it's bad play to pry further. As it is, it's pretty obvious right now what his role is, and that's a shame.' That seems to answer most of the concerns in your post. Is there any further evidence that BG is telling the truth now? No, so I don't know what you think that you've accomplished by forcing him to reveal further, apart from highlighting him for the scum. The only way to prove anything is to lynch him, of course, and I think that that would be precipitous. I think it would be more interesting to lynch you, to find out why you wanted to know BG's role so badly. 

 

It's disingenuous to claim that your last post was directed at Rand and that therefore, perhaps, I am entirely missing the point by bringing up BG, Mynd and Ishy. The whole reason you're having this conflict with Rand, as I see it, is because you and he have reacted to BG, Mynd and Ishy differently, and in fact you do mention all of them in your post. Therefore, the way you view Rand's play must surely depend on how you view their play. Furthermore, Rand's play is actually irrelevant to the matter at hand, which is that you've avoided responding to my vote. Why should the fact that you're now focusing on Rand affect the reason that I voted for you in the first place, which was based on your reaction to Mynd and Ishy? 

@Pandy: Take a look at the quotes above. I wasn't pressing BG for a reveal, although others were. Why are you talking about me forcing him to reveal, when I wasn't involved there? Maybe you should take a look at the people who actually pushed for BG's role before accusing me of doing so. As for my reaction to Mynd and Ishy, BG's part in this doesn't change that they were behaving scummily. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. And as I said to Rand, I'm starting to consider the possibilities inherent in Mynd and Ishy really being masons.

[Sakaea]

Since I'm poisoned, I'm not going to go through great lengths to get caught up all the way or reread. Gonna take it from here.

 

Sakaea was one of the only ones to comment on my poisoning, yet also sowed seeds for trying to discredit me if I should stay alive somehow. Vurrry anti-town move there.

 

Other than that, Mynd and someone has claimed mason, can't remember who right now. Also Turin is surprisingly active, and I must say he is kinda pinging me as well. Other than that, I'm on my way out so I don't really want the headache of trying to get everything into a more clear picture. If someone wants to recap for me I might try to be a bit more active. Sorry Darthe.

 

 

And so putting out a theory about being turned in a vamp game is anti town? Troll me some more why don't you.  

 

Unvote Mynd

[Myndrunner]

Finally! 

 

A few things before I can get caught up.

 

1) What is up with DM's ghestopo tactics with browsers?  I had to use an old version of Microsoft Exploder to get here.  Why does DM hate Firefox and Chrome?

 

2) When did I claim to be a mason of any kind?

 

3) Why are we ignoring Peacesmells and Turin's rabid push on me, then Turin's fingerpointing on Peace without knowing my alignment?

 

More to come...

[RandA lThor]

Finally! 

 

A few things before I can get caught up.

 

1) What is up with DM's ghestopo tactics with browsers?  I had to use an old version of Microsoft Exploder to get here.  Why does DM hate Firefox and Chrome?

 

2) When did I claim to be a mason of any kind?

 

3) Why are we ignoring Peacesmells and Turin's rabid push on me, then Turin's fingerpointing on Peace without knowing my alignment?

 

More to come...

 

 

Are you denying that you are masons with Ishy?

[cosmicpanda]

Okay, fair enough Basel. You may not have directly pushed for BG's reveal, but you were implicitly skeptical of his claim. 

 

@ Mynd: 

 

In addition to Rand's question, have you noticed that Peace is dead and was town? And can you be more clear about what you mean about Turin's play? 

 

@ Rand, I believe we're still waiting for your explanation. 

 

Ugh. 

 

Unvote for now. Will be on a bit later. 

[RandA lThor]

Woah, it didn't post.  My explanation is simple, when I unvoted, I was looking at Dice and Basel.  I feel that Basel's look at what BG said and not trusting it is much more scummy.

[Basel Gill]

Okay, fair enough Basel. You may not have directly pushed for BG's reveal, but you were implicitly skeptical of his claim.

 

Woah, it didn't post.  My explanation is simple, when I unvoted, I was looking at Dice and Basel.  I feel that Basel's look at what BG said and not trusting it is much more scummy.

 

 

I think that good town behavior is to take any claim, including hints without actual reveals, with a grain of salt. I have no way of knowing that anyone who claims anything is telling the truth.  Blindly accepting such things on faith alone is either a scum slip from someone who knows for certain what the claimer's alignment is, or just bad town play. In this case, the more BG has had to say since his initial hint, the more I have trusted him. I was skeptical of his claim to start off with because of the way that Mynd and Ishy had been acting. And still have some doubts about that aspect of the situation, especially since Mynd now seems to be disavowing the mason claim.

[RandA lThor]

 

Okay, fair enough Basel. You may not have directly pushed for BG's reveal, but you were implicitly skeptical of his claim.

 

>Woah, it didn't post.  My explanation is simple, when I unvoted, I was looking at Dice and Basel.  I feel that Basel's look at what BG said and not trusting it is much more scummy.

 

 

I think that good town behavior is to take any claim, including hints without actual reveals, with a grain of salt. I have no way of knowing that anyone who claims anything is telling the truth.  Blindly accepting such things on faith alone is either a scum slip from someone who knows for certain what the claimer's alignment is, or just bad town play. In this case, the more BG has had to say since his initial hint, the more I have trusted him. I was skeptical of his claim to start off with because of the way that Mynd and Ishy had been acting. And still have some doubts about that aspect of the situation, especially since Mynd now seems to be disavowing the mason claim.

 

And you say you aren't trying to get him to reveal his role?  THe more he says, the more mafia knows.

[Basel Gill]

And you say you aren't trying to get him to reveal his role?  THe more he says, the more mafia knows.

 

He revealed without me doing anything to get him to do so. Have you looked at the quotes I have posted? Every single post pushing him to reveal or showing distrust of his initial soft hint was by someone else. Seriously, go back and quote me the part where I said "BG, I don't trust this, tell us what your role is."

 

And I might add, misrepresenting other people's posts is a huge scumtell.

[Turin Turambar]

Finally! 

 

A few things before I can get caught up.

 

1) What is up with DM's ghestopo tactics with browsers?  I had to use an old version of Microsoft Exploder to get here.  Why does DM hate Firefox and Chrome?

 

2) When did I claim to be a mason of any kind?

 

3) Why are we ignoring Peacesmells and Turin's rabid push on me, then Turin's fingerpointing on Peace without knowing my alignment?

 

More to come...

1.) internet issues. fair enough.

2.) you have not denied the claim made by Ishy who is claiming to be your mason partner. So implicitly you are claiming it until you refute said claim. You are on now so please clarify.

3.) as Cosmic said Peace is dead and town. IMO neither of us were remotely rabid. Again please show where I either blamed Peace or pointed fingers at him. I don't believe it exists and you are talking out of your ginormous hat.

 

Why are you spouting misinformation with every post?

[John E. Kelley]

I'm finally back home, will start my reread now. Is there a current VC handy?

[John E. Kelley]

I'm feeling a little more confident in Turin at this point, but much less so about Basel.

 

But how none of you other than Kay are voting JLM at this point astounds me. Literally.

 

For those of you questioning why I wouldn't reveal before I did, morons, the lot of you. To think that I would reveal at L-5 or L-4 is the height of stupidity, you've all played this game long enough to know better, shame on you. That's all all I'll say about that.

 

Anyone else want to question BG? Stupid rolefishing is stupid.

 

Since no one is going to be around tonight for any Drunk MafiaTM, I'll wait to make any substanitive posts until tomorrow, but this looks to have been a pretty weak showing, other than Panda and Turin, even if Turin is coming after Mynd and me. Also, Dice......what the hell man? Your flip-flopping is showing.

 

Lastly, I just have to ask:

 

Hey Mish, do the curtains match the drapes?

[Kaylee]

Ishy what do you mean by feeling more confident about Turin? Personally I also don't get where Mynd got that from, I couldn't find it either. 

 

I also see the points made against Rand.