[Advanced] Hobbit Mafia Town Wins!

[Basel Gill]

2nd mention and guess what???!!! not by me again!!

 

There some reason you are unable to see those previous comments des? Blinkers perhaps? a bit of Bias?

 

unvote vote Despo

 

Dice seems to be laying it on a bit thick here, overacting maybe? Just the tone of the post strikes me as a mafia member trying too hard to seem town.

 

 

guess what???!!!

 

Pictured above: overdefensive puncutation

... is easily enough for me to go on.

 

Vote Dice

 

(I hope someone else reads Cracked.com and gets my caption reference )

 

Des, I do read and enjoy Cracked.com, it's almost as easy to get lost in the links as TV Tropes. But I don't think I would have recognized this if you hadn't explained it.

 

*peeps in*

 

vote Dice

 

I'm wondering if this is a bit of bandwagoning and/or bussing. Scummy lack of reasoning at all is scummy.

[Basel Gill]

Oh yeah, almost forgot... Vote Dice.

[Turin Turambar]

Wombat, I have stated I do not approve of setup talk. I do not intend to participate in it. I cant delete their posts. Or vote all of them. I consider the fos to be posturing. Not much more I can do other than take notes. I must say I dislike your attempt to keep this distraction going.

 

vote Wombat

[peacesells]

No wonder Darthe and Dice brings up and talks about cult in negative tones here; they've both been screwed by cult very, very recently. How TG brings it up though, that bothers me. I don't think there is cult here; but he just seems eager to sow confusion.

 

Vote TG

 

Very weak vote, very weak reason. Plus none of us know if there is a cult or not in this game. No one can be sure except for possibly 1 person if they happen to be the CL.

 

There is absolutely no reason someone should take a strong stance either way this early in the game. Mish is fabricating a reason to vote either to distance or target.

 

VOTE MISH.

[michellem]

I'm doing neither peace. I didn't say I knew there wasn't a cult; but as far as I remember the story, I can't really see it fit with canon. I know that's not something one should take 100% for granted. But compared to the GoT-game (the only game I've ever played with a cult), the canon there had several groups that could be seen to fit as cult, both the Nights watch, the Dothraki, and Melisandre's fire god followers. Now, it has been years since I read the Hobbit, but how I remember the story, there is nothing that sticks out clearly as cult-option. TG seems like he's read the book, so he hasn't the excuse of not knowing the canon either. His post pinged me me most of everyone who's posted so far.

[Darthe]

And gameplay got a jump start. Lead suspects IMO are Des, Mish, Dice, and unvote vote Basel because of his giant arbitrary message where he prodded virtually everyone that has said anything decisive.

[Lenlo]

I don't like how you say those 3 are your top 3 suspects yet don't vote for a single one of them. Distancing?

 

Fos.

[Darthe]

Basel was the fourth.

[amegakure]

I like how everyone who is against the setup talk uses the same reason, It helps scum prevent scum hunting. But the same is true for those who want to "stop" it. Additionally this gives them a cushion against suspicion later on in the game.

 

I don't like how Turin ignored Womby's question. Also the way Turin gave silly frivolous answers to was intriguing i must say. I can honestly say i saw some distancing between them in that debate. Putting words in Turin's mouth jumped out at me to. Not once did Turin say she wouldn't give anymore input, just that she was done with setup talk.

 

So in conclusion i will place my vote on Despo for now. (if someone could kindly remind me of the coloring code, as I'm one my pos phone)

 

FOS TURIN I

FOS DARTH

 

Darth was the first to bring up set up talk. i find this interesting and to actually conclude this I can't say i disagree with lenlo's comment above. Leads me to believe scum is playing both sides of the field.

 

[michellem]

[color=red][b]Vote here![/b][/color]

 

Turin is a he btw.

[amegakure]

despo

 

Btw the space in my post was spose to have despos name in it.

[dicetosser1]

the only thing regarding setup i have to say Death to Cult! god i hope this isnt a cult game.

 

ok so lets see the 2 qlders havent turned up yet so im gonna keep my vote where it is. If they dont turn up soon i will make a real one

 

I don't like this post. First there's the cult thing, but more important imo is the second part. Why are you waiting for the QLDers to show up before you start playing? Shouldn't you be trying to scumhunt regardless of whether or not the subjects of your joke vote are here?

 

Vote: Dice

 

 

 

i was still joking at this point. and was meaning that id put a vote on one of them by name if theyt didnt turn up soon

 

As for scum hunting have you noticed the reaction to me begginning to try and scumhunt?

 

 

Basel I currently have NO trust for anybody particularly when discussing cult and i KNOW des can play a good game whether as town mafia or cult but it is unlike him to miss things. which is what seemed to happen when he made out i was the one instigating the cult talk. So i called him on it.

[WWWwombat]

Wombat, I have stated I do not approve of setup talk. I do not intend to participate in it. I cant delete their posts. Or vote all of them. I consider the fos to be posturing. Not much more I can do other than take notes. I must say I dislike your attempt to keep this distraction going.

 

vote Wombat

 

I'm not talking setup. I'm talking about a possible contradiction in your posts about setup talk. Now it could be that you are just apathetic about setup talk, but it could also be that you were trying to look town by decrying setup talk while at the same time subtly weakening your post so that the setup talk would continue despite your nominal objection to it. Either way, whether it was apathetic or deliberately anti-town, your post was anti-town. The fact that you are painting a simple question about a post you made as an attempt to distract is also somewhat troubling.

 

the only thing regarding setup i have to say Death to Cult! god i hope this isnt a cult game.

 

ok so lets see the 2 qlders havent turned up yet so im gonna keep my vote where it is. If they dont turn up soon i will make a real one

 

I don't like this post. First there's the cult thing, but more important imo is the second part. Why are you waiting for the QLDers to show up before you start playing? Shouldn't you be trying to scumhunt regardless of whether or not the subjects of your joke vote are here?

 

Vote: Dice

 

 

 

i was still joking at this point. and was meaning that id put a vote on one of them by name if theyt didnt turn up soon

 

As for scum hunting have you noticed the reaction to me begginning to try and scumhunt?

 

 

Basel I currently have NO trust for anybody particularly when discussing cult and i KNOW des can play a good game whether as town mafia or cult but it is unlike him to miss things. which is what seemed to happen when he made out i was the one instigating the cult talk. So i called him on it.

 

I haven't seen you scumhunt at all. All you've done is defend against Despo's case and try to link him to Darthe and TG (presumably because you think they are all hypersensitive to cult). I don't think linking is necessarily scummy, but doing it with almost nothing to go on is.

[Starrik]

Checking in. Sorry everyone, had some massive internet complications, but I should be at least mostly active from here on in.

This game has started pretty quickly, and there are quite a few accusations being flung around.

However, WWWombat voting Dice just for his joke vote on the superior state of Queensland, and the responding vote coming after the clear end of joke votes screams scum to me.

Vote WWWombat

[WWWwombat]

I'm not sure I understand your rationale for voting me due to the run-on nature of that last sentence. Are you saying that I shouldn't use anything posted while people were still joke voting in my case? If so, I totally disagree with that. In my experience, scum are likely to try to extend the joke vote phase rather than actually playing. My point about Dice's post was that I thought Dice was saying he wouldn't make a real vote until you or Bard Babe got here, which seemed like a poor excuse to avoid playing to me. Dice has since said that what he meant was that he was considering putting a real vote on one of you for being inactive, which I don't see as being much better. Pressuring inactive on early D1 serves no purpose.

[Turin Turambar]

Setup talk like hinting is bad. It gives mafia something to distract the town from hunting them down.

 

Focus people. Or go ahead, I know you cant help it.

 

Interesting. Why would you suggest people continue with their setup talk if you think setup talk is so bad?

 

I was not suggesting that they actually continue. I was stating that I figured the talk would continue despite my thinking it was bad for town.

 

 

 

Also, I would appreciate Turin answering my question about why he isn't taking a hard line against setup talk if he thinks it's so bad.

 

What sort of hard line are you suggesting? Can I put everyone that talks about setup in jail? NO.

 

Wombat, I have stated I do not approve of setup talk. I do not intend to participate in it. I cant delete their posts. Or vote all of them. I consider the fos to be posturing. Not much more I can do other than take notes. I must say I dislike your attempt to keep this distraction going.

 

vote Wombat

 

Again there is only so much an individual can do in the game. If I keep telling people to stop it and they continue, it is just more distraction and more opportunity to lead the town astray. The ability to insert ideas that hurt the town is the worst part of talking setup.

 

I like how everyone who is against the setup talk uses the same reason, It helps scum prevent scum hunting. But the same is true for those who want to "stop" it. Additionally this gives them a cushion against suspicion later on in the game.

 

I don't like how Turin ignored Womby's question. Also the way Turin gave silly frivolous answers to was intriguing i must say. I can honestly say i saw some distancing between them in that debate. Putting words in Turin's mouth jumped out at me to. Not once did Turin say she wouldn't give anymore input, just that she was done with setup talk.

 

So in conclusion i will place my vote on Despo for now. (if someone could kindly remind me of the coloring code, as I'm one my pos phone)

 

FOS TURIN I

FOS DARTH

 

Darth was the first to bring up set up talk. i find this interesting and to actually conclude this I can't say i disagree with lenlo's comment above. Leads me to believe scum is playing both sides of the field.

 

First of all I never ignored his question. apparently no one understood what I was trying to say. Second, If I didn't mention it originally, Despo did in that the worst part of setup talk is allowing the mafia to point the town at the possibility of other groups (3rd party, 2nd team, cult, whatever) to make it seem that the mafia is not the threat to town that needs to be handled. You want to say that we are distancing in this conversation, if that were the case then we would both be mafia. Yet even tho you say he is trying to put words in my mouth and he is distancing from someone you are suspicious of(me) you are ignoring him as a suspect.

 

Wombat, I have stated I do not approve of setup talk. I do not intend to participate in it. I cant delete their posts. Or vote all of them. I consider the fos to be posturing. Not much more I can do other than take notes. I must say I dislike your attempt to keep this distraction going.

 

vote Wombat

 

I'm not talking setup. I'm talking about a possible contradiction in your posts about setup talk. Now it could be that you are just apathetic about setup talk, but it could also be that you were trying to look town by decrying setup talk while at the same time subtly weakening your post so that the setup talk would continue despite your nominal objection to it. Either way, whether it was apathetic or deliberately anti-town, your post was anti-town. The fact that you are painting a simple question about a post you made as an attempt to distract is also somewhat troubling.

 

 

Again my response is what can I do to eliminate the setup talk? If I rail against it as each post is entered then there are more posts of distraction. What has been accomplished? nothing. Results are what matter not posturing.

[color=red][b]Vote here![/b][/color]

 

Turin is a he btw.

 

Thanks Mish

[WWWwombat]

I wasn't implying you should rail against it with every post. I would have preferred it if you had done what Des did by decrying the setup talk unequivocally but not excessively and then proceeding to play the game.

[WWWwombat]

Furthermore, for someone who is so concerned with not distracting the town from useful discussion, I find your lack of useful content up until now to be kind of hypocritical. You say all you can do is take notes, but that is not true. You can do what I'm doing by asking people questions and applying pressure. I see you may be starting to do this with your question to amegakure regarding his accusation of distancing. Please continue that kind of play.

[Basel Gill]

psssssst, BB, get your ass over to the WT and your raising!

 

This.

[Turin Turambar]

My time has been pretty limited the past several days as I have been driving back and forth to texas from california. I hope to be home for a while now.

 

off to bed now as I have been up for over 20 hours now and I am old.

[Starrik]

I'm not sure I understand your rationale for voting me due to the run-on nature of that last sentence. Are you saying that I shouldn't use anything posted while people were still joke voting in my case? If so, I totally disagree with that. In my experience, scum are likely to try to extend the joke vote phase rather than actually playing. My point about Dice's post was that I thought Dice was saying he wouldn't make a real vote until you or Bard Babe got here, which seemed like a poor excuse to avoid playing to me. Dice has since said that what he meant was that he was considering putting a real vote on one of you for being inactive, which I don't see as being much better. Pressuring inactive on early D1 serves no purpose.

No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that it was a weak basis for a vote. You extrapolated that he wasn't going to vote until the QLDers got here, which in most games should have been a very short amount of time. I agree that pressuring inactives is pointless at the moment. From what I've seen, it feels to me like you are trying to guide the game in your way. I don't know if this is just your play style, your personality, a tactic, or me just being completely wrong, but that's how I see it.

[RandA lThor]

Official Vote Count:

 

Amega(1): Kae

 

Peace(1): TG

 

Despo(3): Lenlo, Dice, Amega

 

Lenlo(1): Cyan

 

Dice(5): BB, Despo, Panchi, Wombat, Basel

 

TG(1): Mish

 

Wombat(2): Turin, Starrik

 

Mish(1): Peace

 

Basel(1): Darthe

 

Not Voting (6): EP, BG, LZM, Roo, Amega, Dap

 

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

 

A deadline has not yet been set.

 

Sorry that this took so long, I had to do this entirely on a phone, I assume you guys will know how long that takes.

[hazelkrs1]

Sup yall. I had a crappy night at work but I gotta say that I am extremely happy with how the activity has picked up so far this game.

 

actually i didnt mean biased towards me i meant biased towards the subject of cult in this game. In other words you have me wondering if there is cult here and if so are you cult. I actually wouldn't accuse you of personal bias as you go after anyone and everyone.

 

the linking came because you ignored their previous posts made before mine that you jumped on. It currently hass me wondering if you were purposely trying to not bring them up. THAT'S what that was about.

 

I'm not biased towards cult. I'm biased towards anyone focusing on setup talk this early in a game. Discussing cult and whether or not they exist or who could be the CL is pretty ridiculous considering we have seen ZERO evidence that there is cult in this game. You continue to trump up the possibility of it. Pretty sure you're doing exactly what Turin mentioned, and what I have done myself in the past as mafia: try to redirect town's attention to the possibility of other anti-town elements to keep them distracted from looking for scum

 

Panchi explain your vote please. Also Despo, what do you mean by your skimming comment? Surely you're too long in the tooth to come out with that

 

Can you specify which skimming comment please? Not sure what you're talking about specifically

 

As for Panchi, I do agree that her vote was pretty odd, and the fact that she has not popped back in yet to explain it is def troubling. Wombat is mainly known for voting without giving reasons, but I have also seen other experienced players do so when they see something that is obviously scummy to them. Panchi doesn't fit the bill of an experienced player in my book, so her vote stands out more than most

 

Wombat, I have stated I do not approve of setup talk. I do not intend to participate in it. I cant delete their posts. Or vote all of them. I consider the fos to be posturing. Not much more I can do other than take notes. I must say I dislike your attempt to keep this distraction going.

 

vote Wombat

 

I don't see how Wombat's line of questioning can be seen as a "distraction". Looks pretty clearly to me like he's trying to scumhunt. In fact I have to say that so far this game I might have the strongest town read on Wombat that I ever have in a game at this point, which makes it even stranger to me that some are actually voting for him (unless they're using the "too town" thing, which I think is stupid and I haven't seen anyone mention)

 

And gameplay got a jump start. Lead suspects IMO are Des, Mish, Dice, and unvote vote Basel because of his giant arbitrary message where he prodded virtually everyone that has said anything decisive.

 

Eh?

 

Here's Basel's quote:

 

2nd mention and guess what???!!! not by me again!!

 

There some reason you are unable to see those previous comments des? Blinkers perhaps? a bit of Bias?

 

unvote vote Despo

 

Dice seems to be laying it on a bit thick here, overacting maybe? Just the tone of the post strikes me as a mafia member trying too hard to seem town.

 

 

 

 

guess what???!!!

 

 

Pictured above: overdefensive puncutation

... is easily enough for me to go on.

 

Vote Dice

 

(I hope someone else reads Cracked.com and gets my caption reference )

 

Des, I do read and enjoy Cracked.com, it's almost as easy to get lost in the links as TV Tropes. But I don't think I would have recognized this if you hadn't explained it.

 

*peeps in*

 

vote Dice

 

I'm wondering if this is a bit of bandwagoning and/or bussing. Scummy lack of reasoning at all is scummy.

 

I'm seeing Basel "prod" two people with this post, one who has been in the spotlight and one who hasn't really received all that much attention, considering.

 

How exactly has he prodded all the players who said anything decisive?

 

Extremely weak reasoning for your vote there Darthe. FOS.

 

I like how everyone who is against the setup talk uses the same reason, It helps scum prevent scum hunting. But the same is true for those who want to "stop" it. Additionally this gives them a cushion against suspicion later on in the game.

 

I don't like how Turin ignored Womby's question. Also the way Turin gave silly frivolous answers to was intriguing i must say. I can honestly say i saw some distancing between them in that debate. Putting words in Turin's mouth jumped out at me to. Not once did Turin say she wouldn't give anymore input, just that she was done with setup talk.

 

So in conclusion i will place my vote on Despo for now. (if someone could kindly remind me of the coloring code, as I'm one my pos phone)

 

FOS TURIN I

FOS DARTH

 

Darth was the first to bring up set up talk. i find this interesting and to actually conclude this I can't say i disagree with lenlo's comment above. Leads me to believe scum is playing both sides of the field.

 

I don't think that's the only reason that has been given for the thing about setup talk. A few people have pointed out that scum can also use setup talk to manipulate town in various ways, not just outright prevent scumhunting. And I think it's a total BS argument that the people who admonish others to stop setup talk are as much at fault as those participating in it, that's just ridiculous.

 

Incidentally, I also didn't see any distancing between Wombat and Turin, but of course I have been duped in a similar situation recently when BG and Darthe pulled off a gambit that didn't really feel gambity to me. /shrug

 

the only thing regarding setup i have to say Death to Cult! god i hope this isnt a cult game.

 

ok so lets see the 2 qlders havent turned up yet so im gonna keep my vote where it is. If they dont turn up soon i will make a real one

 

I don't like this post. First there's the cult thing, but more important imo is the second part. Why are you waiting for the QLDers to show up before you start playing? Shouldn't you be trying to scumhunt regardless of whether or not the subjects of your joke vote are here?

 

Vote: Dice

 

 

 

i was still joking at this point. and was meaning that id put a vote on one of them by name if theyt didnt turn up soon

 

As for scum hunting have you noticed the reaction to me begginning to try and scumhunt?

 

 

Basel I currently have NO trust for anybody particularly when discussing cult and i KNOW des can play a good game whether as town mafia or cult but it is unlike him to miss things. which is what seemed to happen when he made out i was the one instigating the cult talk. So i called him on it.

 

I don't like your response to Wombat at all here Dice. I also don't like you trying to trump yourself up as having done some great scumhunting this game.

 

And for the record, I miss plenty. You can still be a good scumhunter and miss stuff. I make just as many mistakes as everyone else.

 

Checking in. Sorry everyone, had some massive internet complications, but I should be at least mostly active from here on in.

This game has started pretty quickly, and there are quite a few accusations being flung around.

However, WWWombat voting Dice just for his joke vote on the superior state of Queensland, and the responding vote coming after the clear end of joke votes screams scum to me.

Vote WWWombat

 

Weeeeak vote. That's not what Wombat voted for Dice at all, he didn't like that Dice seemed to be trying to extend the joke voting phase while also appearing "ready" top scumhunt. And even after Wombat explained it, you still have your vote on him. Big ping.

 

I'm not sure I understand your rationale for voting me due to the run-on nature of that last sentence. Are you saying that I shouldn't use anything posted while people were still joke voting in my case? If so, I totally disagree with that. In my experience, scum are likely to try to extend the joke vote phase rather than actually playing. My point about Dice's post was that I thought Dice was saying he wouldn't make a real vote until you or Bard Babe got here, which seemed like a poor excuse to avoid playing to me. Dice has since said that what he meant was that he was considering putting a real vote on one of you for being inactive, which I don't see as being much better. Pressuring inactive on early D1 serves no purpose.

 

Bam. I love it. I didn't even really think of that point on Dice till you brought it up Wombat, that makes a lot of sense to me (about witholding his vote till the other ozzies arrived that is)

 

Thinking we caught us some scum first day again. Either way, nice activity folks.

[hazelkrs1]

Also forgot to mention- I thought Mish's response to Peace's vote was reasonable. I think I accidentally deleted the quote.

 

Other than Dice, some people I'm also wary of are Darthe, Starrik, and Panchi, all for either weak or no reasoning given for their votes. Darthe gets bonus ping points for introducing the setup talk discussion (TG was also a pretty blatant offender of the setup talk infraction, but since he is still new I'm willing to overlook that for now)

[Panchi]

Gah, pet hate, Panchi, you gonna give a reason for that?

 

I thought first votes required little reason. They can be unvoted and then voted again.

 

Rand, why didn't you tell me that first votes also required a reason.