[Advanced] Hobbit Mafia Town Wins!

[Tyler Glembo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shcI6vE-PlE

Er.  What was that?

[DPR]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shcI6vE-PlE

Er.  What was that?

 

 

An omen.

[Basel Gill]

Wow, DPR sighting.

 

Basel, I am not just suspicious of you for your vote on Mish today. I said that my defense of Mish was moot cause it was part of a ploy to keep her hidden. Therefore I was not going to try to defend what I said as I had already admitted it was a sham. That does not mean that I need to clear you because you backed off in the light of overwhelming evidence.

 

Why are you so worried about my single vote?

 

Did I say I was worried? No. Why do you assume that I am worried over one vote? You've been presenting an argument full of holes, and I've been showing the flaws in your case. End of story. And yet you somehow manage to turn that into me being worried. You've noted that I was basing my case on points that were moot, and then proceeded to do the same thing. You made it a point in your case the exact same point concerning Mish that I made myself and used it as a counterargument. If I told you that the sky is blue, would you then deny it and tell me that I'm wrong because it is blue? And you've also introduced irrelevant WIFOM about me outing the doc when I've done no such thing, nor have I given the doc any need at all to come forward. If you have a case to make, then make it, but just try to do a better job of thinking it through first. You don't seem to have made that effort so far.

[Darthe]

Hi DPR!  Come play in my game?

[Lenlo]

Turin if your waiting for a CC, your going to be waiting a very very long time. Forever infact because I am Bofur.

 

Basel you jumped on the Mish train way to early. I had barely mentioned what I saw with my tracker ability and you instantly voted her, like you were looking for some excuse. In fact you were the first person to vote her and that was before she had been able to say anything at all in her defense. Your also now pushing a lynch on me, another town power role while trying to discredit alot of what Turin says. I think your doing your best to push a lynch on whatever power role you can because it means one less you need to NK.

 

Vote Basel.

[Lenlo]

Also FoS Starrik. Again. Your voting me because ive been pinging hard, ok I get that. But not a mention of my tracker role or that I am a dwarf? Seems like your looking for a BS reason to join the train.

[Starrik]

Damn it, I keep forgetting things. You claimed a tracking role that forced Mish and Turin to come out with their scam. I have to ask, is it possible for the mafia team to have a tracker?

[Lenlo]

Yes, its called a Mafia Watcher. Its what Basel hopes everyone thinks I am and Turin probably thinks I am but is holding off because I am a dwarf.

[dicetosser1]

so starry  what more would you like me to  do?  I claimed I was after despo hardcore pretty much from thge start and he turned out to be mafia   so  im wondering what more u need for a read on me?

 

Basel Im kinda not liking the way you have gone both Len and Mish. they have both claimed  are currently un ccd   in fact one has turin backing them up. Who even you say is town.

 

 

vote basel but i still have an open mind

[Basel Gill]

so starry  what more would you like me to  do?  I claimed I was after despo hardcore pretty much from thge start and he turned out to be mafia   so  im wondering what more u need for a read on me?

 

Basel Im kinda not liking the way you have gone both Len and Mish. they have both claimed  are currently un ccd   in fact one has turin backing them up. Who even you say is town.

 

 

vote basel but i still have an open mind

 

Dice, did you see the bit where I unvoted Mish and said her claim works? I thought she was suspicious and decided some pressure was needed, and she explained herself validly. Why are you still operating as if I consider her scum? Are you deliberately misrepresenting the facts? And just because Len has not been CCed does not mean he is town. If there is no tracker for town, then Len won't be CCed even though he is scum. Why do you assume that the lack of a CC automatically vets Len?

 

Yes, its called a Mafia Watcher. Its what Basel hopes everyone thinks I am and Turin probably thinks I am but is holding off because I am a dwarf.

 

Len, this is incorrect. Tracker and watcher are two different roles, regardless of alignment. Town watcher or mafia tracker are also possible.

[ruairidh7]

Basel I think the idea is that Len has claimed a dwarf, and since we're assuming all of the dwarves will be in the game there will be a CC if he has fake claimed

[The Bard Babe]

Ok, so that's yet another development, I'm inclined to believe Mish, Turin and Len.

 

Mish and Turin add up quite nicely and Len's story makes sense, though I still see no reason that he couldn't be mafia saying much the same thing.

 

However, I'm confused by the case on Basel. As far as I can see the case has been built on him from a pressure vote on Mish, which is something I've seen him do in previous games, and he did unvote once an explanation was given. Sure, it was a bit dodgy, but it didn't merit such a massive response.

 

Someone fill me in on the other aspects of Basel's case that were dodgy?

 

Also, the case on Peace? Random and vague.

[Lenlo]

Is watcher different? I thought they were the same?

[beanie]

I belive both Mish and Turin, though Len I'm not quite as sure about. I thought it was quite obvious that Mish was the masonizer seeing as it was extremely unlikely that someone would happen to target exactly the same people as the masonizer claimed to have, and I'm not that good at this so I highly doubt you didn't figure it out as well since it made perfect sense. By announcing it, you forced Mish to reveal, practically painting a target on her back. I'm not saying your necessarily scum, I just think you should have waited on telling. I do find it odd how quickly Basel jumped on Mish as soon as Len claimed, as I'm pretty sure we would have gotten an explanation, whether true or false, without the vote. Also, I'm wondering if it's possible for the mafia to have fake claims. It would explain what Rand said in the rules.

 

/endsleepyramblepost

[Lenlo]

I don't remember either Mish or Turin telling us who they targeted Cyan, so I didn't know those were targeted by a masoniser.

 

Also it looked like Roo was poisoned so I had reason to doubt.

[beanie]

Turin told, I'm just too tired to go look it up at the moment.

[Turin Turambar]

Lenlo, I stated on day one I would be checking darthe and announced my results early day two. I also stated my target ans result early today in response to your question. Which now makes me wonder more about you.

 

Tracker and watcher are two very separate roles. Trackers follow a person and see who they visited each night. Watchers sit like in stakeout and see who comes to visit that person. That you are thinking them the same is very worrisome. Perhaps you need to look at your role PM?

[beanie]

Darthe? You said you targeted Roo.

[lolguy26]

turin if you dont mind me asking, (since i havent played in a game with masons before) the win conditions are same as towns right??

 

and does mason with mafia exist?

 

 

/forgive me if the questions are dumb its late and im dead tired

[Lenlo]

You said you targeted Darthe? I was told that Mish targeted Dice, not Darthe. Also you didnt say you targeted Roo today until after I revealed if I remember right.

[Lenlo]

Also I have never seen a watcher before so I didnt know what they did. If thats what they do though what are the odds of picking the exact two people that MIsh would try out of everyone here?

[bgrishinko]

I need to catch up. Weekend syndrome.

[Tyler Glembo]

I need to understand.  With this many roles it difficult to understand some of the nuances of the arguments being made.

[Turin Turambar]

I, actually mish, targeted dice night one. I typed darthe by mistake.

 

Lol, there are groups that can talk which may have both mafia and town in them. Those are called neighbor groups.

 

Lenlo, from your description I had you as a tracker even tho I may have said watcher myself. The two names I do get confused on occasion. It was primarily the fact that you would have read from your PM I assume and still messed it up that troubled me.

 

As far revealing last night's target, I believe it went like this:

I asked Roo for any results, then you asked me, then I answered. It was all within the first handful of posts for the day. I am on my phone so hard to get posts. If anyone else can it would be nice to verify.

[dicetosser1]

basel  roo hit it on the head   it was about you jumping on a claimed dwarf. He is currently unccd and i believe that if he was lying then the real dwarf would pop up quick and len would be dead 10 mins later.