What a "bah" post is and is not.

[Verbal32]

Listen carefully, folks. Or read carefully, whatever.

 

 

What a bah post is:

 

"Oh darn, I'm dead. Go town!"

 

"You got me - go scum!"

 

And things like that. An "oh noez I'm dead" or a "go team" is the ONLY way a bah post should read. The ONLY way. ONLY.

 

 

What a bah post is not:

 

Anything not mentioned above. Anything that contains game data, whether true or false. Planting WIFOM. Planting anything other than your @$$ to the dead thread, if available.

 

 

 

 

Note: this is not specifically targeted at anybody in particular. Yes, this recently happened in a game, but I'm realizing that it has happened a few times recently.....unless my memory is shot....which is possible....I'm getting old.....but not as old as DPR. >_>

[Nolder]

Yeah some people have really been toeing the line with what they say after they die recently

[RandA lThor]

I agree, can you reference your WIFOM like "Good luck mafia, win this for me, hehe, good luck dealing with my WIFOM town."

[Kathleen]

I've had this happen a few times lately in games I mod. I'm never really sure how to handle it. I've gone in a few times and edited their comments but I don't feel good about it. But I dont know what else to do...its not like I could modkill them for revealing things in the Bah post....

[Alanna]

THANK YOU for posting this. I feel like I've had players break this one a couple of times in my games, which is weird, because I really emphasize it in the OP of my games, every time. I hate when this rules gets broken because it can really tip the scales of a game, even if you, as the mod, do something to try and counteract it. I mean, if you're mafia and you kill the finder to keep him silent, OF COURSE the finder can't reveal what he might have found in his 'bah' post. That's like the worst case scenario, but any info reveal just should not happen i a bah post. Defeats the entire purpose of you being dead.

 

I also don't think players should try to influence the game in any way in a bah post - like saying 'everyone should try to lynch so-and-so now - because even if it's their own personal opinion, the other players don't know that. It could be that you found something out in the night.

 

So, yeah. NOTHING should be in a bah post except for what Verb wrote above.

 

EDIT: Kathleen, the best thing you can really do, I think, is to "punish" their team in some way. Or at least, that's the advice I've always been given. So if they were town, give the mafia an extra kill or something, or if they were mafia, give the town an extra viewing or something. It's not really a good balance, but there's not much you can do when a player breaks the rules like that.

[peacesells]

Mod kill a team mate.

[John Snow]

Mod kill a team mate.

 

That's not fair to the teammate.

[peacesells]

Peer pressure is the best pressure.

[RandA lThor]

I like Alanna's idea.

[RandA lThor]

Also, depends onthe severity of the break.

[Nolder]

Mod kill a team mate.

That's not fair to the teammate.

What the initial rulebreaker did was not fair to the other team

You win and lose as a team in mafia (unless solo obviously)

If your teammate is breaking a rule your entire team can be punished IMO and if you don't like that then after the game either confront that person and tell them (politely) you don't like what they did and/or request mods not to let them in on future games

 

THANK YOU for posting this. I feel like I've had players break this one a couple of times in my games, which is weird, because I really emphasize it in the OP of my games, every time. I hate when this rules gets broken because it can really tip the scales of a game, even if you, as the mod, do something to try and counteract it. I mean, if you're mafia and you kill the finder to keep him silent, OF COURSE the finder can't reveal what he might have found in his 'bah' post. That's like the worst case scenario, but any info reveal just should not happen i a bah post. Defeats the entire purpose of you being dead.

 

I also don't think players should try to influence the game in any way in a bah post - like saying 'everyone should try to lynch so-and-so now - because even if it's their own personal opinion, the other players don't know that. It could be that you found something out in the night.

I also don't believe dead players should be allowed as replacements unless it's ok with the scum

People get lynched/killed often because of what they were saying and not because of their role

Letting them back in the game can be unfair to the scum IMHO

[Alanna]

Actually, I agree with you on that, Nolder - I prefer not to use previous players as replacements, and that's one of the reasons. It sucks, but sometimes mafia kills players specifically because they feel that player is a smart player or whatever, so bringing them back isn't fair to the mafia if they killed them. It also gets really confusing for me, when you bring back dead players as different players.

 

Unfortunately, sometimes those are the only people you can find to come back, so I have done it before. But I prefer not to.

[Nolder]

True

I've done it as well

I think I'm going to be more heavy handed with modkilling in the future though and see how that works out for me

[hazelkrs1]

This is something that personally really pisses me off, whether the person that commits the infraction is on my team or not. And we seriously have had a rash of this lately. Frankly I think violaters of this should be suspended from at least a couple of games for doing this, and multiple violaters given even harsher punishments. And I completely agree that the teammates should be penalized in some way, because as Verb said no pressure is better than peer pressure. Modkilling a teammate should def be considered in some cases. I think Mods are worried about coming down too hard on people that break the rules, honestly, cause they're worried that their players will not enjoy the game as much or something

[Razen]

This is why I tend not to post after I die. That way I don't have to worry about anything. You die, you shut up (for lack of a more polite way to put it). At least that's how I see it. And if you absolutely feel the need to continue speaking about the game, that is why some mods create dead threads. I think it shows an utter lack of respect to everyone playing when players violate this rule. If it takes peer pressure to make it stop, then by all means, peer pressure should be employed.

[RandA lThor]

Yeah I see where you are going, the only thing I don't like is modkilling a teammate because that imbalance the game or something like that, which maybe unproportional to the damage the other player did. I think it should all be taken into account with what the player said.

[Gabriel Kross]

Just found this thread, I understand the views. There is one exception, when information is posted incorrectly, and has been multiple times throughout the game a simple correction to what would have been told anyways if posted correctly in the first place should not be considered an infraction.

[Niniel]

Then you can send a PM to the mod.

[Gabriel Kross]

Still would have been the same as saying "go team x" tbh

[Alanna]

I agree that if you think there is a mistake, you need to PM the mod, not post about it. For all you know, the mod did it on purpose for some reason not disclosed to you. Could have something to do with the game mechanics. Maybe you thought you were one thing and your were really something else! ;)

 

That would mostly probably fall in line with bastard modding, and I think that even if for some reason I was going to do something like that as a mod, I would give the person a heads-up ahead of time, but still. You never know. So I agree with Tina, in that case, PM the mod.

[hazelkrs1]

Just found this thread, I understand the views. There is one exception, when information is posted incorrectly, and has been multiple times throughout the game a simple correction to what would have been told anyways if posted correctly in the first place should not be considered an infraction.

 

Incorrect sir. As Ithi pointed out in the game, you or the rest of us don't know if there was some kind of game twist involved that they needed to inform us about or something. When in doubt, always defer to the mod in such situations. I believe you once kept doubting that a mod was correct about a VC, that policy might have been best then as well. In mafia, Mod's word is law.

 

Then you can send a PM to the mod.

 

Exactamundo

 

Still would have been the same as saying "go team x" tbh

 

Incidentally, that might not have even been appropriate either in that situation. I might be breaking decorum slightly by bringing this up, but when Leelou died, we were deprived of a coroner report. When she posted, she just said " *dies* ". She did it right. I'm honestly thinking with the rash of problems we've had with this rule, it might be best to just not allow players a Bah! post at all.

 

I agree that if you think there is a mistake, you need to PM the mod, not post about it. For all you know, the mod did it on purpose for some reason not disclosed to you. Could have something to do with the game mechanics. Maybe you thought you were one thing and your were really something else! ;)

 

That would mostly probably fall in line with bastard modding, and I think that even if for some reason I was going to do something like that as a mod, I would give the person a heads-up ahead of time, but still. You never know. So I agree with Tina, in that case, PM the mod.

 

You know, you bring something up, I've heard discussion about certain roles being bastard roles, and death miller is one of them (when it dies, it gives the wrong flip), and I personally don't see it as that bad, as long as the mod provides some sort of clue or something that indicates that something like this could be plausible. It's true that it can be somewhat disruptive info, but as long as people keep an open mind, and keep playing until the game actually is "over", they should be able to work around a mechanic like that.

[alannalynn]

I approve this thread. The fail bahs have been bothering me lately. That, and all the disrespect: why do you always have to be right? (but that's another matter...)

[Gabriel Kross]

The issue is when it is consistently proven that it is just a mistake in the mod post, then logic dictates that further ones most likely also mistakes in the mod's post. If there is a mechanic that is going to change the information given, the dead person should recieve that information as the info is posted. Otherwise it would be safe to assume that an error was made and the information would have been given correctly had it been noticed.

 

I also agree that there should not be a bah post allowed however. A dead player should be dead, a bah post even done correctly leaves room for effecting gameplay so should not be allowed. I personally have come up with some funny legit bah posts before but those can easily be saved for post game. My games once I start modding will not allow for bah posts, to preventthese things.

[bgrishinko]

I approve this message.

 

In Panda's game I said something around the lines of "Get 'em!" in my Bah post, which I meant as get the mafia, but it could have been easily been misconstrued to be referring to the person I was FoSing the most before that. It didn't really have an effect on the game, but it annoyed Panda and I was sorry for it and made it an effort to not say anything that might mean something from then on.

[Verbal32]

The issue is when it is consistently proven that it is just a mistake in the mod post, then logic dictates that further ones most likely also mistakes in the mod's post. If there is a mechanic that is going to change the information given, the dead person should recieve that information as the info is posted. Otherwise it would be safe to assume that an error was made and the information would have been given correctly had it been noticed.

 

I also agree that there should not be a bah post allowed however. A dead player should be dead, a bah post even done correctly leaves room for effecting gameplay so should not be allowed. I personally have come up with some funny legit bah posts before but those can easily be saved for post game. My games once I start modding will not allow for bah posts, to preventthese things.

 

Protip: never assume. Anything.