[TOWN WINS!] BG's Basic Wheel of Time Books Mafia

[Turin Turambar]

Stuff on RandA deleted...

 

Oh and yes, I was in the Earthbound game, and yes, Ithi took out scum left and right, but that was all with her ABILITIES. I don't remember her leading tons of scum lynches in that game. Not trying to downplay her effectiveness that game, just saying that I wouldn't agree that she was nearly as aggressive scumhunting as she has been this game. Another game I saw her being fairly aggressive, but it wasn't right off the bat like this game, and she was a LD anyways, so it benefited her to pressure as many people and get statements from them to LD.

 

Oh and Turin why are you so sure of Ithi's alignment? You're attempting to use all kinds of meta to clear her, yet you don't really spend much time on the stuff that happened THIS game. I agree that she wasn't flailing all over the place like Lily said, but there have been other odd things of note about her play.

Earthbound, took out mafia as the VIG. Meaning shot the bad guys dead. Now anyone can choose to shoot anyone, but you have to pick the right ones or else it can damage town greatly. The choices made there count toward scumhunting as you have to find the right people to shoot. It was used after D1 to give town a second lynch each day so it was less the ability and more the technique. The Labyrinth game the mafia used the Strongman Kill they needed to win at the end on her just to get her out of the game. the other game was FF. she totally nailed EP on day 1 without using any abilities other than reasoning. In fact it drew so much heat on her that the mafia was thinking we could actually get her lynched. that didn't work out too well.

 

Bottom line is her actions in this game so far match her most recent meta as town. You are mentioning weird things? She voted you cause you were acting unusual. I am no one to judge that cause I always think you are mafia. Then she voted Rand for his behavior(who are you voting now? btw) and she made a case on Lily that you called weak but haven't really refuted with any evidence of how you think her reasoning is flawed. Afraid of over defending a teammate?

[WWWwombat]

I don't like Wombat's switch either on top of the fact he never answered my question on why he thought Mish needed particular scrutiny. Des mentions it and Womby is all like "I could go with you as well" (obviously paraphrased)

 

What are you talking about? When did I say Mish needed "particular scrutiny?"

[WWWwombat]

Wombat, you always think I'm scum, darling.

 

Peace, I don't know what to say. How am I scummy?

 

What was this in response to? Did I ever FoS Lily?

[WWWwombat]

Rand and Lily looking scummy to me right now.

 

Nvm here it is lol.

[WWWwombat]

I find this sudden shift of attention to Wombat sketchy. For what apparently was just him changing his mind. It's clunky.

 

This is a huge ping right here. Sudden shift of attention? I think 2, maybe 3 people had mentioned his 180 on Ithi. Why would you find that sketchy? This raises my suspicion of Wombat and makes me highly suspicious of Alanna

 

I did not make a 180 on Ithi. Iirc I said I went from saying I had a townread on her to thinking that she might or could be mafia. Town read does not mean definite clear and might be mafia does not mean definite or even probable scum. You are spinning.

[Sakaea]

I did unvote by the way, O mod type people.

[Sakaea]

So DL is 9am my time...I'm going to vote Rand, since I think he is the better lynch choice atm, and I may not be online in the morning in time to vote.

[WWWwombat]

unvote

Vote: Lily

 

Ithi's case on Lily isn't the strongest, but I like the votes on Rand with little or no explanation even less.

[WWWwombat]

Sorry. When I get home I don't have much time to play, especially when I have a million and one other things to look after here and Boggle to play. I would love to see my meek posts though ... any quotes for me?

 

Lily and Despo are so working together. Lily is still prodding votes my way. Despo is finding an alternative to switch to just in case. Rand's formulaic 'scummy scummy scummy' is still weak. What else do you want me to say? None of them will shift their votes unless it looks like they won't get a lynch through. It is all very entertaining to watch though. I have been reading the emails as they pop up on my phone.

 

Really thinking this is the case btw.

[LilyElizabeth]

I don't like moving off Ithi, but we have to consolidate, and obviously, I'm not voting myself.

 

Unvote

Vote Rand

[peacesells]

I think there are several people purposely ignoring Rands points and if he flips town I'll haves good idea who the scum are.

[hazelkrs1]

Earthbound, took out mafia as the VIG. Meaning shot the bad guys dead. Now anyone can choose to shoot anyone, but you have to pick the right ones or else it can damage town greatly. The choices made there count toward scumhunting as you have to find the right people to shoot. It was used after D1 to give town a second lynch each day so it was less the ability and more the technique. The Labyrinth game the mafia used the Strongman Kill they needed to win at the end on her just to get her out of the game. the other game was FF. she totally nailed EP on day 1 without using any abilities other than reasoning. In fact it drew so much heat on her that the mafia was thinking we could actually get her lynched. that didn't work out too well.

 

Bottom line is her actions in this game so far match her most recent meta as town. You are mentioning weird things? She voted you cause you were acting unusual. I am no one to judge that cause I always think you are mafia. Then she voted Rand for his behavior(who are you voting now? btw) and she made a case on Lily that you called weak but haven't really refuted with any evidence of how you think her reasoning is flawed. Afraid of over defending a teammate?

 

Just about everything you mention in the first paragraph is still linked to what she was doing with her ABILITIES, NOT her behavior in scumhunting. A cop viewing someone DOES NOT equal scumhunting. Scumhunting is what the thread discussion is for, abilities are something altogether different. What don't you understand about that?

 

And she has had some strange behavior this game. If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't have seen the pileup of votes on her that there was. Not only was she ultra-aggressive right out of the gate, but she also had some strange comments about other things. Like thinking basic games couldn't have 3rd party. Or the fact that her casing on Lily was pretty flawed. Oh, and I already covered PART of the reason it was, so if you didn't catch it the first time you better go and reread again.

 

And incidentally, I don't really feel I've defended Lily that much this game. In fact, I've also called her out for a couple of things that didn't add up. But initially I felt Ithi was by far acting scummier than Lily.

 

I find this sudden shift of attention to Wombat sketchy. For what apparently was just him changing his mind. It's clunky.

 

This is a huge ping right here. Sudden shift of attention? I think 2, maybe 3 people had mentioned his 180 on Ithi. Why would you find that sketchy? This raises my suspicion of Wombat and makes me highly suspicious of Alanna

 

I did not make a 180 on Ithi. Iirc I said I went from saying I had a townread on her to thinking that she might or could be mafia. Town read does not mean definite clear and might be mafia does not mean definite or even probable scum. You are spinning.

 

Uh huh. This post smells like bs to me. In a few posts you went from having a town read on Ithi to thinking she would be a good lynch.

 

In fact, I'll go ahead and quote them so everyone can see for themselves:

 

I have town reads on Ithi and Lily btw.

 

Four posts later -

 

Starting to think from how the competing trains coalesced so "naturally" that Ithi could be mafia. Not sure though. Rand and Ithi are both good lynches imo.

 

I didn't change, alter, or leave anything out of those posts. Oh and btw, there were no added posts in the meantime, so you can't use that defense either. You say I'm spinning, but it's there plain as day for anyone to see.

 

Oh and @Rand: I'm not sure if you're implying that I am one of the "illegitimate" votes on your train, but you sir are wrong if that's the case. I read everything you said, the fact is, YOU cased Ithi, but NEVER cased Lily, yet still voted for Lily, offering nothing else than "Lily seems like the better option right now". That does seem a lot like setting up lynches. If you didn't want to look so scummy, you shouldn't have spent so much time casing Ithi, or spent more time casing Lily.

[hazelkrs1]

I forgot to mention, the other thing I still don't like about Ithi's play was the fact that her play has altered several times this game. Ultra-aggressive out of the gate, clammy and viperish when catching heat, then she started tunneling on Lily pretty hardcore, and lastly she now seems to be happy letting Turin fight her battles for her. I'm not 100% on her scumminess right now, but the fact that Turin is competely dismissing the odd things about Ithi this game makes me think he came in as a replacement for her teammate.

[Ironeyes]

Official Vote Count:

 

 

Rand(7): GF, Nightstrike, Nolder, Despo, Darthe, Kae, Lily

Lily(6): Peace, Ithi, Rand, Turin, Misheru, Wombat

Wombat(1): EP

Despo(1): Tiinker

Kae(1): JohnSnow

Tiinker(1): Lulz

Misheru(1): Thorum

 

Not Voting (2): Alanna, Wot13

 

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Wednesday @ Noon CT.

 

http://timeanddate.c...04&msg=Deadline

[RandA lThor]

First of all, where do those of you who are not on either train stand? At this point, a random will only help mafia.

 

Also,

So DL is 9am my time...I'm going to vote Rand, since I think he is the better lynch choice atm, and I may not be online in the morning in time to vote.

 

reasons? I know people said this was scummy before, but I stand by the fact that someone should be able to ask why someone cased them, especially in a moment like this, that seems like just going with the easiest lynch.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Why are you scaremongering? There will be no random lynch in this game. Why don't people read the rules? BG clearly said that if a majority Lynch is not achieved before deadline, it will turn into a deadline game at that point and the person with the most votes will get lynched. Why else do you think Lily hopped over to Rand - she just needs to make sure someone else has more votes than her and she is safe. That person is you Rand. Atm you is the one going to get dead. It isn't going to go Random. If there is a reason you need to live, you had best start thinking of it now.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I went to bed Despo. It was gone Midnight.

[RandA lThor]

Why are you scaremongering? There will be no random lynch in this game. Why don't people read the rules? BG clearly said that if a majority Lynch is not achieved before deadline, it will turn into a deadline game at that point and the person with the most votes will get lynched. Why else do you think Lily hopped over to Rand - she just needs to make sure someone else has more votes than her and she is safe. That person is you Rand. Atm you is the one going to get dead. It isn't going to go Random. If there is a reason you need to live, you had best start thinking of it now.

 

Sorry, did not see that, I am too used to random. OK, as I am going to go to sleep and don't know if I will have time tomorrow because of school, I am thinking about revealing right now.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Rules:

 

1. This is a Hammer Game. That means that when a majority of votes have been cast on one player, the day will end and all voting and unvoting will no longer be counted.

 

2. In the case that no consensus is reached before deadline, the game will revert to a deadline format. This means that whoever has the most votes when the deadline is reached, will be lynched.

 

3. If there is a tie at deadline, the person who is lynched will be randomly decided.

 

 

 

There you go. Of course it don't help that one of the tag along Mods said something about us not liking what will happen if a majority isn't reached, like there was gonna be some kind of big bad surprise, whn BG has already told us exactly what will happen.

 

 

[RandA lThor]

He may have been talking about a tie possibility. Mod question: If there is a tie then will the random person be decided from the people who are tied or from everyone?

[Tiinker]

unvote, vote Lily

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'd thought from the people who were tied - logically.

[RandA lThor]

Yeah, that's what I thought too, but you never know.

[Ithillian Turambar]

The other thing is, because only a simple majority is required if it goes to deadline, all the mafia players have to do is pile on last minute to make sure their own team mate doesn't get lynched - unless they are already on the other train of course. So just being one less near deadline might not be good enough

[RandA lThor]

The other thing is, because only a simple majority is required if it goes to deadline, all the mafia players have to do is pile on last minute to make sure their own team mate doesn't get lynched - unless they are already on the other train of course. So just being one less near deadline might not be good enough

 

Right, but then wouldn't mafia give themselves away if that person was town?