[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[hazelkrs1]

Checking in, not silenced. Wanna hear more from others before I take another guess at who might be the CL. Cult should still be our priority imo. Sometimes a cult's recruitment restriction is lifted when the CL gets voted, that might be something worth looking at. It could just be that they weren't allowed to recruit Night 1 tho, or even that the CL forgot to send in a NA. I really hate cult games with no recruitment restriction though so I hope that's not the case

[mmeeshal]

Not silenced, just have nothing to say at the moment.

[bhskeeper11]

I think Sakaea looks the most scummy at the moment. The last day phase was going back and forth between Red and BG. They both stack up and get about halfway to a lynch and that's when Sakaea flips on Red, completely turning the tide against Red.

 

Red flipped Lightsworn turned Dragonsworn... but does that mean Sakaea wasn't already Dragonsworn?

 

It took me forever to read through this whole game... I have no doubts that I "missed out" on the feel of the game in the beginning by just reading everything at one time, but it seemed like Sakaea supported/defended BG for a while, then later claimed Mason when she was the popular lynch candidate, goes against BG when Red is the other target, and flips on Red when those votes against Red keep stacking up.

 

It just seems fishy.

 

Vote Sakaea.

[Turin Turambar]

So at this time the only ones not to have checked in are BG, Verb and Ledinna.

[Nolder]

Well I know Verb has been around since I spoke to him offthread about matters unrelated to this game

but unless he's silenced I think he's waiting to get his iphone so he can post from it or something

dunno though

I guess all we can really do is wait

 

also have we had two silences in a row? I can't remember

maybe it's an every other night power?

[Amadine]

Turin (1) - Ed

Kae (1) - Kate

Not Voting: Nolder, Verb, Ishy, Turin, BG, Meesh, Kae, Maw, Player, Womby, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina

15 players = 8 to lynch

[Ledinna Sedai]

Not silenced, just have nothing to say at the moment.

 

^^ This. Doesn't that mean either Verb or BG is silenced, and from those most likely BG?

[Nolder]

it's almost assuredly BG then since there'd be almost no point in silencing Verb afaik

[Sakaea]

Recruit

Redirect

Block---- Nyn

Silence

Kill ---- Nyn, Soy

View

Check

 

 

Checked in:

Ed

Player

Nolder

Turin

Wombat

Tina

Maw

Ishy

Des

Ledinna

Kate

Meesh

 

 

 

 

Not posted yet:

 

BG

Verb

 

 

I agree that BG has most likely been silenced.

 

I think Sakaea looks the most scummy at the moment. The last day phase was going back and forth between Red and BG. They both stack up and get about halfway to a lynch and that's when Sakaea flips on Red, completely turning the tide against Red.

 

Red flipped Lightsworn turned Dragonsworn... but does that mean Sakaea wasn't already Dragonsworn?

 

It took me forever to read through this whole game... I have no doubts that I "missed out" on the feel of the game in the beginning by just reading everything at one time, but it seemed like Sakaea supported/defended BG for a while, then later claimed Mason when she was the popular lynch candidate, goes against BG when Red is the other target, and flips on Red when those votes against Red keep stacking up.

 

It just seems fishy.

 

Vote Sakaea.

 

Yes, I roleclaimed when I was the popular lynch candidate. I defended BG at first because he was an uncontested cop. I couldn't believe that anyone would actually want to lynch an uncontested cop so early in the game. After that, I had my doubts about him because he was acting scummy. I even voted for him.

How Red's and my Neighborhood watch team worked was that we each got a list at daybreak. Red got the list of who was targeted, I got the list of actions performed. When I got my list last day phase, there was no mention made of Red or her list from our Mod goddess. I assumed that meant she'd been roleblocked, and I continued to vote for BG. Then, when I realized how active Red had been on our QT thread, and the fact that she was now ignoring our QT but posting on thread, I realized she'd been recruited. So I voted for her.

I got my list at daybreak, and while that is helpful, I realize it's not proof I wasn't recruited. I wasn't, but I can only assume they didn't because they wanted to leave the wifom in place, and hope I would get lynched instead of actual cult.

[Verbal32]

Has to be BG - I'm not silenced.

[WWWwombat]

If Soy was a Lie Detector, then the "check" was his action. Does that sound right?

 

Also, no Vote Control. That seems kinda odd. Not that I am complaining about that.

 

This post is very rolefishy. I think Turin is worried about multiple Lie Detectors and wants to know if there is any possibility of his being lie detected before he tells us a whopper.

 

Vote: Turin

[WWWwombat]

Vote: Turin

[Amadine]

Turin (2) - Ed, Womby

Kae (1) - Kate

Not Voting: Nolder, Verb, Ishy, Turin, BG, Meesh, Kae, Maw, Player, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina

15 players = 8 to lynch

[hazelkrs1]

I don't really have much to go on here, but Turin seems like a good enough candidate to apply pressure to.

[Nolder]

I think we should seriously consider lynching either BG or Sakaea

the odds one of them was recruited is extremely high even with the WIFOM

based on the fact that Red was still listed as a neighborhood watch I think this cult retains it's previous powers

I'm thinking it would be a really sneaky move to recruit and silence BG on the same day in order to get sakaea lynched

or it could be the mafia just wanted to keep BG quiet and he wasn't recruited

but either way BG'll be dead/recruited/silenced again by tomorrow for sure so I think it's better to just remove him rather than take the chance

also another point in favor of my cult silencer theory

if the mafia still have the power to silence, block, and kill why didn't they block Nyn, kill BG, and silence Sakaea?

seems much better choice than block/killing Nyn and silencing BG

idk

it makes sense to me anyway

 

Vote: BG

[Niniel]

I have been thinking the same. It´s quiet common that mafia silence one of their own so he/she can look town. And BG has acted strange, especially on day one. I will join Nolder and vote BG.

[WWWwombat]

I think we should seriously consider lynching either BG or Sakaea

the odds one of them was recruited is extremely high even with the WIFOM

based on the fact that Red was still listed as a neighborhood watch I think this cult retains it's previous powers

I'm thinking it would be a really sneaky move to recruit and silence BG on the same day in order to get sakaea lynched

or it could be the mafia just wanted to keep BG quiet and he wasn't recruited

but either way BG'll be dead/recruited/silenced again by tomorrow for sure so I think it's better to just remove him rather than take the chance

also another point in favor of my cult silencer theory

if the mafia still have the power to silence, block, and kill why didn't they block Nyn, kill BG, and silence Sakaea?

seems much better choice than block/killing Nyn and silencing BG

idk

it makes sense to me anyway

 

Vote: BG

 

This makes no sense whatsoever. Even if BG is recruited, as you pointed out in the Seanchan Invasion game in the Aiel (in which you were town), going after cult recruits is asinine when there is still a cult leader alive. Furthermore, seeing as the silence and the recruit probably belong to mafia and cult respectively, the idea of them being used in concert to ostensibly vet BG is ludicrous. Finally, the mafia knows that BG is a cop. They also know that the healer is dead. They would like nothing more than to kill BG without using an NK seeing as cult and town are both threats to them. I say we make the mafia use an NK on BG. I also say if they continue to leave him silenced and alive, that we let them. He will be a player who is confirmed as not cult leader. This kind of play is head-scratching from you, Nolder. I think either you are mafia trying to get BG out of the way, or you are cult trying to save Turin. Tina is also possibly your teammate. The very fact that you are trying to lynch confirmed non cult leaders makes me pretty sure you are scum.

[Sakaea]

While I agree that BG was likely recruited since I wasn't (yes I realize you may not believe me), I don't think we should lynch him. Basically, what Womby ^^ said. So I am going to Vote Turin. Turin, anything to say?

[Turin Turambar]

Sorry in advance for multiple posts. I can't multi quote on this machine.

There was no protect? does that mean Nyn got blocked? Mafia must have wanted her bad.

 

Obviously I am not silent. I think everyone wants to hear from BG.

 

Turin, this whole post doesn't sit well.

I asked Why in the next post. No answer from Ed. I merely pointed to a fact there was no protect action on last night's list and that would likely mean that Nyn was roleblocked before being killed.( I doubt she would forget to send in her action) This assumes that the mafia had figured her out as doc and intended to take her out.

[Turin Turambar]

If Soy was a Lie Detector, then the "check" was his action. Does that sound right?

 

Also, no Vote Control. That seems kinda odd. Not that I am complaining about that.

 

This post is very rolefishy. I think Turin is worried about multiple Lie Detectors and wants to know if there is any possibility of his being lie detected before he tells us a whopper.

 

Vote: Turin

rolefinshy? I am not as experienced as many of you guys but I could not conceive of there being 2 Lie Detectors in a game. I mean a back-up cop and doc sure but a second or back up Lie Detector? If you have had that before I would be surprised. I was curious about the "check" action once Kae and Red revealed their complete lists. I asked and even Kae who I believe is experienced said she did not know what it was. I thought I had figured it out and was curious if I was right.

[Turin Turambar]

I don't really have much to go on here, but Turin seems like a good enough candidate to apply pressure to.

my bold.

 

There is WoT Despo, third on the train with not much to go on. Not even a real case. Lazy Despo. pressure applied I guess.

[Turin Turambar]

I think Sakaea looks the most scummy at the moment. The last day phase was going back and forth between Red and BG. They both stack up and get about halfway to a lynch and that's when Sakaea flips on Red, completely turning the tide against Red.

 

Red flipped Lightsworn turned Dragonsworn... but does that mean Sakaea wasn't already Dragonsworn?

 

It took me forever to read through this whole game... I have no doubts that I "missed out" on the feel of the game in the beginning by just reading everything at one time, but it seemed like Sakaea supported/defended BG for a while, then later claimed Mason when she was the popular lynch candidate, goes against BG when Red is the other target, and flips on Red when those votes against Red keep stacking up.

 

It just seems fishy.

 

Vote Sakaea.

Since I am already monologuing, I just want to say this is ridiculous to me. From Red's coroner report we KNOW she was a town neighborhood watch team with Kae until Red was recruited. In order for Kae to have been Dragonsworn before Red she would have had to have been recruited N2. Based on how Kae was able to smoke out Red for not posting on their QT it seems fairly obvious the same would have occurred day 3 if Kae had been recruited then.

 

I think the only obvious thing to come out of yesterday (aside from there being a cult is that Kae was confirmed as town at that point. She got her list today so it would make sense that she was not recruited last night either.(unless she made up today's list)

 

That this was Kate's first real post of the game is somewhat odd to me. Maybe teammates pointed this direction?

 

You asked to hear from me Kae and I didn't vote you like Corro(Kate) did. and did again.

[Verbal32]

While I agree with the theory that Wombat is talking about, I think I'm looking at this in a different way. I've seen recruited Cops completely decimate the town before. While it is scummy to suggest lynching the likely Cop, it also isn't a bad idea to remove what would probably end up as a major threat to the town.

 

All in all, I'm on the fence on this....

[Netbattler11]

VOTE NOLDER because... My gut says to.

[Nolder]

I think we should seriously consider lynching either BG or Sakaea

the odds one of them was recruited is extremely high even with the WIFOM

based on the fact that Red was still listed as a neighborhood watch I think this cult retains it's previous powers

I'm thinking it would be a really sneaky move to recruit and silence BG on the same day in order to get sakaea lynched

or it could be the mafia just wanted to keep BG quiet and he wasn't recruited

but either way BG'll be dead/recruited/silenced again by tomorrow for sure so I think it's better to just remove him rather than take the chance

also another point in favor of my cult silencer theory

if the mafia still have the power to silence, block, and kill why didn't they block Nyn, kill BG, and silence Sakaea?

seems much better choice than block/killing Nyn and silencing BG

idk

it makes sense to me anyway

 

Vote: BG

 

This makes no sense whatsoever. Even if BG is recruited, as you pointed out in the Seanchan Invasion game in the Aiel (in which you were town), going after cult recruits is asinine when there is still a cult leader alive. Furthermore, seeing as the silence and the recruit probably belong to mafia and cult respectively, the idea of them being used in concert to ostensibly vet BG is ludicrous. Finally, the mafia knows that BG is a cop. They also know that the healer is dead. They would like nothing more than to kill BG without using an NK seeing as cult and town are both threats to them. I say we make the mafia use an NK on BG. I also say if they continue to leave him silenced and alive, that we let them. He will be a player who is confirmed as not cult leader. This kind of play is head-scratching from you, Nolder. I think either you are mafia trying to get BG out of the way, or you are cult trying to save Turin. Tina is also possibly your teammate. The very fact that you are trying to lynch confirmed non cult leaders makes me pretty sure you are scum.

lol as if I remember past games

yeah that makes sense

BG obviously isn't the cult leader but who do you think it is?

Unvote: BG

 

honestly I'm not seeing any good targets and the Turin train feels really random

I suppose it could be cult going after mafia under the direction of a former member?

I don't know how I'd feel about taking out mafia before cult

obviously we want them both dead but the cult is the bigger threat