[Advanced] Lily's Mythical Beings Mafia

[hazelkrs1]

So it was "almost guaranteed" to start a train on him.... and yet it didn't. Not only that, but we can get information from trains started on anyone, no matter how they started. If everyone decides to joke vote on the same person, and his train builds and you start seeing people sweating and defending him, guess what you got information.

 

You're reaching hardcore Ishy.

[hazelkrs1]

And just to clarify, the Red vote had some merit to it, I'll admit, but to completely disregard Red's case without giving her reasoning any credence, just screams you looking to start a lynch on anyone that gets active. So my FoS on you stands.

 

Why are you trying to paint things differently than how they actually happened?

 

Red voted No Lynch.

 

People called her out for it.

 

She defended herself, along with others.

 

I then said we shouldn't policy lynch her, defending her to a degree, then said that she was pinging somewhat to me.

 

I never disregarded her case, I just disagreed with it.

 

And you saying me doing that "screams" anything other then me disagreeing with her reasoning shows you're apparently extremely eager to build a case on someone. Watch the hyperbole bro.

[John E. Kelley]

So it was "almost guaranteed" to start a train on him.... and yet it didn't. Not only that, but we can get information from trains started on anyone, no matter how they started. If everyone decides to joke vote on the same person, and his train builds and you start seeing people sweating and defending him, guess what you got information.

 

You're reaching hardcore Ishy.

 

Red had 5 votes on her on D1, how is that not a train? And joke votes, if they are indeed "joke votes", shouldn't reach that level, unless they then become "bandwagon votes" which are entirely different things. How can you not say that a train wasn't started on Red when there is absolutely no doubt that a train was, in fact, started on Red? And I applaud her for getting this game moving. D1 is always too full of joke votes (usually two trains) and to get this game moving in an active direction is always going to be a plus in my book.

[hazelkrs1]

You're almost making this too easy, Ishy.

 

Dear lovely mod goddess of infinite sexiness, are character reveals forbidden? Just wanna get the ground rules layed out...

 

 

If, by character, you mean what kind of being you are, yes, they are forbidden.

 

 

I just meant names is all.

 

Let's not forget this little tidbit right here, this was crazy scummy. First of all, when are character reveals EVER either allowed, OR a good idea? Not only that, but looking at the phrasing of Lily's response, it seems not everyone has a name, so she was trying to hint that he should keep quiet about that. Red and I think someone else already pointed out how this was scummy, and what was Ishy's defense? That he's lazy. Exactly what he tried accusing me of. Strike 1.

 

Then he starts goin all Jojo the Indian boy on me, trying his hardest to build a case out of nothing. Even if you do think something is pinging, fine, state your case. But the way he put it, that me voting on Red "screams" me looking to start a lynch on anyone who's active, is just ridonkulous. My case on Red had nothing to do with her activity level. Strike 2.

 

So it was "almost guaranteed" to start a train on him.... and yet it didn't. Not only that, but we can get information from trains started on anyone, no matter how they started. If everyone decides to joke vote on the same person, and his train builds and you start seeing people sweating and defending him, guess what you got information.

 

You're reaching hardcore Ishy.

 

Red had 5 votes on her on D1, how is that not a train? And joke votes, if they are indeed "joke votes", shouldn't reach that level, unless they then become "bandwagon votes" which are entirely different things. How can you not say that a train wasn't started on Red when there is absolutely no doubt that a train was, in fact, started on Red? And I applaud her for getting this game moving. D1 is always too full of joke votes (usually two trains) and to get this game moving in an active direction is always going to be a plus in my book.

 

We were talking about my joke vote on Barm, not Red. It should be completely obvious to anyone in this game that my vote on Red wasn't a joke vote, I really thought she was pinging at that point, and since you don't have much to go on anyways day 1, I placed my vote where I thought it could help town the most. We applied pressure, and got some info out of it. Normally I'd let this slip pass by, just thinking you made an honest mistake, but in light of the fact that you're reaching hardcore to make a case on me anyways so a slip-up is more likely, that's Strike 3, and enough for me.

 

Unvote, Vote Ishamael Forsaken.

[Barmacral]

OMGUS much Des?

[hazelkrs1]

That's weird, I'm pretty sure I added the color thing. Well it's not necessary according to the mod rules, but I'll do it again just in case.

 

Unvote, Vote Ishamael Forsaken.

[hazelkrs1]

Just callin it like I see it Barm. You look at the points I brought up and tell me Ishy's not pinging right now. I know you might think I am, but take a step back really quick and pretend you don't already have bias against me.

[John E. Kelley]

You're almost making this too easy, Ishy.

 

Dear lovely mod goddess of infinite sexiness, are character reveals forbidden? Just wanna get the ground rules layed out...

 

 

If, by character, you mean what kind of being you are, yes, they are forbidden.

 

 

I just meant names is all.

 

Let's not forget this little tidbit right here, this was crazy scummy. First of all, when are character reveals EVER either allowed, OR a good idea? Not only that, but looking at the phrasing of Lily's response, it seems not everyone has a name, so she was trying to hint that he should keep quiet about that. Red and I think someone else already pointed out how this was scummy, and what was Ishy's defense? That he's lazy. Exactly what he tried accusing me of. Strike 1.

 

Then he starts goin all Jojo the Indian boy on me, trying his hardest to build a case out of nothing. Even if you do think something is pinging, fine, state your case. But the way he put it, that me voting on Red "screams" me looking to start a lynch on anyone who's active, is just ridonkulous. My case on Red had nothing to do with her activity level. Strike 2.

 

So it was "almost guaranteed" to start a train on him.... and yet it didn't. Not only that, but we can get information from trains started on anyone, no matter how they started. If everyone decides to joke vote on the same person, and his train builds and you start seeing people sweating and defending him, guess what you got information.

 

You're reaching hardcore Ishy.

 

Red had 5 votes on her on D1, how is that not a train? And joke votes, if they are indeed "joke votes", shouldn't reach that level, unless they then become "bandwagon votes" which are entirely different things. How can you not say that a train wasn't started on Red when there is absolutely no doubt that a train was, in fact, started on Red? And I applaud her for getting this game moving. D1 is always too full of joke votes (usually two trains) and to get this game moving in an active direction is always going to be a plus in my book.

 

We were talking about my joke vote on Barm, not Red. It should be completely obvious to anyone in this game that my vote on Red wasn't a joke vote, I really thought she was pinging at that point, and since you don't have much to go on anyways day 1, I placed my vote where I thought it could help town the most. We applied pressure, and got some info out of it. Normally I'd let this slip pass by, just thinking you made an honest mistake, but in light of the fact that you're reaching hardcore to make a case on me anyways so a slip-up is more likely, that's Strike 3, and enough for me.

 

Unvote, Vote Ishamael Forsaken.

 

But we weren't talking only of your vote on Barm, your case against Red was the deciding factor as far as I'm concerned. A 5th vote on Red, when she wasn't pinging scum as far as I'm concerned was the deciding factor. I don't think that a bandwagon on Red helps the town at all, as her no lynch provides no information, her votes against her provides no information, and my reaching (as you call it) can be chalked up to being happy that we can get some reads on other players that have been inactive till now. You're saying that a bandwagon didn't form even though Red reached L3 is incredibly suspect imo.

 

And I never accused you of laziness, I accused you of scumminess. Big difference. Trying to start a wagon on Barm with joke votes (complete scum tell), then a wagon on Red (easy wagon) is also scummy. If your vote on Red was based on a ping, it was seriously misplaced at that point. Too easy to get involved in a lynch midpoint that was obviously going to go a long way.

[hazelkrs1]

I never said Red didn't have a train started, I said Barm didn't have one started. And how in the world was Red L-3? From what I saw the most votes she had was maybe 5, you need 11 to lynch. And starting trains, whether from joke votes, or ping reads, is not a scum tell. Day 1 the best thing you can do is build multiple trains on as many targets as possible to see how everyone reacts to those pressured. And you did say I was being lazy in jumping on Red's bandwagon. You equated that laziness to be a scum tell. You said I disregarded her arguments without giving them any merit (which is a lie). And how are you going to tell me my vote was misplaced when Red was pinging to several others, who had also voted for her? I really have no idea where you're getting this from. Are you pulling scum tells out of a hat, then trying to find a way to assign them to me?

[John E. Kelley]

OMGUS much Des?

 

Very much this.

[Hybrid]

After careful consideration of the lengthy debates so far here on Day 1, I have decided that I shall VOTE Hybrid.

 

Please state your reasons.

 

Agreed.

[John E. Kelley]

I never said Red didn't have a train started, I said Barm didn't have one started. And how in the world was Red L-3? From what I saw the most votes she had was maybe 5, you need 11 to lynch. And starting trains, whether from joke votes, or ping reads, is not a scum tell. Day 1 the best thing you can do is build multiple trains on as many targets as possible to see how everyone reacts to those pressured. And you did say I was being lazy in jumping on Red's bandwagon. You equated that laziness to be a scum tell. You said I disregarded her arguments without giving them any merit (which is a lie). And how are you going to tell me my vote was misplaced when Red was pinging to several others, who had also voted for her? I really have no idea where you're getting this from. Are you pulling scum tells out of a hat, then trying to find a way to assign them to me?

 

A three vote count on page one is very much a train as far as I'm concerned, and I'd hope that the multiple trains would at least be built on some reasoning, not blatant bandwagoning. And skimming is scummy. And jumping on wagons that others have built is scummy. And besides, you say starting wagons isn't a scum tell but you didn't start it, you just jumped right on it. And in a place that is usually reserved for someone trying to hide themselves. In both cases.

[John E. Kelley]

That's weird, I'm pretty sure I added the color thing. Well it's not necessary according to the mod rules, but I'll do it again just in case.

 

Unvote, Vote Ishamael Forsaken.

 

And when all is said and done, OMGUS much Des?

[hazelkrs1]

A three vote count on page one is very much a train as far as I'm concerned,

 

That's where we disagree I guess. I don't find 3 votes to be a train, at least not until after about 3 or 4 days. Nobody should sweat 3 votes on them on day 1.

 

and I'd hope that the multiple trains would at least be built on some reasoning, not blatant bandwagoning.

 

You can hope that, but day 1 there's not a whole lot of concrete evidence. Either way, I wasn't bandwagoning either instance; I hadn't seen Tina's vote yet when I posted my vote on Barm, and I posted a fairly lengthy entry going over why I thought Red was pinging before voting for her. Blatant bandwagoning is jumping on a train without giving any reasons whatsoever. Once again, you're trying to everything you can to manipulate and twist and distort reality to make it appear like I'm making scummy moves.

 

And skimming is scummy.

 

When was I skimming?

 

And jumping on wagons that others have built is scummy.

 

That's def arguable. Jumping on wagons can just mean you were swayed by someone elses case. Either way, I didn't "jump on a wagon". I stated my case and voted, it mattered little to me how many other people had voted for her at that point.

 

And besides, you say starting wagons isn't a scum tell but you didn't start it, you just jumped right on it. And in a place that is usually reserved for someone trying to hide themselves. In both cases.

 

Here's something I'm once again having problems with. In your original post pointing a FOS my way, you were claiming my moves had been way too obvious, and then stated your case. Now I'm attempting to hide. Do you really think I'm the kind of player that tries to hide? Look at how active I've been in this game, even before you started all your shenanigans. Does that look like someone trying to hide? Look at the length of my posts. Not that easy to just pass over without noticing, huh?

 

You know what Ishy? You've pretty much pinged harder than I've ever seen someone ping on day 1, but still continue to try and paint me as scum. You know what? Should you be able to convince everyone to vote for me and lynch me (which I don't find likely, unless everyone playing this game is less observative then I'd believe them to be), once I flip town, guess who they're going to be coming after tomorrow? That's right, you. So by all means keep fabricating lies and deceit about me, my death will still serve some use once you're hanging beside me.

[Blackhoof]

ok, i have done a reread and decided that ishy is the biggest scum suspect (followed by Hybrid. reasons? basically i would just be repeating Des, since i agree with basically al of what he has said. Ishy asked about character reveals, which are the second rule and are never allowed anyway (indicating that he at least skimmed the rules, which is a bit hypocritic at this point) which wasw the main scum tell i got from him.

 

vote ishy

 

and Des, calm down dude. it is just a game, there is no point in getting frustrated at someone for doing what the entire game premise is built on- deceit and trickery

[Red2111]

just a quick post. i'm gonna be scarce today due to RL and likely wont be able to check back until tomorrow.

 

 

note to self, i'm only on page 7

[Amadine]

My vote on Barm was purely because he had 2 votes and everyone else except Red only had one. He's actually not pinging on my scumdar... for a change

 

UNVOTE

 

I'm yet to form an opinion of the Des vs Ishy thing.

[Verbal32]

And jumping on wagons that others have built is scummy. And besides, you say starting wagons isn't a scum tell but you didn't start it, you just jumped right on it. And in a place that is usually reserved for someone trying to hide themselves. In both cases.

 

Italics: What? So if a player makes a great case and votes somebody, nobody else can vote along as well? Per your explanation, they would then be scummy. I hope you see that makes zero sense.

 

Bold: Don't be narrow-minded. Scum will use this type of thought process against you. If I know you'll think #4 on a train is scummy, I'll avoid that spot the whole game (if I was scum).

 

 

All in all, Des is making concentrated posts, while Ishy is shooting from the hip. Miscounting, trying multiple angles, and then the points I mentioned above.

 

Unvote

Vote: Ishy

[ed2funy]

Please state your reasons.

Agreed.

LOL

 

 

 

 

 

It feels like both Ishy and Des are babbling.

 

Des sounds like he actually has reasons, even if it also feels slightly omgus in nature.

Ishy is trying to shoot everything down. Because he thinks he is right, or because he is scum? It feels like the latter.

 

Unvote

Vote Ishy

Now....bed time soon. *sigh*

[keyholder21]

Hm. I think I'll keep my vote on Ishy for now.

[Karasayl]

Please state your reasons.

Agreed.

LOL

 

 

 

 

 

It feels like both Ishy and Des are babbling.

 

Des sounds like he actually has reasons, even if it also feels slightly omgus in nature.

Ishy is trying to shoot everything down. Because he thinks he is right, or because he is scum? It feels like the latter.

 

Unvote

Vote Ishy

Now....bed time soon. *sigh*

 

 

I think we've gotten some good info with the Ishy vs Des banter,but I agree with Ed :)

 

UNVOTE, VOTE ISHY

[Sakaea]

Well, after reading the back-and-forth between Ishy and Des, Ishy seems scummier and scummier to me. So, I am going to UNVOTE AND VOTE ISHY for appearing to rule skim, and just giving off a generaly scummy feeling the longer he argues with Des.

[Kathleen]

I'm going to Vote Ishy but I want to hear if he has anything left to say. The votes are adding up, but he's tried to defend himself already and it isn't really enough for me give all the off logic in his posts.

 

Des, (I think) you said if we lynch you and you flip town people will go after Ishy tomorrow. I hope you know that logic is double sided. If Ishy flips town you'll be the first under the spotlight tomorrow in my eyes.

[Sakaea]

In mine also.

[Nolder]

7 votes in less than 10 hours? yikes

better watch your back ishy