The Creator Answers

[BlckAlchmst]

This is a thought I had.

 

The Creator and the Dark One are both actual beings, one opposite the other.

The Forsaken (Specifically Nae'blis) are the champions for the Dark One, and in return blessed by the Dark One with the True Power (the essence of the Dark One himself).

 

Now The Dragon (Rand) is supposed to be the champion of the Light and the Creator.

So who is to say that the creator hasn't blessed His champion in a similar way that the Dark One did?

Who is to say that the new found power that Rand has in Maradon isn't the Creator's version of the True power?

It blinded (and drove mad) Darkfriends through walls. And the web of light in Rand's mind could be some Creator's blessing as well.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

i believe rand may be the creator's avatar/living embodiment as moridin may be the do's avatar/living embodiment, at least for the duration of TG.

[threadnecromancer]

I would say that the Creator's answer to the True Power is the One Power.

[OptimusPrime]

I would say that the Creator's answer to the True Power is the One Power.

 

That is what I believe. I dont think there are any more channeling forces other than saidin, saidar and the True Power. Fains stuff seems similar, in TGH Rand cut through Fains trap and the description was very much like weaves, but I believe RJ said in an interview that its not the same.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

i think the difference is not in the power, but in the means, and ease, of access.

[Tiinker]

The One Power comes from the True Source, the driving force of creation, the force the Creator made to turn the Wheel of Time.

 

What they said. Although it doesn't seem fair that champions of the light can only access the OP while the Forsaken can access both if you're looking at it like that.

[MauricXe]

One theory I have is that the True Power was the unfiltered One power.

 

I picture the one power as a river that divides into two halves, Saidin and Saidar. Accessing The True Power is akin to accessing the One Power before it divides into the two halves. The "filter", that divides it into two halves, allows humans to use it without the problems associated with the True Power.

 

Ofc, that's probably not true and the True Power is the Dark One or some such popular interpretation.

[Leyrann]

If the TP is the OP before it splits, what if it comes together in a circle? Would the one leading the cirkel gain saa?

I think, if the TP is the DO, then there should also be a power that IS the Creator.

[Generic_Aelfinn_2]

it makes perfect sense that the OP is the counter-part to the TP. the only reason TP is restricted is because it goes with the theme of good vs bad; selflessness vs selfishness; creation vs destruction; etc

[jahnfriederik]

it makes perfect sense that the OP is the counter-part to the TP. the only reason TP is restricted is because it goes with the theme of good vs bad; selflessness vs selfishness; creation vs destruction; etc

qft

[WhiskyJack]

OP is a neutral power. It can be used for any purpose. TP on the other hand..

[Jimvzyl]

In TGS Rand needs the Choedan Kal itself to balance out his desire to draw on the True Power.

Is the True Power really that powerful? Or just that seductive?

I think Rand mentions that the only time he felt so much power was when he cleansed Saidin.

 

If the True Power is meant to be the opposing force of the One Power - then why is it so much more powerful?

 

Not that I'm expecting the 'dues ex machina Light Power' to arrive- but it doesn't really make sense if you analyse the theme of balance between the two powers as associations with the Creator and the DO. For all we know, the OP is much weaker because that's all that was required to set the Pattern in motion before the Creator moved on.

[Hybrid]

In TGS Rand needs the Choedan Kal itself to balance out his desire to draw on the True Power.

Is the True Power really that powerful? Or just that seductive?

The latter, as far as I remember. I believe Moghedien mentions it in her ruminations on the True Power.

 

I think Rand mentions that the only time he felt so much power was when he cleansed Saidin.

I haven't read that particular passage in a while, but I hypothesize that the power probably refers to what he's drawing through the Choedan Kal.

 

If the True Power is meant to be the opposing force of the One Power - then why is it so much more powerful?

I wouldn't go quite as far as to say opposing force. And I'm pretty sure it's never been mentioned as more powerful in and of itself, though it does have its advantages.

[FarShainMael]

OP is a neutral power. It can be used for any purpose. TP on the other hand..

 

When Rand used the TP, he used it to break free of Semi, who was forcing him to strangle Min (more accurately, she was using his hands to do it; Rand's will was not involved). There was a good outcome of his use of the TP: he was free and Min was alive.

[Jemlin]

I think I have seen a few people mention the oddity of there specifically being a showing of "Light" mixed in with the use of power when describing some of the more spectacular feats of Rand, especially "zen Rand."

 

There is also the point that the taint in his brain seems to be surrounded now by a layer of "light".

 

I think there is something, Creator related that is serving as a boost and a semi-counter to the Dark One. For example, although Rand is a strong Ta'veren (speling), that alone doesn't seem to explain to me how rotten apples can start going back to full health rapidly and in front of someone's eyes with an an additional "Light" based boost.

 

We haven't seen much of this explained. I don't think it's some sort of "Channeling" type boost, like the True Power. It wouldn't make sense. Mostly, because the balance seems to come in "differences", not in matching of strengths. Also, because the effects seem to be different. We know the True Power works by destroying things that are created in the pattern, and goes against it (hence a Gateway created by the True Power rips a hole in the fabric of the pattern). This "Light" might be a more "creative" and "additive" boost to things. Hence, assisting the Ta'veren effect and restoring rotten fruit. It would also make sense that people are always attributing light with the Creator...it's about time we see some manifestations of this Light.

[WhiskyJack]

OP is a neutral power. It can be used for any purpose. TP on the other hand..

 

When Rand used the TP, he used it to break free of Semi, who was forcing him to strangle Min (more accurately, she was using his hands to do it; Rand's will was not involved). There was a good outcome of his use of the TP: he was free and Min was alive.

 

That's not what I meant. I was talking about the use of TP and not the consequence.

[WhiskyJack]

When Ishamel saw Rand with Callandor, he fled. Whatever TP could do, we have seen Ishmael losing..so Choden Kal is overkill times 100. May be TP gives you a kind of euphoria that makes you believe you are kind of invincible.

[FossMaNo1]

I think there is something, Creator related that is serving as a boost and a semi-counter to the Dark One. For example, although Rand is a strong Ta'veren (speling), that alone doesn't seem to explain to me how rotten apples can start going back to full health rapidly and in front of someone's eyes with an an additional "Light" based boost.

It's been mentioned several times throughout the series that the Dragon and the land are inexorably tied. As Rand became more and more insane (angry, mad, "hard", rotting in his core) the land followed him. After VoG when Rand became sane again, the land has startd to recover even as Rand himself did.

[Entreri]

TP comes from Shai'tan.

 

OP then would come from the Creator.

 

Rand is wielding saidin, but just old plain saidin, but with an extra dash of spice, er "Light".

[Kahsm]

TP comes from Shai'tan.

 

OP then would come from the Creator.

 

Rand is wielding saidin, but just old plain saidin, but with an extra dash of spice, er "Light".

 

Except there's no evidence the Light effects his channeling. It just protects him from the taint, and likely grants him the DF-stare-down power. The only link is at Maradon when he's channeling saidin like crazy (As Naeff confirms that the weaves are OP) but Rand is visibly glowing from Ituralde's perspective (non channeler). And the DF dude tears his eyes out. I figure this is likely from the glow that's an "amped up" version of the DF-stare-down power.

 

Given that the Light protects him from the insanity and channeling sickness (that the insanity likely caused), it seems reasonable to believe that while he's channeling it's "actively" protecting him, and thus you get the glow. Still no evidence it acts as a built-in angreal, or that Rand has any link to some infinite pool of saidin, or that he's even stronger or better than LTT ever was.

 

And if you're like "Wtf he clearly went all god-like at Maradon" Read this post of mine. And that's also probably a better thread to argue about his OP level in.

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[FarShainMael]

OP is a neutral power. It can be used for any purpose. TP on the other hand..

 

When Rand used the TP, he used it to break free of Semi, who was forcing him to strangle Min (more accurately, she was using his hands to do it; Rand's will was not involved). There was a good outcome of his use of the TP: he was free and Min was alive.

 

That's not what I meant. I was talking about the use of TP and not the consequence.

 

But you did mention 'purpose'. Could you clarify a little?

[Superhal]

So who is to say that the creator hasn't blessed His champion in a similar way that the Dark One did?

 

There's tons of evidence that the Creator, if s/he exists, is not active at all in the world. The weather, for example. When the DO is affecting the weather, it's too hot, too cold, or food rots within minutes. Does that mean the Creator brings mild weather and keeps food fresh? No. If neither existed, the weather would still be average. Another example is Darkfriends. The DO, Forsaken, and others actively recruit followers. Is there a Church of the Light? No. The so-called Light-friends oppose the DO, not support the Creator. If there are bubbles of evil, where's the bubbles of light? Where are the Creator-sponsored versions of the trollocs and myrddral?

 

In example after example, we can see the DO at work but the absolute absence of any response by the Creator.

[FarShainMael]

All of these effects are enabled by the madness of the Light's champion, the Dragon, the 'Fisher King'. We've already seen something of the effects that the healed Dragon is having on the land (sunlight breaking through the cloud, orchards reviving, soup tasting good). He is the Creator's agent. We haven't seen any more 'bubbles of evil' either.

[Never]

TP comes from Shai'tan.

 

OP then would come from the Creator.

 

 

A = B, therefore C must be D? I have problems following this reasoning. You treat these two sentences like a tautology, when afaik you cannot establish a credible connection.

[WhiskyJack]

OP is a neutral power. It can be used for any purpose. TP on the other hand..

 

When Rand used the TP, he used it to break free of Semi, who was forcing him to strangle Min (more accurately, she was using his hands to do it; Rand's will was not involved). There was a good outcome of his use of the TP: he was free and Min was alive.

 

That's not what I meant. I was talking about the use of TP and not the consequence.

 

But you did mention 'purpose'. Could you clarify a little?

 

Well Rand created a weave to destroy the collar. TP was used for destruction. Even when TP is used for creation, what comes out is...