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  1. http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/62621-the-dark-prophecy/ Luckers posted this on the general discussion board. Very interesting stuff.
  2. Just regarding, 'What hand shelters, what hand slays' - isn't that precisely what Rand asks himself at the end of TGS regarding his stump? Which hand had he lost? Turns out it was the hand that saves which remains. Seems too vague a reference for Cadsuance and still relates to the final few books rather than TGH. I really like the way this wraps things up though.
  3. I would think that Arvalon would most likely be a language development, as people gradually drop the 'T' from the name of the city and join the two words. Taralan is less related in language (including only the 'Tar') and I would think it is a different city, perhaps from a different period. If they are of the same city - One could propose a degeneration of language (Tar Valon - Taralan) as speech becomes less eloquent. (Evidenced by the Old Tongue -> Common) and a renaissance occuring later, with the original name being brought back, whilst dropping the T to become Arvalon. What I do find interesting is the relation between "T" and "A" as in Tamyrlin and Amyrlin. Is this a degeneration of language from AoL to 3rd Age? Or is it a gender difference between the leading men and women of Aes Sedai? If its a gender difference, one could predict that the two cities are of opposing orders of male channelers and female channelers (Male in Tamalan and Female in Arvalon) Just some thoughts :)
  4. These two statements don't see eye to eye for me. It's difficult to understand what 'ripe for the Shadow's plucking' means in the top quote. Does it mean she was inherently predisposed to the DO because of her resentment, anger and hate? Or does it mean that she was vulnerable to the touch of the DO because she was resentful and sulky? Lets analyse. Note, he's talking about Lanfear being twisted by the DO prior to the bore being drilled, as in - against her will. Most arguments we see never state that she was coerced into joining the DO. She did so freely. I'm just arguing that as below states Is it beyond the realm of though to believe that the DO's touch subtely altered Lanfears resentment towards jealousy and hate? I don't see why not. So again, I'm not sure if it is canon- but there are factors here that allow for one to argue through RJ's quote.
  5. All the Lord of Chaos theories have merit simply because the term is too vague to pin it on anything specific. 'Let the Lord of Chaos Rule' could refer to Rand, and as Shaidar Haran said, 'If Sammael served Chaos all was good, If not...' It can look very much like the Forsaken are deliberately making it difficult for Rand to rule, and trusting that Rand will lose his humanity through his lack of leadership experience and anger/frustration at how nothing he does ever seems to work according to how he wants. Arad Doman, the Seanchan, the Shaido, Masema's following, Aes Sedai, - all of these groups were influenced by the Forsaken and led to Darth Rand which is what the DO wanted. Now counter to that- Rand doesnt have to be the 'Lord of Chaos' for any of the above to apply anyway. Even if it just meant serving chaos itself, it would still lead Rand to where he went.
  6. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wheeloftime/Chapter%204.htm My apologies, as I doubt the above is canon, but if you will entertain my thoughts- RJ's statement that Mieren was "ripe for the plucking" cannot be considered as proof of her already being evil or predisposed towards becoming evil prior to the drilling of the bore, but rather that her emotional state and resentment towards her lack of recognition (by either LTT or those who would don her with a new name) allowed the subtle influence of the DO (that was spreading through the world in general) to take hold and accentuate those attributes and turn them towards hatred. I can't recall the precise situation but one of the Forsaken mocks Lanfear, can't be accurate here, but he mentions that she came whenever LTT crooked his finger and left pouting and sulking whenever he sent her away. Lanfear responds by saying Rand is not LTT, merely LTT reborn. This would have obviously been prior to her going over to the Forsaken. (I know its mockery, and perhaps false, but true mockery is usually true. The truth hurts :)) So from an AoL perspective. We see an ambitious, resentful, sulky scholar. Hardly crimes in themselves, and probably wouldn't have ever manifested into something else. The touch of the DO influenced many many people turning them towards violence, selfish acts, torture, rebellion and anarchy. I don't want to defend Lanfear with her saying, 'The DO made me do it' but i though the passage was interesting enough to bring into discussion.
  7. On my first read-through I accidentally read 'The Dragon Reborn' before 'The Great Hunt' and didn't understand anything. No jokes- I had no idea what was going on.
  8. HoTH are not an unstoppable force. Check TGH and notice how the sway of battle was reflected by the fight between Ishamael and Rand.
  9. In TGS Rand needs the Choedan Kal itself to balance out his desire to draw on the True Power. Is the True Power really that powerful? Or just that seductive? I think Rand mentions that the only time he felt so much power was when he cleansed Saidin. If the True Power is meant to be the opposing force of the One Power - then why is it so much more powerful? Not that I'm expecting the 'dues ex machina Light Power' to arrive- but it doesn't really make sense if you analyse the theme of balance between the two powers as associations with the Creator and the DO. For all we know, the OP is much weaker because that's all that was required to set the Pattern in motion before the Creator moved on.
  10. Mandos, moved to pity by Luthiens song, raised both Beren (who had died after the hunt for Carcaroth) and Luthien (who died from grief) from the dead. Beren is not of elven blood. Yes- immortality is beyond the reach of mortals and yes they do die quicker in the Blessed Lands, but some things are in the power of the Valar to give. What you infer- is that in no way could Mandos raise Beren from the dead, as death is the gift of Eru. Yet he does. We just don't know what happened to the Ringbearers. If it stated that 'the peace of the Blessed Realm was granted to the Ringbearers and the withering of mortality held at bay for them alone so they could live to their appointed years in peace', I would not consider it out of context or unreasonable- which means, atleast to me, it is plausible. I mean, its hardly different to granting the people of Numenor vast lifespans? I always actually wondered what happened to Gimli. He went to Valinor with Legolas eventually, but dwarves are an oddity. Anyway, this is all very immaterial, as they didn't die in the book - therefore LotR was marred by the following deaths Theoden Boromir Saruman, Gollum, the Witch King, Denethor are antagonist characters and can't be used for comparison. In that regard, WoT has much more death because Sammael, Rahvin, Bel'al, Balthamal, Aginor have all died, along with many *named darkfriends and people like Verin. (I say named so we can't start talking about soldier deaths or the deaths of random orcs etc) Boromir is already given a reciprocal in Ingtar - both dying for redemption (Verin too) Theoden as a kindly king has no real reciprocal in WoT that I can see, maybe Darlin. Maybe he'll die Eomer does not die in LotR, despite Peter Jackson :)
  11. But reading the 13th Depository, we can see the subversion, murders and atrocities committed by black sisters prior to the current setting. Unless I'm mistaken and such actions occured only (mostly) when Ishamael was on the prowl? I know theres reference to the BA murdering an Amyrlin and Ishamael murdered the Head of the Black Ajah because of it? - That doesn't seem like 'dabbling in the dark arts' naughtiness. Sorry if I'm confusing, I may definately be mistaken here.
  12. Darkfriends in Rand's time, what with the influence of the DO being what it is, seems plausible, but- let's say that 1000 years ago a sister swore herself to the Black Ajah. Is she really hoping for eternal life? Don't see it happening. The deeds are not there to be done, the service required for the promise of eternal life just isn't around. If someone went in Hawkwings time to Shayol Ghul- would they be able to communicate with the DO? Assuming the seals were strong? Could the DO really have promised anyone anything during these times? Would DF's not realise in 3000 years that none of them were 'living forever'? Seems like the novelty would wear thin. I'm chalking off Darkfriend faith as similar to the faith in the Creator. Present without convincing reason.
  13. Yes, but you must remember that extremists like those in the Red Ajah don't trust any men, refusing even to take warders. This stems from society's general fear of the potential of men to be male channelers and the blame they received for being a part of the sex that broke the world.
  14. I see mention of Rand not seeing many signs (or missing signs - "so called aiel) that Taim is a DF. Is it too crazy to assume that, aside from the Voice inside his head wanting to kill men who could channel, after he cleansed saidin, if Rand didn't believe that Taim was a DF- merely ambitious, then what he's done has been fine, and his fear of the voice and lack of need to go to the BT is normal. The development of Dark Rand is where contact with Taim starts deteriorating. At this point, Rand has given up all hope of surviving the last battle. He just wants to get harder. Yes Taim sent people to kill him, and yes Logain warned him. That is not indicative of a DF though. Taim's jealousy, ambition, fear of the true Dragon, his desire to BE the Dragon could all point to this. Besides, Taim IS a good leader and he IS resilient to Aes Sedai. After Rand gives up caring about what he leaves behind after he dies, Taim actually looks like a really good candidate to lead male channelers post-TG. I mean, what jealousy could the man have for a dead saviour when he could lead after? Taim has given Rand reason to believe that he's not a DF too. Rescue at Dumai's Wells, attacking the grey man. Maybe Rand just thinks that Taim's ambition has outgrown his station when the Ashaman try to kill him at Far Madding. Zen-Rand however, is now ready to confront the BT. But notice how he's not all like, 'We need to kill Taim, the DF'. He says we need to remind the Ashaman that they are men. He could still be suffering under the delusion that Taim is just a malicious, ambitious and conniving manipulator, rather than a true DF. We as readers know too much, and it's easy to see characters as stupid in comparison.
  15. Thats why we see Moridin play Sharah (sp) There are certain prerequisites that are required if the DO is to be freed. Killing the Dragon is not enough, nor is turning him to the shadow. At VoG Rand had no intentions of being turned to the shadow, but was growing dark and evil, and yet still opposed to the Shadow. He almost destroyed the Pattern. If Rand died or went over to the DO, the Pattern would shift course to prevent the DO from being freed. Yes, humanity may be all but obliterated, but the Pattern would remain. You need to control the Fisher behind your enemy's goal row. Rand had to serve the purpose of the DO whilst not directly in control of the DO or the Pattern would have stopped him. Hence RJ's quote that the alternative lives, 'I have won again Lews Therin' actually end in a draw. (i think thats what the quote was about) This is why there is always a shifting of 'kill Rand', 'protect Rand' - especially when it becomes apparent to the Shadow that Rand is accomplishing (kill him to force a draw) or when he is failing (Let the Lord of Chaos rule) But thats just my thoughts.
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