[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

[Sedai]

I'm assuming that the mafia killed the cult leader and all the followers died with them. The reason being that tonight was te only night with two kills.

 

Now why would the mafia want to kill Tina? Hmmm I don't know.

 

I'm in NYC for about a week. Won't be posting much until late night for me

[Graendals favourite]

I gather, by what I read, the other option would have been that the cult tried to convert a mafia member, but that does not seem to fit, since no one else died. The mafia must be trying to avoid traces.

[Niniel]

Nooooooo...

[berf]

Well, bum.

 

Keep watching the skiis!

 

 

 

Oh. Skies. Sorry Mr Nemoy...

[Charis alAslan]

Charis

 

 

 

I'm in NYC for about a week. Won't be posting much until late night for me

 

Oh Jack, you're in my city this wk. Wanna meet the one you're voting for in person?

 

Well, I'll be damned. Zoot and Dingo - I dont even remember those two characters. But, I suppose with the amount of people, even a coconut could be a character here.

 

Anyway, I'm confused as to this NK, unless it's as Jack says - when the cult leader dies, the whole cult dies? Is that true?

[Krakalakachkn]

PAFO

 

 

 

Also, I'm going to be on an LOA from the 5-7, so day won't end until sometime on the 8th. See you guys then.

[WWWwombat]

From my analysis of Moon's posting, I have concluded that Min and Lia are scum.

 

Vote: Min

[Sakaea]

Awesome, 2 cult down!

 

Ok, so we have 4 days to find scum to lynch. Wombat, which post of Moon's are you referring to?

[Minuet]

From my analysis of Moon's posting, I have concluded that Min and Lia are scum.

 

Vote: Min

 

Don't have a clue about Lia, but you are wrong about me.

 

Charis how can you not remember Castle Anthrax? Zoot, naughty Zoot who light the Grail Beacon. Then her twin sister Dingo. That is who they are. I remember the scene cause they were originally going to have the girls nude instead of the sheer fabric in the room where they are bathing. Not to mention it is one of my boys favorite part of the movie. Yes, he is a perv.

 

Check castle to make sure it isn't sinking into the swamp again.

 

 

 

 

 

[Charis alAslan]

Oooh! I was thinking these were BOYS' names, that's why I got lost. Got it. Yea, that's definitely a perv scene, lols.

[Sedai]

Awesome, 2 cult down!

 

Ok, so we have 4 days to find scum to lynch. Wombat, which post of Moon's are you referring to?

 

Umm what do you mean

[Graendals favourite]

The cult thing does make me wary in that unless someone converted received a new name upon conversion, it would seem Zoot and Dingo were cult from the start. Perhaps not all cult are dead, since otherwise they would have managed to recruit no one. Is the cult leader necessary for conversion? It seems unlikely that on the same night the cult tried to recruit a mafia and the mafia killed a cult member, both.

[Liathiana]

Okay so I'm going to try and do this quick! I do find it interesting that I've only posted once and Wombat already finds me scummy. Not only that but he finds me scummy after I share that my top 3 suspects are Red, Christine and Tiinker. Red went after Min earlier in the game, could be he's working with her? Or he's being controlled today, just as Min was yesterday. Not to mention yesterday he voted Red for some of what I explain below, and then today focuses on me? and I'm not sure what to believe of him when a few posts later he changes his vote just because two people responded in a way he somehow found fishy.

 

Actually this game is really confusing me, I feel like I should take a second reread >.<

 

Red: Talks a whole lot. Huge posts. People say that she does this as town and Mafia but that's just another way to meta-game and imply that she is Town despite the fact that she posts huge posts designs to distract, lead the town and implicate other players with shaky reasoning. She likes to post quotes to prove her theories, but leaves out the posts that would show them to be shaky. She also likes to say that she doesn't want to go back and forth with Jack and yet without fail, she responds to every post concerning the mess. This sets off warning signals for me, but I have no idea how well my scumdar works. It's been awhile. She also likes to say things like "if I was scum" and "I'm not on a team with x". Sorry but those do nothing to convince me. You're experienced and should know better than to try and use those. Also, her PR seems to me like a good balance you would give a super-powered Mafia. Say like Wombat (?) mentioned earlier, with the unlynchable Mafia OR Godfather who shows up innocent if viewed at night. Which means you can be super confident that being loud and aggressive won't lose you anything because the finder will see you as innocent and won't think to check twice. Having just reached her role-claim, I don't see how a vanilla character, or Dennis the Digger, would need an PR like she's had. It's obvious she's required to use it in every post...why? Also why are you so defensive and emotional? Throwing out things like people have their "panties in a twist" doesn't do any favors for you. I find it pretty rude. And as you tell one player, I'll eat my words all I want if you flip vanilla innocent because by your play you made yourself seem scummy, not my fault. Of course I'm not sure about all this, I never am in a game because people always have a good way with words and with playing things to make you unsure. I can only do the best I can and hope it's right.

 

Christine: I don't remember. Hmm...beginning day quote nonsese, mentioned being turned into a newt by a witch as a joke. Newting is later used as a try to legitimized a fake silence. She also finds Jack scummy for wanting to get to night on Day 1 even though she finds his reasoning appropriate. She GF and Charis jump on it. She also likes to talk about how she doesnt understand a lot of terms, constantly asking for explanations and then says that she used to play and came back. Likes to switch around people's words and use them as reasons to vote. I also don't like how some of her posts "I hate random lynches!" come off as LOOK AT ME I"M TOWN. Calls out Jack for distracting the town but not Red.

 

Tiinker: Jumps on votes late with little to no reason. Little to no contribution to the game, lying low and not doing much of agreeing or disagreeing with anyone so it wont' come back as evidence later. Pressuring Jack because he didn't hammer himself seems pretty scummy to me but re: my views on hammering oneself (I.E> never gonna happen with me)

 

I'm back and forth on Charis, BG, Jack and Wombat.

 

Gf seems pretty suspicious for reasons Jack pointed out.

 

Also, how many scum do y'all think there are? It looks likely to me that there are 6 + the Symp. I'm also not discounting the fact it could be 5 + 2 Symps, nothing saying there isn't more than one and the second could be scotsfree since everyone assumes that it was just Moon.

 

Haven't seen Leelou in awhile?

 

4th of July tonight so I can't get back till tomorrow. I will try to do a more in depth casing with quotes and such then, just didn't want to leave people hanging and think that I was never going to explain myself. A reread would do me good as well, maybe work out some of the confusing kinks. To Do: Analization of Lynches or lack thereof, voting patterns and Christine's posts.

[bgrishinko]

Okay so I'm going to try and do this quick! I do find it interesting that I've only posted once and Wombat already finds me scummy. Not only that but he finds me scummy after I share that my top 3 suspects are Red, Christine and Tiinker. Red went after Min earlier in the game, could be he's working with her? Or he's being controlled today, just as Min was yesterday. Not to mention yesterday he voted Red for some of what I explain below, and then today focuses on me? and I'm not sure what to believe of him when a few posts later he changes his vote just because two people responded in a way he somehow found fishy.

 

Actually this game is really confusing me, I feel like I should take a second reread >.<

 

Red: Talks a whole lot. Huge posts. People say that she does this as town and Mafia but that's just another way to meta-game and imply that she is Town despite the fact that she posts huge posts designs to distract, lead the town and implicate other players with shaky reasoning. She likes to post quotes to prove her theories, but leaves out the posts that would show them to be shaky. She also likes to say that she doesn't want to go back and forth with Jack and yet without fail, she responds to every post concerning the mess. This sets off warning signals for me, but I have no idea how well my scumdar works. It's been awhile. She also likes to say things like "if I was scum" and "I'm not on a team with x". Sorry but those do nothing to convince me. You're experienced and should know better than to try and use those. Also, her PR seems to me like a good balance you would give a super-powered Mafia. Say like Wombat (?) mentioned earlier, with the unlynchable Mafia OR Godfather who shows up innocent if viewed at night. Which means you can be super confident that being loud and aggressive won't lose you anything because the finder will see you as innocent and won't think to check twice. Having just reached her role-claim, I don't see how a vanilla character, or Dennis the Digger, would need an PR like she's had. It's obvious she's required to use it in every post...why? Also why are you so defensive and emotional? Throwing out things like people have their "panties in a twist" doesn't do any favors for you. I find it pretty rude. And as you tell one player, I'll eat my words all I want if you flip vanilla innocent because by your play you made yourself seem scummy, not my fault. Of course I'm not sure about all this, I never am in a game because people always have a good way with words and with playing things to make you unsure. I can only do the best I can and hope it's right.

 

Christine: I don't remember. Hmm...beginning day quote nonsese, mentioned being turned into a newt by a witch as a joke. Newting is later used as a try to legitimized a fake silence. She also finds Jack scummy for wanting to get to night on Day 1 even though she finds his reasoning appropriate. She GF and Charis jump on it. She also likes to talk about how she doesnt understand a lot of terms, constantly asking for explanations and then says that she used to play and came back. Likes to switch around people's words and use them as reasons to vote. I also don't like how some of her posts "I hate random lynches!" come off as LOOK AT ME I"M TOWN. Calls out Jack for distracting the town but not Red.

 

Tiinker: Jumps on votes late with little to no reason. Little to no contribution to the game, lying low and not doing much of agreeing or disagreeing with anyone so it wont' come back as evidence later. Pressuring Jack because he didn't hammer himself seems pretty scummy to me but re: my views on hammering oneself (I.E> never gonna happen with me)

 

I'm back and forth on Charis, BG, Jack and Wombat.

 

Gf seems pretty suspicious for reasons Jack pointed out.

 

Also, how many scum do y'all think there are? It looks likely to me that there are 6 + the Symp. I'm also not discounting the fact it could be 5 + 2 Symps, nothing saying there isn't more than one and the second could be scotsfree since everyone assumes that it was just Moon.

 

Haven't seen Leelou in awhile?

 

4th of July tonight so I can't get back till tomorrow. I will try to do a more in depth casing with quotes and such then, just didn't want to leave people hanging and think that I was never going to explain myself. A reread would do me good as well, maybe work out some of the confusing kinks. To Do: Analization of Lynches or lack thereof, voting patterns and Christine's posts.

 

 

 

(Ah, dern it. I can't use this image extension .gif (click on through!))

 

http://mlkshk.com/r/1M8

I just needed an excuse to use this(via link)... and as this is your first major post of the game coming in late, I think you've managed to put a lot of effort into your re-read.

 

That being said, I don't 100% agree with everything you've said. Your breakdown of Red is interesting and makes sense to me. I'm not really sure what to make of Berf's earlier casing of Red as he was a cultist, but it is still probably authentic since Cult isn't mafia or town really. The problem with the meta gaming argument is that, unfortunately it is true. I like to think of it as advice to look through the walls of text rather than thinking the walls of text themselves are scummy. It will be easier for people to judge whether Red is scum if they know how to look past the walls at what Red is really trying to accomplish. In any case, as this is my best lead right now from previous days: Vote Red

 

Your Christine argument is interesting, I hadn't noticed the newting connection before, but think that would probably be more of a coincidence since Moon was Symp and nobody else has been Newted officially. I think it is safe to say the Moon probably made it up. That being said, I think there have been better arguments in the past than what you post here. Someone to keep an eye on for now.

 

Tiinker as a late vote jumper. This could fly either way. Good scum strategy, or good town play style to be able to sit back and analyze without scum coming out and targeting you as well. A lot of people seemed to pressure Jack for not self voting, including our dearly departed Csarmi who was undeniably town via coroner report.

 

So, anyway.

 

I've gone back and looked at pretty much all of Moon's posts, without referencing anything anyone else stated to cloud my judgement, results to follow.

[bgrishinko]

Moon breakdown... not every post referenced. I ignored other's reaction as I want to figure out my own first.

 

 

AJ, I think you might actually be on to something with Min.

Unvote Vote Minuet

 

Bandwagon's Min. It is Day 1, so who knows what this means.

 

 

AJ to be honest, part of the reason of my vote vs Min is this:

Brave, brave Sir Robin road forth from Camelot....

that line stuck the "Brave sir Robin" songs in my head for hours. If anyone is scum, it's Sir Robin's minstrels. For all I know, she is Sir Robin. But, her mentioning that song.

BAH.

 

Scummy song stuck in my head.

 

Pretty dumb Min vote reasoning, in my humble opinion. Again, could still be Day 1 randomness, but by this point... maybe not.

 

 

Fos Vie.

 

Burning people regardless of witchery or not? Bah.

 

Again. Randomly odd FoS. Vie was town.

 

 

 

Blackhoof does act suspicious, sirs.

 

Well, town lynched Blackhoof, so not much we can blame on her here except that there was not reason for her vote.

 

 

WOah- I spend a day off of Mafia and come back to a LOT...

 

UNVOTE

Vote Blackhoof

 

I realise this might sound like a bandwagon, or a response to a previous vote against myself.

I actually think Trench is making a good case for Blackhoof.

He pointed out his long history of suspicious acting.

 

 

First important thing I think I've seen Moon say:

Defends Trench's reasoning, but again, a large chunk of us voted Black and she could have defended anyone's reasonings. The question is would she defend a mafia or a normal townie with the name drop? It was her job to protect mafia, so to defend Trench here puts mafia Trench in a good light for the Blackhoof lynch. But wait, Moon would know that Black would flip Town and that she was already getting the stink eye from many people. Would she choose to defend a mafia friend when her own coroner report later would cast doubt on that very person and point fingers at Trench?

 

Depends. If Trench is mafia, then Moon wasn't thinking too hard about what she was posting... which seems possible given her earlier words and actions. If Trench is Town then Moon could have been trying to lay false lynch seeds for after her death for us to follow. Tricky.

I don't know what it means, but I'll have to keep an eye out here too.

 

 

 

What Charis Said:

I am not rushing to Night One because I for one am afraid of what the scum will do in the Night. Clearly, you are not. Therefore your actions wreak of scum. You, too, are trying hard to point a FoS on me when it should be on you. Perhaps you and Red are on the same team?

Jack's response

@ Charis, you should know what the mafia is going to do. They're going to kill a player. If there is a SK they are going to kill a player, if there is a trigger happy vig then they are going to kill a player. Possibly multiple people will get NK. That's nothing new. Your overly trying to sound townie. That is a major scum tell to me

 

Jack, I'm confused by your statement here.

We know Mafia will kill people in the night, as will Vigs or SKs if there are any. We know that Night Actions can be deadly.

Your statements as such are kinda jerky. Charis knows that nks are part of the game, she is just afraid that Mafia scum are gonna target her for Night One because she's been working a case against you and Red.

Of course, now that i've said that, you and Red won't NK Charis, because it would put a stronger FOS at you.

Scum.

I'd change my vote, but I still strongly think Hoofy is Scum.

 

I suppose this is where the Jack posting starts pulling out more scummy behavior from Moon. While this is defending Charis in practice, it sounds like to me less of a defense of Charis and more of an attack of Jack using Charis's words as a springboard. That makes sense if Jack is town, which I'm inclined to believe at this point. Jack got pretty worked up about this (and subsequent stuff) and has been able to leverage this against his other reasons that Charis is scum. I don't really want to get into this part of the debate since Jack will probably be able to explain his better his full case against Charis aside from this Moon post, which I'd like to see laid out. Without re-reading what everyone else said about this stuff, My conclusion is I don't see this as a defense of Charis, but an attack on Jack. That's just my opinion and I could be wrong. Moon could be totally defending Charis.

 

 

Other than my claim of silence, I honestly don't see what it is you guys think is scummy about my actions. I'm not scum.

 

I believe I've stated my case on all of the points I've seen posted.

I stated the WIFOM stuff to Jack because I thought he was being a jerk, trying to tell us in an advanced game how to play. Guess what? We know it is an advanced game, most of us are experienced, Silent Jack. You trying to teach and educate us is kinda scummy.

 

If anyone were to be mafia, I think the "oppressed masses" representative would much more be likely to be mafia than a servant of the Knights. VOTE RED

 

I'm just sayin.

 

And Charis, really, you admit you're going to bandwagon today? Seriously?

That sounds kinda scummy too.

 

My jumping on Jack as a defense for Charis was out of exasperation of Jack being jerky than working with/being teamed up with anyone. `

 

We get a bunch of posts where Moon keeps calling Jack a jerk. Still attacking Jack pretty hard. Still no outright defense of Charis. In fact, Moon seems to FoS Charis for some random reason as we have seen done back in the earlier posts against Vie and Black and Min.

There isn't much more than this that I noticed. If someone else sees something in Moon's posts I missed or you don't agree with me, please point it out! Of course there is this vote for Red here... that makes me wonder about my own vote a little. We shall see what the day holds.

 

@Jack, I'd be interested if you could put together your case against Charis w/o the Moon defense for us so we can see what else we have to go on. I'd look over Charis's posts too, but no time right now.

[Sedai]

@BG I can't really look over the posts like I said I'm on vacation, and my cell phone but I'll pull out what I can from memory.

 

1. Red and Myself were having a back and forth and then Charos jumped in without anyone mentioning her saying "Jack likes to distract, he caused distraction by arguing with me."

 

2. The whole, "I'm scared of night" post just reeked of someone trying to sound overly town.

 

3. Argued over the confusion I was causing yet continued to add fuel to the fire.

 

Those are three solid reasons I have. Another reason backing me, even though you asked what my case was besides the point was Moon's coroner report. Besides if Charis is scum, I think Red may be also. The reason being is when Red and I were having the back and forth, Charos swooped in out of nowhere and tried to make things about her and myself instead of Red and myself.

[Tiinker]

Sorry guys, internets been sucking.. Guest Wifi at this place has shut down for the summer or something and only way to get access is to register and wait a couple of days for your account to be created, but it should be working on the 8th again!

 

@Lia I've been out and about but trying to keep track, just last week and a half has been pretty hectic. As for the votes I voted whenever it seemed like the best time. I gave people chances to defend their position or I voted for them at the start of the Day when I'm confident about it.

[bgrishinko]

Alright, those are fair arguments for Charis. Interesting that you think that Red may be scum if Charis is. Red would FoS you for linking players. I still think the case for Red is a little better at this point and would give us good info about Charis too.

[trench]

I think Lia makes good points about Red but I think she may be using Red's play style against her in order to make Red seem scummy. A PR that switches Characters every day, im not sure I can buy that, but Red has been characters that I would have been sure were Mafia. I dont think she would have willingly made herself out to be the Black Knight unless she was forced to, so I do buy her PR. Lia and BG are using her play style and walls of text to condemn her, it just seems to easy to me. So I am looking at both of you now Lia and BG.

 

The Charis lynch is another lynch that seems obvious on the surface but I also don't really buy it, I would be willing to vote her if the group wants to go this way later in the day. I can see Jacks points about her but I just don't get a scum feel from her at this point.

 

Wombat's Vote of Min and FOS of Lia are seriously suspect in my eyes. Min has acquitted herself and there is no good evidence against her. And how can anyone have had any idea about Lia at that point anyway, she had not yet even posted anything other then to say I am here and reading the thread, reading the thread is not scum behavior. His post screamed scum to me. So for now Vote Wombat

[Graendals favourite]

Oh, I really need to complete my read, sorry I am slow on it to take in details, and I really need to read it again. This is very complicated, now there's new info, but can't make head to toe yet. But we must choose. Vote Wombat. He did seem suspicious from the start. Mafia would vote each other in the beginning.

[Graendals favourite]

Vote Wombat, admitted the first word.

[Red2111]

*Red looks down from her castle and speaks with an atroucious french accent* Who iz dat? Dis is the castle of a master loui de lumbar!

 

 

about the NK. seeing as it's Day 3, if all the recruits died with the Cult Leaders death, shouldn't we have 3 deaths; or 4 if berf was originally part of the cult. i see that Jack is stickign witht he style of trying to focus on the Nk's and background stuff during the day. we do need to focus on this, but we should leave it until night when our focus isn't finding a scum to lynch.

 

 

Alright, those are fair arguments for Charis. Interesting that you think that Red may be scum if Charis is. Red would FoS you for linking players. I still think the case for Red is a little better at this point and would give us good info about Charis too.

 

yes i most certiantly would FoS her for linking players. scum love to link themselves with townies. so when i flip town this shoudln't clear Charis. just like if Charis were to flip scum it shouldn't clear or implicate me.

 

linking players is bad, i can't explain that enough

 

 

 

I think Lia makes good points about Red but I think she may be using Red's play style against her in order to make Red seem scummy. A PR that switches Characters every day, im not sure I can buy that, but Red has been characters that I would have been sure were Mafia. I dont think she would have willingly made herself out to be the Black Knight unless she was forced to, so I do buy her PR. Lia and BG are using her play style and walls of text to condemn her, it just seems to easy to me. So I am looking at both of you now Lia and BG.

 

^^ this is basiclaly what i have to say in response to Lia's meta case on me. not to mention she's trying to use the fact that i might or might not have a PR as also a way of painting me as scum. so the only thing that she really has as far as a case is a supposed PR & my play style. which isn't much and is weak considering the amount of stuff i've said.

 

 

 

also, i'd like to note that no one has claimed to have been silenced Day 3, so FoS at both Womby & Jack. also, everyone seems to have overlooked GF's slip up of using the title "newting" for someone being silenced. seeing that their symp was the pne pushing the idea, i could see the scum thinking "hey this is a good way to help set up a townie and myself" so major FoS at GF for this.

 

 

also, i find it interesting that Lia is jumping to Womby's defense for his vote, saying he might have been "controlled" to vote that way. womby's playing style has been fishy, but then again i always find him fishy no matter his alignment.

 

also, we shouldn't forget Sakaea's "defense" of me or Min's total 180 as well.

[keyholder21]

Sorry guys - USA Independence Day holiday was this weekend and we had family come into town. Didn't have as much internet time as I thought I would.

 

 

Anyway, just did a quick read through of my last 10 pages or so (I think I have mine on 40 or 50 posts per page). These two posts stuck out the most:

 

 

Wow really? I have never played an Advance game, so I was simply asking if it was possible for there to be two silences? What if there is two mafias? Can't they both get a silence? I was not defending her at all, as I have pointed out numerous times that I think she is scummy. I was questioning the possibility of whether or not she still could have been silenced.

 

That being said, who is to say Wombat really was silenced? Moon could log on lter and say she was silenced. Then so could some of the other players. We can't really know who was silenced for certain.

 

Now, I am not saying I don't think Wombat was silenced. I see no reason for him to silence himself, unless he wants to put up the radar on AJ and Red, but radars were already up on them without him being silenced.

 

How convenient that that's exactly what happened – Moon logged on later and said she was silenced.

 

Also:

 

I think I'm going to vote moon again, for now. I'm not satisfied with her answers to what was posed to her on the day she was silenced. Also, I think 2 silencers in one game is highly unlikely and of the two, I believe Wombat more.

 

Vote Moon

 

But I'm keeping an eye on you Red.

 

I agree, doubt there are two silences but being turned into a newt isn't exactly silencing. It may stop you from posting but it might stop you from sending in NA's etc. I don't think a pm would say "You've been turned into a newt and are silenced" instead of saying "You have been silenced".. Just doesn't seem to work to me.

 

99% sure Red has a PR. It seems to have become less and less enthusiastic throughout the game. I can only assume she's getting a bit annoyed with it herself :P

 

I'm with berf on most of his points except the one where he says that the heat on Jack wouldn't have died down. Other than that I think he's got it.

 

Vote Red

 

Stating that being turned into a newt isn't really silencing? Sounds like you were trying to stick up for moon. Then you say "doesn't seem to work for you" but then you vote for Red. Lol, I'm confused.

 

 

I'm going to vote Christine for now - I think you've been scummyish all game. I know you said you're new and I've been trying to give you a break for that, but there is a lot to try and overlook.

 

Still watching you GF - ANOTHER quick vote after someone else with not much reasoning. I can't tell if it's your playstyle, but I find you highly suspicious.

[Sedai]

@Red I haven't fully finished your post. Just wanted to say linking players isn't bad if there is evidence to do so. Like

moon and Charis. I linked them because of an action. Moon flipped symp and makes me think Charis is scum. Charis interjected our argument to take heat from you so I connected you two. It gives us places to look

[Sedai]

Umm Red I pointed out GF's slip