[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

[Alanna]

He was likely silenced, which explains his deleted posts. If he posted before getting a PM informing him he was supposed to be silenced.

[Minuet]

I can't quote a PM, but I was forced to vote for Red. I thought people understood restrictions in games. Yes, I voted for her on day one of my own free will. However, day two I had to. So, if you believe me or not fine.

 

*Goes back to castle and hopes it doesn't fall into the swamp again.*

[dapianoplay3r]

So i have spent the last hour going through Charis' posts one at a time to make a case and all I have to show for it is ive convinced myself that she isnt as scummy as I thought. Im kind of mad. Ill go back and try again with moon

Wish me luck!

[dapianoplay3r]

  On 6/27/2011 at 3:10 AM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

First of all, I apologize for Silence, but I was turned into a newt.I got better. Next, I want to comment about my last post. I quoted Charis and Jack:.

  On 6/17/2011 at 1:41 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

What Charis Said:

  On 6/17/2011 at 12:34 PM, Charis alAslan said:

I am not rushing to Night One because I for one am afraid of what the scum will do in the Night. Clearly, you are not. Therefore your actions wreak of scum. You, too, are trying hard to point a FoS on me when it should be on you. Perhaps you and Red are on the same team?

Jack's response

  On 6/17/2011 at 12:56 PM, Jack_D said:

@ Charis, you should know what the mafia is going to do. They're going to kill a player. If there is a SK they are going to kill a player, if there is a trigger happy vig then they are going to kill a player. Possibly multiple people will get NK. That's nothing new. Your overly trying to sound townie. That is a major scum tell to me

Jack, I'm confused by your statement here. We know Mafia will kill people in the night, as will Vigs or SKs if there are any. We know that Night Actions can be deadly.Your statements as such are kinda jerky. Charis knows that nks are part of the game, she is just afraid that Mafia scum are gonna target her for Night One because she's been working a case against you and Red. Of course, now that i've said that, you and Red won't NK Charis, because it would put a stronger FOS at you. Scum. I'd change my vote, but I still strongly think Hoofy is Scum.

I think I had the case against me for calling Jack a Jerk. Because he was. He was trying to be a smart alec about the game, to Charis, so I shot it back at him. That day I'd had little patience for smart alecs.

The votes against me were for what, Silence and calling out Jack's jerkiness?

My "linking together of players" was out of frustration towards the Scummy Jack anyway, thank you for those who saw fit to wait and see what i had to say.

Bah. I'm sorry that there was no majority achieved. I would've voted for Jack, had I Been able to.

 

This is all I really have to comment on, the rest was just evidence that others had brought up on these points.

Basically I think the linking is scummy but your excuse here is terrible. Firstly it admits that you linked people and then throws everyone towards Jack instead of you. Now I think this is scummy but not subtly. So I think that the people you have linked are the ones to look at. I could be wrong but thats how i feel. Its what I would do as mafia (one town with an mafia to make sure of a kill if the buddy is found)

the one that stood out was Charis and Red.

Now from my earlier post I have decided Charis isnt the one to hound so i think red is the one ill look at next and is up on my list. I think ill do a case on her tomorrow.

 

*sigh*

so many walls of text

[berf]

  On 6/29/2011 at 3:47 AM, Alanna said:

He was likely silenced, which explains his deleted posts. If he posted before getting a PM informing him he was supposed to be silenced.

 

 

The above is regarding Jack.

 

I cannot agree more. Consider:

 

If he is silenced, then has to go back and delete posts, after being nudged by mod to inform him he is silenced. Easy.

 

If he is faking a silence, then he would be modkilled for editing, as against the rules.

 

 

So, we can safely assume he has been silenced. This leads us in two directions:

 

A) He is town, and has been silenced for getting too close to the truth, or just to let the mafia run the game for this day. Let's face it, he puts cases on people, he makes people tick, the mafia don't want live wires like that running about, ESPECIALLY if there are newb mafia who will leap to anothers defense unheeded *cough MOON cough*

 

B) He is mafia, and catching too much flak, so they silence him to let the heat cool.

 

 

 

 

I am leaning towards the first. A few reasons:

 

Having Jack quiet means the heat from yesterday will roll on, and he will be unable to oppose a lynch building on him.

He is a case building terrier, and having him shut up will let others (See: Mafia) dictate the tempo more

I kinda lean toward him being town anyway.

 

If he is mafia, silencing him leaves the only targets as Red and Moon, more or less, short of manufacturing new cases today, so far of which I havn't seen any. An interesting choice, indeed. I cant quite make out what this means for the above mentioned two.

 

If RED is mafia, and JACK is town, silencing him makes perfect sense as he is RED's main antagonist.

If RED is town, and JACK is mafia, it doesn't make a lot of sense as mentioned above, it takes out thier main ANTI-RED proponent.

 

Here it gets tricky.

 

If RED is mafia, and JACK is mafia, this is a handy way to shut down the slightly hinted at gambit, which may have grown beyond thier control. I find it interesting that Red is saying she is ignoring Jack, and yet the war continues. However the battle has been acerbic, and very close to coming to the Hammer, so I tend to not think this is the case.

 

If RED is town, and JACK is town, why would the mafia stop this crazy melee when it is doing such a good job of confusing the buggery out of all and sundry? I do not think this is the case.

 

 

 

 

CONCLUSSION:

 

Red or Jack ARE mafia.

 

*dum dum dummmmmm*

[Red2111]

*Red digs in the dirt and mumbles about the oppressive regime of the so called monarchy thats been attempting to form by this chap called Arthur*

 

 

VOTE MIN

 

berf, you left one thing out of that equation. if Jack is scum and silenced, then it allows the heat to cool off him, gives him a Lynch Free card and another day to live while allowing his other team mates to bring other people to the for-ground and allow all the heat that he gained to simmer down. it also sets me up nicely.

 

a person being silenced in this game or having their vote controlled or given a PR should neither clear them or incriminate them more; as scum can do this to both their team mates & townies depending on how hey want to effect us and steer the game.

 

 

krak - can you clarify if Sir Robin was CS or not.

 

 

i find it odd that Krak didn't list who Sir Robin was. is there a grave digger type of role that prevents us from knowing who the player is? this is the first coners report where he didn't list the players name, which is why i find it odd.

 

 

also, another night with only 1 NK; i'm thinking that we can start to rule out a 2nd scum team & SK as a possability in this game seeing as it's now 2 nights with only 1 kill. theres always the chance a healing role is doing thir job well and blocking the other kill, but we'll get to that if another kill pops up at night. for now i'm willing to go with only 1 scum group.

 

 

  On 6/28/2011 at 8:36 PM, Minuet said:

Red my day two vote was not my idea. It was a restriction. Which really pissed me off. Since I couldn't really vote for anyone else I wasn't participating as much. Not to mention I have been sick for a few days now, and well yesterday was bad. My son almost took me to the hospital. So, yes I was less active and voted for someone I didn't suspect as much as someone else. I had a lovely restriction. I would have gladly voted for Moon. I just couldn't.

 

Okay, back off to bed.

 

 

Min i never questioned you about your Day 2 vote. infact i stated that Day 2 was pretty much useless in trying to figure out if your scum or not. so why are you twisting what i'm saying??

 

 

my main beef against you has been your vote & unvote on Wombat; i've not even FoSd you over your forced vote on me and would liek you to quote where i did since apparently your trying to FoS me over it.

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 3:47 AM, Alanna said:

He was likely silenced, which explains his deleted posts. If he posted before getting a PM informing him he was supposed to be silenced.

 

 

correction, he didn't delete them, only editted the words out. which was like flying a red flag saying "look at me, i've been silenced"

 

i can't say i'm too thrilled that Jack was allowed to edit his post when he could have just hit DELETE down at the bottom; kinda ruins the point of a silencing role if the perosn is allowed to make it so obvious. the fact that Jack chose to edit his post, knowing that he likely wouldn't be MKd for it but would also confirm he's been silenced makes me honestly suspect this is a swet up by the scum to try and take the heat off him.

 

seeing as i'm already convinced he's a symp; most likely everything he does will just seem scummy to me anyways but i had to give my 2 cents on the situation.

[Amadine]

Just a note Red, i'm not sure that Members can delete their posts - i have a feeling that's a Staff option?

[Niniel]

I don´t like talking during the night so I´m often silent then. Unfortunately I don´t have much time to post right now. I will be more active tomorrow and the day after.

 

Thanks Alanna for pointing out Jacks and Reds meaningless discussion. The same things over and over again. Is any of them scum? I think Red looks more scummy than Jack but that´s not based on facts right now. Just a feeling.

 

Anyway. I have only read the last night/day ones and I certainly have to re-read when I have more time but from what I have seen nothing has changed my mind about Moon. I voted her yesterday but when she disappeared I unvoted her. But now she is back so I vote Moon. Many players have said what is scummy with Moon and I think I have done it too. If someone want me to explain then I will do so when I have more time.

[keyholder21]

  On 6/29/2011 at 1:19 PM, Amadine said:

Just a note Red, i'm not sure that Members can delete their posts - i have a feeling that's a Staff option?

 

 

Yeah, I can't. The only way to get rid of what I said would be to edit and take it out. Also, it probably wouldn't let him take everything out, hence the period.

[berf]

I think by the time 2 minutes past daybreak rolled by and Jack hadn't posted, Red, it would be quite obvious to everyone he was silenced.

 

Right or wrong, confirmation of his silence is a gift. It is information.

 

 

Red, you said:

 

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berf, you left one thing out of that equation. if Jack is scum and silenced, then it allows the heat to cool off him, gives him a Lynch Free card and another day to live while allowing his other team mates to bring other people to the for-ground and allow all the heat that he gained to simmer down. it also sets me up nicely.

 

a person being silenced in this game or having their vote controlled or given a PR should neither clear them or incriminate them more; as scum can do this to both their team mates & townies depending on how hey want to effect us and steer the game.

 

I don't think the heat will die down. At least, not longer than one day, anyway. As soon as he is unsilenced, well, he knows only one way to play it seems, and will go straight back to catching flak.

 

I am having difficulty wrapping my head around the concept that a mafia player would play as he does. Especially when coming so close to lynch, and then not changing his style at all. I am presuming that a mafia alligned would back off so as not to go straight back to lynchville the next day.

 

If we assume he is TOWN, Vanilla for arguments sake, then I can buy it. His job is to catch scum, his best weapon is laying down evidence and asking questions, and getting people on board with him. Slightly more cavalier in approach, as there is less to lose.

 

As to not dropping the hammer on himself? I wouldn't do it either. I'd make you pull the trigger. I know I'm not alone in that. Different strokes for different folks, however.

 

 

 

Now, the bolded parts in that quote:

 

Setting you up: Sure does. You got heavily involved with Jack, therefore any activity on his end is going to roll through.

 

The latter part: Basically opening the door to calling a lynch on Jack. He is on a lot of radars, and you are pretty much saying "Yep. Keep them on the radar, REGARDLESS of the actions against them."

 

 

 

 

...which, would you beleive, is a tactic I pointed out in my post?

 

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Having Jack quiet means the heat from yesterday will roll on, and he will be unable to oppose a lynch building on him.

He is a case building terrier, and having him shut up will let others (See: Mafia) dictate the tempo more

I kinda lean toward him being town anyway.

 

 

So you seem to be trying to be subtly take a path that I mentioned would be a mafia plot.

 

 

 

You also claim that having an action against one does not make one less/more suspicious. Last day, you voted Jack. Now, you vote min. I am seeing this as a tactic to distance yourself from the Jack thing. You know there is still a good chance of people WANTING to vote Jack, and are planting the seeds for them to feel good to do so. However, you don't go for it?

 

*strokes chin*

 

Hrmm.

 

 

 

 

One last thing.

 

 

 

Vote: RED

 

I beleive you are mafia. I beleive you intentionally ignored certain aspects of Jack's questions. I can see you antagonising him and leading him into a merry tizzy, which admitedly he could have walked away from, but either way.

 

I beleive you are being contradictory in your attempt to open the gate for Jack lynching, and yet voting min so as not to make it obvious. You don't want to START the Jack lynch when he is silenced, as that would seem mafia-ey. But you attempt to make it OK for others to do so.

 

I am in two minds about the RP non-reveal. Having your RP confirmed would speak to your character. I'm not asking for you to reveal it, I don't want to be accused of role-fishing or whatever, but when you were asked it, you fair flipped out. If you are town, revealing it would have stopped a lot of the beef.

 

*nods, satisfied*

[berf]

Oh, and stopping that beef would have done the town wonders, obviously. The mafia are rubbing thier friggin' hands together at all this, no doubt.

[Red2111]

*Red moves some of the filth into the cart and continues to mutter to herself*

 

Old he calls me, i'll have you know i'm 32! What i object to is that he automatically treats me like i'm an inferior! Bloody kings and having their heads up their rears!

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 1:30 PM, keyholder21 said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 1:19 PM, Amadine said:

Just a note Red, i'm not sure that Members can delete their posts - i have a feeling that's a Staff option?

 

 

Yeah, I can't. The only way to get rid of what I said would be to edit and take it out. Also, it probably wouldn't let him take everything out, hence the period.

 

 

see i thought i remembered beign able to erase my own posts before getting a staff position on DM8.0 for some reason. i know when we first switched to Dm8.0 that was a main problem, but i thought i rememebred it being fixed on most of the boards.

 

 

if this is the case, then i take what i said back. i didn't realize he couldn't erase the posts

[keyholder21]

I think I'm going to vote moon again, for now. I'm not satisfied with her answers to what was posed to her on the day she was silenced. Also, I think 2 silencers in one game is highly unlikely and of the two, I believe Wombat more.

 

Vote Moon

 

But I'm keeping an eye on you Red.

[Moon Sedai]

Other than my claim of silence, I honestly don't see what it is you guys think is scummy about my actions. I'm not scum.

 

I believe I've stated my case on all of the points I've seen posted.

I stated the WIFOM stuff to Jack because I thought he was being a jerk, trying to tell us in an advanced game how to play. Guess what? We know it is an advanced game, most of us are experienced, Silent Jack. You trying to teach and educate us is kinda scummy.

 

If anyone were to be mafia, I think the "oppressed masses" representative would much more be likely to be mafia than a servant of the Knights. VOTE RED

 

I'm just sayin.

 

And Charis, really, you admit you're going to bandwagon today? Seriously?

That sounds kinda scummy too.

 

My jumping on Jack as a defense for Charis was out of exasperation of Jack being jerky than working with/being teamed up with anyone. `

[Tiinker]

  On 6/29/2011 at 2:33 PM, keyholder21 said:

I think I'm going to vote moon again, for now. I'm not satisfied with her answers to what was posed to her on the day she was silenced. Also, I think 2 silencers in one game is highly unlikely and of the two, I believe Wombat more.

 

Vote Moon

 

But I'm keeping an eye on you Red.

 

I agree, doubt there are two silences but being turned into a newt isn't exactly silencing. It may stop you from posting but it might stop you from sending in NA's etc. I don't think a pm would say "You've been turned into a newt and are silenced" instead of saying "You have been silenced".. Just doesn't seem to work to me.

 

99% sure Red has a PR. It seems to have become less and less enthusiastic throughout the game. I can only assume she's getting a bit annoyed with it herself :P

 

I'm with berf on most of his points except the one where he says that the heat on Jack wouldn't have died down. Other than that I think he's got it.

 

Vote Red

[Red2111]

*continues to dig up some mud, but points a dirty finger at Moon*

 

you see, the tyrant as exposed it's self!! and how do you get a tyrant, eh? by exploiting the workers! by hangin on to an outdated, imperialist dogma which parpetuates economic and socail indifferances in our societys!

 

 

 

Moon - your main point is that i'm an opressed mass eh? go back and review my posts from Day 1 or Day 2 and tell me if you still se an opressed mass in what may or may not be a PR.

 

you sly attempt at a half character reveal is even scummier that you're vote for me on wether i may or maynot be an oppressed mass.

 

could you wreek of scummyness any harder than that!!

[berf]

Ol' head in the sand trick, eh Red?

 

I'll have it on record that a few hours of activity after posting my write up, she is yet to respond.

 

 

 

That is all :)

[Sakaea]

I'm going to VOTE RED, and here's why:

 

1. I think she's more likely scum because Jack was calling so much attention to her, and now he's silenced, quite probably because he's done the best job so far of casing scum.

 

2. She hasn't been answering straight forward questions/statements from Jack and now from Berf, which, after 38 pages (for me) is getting more and more suspicious.

 

3. I've been thinking more and more, she's been focusing on the Black Knight up til recently, and how exactly could that be perceived as town? She's now switched to the "there's some lovely filth down here" people, who would more likely be town, IMHO.

 

4. In conclusion, I think Red is our best bet for scum.

[trench]

I think Berf makes some good points. After the back and forth with Red and Jack yesterday, I have to say I don't trust either of them. It could be one of many difrfent ploys but one of them is most likely mafia. I am reluctant to vote for someone who can not defend themselves, so I am willing to Vote Red at this point. If they are on a team and working together, then they deserve some kind of prize. Their back and forth was a complete distraction, whether innocent or scum, knowing their alliagnments will help straiten out where we should go after.

 

Vote Red

[killuliu]

You really aren't making this easy.. I was away for four days and it took me two days to read all you had written.. today, I've waste like an hour or so to read all you have written today! :D But honestly, I'm amazed at the analyzes and discussion, this game didn't look like it would have much of it in the beginning :D

So sorry for my inactivity :) I try to be more active from now on..

 

Vote Red

I honestly have nothing to add to things that have been already said. At beginning he seemed like a townie, but somewhere his comments got over the top and now scream scum to me..

[Red2111]

*Red flings a bit of mud into her cart and continues to shovel out more*

 

Your fooling yourselves, all of you. We're living in a dictatorship! a self perpetuating autocrascie in which the working class is treated liek scum and ganged up on!

 

 

ignoring poss again berf?? i did respond to you, in my first post today i might add

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 1:04 PM, Red2111 said:

berf, you left one thing out of that equation. if Jack is scum and silenced, then it allows the heat to cool off him, gives him a Lynch Free card and another day to live while allowing his other team mates to bring other people to the for-ground and allow all the heat that he gained to simmer down. it also sets me up nicely.

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:30 PM, Sakaea said:

I'm going to VOTE RED, and here's why:

 

1. I think she's more likely scum because Jack was calling so much attention to her, and now he's silenced, quite probably because he's done the best job so far of casing scum.

 

2. She hasn't been answering straight forward questions/statements from Jack and now from Berf, which, after 38 pages (for me) is getting more and more suspicious.

 

3. I've been thinking more and more, she's been focusing on the Black Knight up til recently, and how exactly could that be perceived as town? She's now switched to the "there's some lovely filth down here" people, who would more likely be town, IMHO.

 

4. In conclusion, I think Red is our best bet for scum.

 

and when i flip town what will you say then hmm?

 

also, too # 3 i have not been focused on the Black Night until recently ... unless your suggesting he also rides a "horse" and like coconuts? i suggestyou re-visit some of my posts on Day 1 before you say i've suddenly switched to another character.

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:33 PM, trench said:

I think Berf makes some good points. After the back and forth with Red and Jack yesterday, I have to say I don't trust either of them. It could be one of many difrfent ploys but one of them is most likely mafia. I am reluctant to vote for someone who can not defend themselves, so I am willing to Vote Red at this point. If they are on a team and working together, then they deserve some kind of prize. Their back and forth was a complete distraction, whether innocent or scum, knowing their alliagnments will help straiten out where we should go after.

 

Vote Red

 

i suggest you go for jack then, becuase i'm a Vanilla Townie. i'm Dennis the Digger to be more specific and win when ll threats to the town have been eliminated.

 

 

of course if you looked back, you could easily see that jack was the one trying to continue the flamming back & forth to set me up, and was the one focusing on areas during the day that weren't helping us find scum.

 

\but sure, play right into the Tyrant's hands and lynch another townie. atleast this way we can actually get a controlled lynch and get alot of info off my lynch. in fact, i'd vote myself (unlike Jack was willing to do) but prefer to leave my vote on Min.

 

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:49 PM, killuliu said:

You really aren't making this easy.. I was away for four days and it took me two days to read all you had written.. today, I've waste like an hour or so to read all you have written today! :D But honestly, I'm amazed at the analyzes and discussion, this game didn't look like it would have much of it in the beginning :D

So sorry for my inactivity :) I try to be more active from now on..

 

Vote Red

I honestly have nothing to add to things that have been already said. At beginning he seemed like a townie, but somewhere his comments got over the top and now scream scum to me..

 

so in other words, your relaly lynching me becuase of my playing style, which is the same in every game not just this one. seeing as your main complaint against me is that i'm not making it easy because i'm posting so much.

 

 

blatant bandwagoning much?

[killuliu]

  On 6/29/2011 at 5:02 PM, Red2111 said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:49 PM, killuliu said:

You really aren't making this easy.. I was away for four days and it took me two days to read all you had written.. today, I've waste like an hour or so to read all you have written today! :D But honestly, I'm amazed at the analyzes and discussion, this game didn't look like it would have much of it in the beginning :D

So sorry for my inactivity :) I try to be more active from now on..

 

Vote Red

I honestly have nothing to add to things that have been already said. At beginning he seemed like a townie, but somewhere his comments got over the top and now scream scum to me..

 

so in other words, your relaly lynching me becuase of my playing style, which is the same in every game not just this one. seeing as your main complaint against me is that i'm not making it easy because i'm posting so much.

 

 

blatant bandwagoning much?

 

 

On the first day, you admitted that you tried to play a bit like Mynd, and I think I've played three games with you before (or maybe four, I'm not sure), and never before have you really acted like this :) And it's more my gut than your playstyle (and in another mafia game, I learnt to trust my gut to a degree)...

 

 

[Sakaea]

Ok, so she's roleclaiming Dennis the Digger, vanilla town. I find it kind of suspicious that as soon as she starts gathering votes she starts answering accusations, and roleclaims. But I think we should move on.

 

We have yet to get scum at all this game, and I would rather try for someone else than a probable vanilla town. I propose we ignore Red and Jack now. I'm tired of the whole back-and-forth. So, UNVOTE, VOTE MOON

[Red2111]

*Red digs further in the mud, muttering under her breath about oppressive regimes and so called kings*

 

 

Kill, you mis read that. JLM commented that i reminded her of Mynd and i said i took that as a compliment. here i'll even dig up the quote for you

 

  On 6/16/2011 at 3:21 PM, Red2111 said:

why thank thee fair maiden JLM, i take that as a comlement of the highest esteme and love dearly playing with Mynd (and many others) in this game. though i humble my own self by saying i'm not nearly as masterful with words as Sir Mynd is.

 

*Red picks an apple and gives half to her horse, adjusting herself in her saddle*

 

 

no where have i said "I try to play like Mynd", there are bits of my play style that mimic his i guess, and i didn't find this out until i'd been playing for a good year; but no, my playstyle now is the same as it has been.

 

- i'm loud

- i'm up front

- i'm very vocal

- i throw the FoS around

- i end to pick out tiny little things others sometimes over look and pressure people about them

- i beat the grass and near set it on fire at times

- i post alot because well i tend to get on when the rest of you lot aren't posting so my responses tend to be big due to the quotes

- i'm also an agressive player, because i'm rather competitive.

 

 

 

since you guys seem so peachy keen to lynch me, then just get it over with and move the game on. i'll post a re-cap of my FoS's and why their scummy for you guys to review once the corner clears me this way you guys will atleast use the tools i'm giving you and my death will bring down a few scum.

 

i'm also gonna go out there now and ask the cop that if they've veiwed me not to reveal this, let the town lynch me and don't expose yourself as that woudl give the scum a bigger advantage then they have. i'm only a vanilla player so the town isn't losing anything important, just keep trying to find us some scum.

[Sakaea]

Ok, now I really think think we should focus elsewhere.

 

Who replaced Nyn? I can't find it. And I would like to hear from AJ.