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[Suttree]

how did Tam gateway out of Perrin's camp with the dreamspike in play? more importantly, how did Cadsuane contact him with the dreamspike in effect.

 

I'm sure I'm missing something, but he leaves right after the bubble of evil which is after the gateways started failing.

 

He didn't gate out of the camp. He apparently ran into Nynaeve in a village some ways away. He just came back to tell Perrin he was leaving.

 

I thought Tam left when Slayer was still experimenting with the dreamspike. The Asha'man had trouble with traveling and then it worked for a short time again before the dreamspike was in place for good.

[Byzantine279]

lillcheese, Perhaps that can be taken as him breaking his oath, but he didn't see the harm in a 5 minute visit to a childhood friend.

 

It is unclear exactly where Tam left, just that Perrin never met Nyn. so it is conceivable that it was somewhere out of the camp.

[Yehosh]

how did Tam gateway out of Perrin's camp with the dreamspike in play? more importantly, how did Cadsuane contact him with the dreamspike in effect.

 

I'm sure I'm missing something, but he leaves right after the bubble of evil which is after the gateways started failing.

tam was contacted while visiting a town which was outside the boundary

 

That still doesn't really make sense to me as Cadsuane found him based on Rand's vision of where Perrin is, she didn't know that Tam was visiting some random village.

[didymos]

how did Tam gateway out of Perrin's camp with the dreamspike in play? more importantly, how did Cadsuane contact him with the dreamspike in effect.

 

I'm sure I'm missing something, but he leaves right after the bubble of evil which is after the gateways started failing.

tam was contacted while visiting a town which was outside the boundary

 

That still doesn't really make sense to me as Cadsuane found him based on Rand's vision of where Perrin is, she didn't know that Tam was visiting some random village.

 

No, she didn't. Tam ran into her there. That's not the same thing as her waiting there for him. Obviously, she Traveled somewhere nearby, since opening a gateway in the middle of Perrin's camp would have been stupid.

[Sharaman]

Don't forget that Mat did not have the entire band with him, only a few thousand men, it takes a few hours to move a few thousand people through a doorway, faster if no one stops. Versus Perrin's entire army, which is approximately the same size as the entire band.

Perrin's group is around 15 times as large as Mat's forces when they meet up with Verin.

[Whatsie]

The red veiled Aiel with teeth filed down to fangs, what where they?

 

they are described as having dark eyes.

 

at first I thought they where the Aiel who over the years have been going to shayol ghul to 'battle' the DO that have been captured and turned. . . but with dark eyes that is not possible unless the TP or TP filtered OP (due to going through the myrrdraal) does something physical to them as in changing their eye colour as well as increasing dark attributes.

 

I am also currently theorizing that these are the channellers that the ASha Man have been sensing, although they have been kept hidden so that they can attack harder.

 

quick question brough on by tiredness, lets say that a myrrdraal was sacraficed could the DO transmitigate its soul into lets say an aiel channeller, would it be able to access the source? if so would that change eye colour?

 

So, we know that the Aiel male channelers (AMCs) went into the Blight... Possible sources of these red-veiled Aiel:

-AMCs were turned via 13x13 method, and they live for hundreds of years. Plenty of time to breed with any other DF Aiel brought to the Blight, and create evil Aiel.

-Aginor (Right? was he behind Shadowspawn?) Pre- or Post-Reincarnation. Could have twisted any number of captured Aiel, same result.

-Sammael sent a bunch of Shaido there with the nar'baha, and they were corrupted somehow. Admittedly the weakest theory I've got.

 

I like the theory I read in this thread about raiding the Isle of Madness, too. Maybe that was the source for the women the AMCs bred with? This would explain the dark eyes.

 

PS Yes, I read the entire thread. Very informative. I suggest reading the whole thing to anyone that hasn't. Set your posts per page up to 40, and it's only 8 pages long.

[BlueSun]

QUESTION: I have seen people commenting about LOIAL in the Prologue of ToM.... I am befuddled because I read nothing about him or the Ogiers in this volume.... Any help here?

[dwn]

QUESTION: I have seen people commenting about LOIAL in the Prologue of ToM.... I am befuddled because I read nothing about him or the Ogiers in this volume.... Any help here?

 

There's a little blurb from his book as the opening runner for the book, just before the prologue.

 

-- dwn

[BlueSun]

QUESTION: I have seen people commenting about LOIAL in the Prologue of ToM.... I am befuddled because I read nothing about him or the Ogiers in this volume.... Any help here?

 

There's a little blurb from his book as the opening runner for the book, just before the prologue.

 

-- dwn

 

 

Thanks! Once again my impulsivity and lack of attention to detail is exposed

[Braendyn]

The red veiled Aiel with teeth filed down to fangs, what where they?

 

they are described as having dark eyes.

 

at first I thought they where the Aiel who over the years have been going to shayol ghul to 'battle' the DO that have been captured and turned. . . but with dark eyes that is not possible unless the TP or TP filtered OP (due to going through the myrrdraal) does something physical to them as in changing their eye colour as well as increasing dark

attributes.

 

I am also currently theorizing that these are the channellers that the ASha Man have been

sensing, although they have been kept hidden so that they can attack harder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well keep in mind that the Atha'an Miere maroon men who can channel onto the Isle of Madness...we don't really know what becomes of them but, were I one of the Forsaken and I were shopping for my compliment of dreadlords for the last battle, I might stop there for a crop or two. It's a pretty large landmass and no one has a clue what Damondred is up to...other than it's likely he has a force of some sort around him.

 

 

quick question brough on by tiredness, lets say that a myrrdraal was sacraficed could the DO transmitigate its soul into lets say an aiel channeller, would it be able to access the source? if so would that change eye colour?

 

So, we know that the Aiel male channelers (AMCs) went into the Blight... Possible sources of these red-veiled Aiel:

-AMCs were turned via 13x13 method, and they live for hundreds of years. Plenty of time to breed with any other DF Aiel brought to the Blight, and create evil Aiel.

-Aginor (Right? was he behind Shadowspawn?) Pre- or Post-Reincarnation. Could have twisted any number of captured Aiel, same result.

-Sammael sent a bunch of Shaido there with the nar'baha, and they were corrupted somehow. Admittedly the weakest theory I've got.

 

I like the theory I read in this thread about raiding the Isle of Madness, too. Maybe that was the source for the women the AMCs bred with? This would explain the dark eyes.

 

PS Yes, I read the entire thread. Very informative. I suggest reading the whole thing to anyone that hasn't. Set your posts per page up to 40, and it's only 8 pages long.

[Braendyn]

Wow, I managed to post my reply inside the box of quoted txt...thanks iPhone.

 

What I'd meant to say was: keep in mind that the Atha'an Miere have been marooning male channelers on the island of madness, and were I a forsaken in search of dreadlords for my army in tarmon gaidon...I'd try to stock up there. Also we don't know where Demondred is and what he's been up to...

 

That's my approximate original response separated from the qoute box. Near Thakan Dar they seem to keep a village of borderlandsr slaves. I assume this is where they are breeding people to make all kinds of little monster pawns from, plenty of ladies to pair with shadow turned AMC's

[Sharaman]

Wow, I managed to post my reply inside the box of quoted txt...thanks iPhone.

 

What I'd meant to say was: keep in mind that the Atha'an Miere have been marooning male channelers on the island of madness, and were I a forsaken in search of dreadlords for my army in tarmon gaidon...I'd try to stock up there. Also we don't know where Demondred is and what he's been up to...

 

That's my approximate original response separated from the qoute box. Near Thakan Dar they seem to keep a village of borderlandsr slaves. I assume this is where they are breeding people to make all kinds of little monster pawns from, plenty of ladies to pair with shadow turned AMC's

The Athan Miere offer male channelers a choice between being killed or marooned on the nearest uninhabited island without food and drink.

It's not a specific island. Most males channelers prefer to be killed outright.

[Whatsie]

I'm with sharaman, I think the Isle of Madmen is it own entity that even the Sea Folk avoid. Pretty sure the BWB said something like that.

 

I really need to dig that thing out and reread it.

 

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[r_bhatt93]

Question: I believe it has been said that a circle of women can go up to 13, and if they link with a man they can increase it.

 

So why doesn't Rand link with Nyneave, Egwain, Elayne etc; adding the whole of the white tower as well as the (good) part of the black tower?

 

He could conceivably make a chain of every single channeler under the Light, and use their combined power which is said to be greater than the sum of their powers

 

With this and all the angreal and sa'angreal in the world, even the Choendal Kal wouldn't be able to stand to him.

 

He would be free to kill anyone that looks like Forsaken, beat the **** out of any trolloc, myrrdraal, or dreadlord, as well as binding and/or killing the Dark One.

[WhiteJoker]

Question: I believe it has been said that a circle of women can go up to 13, and if they link with a man they can increase it.

 

So why doesn't Rand link with Nyneave, Egwain, Elayne etc; adding the whole of the white tower as well as the (good) part of the black tower?

 

He could conceivably make a chain of every single channeler under the Light, and use their combined power which is said to be greater than the sum of their powers

 

With this and all the angreal and sa'angreal in the world, even the Choendal Kal wouldn't be able to stand to him.

 

He would be free to kill anyone that looks like Forsaken, beat the **** out of any trolloc, myrrdraal, or dreadlord, as well as binding and/or killing the Dark One.

It gets more difficult to add people the bigger the size of a circle is. I don't remember what the upper limit was but I believe the largest circle ever used during the Age of Legends was still under 100 people.

 

The other thing is that Rand/Lews believes that the solution to sealing the bore/defeating the Dark One doesn't lie in brute force. Due to that, having a massive circle with x number of angrael/sa'angrael is kind of pointless to him. If he believed otherwise he wouldn't have destroyed the male Choedan Kal at the end of tGS.

[Orderofolde]

Mat's Ashendarei. He asked for a way out of Finnland as a part of his wishes and asumed the fact that he got out answered that, never questioning the random spear they left him for no particular reason. Turns out it was a get out of jail free card.

Everyone knew about the spear, it wasn't such a BUT as Brandon stressed. We knew about it because on it's blade/haft is the inscription from the Eelfinn about the bargain done and the price paid. We kind og just took that in stride as part of the Finn's cruel nature or their humor. They inscribe it but failed to put, "Here is your bloody key" on the thing. We only just learn this book that when someone enters through the gateway they must abide by an agreement and through the ToG they don't have to, except in the "Bond Chamber." Questions would have been raised a lot more if we all had Birgette's words in earlier books of entering the tower and the "oh, by the way..." we got in this book.

[sarjente]

New to the boards. Saw something that piqued my interest. There was a Mercedes-Benz ornament found somewhere? Also, where do we think our age falls in?

[Kidicaris]

So, a question has been on my mind and no solution yet .... any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Why did Verin not teach Traveling to Joline, Teslyn or Edesina?

 

Verin had the time/opportunity and the three AS passed through the gateway with Mat to Andor so Verin must have made an effort to keep the knowledge of the weaving from them. Was this an effort by Verin to keep Mat in/close to Caemlyn? Is this an indication that one of those three is Black? Seems to me this is beyond simple t'a'veren (sp?) influence.

 

What do folks think?

 

Also, they would have had to go through Verin's gateway to get to Camelyn with Mat, so they'd have seen the weaves and been able to duplicate them. Even if none of them are powerful enough to create one on their own, they can link together and make one. It does seem an odd plothole.

Just seeing the Gate isn't apparently enough. You have to be taught the weaves. Verin didn't teach them for whatever reasons.

 

 

Quick learners can simply read the weaves and do it on their own. We have seen men and women both copying others weaves just by seeing it weaved once. Ofcourse it requires not only skill but strength also to copy some else's weave. Or may be Verin literally hid the weaves from these three, which just sounds odd.

 

Channelers definitely have to see the process in order to learn, not just the end result. It seems certain to me that Verin must have hid the actual forming of the weave from JoTeEd, otherwise they would have Traveled directly to TV rather than having to ride the whole way from Caemlyn. No doubt it is odd, and when it comes to Verin, oddities deserve another look IMO.

 

Possibly just the author(s)mistake. Whether or not Verin inverted the weave, or hid the actual weaving, one wonders why the sitters didn't demand to be taught Traveling. I GUESS she--being Black, could have lied to them about the nature of Traveling for her very Verin reasons. GOD I miss Verin.

[Kidicaris]

New to the boards. Saw something that piqued my interest. There was a Mercedes-Benz ornament found somewhere? Also, where do we think our age falls in?

 

In the museum in that Tanchico Palace where Moghedien and Nyneave duke it OUT, before being interrupted by BA with a balefire ter'angreal. The symbol is described, with a blurb about how it felt strongly of pride, or something like that.

[Gaidzag]

So, a question has been on my mind and no solution yet .... any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Why did Verin not teach Traveling to Joline, Teslyn or Edesina?

 

Verin had the time/opportunity and the three AS passed through the gateway with Mat to Andor so Verin must have made an effort to keep the knowledge of the weaving from them. Was this an effort by Verin to keep Mat in/close to Caemlyn? Is this an indication that one of those three is Black? Seems to me this is beyond simple t'a'veren (sp?) influence.

 

What do folks think?

 

Also, they would have had to go through Verin's gateway to get to Camelyn with Mat, so they'd have seen the weaves and been able to duplicate them. Even if none of them are powerful enough to create one on their own, they can link together and make one. It does seem an odd plothole.

Just seeing the Gate isn't apparently enough. You have to be taught the weaves. Verin didn't teach them for whatever reasons.

 

 

Quick learners can simply read the weaves and do it on their own. We have seen men and women both copying others weaves just by seeing it weaved once. Ofcourse it requires not only skill but strength also to copy some else's weave. Or may be Verin literally hid the weaves from these three, which just sounds odd.

 

Channelers definitely have to see the process in order to learn, not just the end result. It seems certain to me that Verin must have hid the actual forming of the weave from JoTeEd, otherwise they would have Traveled directly to TV rather than having to ride the whole way from Caemlyn. No doubt it is odd, and when it comes to Verin, oddities deserve another look IMO.

 

Possibly just the author(s)mistake. Whether or not Verin inverted the weave, or hid the actual weaving, one wonders why the sitters didn't demand to be taught Traveling. I GUESS she--being Black, could have lied to them about the nature of Traveling for her very Verin reasons. GOD I miss Verin.

 

While we're on the subject of Verin, why didn't she just tell Egwene that an enormous army of Shadowspawn was heading to Caemlyn? Why was it necessary to only let Mat be the whistleblower?

[sarjente]

New to the boards. Saw something that piqued my interest. There was a Mercedes-Benz ornament found somewhere? Also, where do we think our age falls in?

 

In the museum in that Tanchico Palace where Moghedien and Nyneave duke it OUT, before being interrupted by BA with a balefire ter'angreal. The symbol is described, with a blurb about how it felt strongly of pride, or something like that.

 

Wow, I am not good at imagining the descriptions presented me in these books. Thanks!

[sandoz12]

In TGS Egwene learns from Verin's letter that two BA members (Nalaene Forell & Elza) were with Rand. Do we know at all if Nalaene is still with Rand?

[Sharaman]

In TGS Egwene learns from Verin's letter that two BA members (Nalaene Forell & Elza) were with Rand. Do we know at all if Nalaene is still with Rand?

AFAIK she's still with that group.

[Templadir]

Was Cyndanes plea for help in the dream spoken in the Old Tounge (unusual words) and if so did Rand learn it on Dragonmount from LTTs memories since he understood her?

[Aquarius]

Is there a way that the 13x13 thing on the Red sisters in the Black Tower could somehow unbind them from the Oath Road ? It seems to me they would be quite useless in battle on the Dark side if they can't attack without provocations.