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  1. I agree, it won't be 100% the same but sometimes it is fun to see people's interpretations. Hollywood does remakes of classic literature all the time and most of the time they are great. With Broadway plays and musicals the same plays are redone with interpretive license, even operas are redone keeping close to the original but with different actors in the roles you can have a great success or a flop. A lot of money is being put into this project because they don't want another Shannara or Goodkind's Sword of Truth where it gets one or two dismal seasons. The networks, and fans, are craving something of the caliber of GOT, so I believe things might be interesting enough to watch. And of course all of fandom will be reignited with millions of new fans just being exposed to the books so that will be really great as well.
  2. Yes, very nicely done. This came as a tall, cold glass of water after a long crawl across the desert that lasted years.
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    On my Umpteenth re-read...

    I think most of us hardcore fans took a day off when the next book hit shelves or RJ came to town on a book signing tour. I took have done many rereads of the series, but I have done the audiobooks more than the books. I used to start with Eye and go through the entire series listening until I fell asleep, and start over. It took two months to get through them all, and to spice things up I'd add in New Spring once in a while as well.
  4. The Aiel were secret guardians of the knowledge that the Dark One existed and through their non-violence hoped to continue to influence the world to be a better place and to keep the DO at bay. When the bore was drilled they knew they had failed. In all seriousness, the AOL is sort of like a Hunger Games Utopia. The wealthy and privileged wined and dined and worked at their own uses of the OP or using the tech powered by the OP to do their own thing. There were lavish cities and gardens and Graendal is a perfect example of the indulgence, LTT a good example of the arrogance and superior thinking. Those people didn't really give much thought to all the others, those who supported that society by making the wine and tending the fields. Then again go sing a song and watch a Greenman dance and you have all the food you need in one go that just has to be harvested. The Forsaken were off doing their little experiments on people's minds or other experiments creating the precursors of the Trollocs and all the shadow's creatures, so there was a lot of shady stuff going on behind the scenes done against the less fortunate. If you got caught or exposed and became an embarrassment, then you were forced to use a binding rod to swear on that you wouldn't do that stuff any more. The Aes Sedai were servants of the people, they healed the sick, improved roads and made bridges out of Heartstone, and were up to all kinds of things. Even as great as the US or the UK and other "modern" powers are in being an overall good society, there is deviance and there is poverty and people going missing all the time. That is part of the balance.
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    Inefficient Seanchan testing

    The "Test" is only effective in singling out women born with the spark, who will channel regardless. That is why they leap on RM's forkroot tea. It is far more effective and likely faster. It seems to work on any woman who can or can learn to touch the source. There are many references of women fainting or going weak after drinking it. Most likely never knew they could touch the source or could learn. The collar is only effective on suldam who have worked long supervising and being linked to channelers.
  6. Yes, that scene was well-intended, but missed the mark. I think that in trying to provide some levity, BS forgot that Mat had the memories of countless noblemen. He wouldn't misspell words and have poor writing skills. After all, he issues orders to his men like a true lord and general.
  7. You have to remember that the Forsaken trapped at the sealing of the Bore were the strongest and the only ones left alive by that time. Many had been killed, and not just by the forces of Light. The Forsaken plotted and schemed and double-crossed one another all the time. Basically they were all reborn, or rather, they were replaced with new forsaken and Dreadlords which kind of took their place. Those turned against their will, those darkfriends who could channel that went to be trained by Taim...I'm sure off screen Taim and his few trusted lackeys were testing all the male darkfriends they could. And then Demi went and converted (freed) an entire nation of channelers gaining many hundreds of male and female channelers who kind of didn't seem to care who they served. Then there was the Black Ajah who lost a good number of their people in the culling. Much like Jordan believed, especially with the Wheel turning, history repeated itself. Or a version of it. It is kind of hard to believe, but LTT and Rand are from two different parts of history...one doomed to fail, and the other the true savior, both are the same soul, yet both need one another in order to exist. There will someday be a society who had forgotten the Dark One, who tries to use him for a source of new power, and is duped into boring a hole. The new Rand will come along and rebalance everything so that for thousands of years people will live in relative safety and will achieve a gaia-like existence, forgetting their history, even the Source at some point, and it all starts over.
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    Dune to WoT

    RJ was a historian and as a youth did some traveling of the world thanks to the US Army (Vietnam). He studied in a prestigious War Academy, and was heavily influenced by Empires and Armies and famous battles. (The last battle's main fight is vaguely reminiscent of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Round Tops of the American Civil War.) I would say that the Aiel are a blend of the Zulus with the spears and the running everywhere, while their physical appearance is more Scottish (All the red hair and fair skin.) I do agree that RJ borrowed from anywhere and everywhere, knowingly and unknowingly. I saw the Never Ending Story as a kid and about a year ago saw it with my kids and several glaring things stuck out (many!), the same with the original Star Wars series and so many other things. Tolkien is where he borrowed from heaviest and where he got the main idea. He admits it in his interview for the audiobooks. He couldn't stand the quick start to traditional fantasy of a wizard showing up and everyone was like, "You are the one" and the character's quick acceptance of his fate. Of course there are a lot of commonalities as these are what separates fantasy from westerns or spy novels. In a lot of my writing, when I go back through and edit I find things all the time, especially in trying to generate random names for my characters on the fly. Of course when RJ has some 3,000 character names it's hard not to find something close, or character names in other novels I've read or the names of cities and such.
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    Slayer killing rand's dad

    His dad went there to die like the male channelers discovered among the Aiel. After Rand's mom dies he loses himself, blames himself for not denying her, doesn't know where the child went. After that, in his eyes it was the honorable thing to do. I don't think that Luc vowed anything or much cared about his sister. Luc loves to hunt, and we see in the Two Rivers that he hunts the Shadow's creatures as much as he does any other. It was likely all prophesied, and meant to happen though that was only a mention for us to puzzle out, him being a man with a face of his dead love whom he couldn't raise a weapon to. Otherwise he probably would have killed Slayer or scared him into T'A'R because Slayer is a bully and likes easy kills. An Aiel Chief or soon to be chief out for blood, wanting to take as many of the shadow with him before he gets it? My money's on the Aiel.
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    One Power 'nets'

    Might be crossover from LTT. In his day weaves and nets were called "webs" iirc, but we see the term "nets" used with some of the weaves when the girls are together, especially when they figure out how to change their appearance, I believe. Some of the forsaken are seen in character thinking of what they were doing as spinning or casting webs, especially referring to compulsion or maybe punishment weaves.
  11. While they had access to Wells, no one had a need to store a concentrated form of the power during that time when everyone was relatively strong and in the case of LTT and the Hundred companions, arrogant. Your logic is correct, however. If an Eye or a pool had existed and was used, then it would be tainted and would have driven them mad. The world would have broken but the source wouldn't be tainted. The only use for a concentrated well like the Eye was cleaning and storing the source in a physical form which concentrated it, whether that was the use or an unintended consequence we don't know. We do know that the Aes Sedai hid the banner and a seal and the HOV beneath the pool, likely based off prophecy. And we also know there were the same number of Eyes in RJ's original manuscript as there were seals, iirc. That was reworked and for a time it looked like for each Forsaken Rand and CO killed that a seal was broken, but then that fettered out. I attribute all that to early bookisms, the editing process where the publisher had a lot more input early on and so forth.
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    Dune to WoT

    While Tolkein's LOTR was a big inspiration for him, admitted in his audiobook interview and how he wanted to change the way most fantasy involved someone showing up and announcing a prophesy of "You are the one..." he also borrowed from many sources outside of Myth and Religion...including The Never Ending Story, and Star Wars!
  13. Sorry for the rant, but I worked in retail and had to ship stale cigarettes back. I made the mistake of asking the vendors if the company destroyed it and was told what they do with it. Spread the cigarettes onto racks and treat them with chemicals and repackage them as new cigs. Some of the tobacco products can be well over a year old. Makes me even more glad I don't partake. So the next time you smokers detect a slight difference in your cigarette...now you know it's probably one of those packed with extra chems!
  14. Pipe tobacco and Cigarette tobacco are different. Also, in Randland Big Tobacco hasn't pumped all kinds of chemicals into the tobacco, they also don't recall Two Rivers Tobacco and steam in chemicals once past its date to "refresh it" and sell it as fresh tobacco...they also don't put fiberglass into chewing tobacco. Randland Tobacco= Natural original Native American Tobacco. Still not healthy, but in Randland it is an occasional enjoyment.
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    Does the One Power prevent pregnancy?

    No logic hole here, just a confusion with biology. Women have over 100,000 eggs and use 12 a year. You do the math.
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