The Big (Currently) Unoticed Thing In Books 4-6 (Mistborn Spoilers)

[Vulgir]

I dont think the steam engine is what is it. The use of mat making tanks for the last battle has been brought up alot.

[jwillis7]

what if it has to do with Rand's angreal, he found it in 4 and lost it in 6 so it meets the requirements.  I don't know what about it could be special, maybe where it is or maybe it is more than just an angreal?  just a thought, if someone else has said this sorry.

[Vulgir]

not a bad thought, but i dont see it fitting into place, Callandor just trumps that thing to all hell, and i cant see it being a pivot to a huge set up.

 

"Oh no Taim has the fat man angreal!!!"

Callandor SMASH!!!!!!

[Corvinus]

From what I understood, Sanderson said that it was something first seen somewhere in books 4-6, and mentioned in other later books as well.

 

I don't know if this has been discussed on different forums, but IMO it is Aviendha's bracelet which she got from Rand. In ToM, I expect to see her in Rhuidean, and... who knows. I would say that the bracelet might be a ter'angreal, and as of book 11, we know that Aviendha has the talent to know what ter'angreal do. But the bracelet could be something else. I also thought of the necklace she got from Egwene, but in my opinion, only Rand would be capable of finding an object that has a bigger importance than anyone can imagine.

[Sentinel78]

Mat thinks there is a connection from him to the Eelfinn.  It hasn't been proven that he is right, although it seems highly likely that he is.

 

Rand has never visited the Eelfinn.  There can be no connection from him to them.

 

Bob, that assumes the mind-connection that Mat suspects was caused only by the Finns on the other side of the Rhuidean ter'angreal.  Do we really know that for sure?  The Finns in the Stone of Tear ter'angreal rummaged through everyone's memories and everyone felt a need to 'bathe' afterwards.  Cyndane also said, at the end of Winter's Heart when fighting Alivia, "She was stronger than Cyndane had been before the Aelfinn and the Eelfinn held her!".  In other words, both sets of Finns held her when she went through the Rhuidean ter'angreal. 

 

Thus, why couldn't the mind-connection have been established by the Finns from the SoT ter'angreal?  Those Finns store the memories, and the other Finns use them sometimes.  I think this makes sense because we never really figured out what the SoT Finns get from answering questions in the first place --- perhaps the mind-connection.

 

That's what I thought Mat was getting at in Knife of Dreams... in which case it could carry over to Rand (and Moiraine I guess).  Sorry, I get the Finns confused all the time, so I just refer to them as the SoT Finns and Rhuidean Finns.

[Zidel333]

OK, totally COMPLETELY forgot that Rand saw Hawkwing at Falme. My bad. My bad. However, that doesn't disprove the rest of my theory. Still curious about whose sword it originally was....

[NetSlider]

Been lurking for a few months and had to register just to respond to this thread. May be a "little" out there, but maybe not.

 

1. The Aiel from AoL were charged with protecting the wagons of angreal and what not.

2. The cache from Rhuidean were packed onto wagons and seemingly written out of the story after Moiraine and Lanfear fought.

3. Egwene has a strange chapter in TGS where she finds a group of Tinkers with "need" in T.A.R. but it never really says where they are.

4. Could the cache from Rhuidean have ended up with this group of Tinkers? She never talks with anyone to see of they really are Tinkers. The wagons could be painted up to resemble them in order to be covert. They are decendents of the Aiel. It kinda ties all that together for me. Thoughts?

 

 

 

And than Mat finds the tinkers that are all killed off!!! The message say "Tell the dragon reborn..." what???that they lost the stash?! I think this is something. Great job!

[FortySix]

just brainstorming here but all the talk of TAR and need got me thinking of the effects of entering TAR in the flesh, which rand does several times and may be pulled into TAR in the flesh even more times. I believe it's first mentioning is in TSR and is mentioned after that. I actually don't think it is it though as I believe Rand's "dark night of the soul" is finished after TSG.

 

Also, earlier someone mentioned Landfear in TSR and how she mentions there were two stronger Sa'angreal more powerful than callandor that a male can use. One obviously being the CK and the other she is unsure if it still exists. I don't think this is the secret though because it is never mentioned again as far as I know, it is still interesting to know that morridin or taim could show up at TG weilding a angreal more powerful than callandor.

 

I'm reading books 4-6 again and will be putting in any thoughts I have that could have been missed. I've been around WoT theory for quite awhile and I'll add anything I find even a tiny bit significant.  

 

 

[cuiv]

My assumption was that the third powerful sa'angreal was the Ring of Tamyrlin. Lanfear isn't sure whether it still exists because something as important as the Ring of Tamyrlin would have remained in Aes Sedai or Aiel hands if it survived at all, and Lanfear had ample opportunity to search for it in the Aiel hoard.

[stormcrow]

Rand just destroyed the most powerful sa'angreal ever made, I doubt the answer to anything now is moar fire power.

[Lewsdarren]

I like the idea of the fat little man angreal. Wasn't there a Rand POV which hints that it was connected to one of his answers from the snakes/foxes? Where he thinks something like 'not having it leads to his death and defeat'......hoping someone can supply the actual quote/page-I just moved and don't have my books.

[imperium3]

I like the idea of the fat little man angreal. Wasn't there a Rand POV which hints that it was connected to one of his answers from the snakes/foxes? Where he thinks something like 'not having it leads to his death and defeat'......hoping someone can supply the actual quote/page-I just moved and don't have my books.

 

And it did save his life against Asmodean, didn't it? But I doubt that it's in any way important compared to Callandor.

[clu7ch]

Could the third sa'angreal be referring to Egwene's ganked fluted rod she uses in 'A fount of power'? It's never said if it is only usable by females.

[lrbenson]

I have a theory.  Fel's message, or how it's been commmonly deconstructed, might be incomplete.

 

Ok, take a look at the style of writing for the first part...

 

Belief and order give strength. Have to clear rubble before you can build. Will explain when see you next.

 

Incomplete sentences, absolutely no use of the plural tense.

 

Now...

 

Do not bring girl.

 

Yes I know that it is follow by "too pretty."  However, what if this is not referring to Min?  What is LT had it right where the sealing is a guy thing?  After all, who created the Bore?  Wasn't Lanfear team leader?  Maybe Saidar makes the Bore, and Saidin seals it? 

 

Also, maybe it could refer to Min, but maybe her place isn't at the last battle, but somewhere else.  Elayne and Aviendha could help Rand with Callandor, and Min is doing something else vital.  I just think it's interesting if you break the 2nd part of that note down.  And that note has definitely been small and innocuous throughout all the books.

[Lewsdarren]

*sigh* This thread is about something that has been overlooked. Safe to say it isn't Callandor.

[analyticalkeys]

Yes I know that it is follow by "too pretty."  However, what if this is not referring to Min?  What is LT had it right where the sealing is a guy thing?  After all, who created the Bore?  Wasn't Lanfear team leader?  Maybe Saidar makes the Bore, and Saidin seals it? 

 

First, the note has been dismissed by BS's assistant.. but any use of the OP on the bore will cause a taint, and the Bore was created from a thin patch of the pattern which Lanfear essentially ripped open, so I doubt that it's a saidar only thing.

[Otarin]

3 possibilities:

 

Wise ones all have the same dream (Matters of Toh - LOC).

Rain Coming from the bowl.  If the right hands pick it up they will find a treasure perhaps as great as the bowl. If the wrong hands, the world is doomed.

 

So what is the treasure?  Is it 1 object or the whole trove?

 

Moraine thinking to herself in TFOH about the ring ter'angeral in Rhuinedan

A spoonful of hope and a cup of despair.   We know about Lanfear and the dock (her despair) perhaps her hope is in the rescue, but I don't think so....I think she knows something about the last battle.  She's a Blue, dedicated to the cause of seeing the Dragon Reborn win the last battle. I'm not sure she would consider her rescue hope...perhaps...but it doesn't really fit her character.

 

Ewgenes Dreams in What can be Learned in Dream (TFOH).  There are four of them.  The last one is significant in that it seems to be coming true in TGS.  "A storm, Great Dark Cloud rolling without wind or rain while forked Lightning Bolts, every one identical, rent the earth."

 

At the time most thought this was dealing with the battle latter in the book, but if you look at the way the storm is described in TGS it seems to fit better.  If it does have we seen the Lightning bolts?  Maybe a few but not rending the earth.  Imagine the construct Rand Created to kill the trollocs in the Stone on a Global scale.  Not to mention the clouds are blocking the sunlight prevent stuff from growing.  Add in Rands state being tied to the land, the harsh summer, the long winter before that.  Not many crops in the last 2 years for Randland.  Throw in the spoilage and you have massive starvation and lots of CHAOS.  Maybe that explains the farming in the blight which seemed totally out of left field.  There is more to that..of that much I am certain.

 

Forkroot is my last guess.  We first see it in A signal in TFOH.  It has gotten to the tower and the Seachan.  The shadow probably has it by now as well.  Maybe that is what those farmers in the blight were doing.  Did I mention I am certain that is important....whatever it is?

 

[clu7ch]

I dunno how viable this is but Rand got the two dragon tat's in Rhuidian,

and they've been mentioned constantly in the books since,

 

And now one of the dragon tattoo's is incomplete, which would mean that the prophecies aren't completed unless it only matters if they were whole at one time.

 

and he's missing a heron too

 

....................................and a hand

[Kinsbane]

I dunno how viable this is but Rand got the two dragon tat's in Rhuidian,

and they've been mentioned constantly in the books since,

 

And now one of the dragon tattoo's is incomplete, which would mean that the prophecies aren't completed unless it only matters if they were whole at one time.

 

and he's missing a heron too

 

....................................and a hand

 

Doesn't seem very viable to me. Rand was already marked four times by the time he lost his hand - this doesn't negate the Prophecy, as the events that the Prophecy talks about are tied to the Dragon through the sybmols of the heron and the Dragons on his arms. Three of the four events have happened, I believe.

[analyticalkeys]

I dunno how viable this is but Rand got the two dragon tat's in Rhuidian,

and they've been mentioned constantly in the books since,

 

And now one of the dragon tattoo's is incomplete, which would mean that the prophecies aren't completed unless it only matters if they were whole at one time.

 

and he's missing a heron too

 

....................................and a hand

 

Doesn't seem very viable to me. Rand was already marked four times by the time he lost his hand - this doesn't negate the Prophecy, as the events that the Prophecy talks about are tied to the Dragon through the sybmols of the heron and the Dragons on his arms. Three of the four events have happened, I believe.

 

I concur, the prophecy was for him to be marked.. not for him to stay marked. Which was the fourth event?

[algspkr]

these are the only suggestions i could come up with off the top of my head; using issues first presented or worsned in books 4-6

 

- something to do with the "Snakes & Foxes"

 

Doesn't fit; it has been discussed too much.

 

- who Gaidin Cain(sp) was reborn as

 

This has been discussed a bit, but mostly to say that it isn't Olver.  But I do not see it having a significant impact on the last two books, as he is still an infant.  If BS was working on one of the out riggers I would go for it.

 

- something to do with Valin Luca and his traveling circus

 

I doubt it as this has never seemed important, and BS indicated that it should have.

 

- what the DO told Demandred

 

Doubt it.

 

- where/who Meesena is

 

We know where she is, and it has been heavily discussed.

 

- what Logan's greatness is

 

This has been heavily discussed.

 

- who/what is Taim

 

Taim being anything other than an Asha'man/darkfriend has not been indicated in the books prior to KoD except arguably Taimndred which has been discredited by RJ.

 

- something to do with the 3 oaths

 

Doubtful

 

- the traveling people and aiel

 

KoD and TGS have both indicated an increase in their importance, and there has been very little discussion of the caravan which Mat came across on his march to Illian.  I wish I could claim credit for this idea.

 

- the song the traveling people are looking for

 

I don't think it is the song as we have heard of that since TEotW.

[algspkr]

these are the only suggestions i could come up with off the top of my head; using issues first presented or worsned in books 4-6

 

- something to do with the "Snakes & Foxes"

- who Gaidin Cain(sp) was reborn as

- something to do with Valin Luca and his traveling circus

- what the DO told Demandred

- where/who Meesena is

- what Logan's greatness is

- who/what is Taim

- something to do with the 3 oaths

- the traveling people and aiel

- the song the traveling people are looking for

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gaidal Cain is Olver, Lets see he is ugly, every woman loves him it appears, and the men of the band are teaching him how to use all sorts of weapons. Also he has been learning to ride horses from the men in the band, there isn't any question in my mind that it's him.  There have just been way too many hints about it if you read through what has been written.  

It's probably been said before on this post, but Olver is too old to be Gaidal Cain; RJ confirmed this.  Time always flows forward weather we are in the Way's TAR or Earth.

[algspkr]

Seems to me there are too many things in books 4-6 and BS just said that to make us go crazy.

 

And this is surprising why?

[algspkr]

Can anyone ever remember reading a forum discussion of any mind-connection that the Finns have with Rand (not Mat, which we already know about)? 

 

Mat thinks there is a connection from him to the Eelfinn.  It hasn't been proven that he is right, although it seems highly likely that he is.

 

Rand has never visited the Eelfinn.  There can be no connection from him to them.

 

The connection is likely to the Aelfinn as well.  They live in the same place and seem to have identical weaknesses.

[algspkr]

From what I understood, Sanderson said that it was something first seen somewhere in books 4-6, and mentioned in other later books as well.

 

I don't know if this has been discussed on different forums, but IMO it is Aviendha's bracelet which she got from Rand. In ToM, I expect to see her in Rhuidean, and... who knows. I would say that the bracelet might be a ter'angreal, and as of book 11, we know that Aviendha has the talent to know what ter'angreal do. But the bracelet could be something else. I also thought of the necklace she got from Egwene, but in my opinion, only Rand would be capable of finding an object that has a bigger importance than anyone can imagine.

 

It is unlikely that the bracelet is an *'angreal as it would have almost certainly have been noticed by now.  The bracelet does seem to meet the requirements, but for the life of me I cannot see how it could be a pivotal object.