Towers of Midnight Speculation Thread (Spoilers for tGS)

[JenniferL]

Let's keep all the speculation on WoT 13 in here for now. Otherwise, this forum is going to get crazy cluttered. We'll open up an official forum for Towers of Midnight after The Gathering Storm has been in release for a few months.

[Ashaman Kovan]

Towers of midnight. Seems to me like it's an obvious reference to either The Black Tower or the Seanchan attack on the White Tower. Or maybe even both. Probably both actually. Since it's "Towers", plural.

[Bloody-this-flaming-that!]

Honestly, at this point they could call it " Balony on Rye" And I'd still buy it!...and the prologue....and the paperback....and whatever else they tell me to! ;D

 

seriously though, cool title although it does make me draw comparisons to LOTR being the second novel referring to towers and all.

[Lambada]

Weren’t The Towers of Midnight a Seanchan thing.

 

I seem to recall it being said that the Aes Sedai who invented the a’dam screamed screams that “shook the towers of midnight” when she was collared.

 

I smell a Matt/Tuon plotline.

[Ashaman Kovan]

Weren’t The Towers of Midnight a Seanchan thing.

 

I seem to recall it being said that the Aes Sedai who invented the a’dam screamed screams that “shook the towers of midnight” when she was collared.

 

I smell a Matt/Tuon plotline.

 

Tower of Ravens.

[Lambada]

Weren’t The Towers of Midnight a Seanchan thing.

 

I seem to recall it being said that the Aes Sedai who invented the a’dam screamed screams that “shook the towers of midnight” when she was collared.

 

I smell a Matt/Tuon plotline.

 

Tower of Ravens.

 

Hmm Tower of Midnight according to http://wot.wikia.com - TGH ch.40 apparently. Is anyone able to check? I don't have my book with me.

[Balefire to da face!]

I've heard several suggestions put forth, perhaps it's all of them mixed into a general theme?

 

Midnight - darkest hour for the Light

 

Towers - Tower of Genji involving Moiraine's rescuse, the White and Black Tower shenanigians, AND the seven towers of Malkier being the banner that will unify the borderlands into a strike on the Blight.....

 

These are all major plot points that are open right now that could culminate in the second to last book before A Memory of Light and all out Tarmon Gaidon.....

 

Kovan: I checked. I am not gonna type it all out, but it's the chapter where Eg is being captured by the Seanchan, and the Seanchan is telling the story of how the a'dam was created. And when the creator of the a'dam was leashed herself her screams "shook the Towers of Midnight.

 

So yeah, either a coincidence, adding to the general them of "towers", or we are gonna have a lot of Seanchan time in ToM.....

[Ashaman Kovan]

Weren’t The Towers of Midnight a Seanchan thing.

 

I seem to recall it being said that the Aes Sedai who invented the a’dam screamed screams that “shook the towers of midnight” when she was collared.

 

I smell a Matt/Tuon plotline.

 

Tower of Ravens.

 

Hmm Tower of Midnight according to http://wot.wikia.com - TGH ch.40 apparently. Is anyone able to check? I don't have my book with me.

 

Yeah, you're right. I don't know. That was what they were called back in Hawkwings day though, so maybe the name changed or something. Or maybe when RJ called them that he wasn't planning on a book being written with the title after them?

[JenniferL]

It could also be an oblique reference to the Black Tower.

[Ashaman Kovan]

It could also be an oblique reference to the Black Tower.

 

Could be. Just the fact that it's Towers in plural form means to me something about the Black Tower and the White.

[Lambada]

Hmm Tower of Midnight according to http://wot.wikia.com - TGH ch.40 apparently. Is anyone able to check? I don't have my book with me.

 

Yeah, you're right. I don't know. That was what they were called back in Hawkwings day though, so maybe the name changed or something. Or maybe when RJ called them that he wasn't planning on a book being written with the title after them?

 

Again according to wot.wikia Tower of Ravens is in Seandar, Seanchan Capital, a prison and HQ of the seekers. Whereas ToM is in Imfarel - the main base until Seandar was taken in the consolidation.

 

So perhaps they are equivalent just in different times and places as you suggested - both seem to be prisons or some kind.

 

Perhaps it will deal with (the invading?) Seanchan as a whole learning about the 'sul'dam can channel' secret? It is afterall the only thing that has been linked to ToM in the series.

[Ashaman Kovan]

Hmm Tower of Midnight according to http://wot.wikia.com - TGH ch.40 apparently. Is anyone able to check? I don't have my book with me.

 

Yeah, you're right. I don't know. That was what they were called back in Hawkwings day though, so maybe the name changed or something. Or maybe when RJ called them that he wasn't planning on a book being written with the title after them?

 

Again according to wot.wikia Tower of Ravens is in Seandar, Seanchan Capital, a prison and HQ of the seekers. Whereas ToM is in Imfarel - the main base until Seandar was taken in the consolidation.

 

So perhaps they are equivalent just in different times and places as you suggested - both seem to be prisons or some kind.

 

Perhaps it will deal with (the invading?) Seanchan as a whole learning about the 'sul'dam can channel' secret? It is afterall the only thing that has been linked to ToM in the series.

 

I just feel like that would be too easy lol. Naming the book after a specific place and then the book actually being about that specific place. I don't know...I don't like the idea of that for whatever reason. So I'm sticking with it being an abstract reference to the BT and WT. The whole Nicola fortelling or something to do with that.

[RAMb0211]

It could just be a connection of all the different towers sorta like how the Two Towers was. It was never fully explained which two towers, but the book makes connections between several.

[Charlz Guybon]

Interesting, I thought RJ said we wouldn't be going back to Seanchan though.

 

http://theoryland.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/9912

 

Question: We know the Tower of Ravens located in the Seanchan capital city is used as an imperial prison especially for members of the blood, but there is also a reference to the first marath damane shaking the Towers of Midnight. Are the Towers of Midnight also a prison? Can you tell us more about them? (Some of this question paraphrased)?

 

Jordan: There are thirteen towers of midnight. The Towers of Midnight are a fortress complex, and were, at the time this happened, Shandar wasnt the capital, and the Towers of Midnight were the center of military might, or the forces that were beginning the consolidation before the conquest of Seanchan.

[Muad Cheade]

While the Towers of Midnight is in Seanchan (the continent), I don't believe it is referencing that. If it were, wouldn't there be a "The?" The lack of it indicates there are multiple towers not one specific group of them.

 

Midnight could be seen as a reference to the Shadow and all fo the major "towers" have been touched by it. The White Tower, The Black Tower, the Seven Towers of Malkier and the Tower of Ghenjei (although this could be disputed).

 

We know that the WT is severely corrupted in the Prologue via Mesaana) and the Black Tower is divided and most likely as corrupt as the WT depending on if Taim is merely insane or a Darkfriend). The Seven Towers of Malkier are now ruins as Malkier has been swallowed by the Blight. The current Lord of the Seven Towers is ridding there (specifically Tarwin's Gap) to halt the Shadow's first advance.)

 

The Tower of Ghenjei is  hard to include with the other towers but Birgitte mentioned to Perrin that the Finns are so apart from the both the Light and Shadow that they might as well be evil (that was a horrible paraphrase). It seems as the title indicates that there will be major confrontations happening in the Towers.

 

Great titles for the last three books. RJ would be proud.

[Ashaman Kovan]

Great titles for the last three books. RJ would be proud.

 

I don't know if I'd say that.....

[JenniferL]

I sincerely doubt Harriet would allow a title that Jim wouldn't approve of.

[Ashaman Kovan]

I sincerely doubt Harriet would allow a title that Jim wouldn't approve of.

 

That's not what I meant either. But when you get right down to it there really is only one title RJ approved of right? I'm not one of the fanatics who are foaming at the mouth over the divergance from what RJ himself thought he could do and wanted done. I'm just saying. :)

[Muad Cheade]

Great titles for the last three books. RJ would be proud.

 

I don't know if I'd say that.....

 

I actually meant that he'd be happy with the way the final three have been handled.

[Ashaman Kovan]

Great titles for the last three books. RJ would be proud.

 

I don't know if I'd say that.....

 

I actually meant that he'd be happy with the way the final three have been handled.

 

Ehhh.....Could be so.

[DemandredFO]

I'm thinking it means the Black Battle, The shadow attack on the white tower, The Seanchan in general, the black citidal in the blight and maybe the Tower of Ghenji.

[Balefire to da face!]

I think it's a pretty good name. Seems to be a little more Fantasy-ish then the rest(maybe it's just my imagination since it comes from Sanderson) but not bad. It has a very "ooooooh scary" vibe to it that borders on hokey, but this is the second to last book so you can imagine that things are pretty dire. So the name has to reflect that. Plus, there's probably plenty of stuff in the actual book that makes the title fitting. So no complaints....

[Mr. Micawber]

I'm thinking it means the Black Battle, The shadow attack on the white tower, The Seanchan in general, the black citidal in the blight and maybe the Tower of Ghenji.

 

I was going to say, if Elan Morin's Barad-d...I'm sorry I meant his fortress  ::) isn't a tower of midnight, I'd like to see just what kind of midnight everyone else is thinking of! :P

 

Slightly off topic, could it be *this* "black tower" that's rent in fire and blood and has sisters walking its grounds?

[Aiemond]

It's castlevania.  ;D

[CUBAREY]

Edit from Luckers: Appologies Cubarey I deleted your post before I realised how rampant the spoilers were--unless Kath or Maj object I've made this a spoiler thread in total, so if you want to repost or replace go for it.

 

Sorry again.