[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:57 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Why are you trying to say you didn't say it? That you waffled is irrelevant. You also trying to say I'm misrepping you is malarkey. You quoted all your defenses for yourself and left out the part where you actually said the thing I said you did.

 

Misrep projection on your part.

Expand  

Sweet jeebus. I quotes where I said I was pretty sure I hadn't said it without referencing how I was burnt by it last game. I didn't say I never said it, I never defended SD by saying he was TWTBAW. Again, like in Dice's case, the words are literally there, quoted for your convenience. 

 

You aren't making any sense. 

[Darthe]

Now that I’m back, a few things.

 

1) I haven’t read past page 10-12ish, except for whatever the current page was a couple of times I peeked in.

 

2) Possibly related to 1 but I don’t know why SD is the wagon.  
 

3) heavy looked wolfy to me every time I peeked in.

 

##vote heavy

[DPR]

  

Current Vote Count:
 

Sinister (4) - Ithi, Turin, berf, peace

Teph (1) - Lee

Tarthe/Digs (1) - Teph

Heavy (2)- dice, Tarthe/Digs

berf (2) - Shad, Heavy

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. 
 

Deadline @ 4 pm EST on Friday ( May 30th) 

 

6 Hours and 27 mins

 

*Countdown clock link at top of OP

[Ithillian Turambar]

Hey @Tephulis you still gonna vote Tigs because of 'personality playstyle' now that Darthe is Tigs.

 

or are you gonna slide elsewhere.

[Turin Turambar]

@SinisterDeath, @ed2funy, @Gudrean, we got about 6 hrs until dl and if no majority a random player gets lunched. Could you please come and vote?

 

maybe some thoughts too would be nice. Looking mostly at You, Ed.

[SinisterDeath]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:42 PM, DPR said:

*** Tigs has withdrawn from the game due to a medical issue with her eyes ***
 

Please welcome Darthe as her replacement.
 

Feel better Tigs!! 

Expand  

Oh damn. I almost sent you a PM Last night to check in on her to, but opted to wait 'till later today.

Get better Tigs!

[Shad_]

Between Heavy and SD I'd always vote Heavy, for what it's worth.

 

Actually I would consider not voting over voting SD because I think a random.org lynch has a higher chance of killing a wolf.

 

berf's still my top choice.

 

I doubt Heavy and berf are wolves together but no flips so just kill the wolfy people.

[Shad_]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:12 PM, Darthe said:

Now that I’m back, a few things.

 

1) I haven’t read past page 10-12ish, except for whatever the current page was a couple of times I peeked in.

 

2) Possibly related to 1 but I don’t know why SD is the wagon.  
 

3) heavy looked wolfy to me every time I peeked in.

 

##vote heavy

Expand  

 

If you look at my posts on page 27 I laid out a pretty long argument for why I'm pretty strongly opposed to lynching SD.  He's night and day different from his wolf game a week ago.  People don't like his play style.  We're wasting a day on him.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 2:24 PM, Shad_ said:

Between Heavy and SD I'd always vote Heavy, for what it's worth.

 

Actually I would consider not voting over voting SD because I think a random.org lynch has a higher chance of killing a wolf.

 

berf's still my top choice.

 

I doubt Heavy and berf are wolves together but no flips so just kill the wolfy people.

Expand  

This sucks. You can't use a random lynch to see how and why people voted.

 

Although we're never gonna get a flip we can still see if people are able to give genuine reasoning or just hobble onto other people's reasons.

 

Also random could be you. Do you want to die?

 

Well live forever in the Twilight Undead world.

[SinisterDeath]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:12 PM, dicetosser1 said:

  On 5/30/2025 at 11:21 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

But the wolves killing Darthe because his wolf reads (me and Berf) were correct is too narrow a thought process.

Expand  

@Turin Turambar @Ithillian Turambar
 

take a look at the above post and see if I’m over reading it for a slip plz?

 

I immeadiately blinked but then made the mistake of thinking.

Expand  

Just to confirm. Is this Heavy's big slip?
 

To clarify, in Darthe's original Post he had BERF and Heavy as his original Wolves, and Leelou, Teph and Peace as one of the others.

 

Considering that I thought that Darthe may have been killed because his list was too accurate, I didn't read Heavy's post as a wolf slip because I was reading that within the greater context of the conversation of what I believe was a rebuttal of the idea that Darthe could or could not have been killed because his "list" was accurate.

@dicetosser1 I do find it interesting that you didn't sweat the person with the most votes saying.. trust the dice, after what happened last game. 😛 

 

@Turin Turambar I'm well aware of the time left. How about we let Heavy stew a bit?

[berf]

Just back from Friday night things. 

 

Will give myself an hour or so to trawl through the thread and kick the tyres on my reads and absorb what's happened. This is my last window to update/do things before hammer deadline due to timezones, just flagging.

 

Let's dive in. 

 

I guess I'm here for the hour if anyone needs anything urgently?

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Sinister isn't voting yet. I'd like to see if he doesn't vote because he'd rather there was a random death.

 

I'd also like to see what Teph is gonna do with his vote now.

[Shad_]

  On 5/30/2025 at 2:32 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

This sucks. You can't use a random lynch to see how and why people voted.

 

Although we're never gonna get a flip we can still see if people are able to give genuine reasoning or just hobble onto other people's reasons.

 

Also random could be you. Do you want to die?

 

Well live forever in the Twilight Undead world.

Expand  

 

The votes throughout the game don't vanish if we don't achieve majority.  Zander went on about this last time I played too when it wasn't even random for the field just tied wagons.  A bit of rng in the kill doesn't nullify everyone's votes leading up to it.  I have him as my top villager so random.org lynch has an 86% chance of killing someone I'm less confident about.

I'm not even advocating for that, I'm just advocating to not lynch SD.  Haven't read Turin's case yet and probably won't get a chance to before EoD but I didn't even see anyone tell me I'm wrong, just a generic hesitance to shift gears late into the phase.

[Ithillian Turambar]

It would be nice if Gud came out of her cave of secrets and voted too.

 

With reasons.

 

And Eddie...  lmao

[Ithillian Turambar]

This game may be an unrelenting void of uncertainty, but I still don't want to die because of Random.org

 

Also that totally lets people off of making votes and giving reasons.

 

And also means it's possible that the Mafia could achieve a Lynch on someone that would never have been gotten by a legitimate poll.

 

So you advocating for it sucks 1,000,000 times over.

[DPR]

  

Current Vote Count:
 

Sinister (4) - Ithi, Turin, berf, peace

Teph (1) - Lee

Tarthe/Digs (1) - Teph

Heavy (2)- dice, Tarthe/Digs

berf (2) - Shad, Heavy

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. 
 

Deadline @ 4 pm EST on Friday ( May 30th) 

 

5 hours

 

*Countdown clock link at top of OP

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 2:24 PM, Shad_ said:

Actually I would consider not voting over voting SD because I think a random.org lynch has a higher chance of killing a wolf.

Expand  

Mathematically, this is incorrect.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 2:37 PM, Shad_ said:

 

The votes throughout the game don't vanish if we don't achieve majority.  Zander went on about this last time I played too when it wasn't even random for the field just tied wagons.  A bit of rng in the kill doesn't nullify everyone's votes leading up to it.  I have him as my top villager so random.org lynch has an 86% chance of killing someone I'm less confident about.

I'm not even advocating for that, I'm just advocating to not lynch SD.  Haven't read Turin's case yet and probably won't get a chance to before EoD but I didn't even see anyone tell me I'm wrong, just a generic hesitance to shift gears late into the phase.

Expand  

I agree that votes don't vanish and we can find a way to glean some Intel from them eventually. 

I disagree that letting the lunch go random is inherently better than lunching any single person even if you THINK  they are town. There are only a few roles that could allow you to KNOW his alignment. If there is a special reason, it should be made clear so we don't waste more time. If you had some sort of investigation that gave you a read on SD then you don't have it anymore so you aren't in danger.

 

My case was all the observations I made that imo cast SD in a bad light. I don't get what you said about agenda because I didn't think he had one last game. Maybe it was just to get bussed so Darthe got cred but DPR and Dice messed that up for them. Personally I'm content with my vote at present. I would consider Heavy or Berf if needed for consolidation. 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I won't vote Heavy. I think he's Town.

 

I would move to Teph or Berf.

[Turin Turambar]

Well, I could do that.

 

Truth is would vote anyone to prevent random. I don't have any alignment checks on anyone.

 

Tempting fate leads to bad things.

 

But we need more people in here participating. 

[SinisterDeath]

  On 5/30/2025 at 3:19 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Mathematically, this is incorrect.

Expand  

I mean from your perspective you're right, but from mine....

 

I know I'm Town, so Mathematically lunching me = 100% hitting town, and Random.org has a ~23-30% chance of hitting a wolf or symp?
Lunching me 100% < 70% Random.org Lunching Town.

 

"Statistically" the odds are... well, identical. Whether you follow a train or random.org. The difference is random.org isn't being manipulated by wolves. 😛 

Now... do I suggest we just let it go to random.org instead of lunching someone as town? 

Probably not. The dice gods can be unforgiving bastards, and... DPR's rolling them.

 

But also, I don't think it's in Towns best interest to lunch me.

[Turin Turambar]

*I would...

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 3:46 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Truth is would vote anyone to prevent random. I don't have any alignment checks on anyone.

Expand  

Even someone you believe is Town?

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 3:46 PM, SinisterDeath said:

I mean from your perspective you're right, but from mine....

 

I know I'm Town, so Mathematically lunching me = 100% hitting town, and Random.org has a ~23-30% chance of hitting a wolf or symp?
Lunching me 100% < 70% Random.org Lunching Town.

 

"Statistically" the odds are... well, identical. Whether you follow a train or random.org. The difference is random.org isn't being manipulated by wolves. 😛 

Now... do I suggest we just let it go to random.org instead of lunching someone as town? 

Probably not. The dice gods can be unforgiving bastards, and... DPR's rolling them.

 

But also, I don't think it's in Towns best interest to lunch me.

Expand  

Hey... you could always vote someone.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 3:51 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Even someone you believe is Town?

Expand  

Yes. I dont Know they are town. No.matter how much I think they are town they might not be. Darthe last game and in Hamilton. You in the other game. I thought you guys were town. Pretty convinced of it. But you weren't. 

The adverse ramifications of a random hitting a valuable person/role is too high to allow our guess to hurt town.