90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Ironeyes]

43 minutes ago, RandA lThor said:

Congrats Marsh!

Thanks!

[ed2funy]

12 hours ago, Tigraine said:

Sorry!  I'm here.  I had a .... situation... that distracted me. 

 

I'm gonna read and catch up then will join the fun.

 

Thanks for the summary Verbal. Lol

 Talking with your scummy friends

[ed2funy]

Vote: Tigs

 

hi

[keyholder21]

18 hours ago, Ironeyes said:

I'm still trying to remember how everyone plays. It's strangely easier to evaluate the people I haven't played with before because I can approach them de novo. But so far the emotional reactions quoted below have tilted my evaluation of Heavy toward one of (a) guilty or (b) new at this and very afraid of being lynched. I don't like the part where he goes after the mods. That makes Ed look better by comparison because he's poking and prodding just as Turin has been. 

 

 

 

 

This inclusion of Turin seems weird, especially since Turin hasn't posted in awhile.

 

18 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Hands up! You got me. 

 

See I'm Town, I have got nothing to say. No way I can get suspicion off me. Nothing to pin suspicion on anyone, until they say stuff that is suspicious. Nothing much to say but lay out wolf bait for them to jump on. Did you jump on?

 

Overreaction? I wouldn't have said so, but that is of course your prerogative. 

 

Hmm, another joining the "Heavy is it" bandwagon.

 

It would be annoying if being suspicious of me was NAI. Would crimp my style slightly. I guess you have to ask yourself, who is more benefited by "a post that says nothing" a wolf or town? And who is more benefited by calling out "a post that says nothing" as AI? I'm not saying anything as Town, I have nothing to say. 

 

What is argument against me again? What have I done that is in the favour of the wolves?

 

Must say I am not a fan of Marsh's false dichotomy - but as it is regarding me, I guess that is understandable. What is everyone else's thoughts?

 

First bold - why is being suspicious of you AI?  We don't know what you are?? It would be weirder, imo, if someone didn't act suspicious of another player.  Especially one, and I do not mean to be mean here, that is speaking in an over the top manner.

 

Italics - It's better for a wolf because then they can look like they are active without having to actually do anything. How is a post saying nothing good for town?? 

 

18 hours ago, Ironeyes said:

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade What is your style? I haven't played with you before so give me the elevator pitch. 

 

I play by evaluating incentive structures. People who are desperate not to die (and who therefore react strongly to suspicion) must have a reason. Wolves are outnumbered, so they have a reason to want to stay alive. So do town with important roles, but those have a way to alleviate suspicion by claiming later if they can't use words to do it. 

 

First bold - Okay, sure, ask him I guess, but why did you also not ask other people who have played in the other games with him? Or ask Ithi, who observed him as mod in those games??

 

Second bold - I get that, but also, people get invested and just don't want to die lol.  This is something I think I'm better at now that I'm older but I definitely got attached way back when.

 

18 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

My style? I hate you all, I don't trust any of you and am willing to rip your faces off as you take me down. Probably something like that. 

 

Or I suppose more truthfully, everyone thinks I am super suspicious, everyone ignores all my reasoning, I whine like a little b**ch about how everyone hates me, most people say "sounds like frustrated town". But wait til I actually rand wolf, then you will all think I'm a wolf and eliminate me... wait, there is a flaw in that plan... meh, flaws can be worked out.

 

Basically I'm a professional decoy.

 

LOL on your first sentence.

 

Bold - Can you see how if you are town this isn't helpful at all???

 

17 hours ago, ed2funy said:

Zombie Jesus hitting a bleazy weekend.

 

All I hear is awwwooo lmao but I feel like this is a pup who is just overwhelmed. A little fox confused for a wolf? 

 

Zombie jesus; bleazy 😆.

 

So you thinking he's a wolf or overwhelmed town?  Because you are implying both???

 

17 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Dice distracting with out of game posts. Where have I seen that before? lol, seriously are we sure that you aren't all wolves?

 

Hey, it happened last game lolololol.

[Ithillian Turambar]

1 minute ago, keyholder21 said:

Hey, it happened last game lolololol.

That was not my intention lol

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

That was not my intention lol

You’re tip-toeing. You need to strut. 😎

[keyholder21]

17 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

he means ithi who modded the games he played

 

 

wannabe govt?  From someone whose lead bull a guy whose name sounds like frump??

 

besides I wasn’t a lawyer.  I just had to put up with them and tell them they were wrong a lot…..

 

so yeah TONS of shade my friend TONS!

 

Bold - How did you know this??

 

 

17 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

If you aren't an enigmatic bosomy Aes Sedai, no, no I don't.

 

And if I could speak simpler, don't you think I would? So rude.

 

And I'm not upset. This is how I normally speak. You probably have a good chance of telling the difference. I wasn't joking about the whining like a b**ch part. But this time I'm going to be mentally stronger. Just watch me! Or if Dice has his way eliminated on D1 for the lols. Fine by me either way.

 

Bold - what do you mean by this?

 

16 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

So Turin is trying to take us out of joke vote stage, DPR is pretending to scum hunt, and Heavy is either currently on meth or has a post restriction.

 

Yep, all caught up.

 

Bold - Pretending is an interesting word choice.  Why, out of all the discussion would you focus on DPR, and why choose pretending??

 

12 hours ago, Tigraine said:

Sorry!  I'm here.  I had a .... situation... that distracted me. 

 

I'm gonna read and catch up then will join the fun.

 

Thanks for the summary Verbal. Lol

 

Wolfy pop-in, imo.

[Ironeyes]

49 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well if the Mod did more frequent updates ...

 

I hate going back pages.

 

But I'll admit to my error. The rest still stands though.

Works for me. Like I said, the rest of it is a reasonable position.

[Nynaeve]

Is it twisted of me that I'm semu gloating not to be in the "traumatized from last game" list for a change?  xD

 

Though I ended up signing up to a Darthe game so clearly I've fallen off the wagon

[Ironeyes]

I'll answer your questions eventually Key. It's difficult to do from my phone because when I quote the post, it removes the context of what you were asking me about and I can't scroll back without losing my post 

[Ironeyes]

31 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

Bold - What do you mean?

 

 

Bold, I didn't get that at all from his posts.  Reads like defense - especially since you didn't address Eddie??

 

I do agree that it doesn't seem to be AI though.  To me Heavy reads like new town, if only because I don't see new scum doubling down on the very thing that someone has called them out for.  I know when I was new scum I preferred to not get entangled with anyone if I could avoid it.

Joke vote part: I was saying that joke votes don't matter usually. Heavy was taking them very seriously. But sometimes they do, so I didn't want to gloss over that. 

 

Memery: I was messing with Turin. He was trying to make the game serious and I was saying that we might fluff post right over the top of him.

 

As for my take on Heavy, how exactly is what I said any different from him being new town, as you said? I said he sounds like the new kid on a block of people who all know each other already.

[keyholder21]

8 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I guess you are supposed to tap in the box before you do the quote things. I'll go back to this ^^^ in a second.

 

Anyways, I was going to start with that Heavy is heavy on the prose, and yes I do know that very well.

 

But the reaction on my vote was massive. He went from I hate you you wolfy wuffer, to it's not fair you all pick on me, to well I guess this is the way it must be, to I don't care Lynch me anyways. Basically the five stages of grief in like, 3 pages? Wasn't expecting quite so much.

 

Ok back to my attempt to quote stuff from Marsh with his reactions to Heavy. 1st post, says no alignment read on Heavy.  2nd post puts alignment as Mafia 1st but still might be Town. 3rd post unvotes. 4th post Asks Heavy to explain his posts. Mafia who doesn't want to die or Town with important roles.

 

So now I'm thinking. Is Marsh a Mafia who knows Heavy is Town or is Marsh a Mafia who is trying to help out a team mate? 

 

Either way, I now have Marsh as Mafia twice and Heavy only once. Which means, in the What's behind that Door? Game, you always pick the other door.

 

Vote Ironeyes (Marsh)

 

 

 

I don't hate it.  I didn't notice before but it is weird to put mafia first when discussing alignments, imo.

 

7 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Also mentioning this because for Lols would be ok if you were not actually voting him at this point. But you are.

 

Lols is a way to deflect from your vote? Did you vote him cos you thought he was Mafia or cos it was easy to follow along? 

 

I don't feel like this is AI for dice??

 

6 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Sustained.

 

What do you mean?

 

5 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

We still need more content from a fair bit of players.

 

So far feeling unsure about dice and quite possibly Marsh.

 

Currently putting Heavy on suicide watch lol

 

More from some players for sure.

 

What's making you unsure about dice?

 

LOL Re: Heavy.

 

 

5 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Why are you not actively playing the game or looking for the mafia? 

 

Misrep, imo.  He said "when" he isn't actively playing.

[keyholder21]

17 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

I'll answer your questions eventually Key. It's difficult to do from my phone because when I quote the post, it removes the context of what you were asking me about and I can't scroll back without losing my post 

 

Understandable. While I like lots of things about new DM, I very much dislike that quotes within quotes has disappeared.

[Ithillian Turambar]

13 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

Misrep, imo.  He said "when" he isn't actively playing.

Already apologised for not being able to understand that so not sure why you would try to make it seem like I didn't.

[keyholder21]

5 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So not a lot going on.

 

Not sure I like Marsh's reasoning about me having to be mafia or a power role or whatever, it seems to be reaching too far. But will need to see where he goes with that reasoning. What other data he collects.

 

Don't really like Dice's eliminating for the lols - but again, lols is hardly AI and he has not really taken it anywhere - hasn't manufactured an argument and then doubled down or anything like that.

 

Didn't like Ithi's reasoning for her vote on me - but it was early doors and someone has to make the first real vote. But Ithi is also casting suspicion on nearly everyone that says something - which I would be a lot more suspicious of if I wasn't doing the same thing. So there is that.

 

Ed is poking people but not really contributing, and that pretty much goes for everyone else in terms of solving but at this point I don't think I can argue that it is AI, there has not really been enough activity to hunt for wolves in. Easter weekend and all that. Things should heat up towards DL, though I have seen that unless at least one wolf is actually under suspicion that can hurt rather than help.

 

Submitting a feels post without having to be asked for it, pro town move, although it is pretty mild on feels/reads.

 

5 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

This is Ironeyes first post.

How does Dice know he's a lawyery-type person?

 

Heavy, if you are town, maybe more zen Heavy and less RP Heavy. The latter muddies your intentions and imo detracts from your perceptive abilities. 

 

Currently agreeing with Nyn about Ithi leaning town, Dice and Ironeyes leaning mafia.

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Also wombat best rodent, lol

 

 

Bold - I laughed.

 

Reasoning for your reads??

 

Also, Turin, your lack of involvement in the game so far is sketching me out.

 

5 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

I kinda would have liked Dice to answer.

 

 

Nevermind,  prolly too late now.

 

 

Why only dice? Seems like an odd necessity.  It was in the sign up thread??

 

 

 

[keyholder21]

Okay, gotta get to another family thing.  I'll try to come back tonight to finish catching up.

[Zander?]

18 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

@Zander? I’m going home to watch this

 

should we start a mania thread for chatting about it you reckon?

 

Long live Mami!!

 

Not happy with Night 1 at all!!!!!!

[Ithillian Turambar]

5 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Wombats are my absolute favourite 

 

 Difficult to understand.  I read back and can see now you were saying that people find you suspicious, even when you are not playing Mafia.

 

Which is still a very odd and somewhat troubling thing to say.

God I hate that you made me go back to find this and now you've just dipped out.

 

See ^^^

 

Also I am still very much feeling that Heavy might be Mafia. As you can see, in his more recent posts, he is perfectly capable of posting in regular sentences. 

 

I still feel that his initial posts were overly crafted and careful to say nothing at all and I'm not sure why a Town person would feel they needed to be that careful. 

 

But then the sudden pop up defence from Marsh made him far more interesting.

 

Damage control?

[Zander?]

Happy Easter everyone!!!! 💖 ❤️ ❤️ 

[Nynaeve]

46 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

 

I don't hate it.  I didn't notice before but it is weird to put mafia first when discussing alignments, imo.

 

 

I don't feel like this is AI for dice??

 

 

What do you mean?

 

 

More from some players for sure.

 

What's making you unsure about dice?

 

LOL Re: Heavy.

 

 

 

Misrep, imo.  He said "when" he isn't actively playing.

 

"Sustained" was in reply to Marsh answering my question. I was joking, using court slang. it's when a lawyer raises an objection to the judge amd the judge accepts it. I guess I'm not as funny as I thought 😜 

 

As for dice, I'm willing to call it a feeling right now. It started with him lightly shading me for joke voting him around the time Marsh did.

 

Then his reaction to heavy isn't exactly what I'd expect, I suppose. I would think dice would be more understanding to a noob losing it from possibly mere inexperience and/or an inherent tendency to be a scummy player regardless of rand. This is of course loosely based on my impression thus far and is contingent to that impression being correct, but his lol welcome to mafia, I'd lynch you cause you've never been lynched before... dunno.

 

Plus, and this could be me just being extremly self centered (lol), but considering I haven't played in over two years, that he got me to sign up, and factoring in our usual dynamics in games, I feel like he's being a bit stand offish with me thus far. Ie might be keeping a bit of a distance. Begs the question, why? I'm pretty awesome.

 

In any case, I'd really like him to place an actual serious vote. Cause the shift from Marsh to heavy isn't doing it for me. If he actually gave the impression that he was suss of heavy then I prolly wouldn't mind it. But that's not the case. 

[Nynaeve]

It's really annoying that you can't read all of the posts in the thread of one specific player. Or is there a way I'm unaware of?

[Nynaeve]

I'm on my phone mostly when I check in if that's a consideration

[Nynaeve]

Key looking good so far, imo. Inquisitive.

[Ithillian Turambar]

4 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

It's really annoying that you can't read all of the posts in the thread of one specific player. Or is there a way I'm unaware of?

The best thing we have now is to click on a person's picture and then the little newspaper thing on their profile.

 

Bit that gives ALL their posts everywhere.

 

Sadly no ISO anymore and we've asked, so it might be an impossible thing.

[Turin Turambar]

48 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

 

Submitting a feels post without having to be asked for it, pro town move, although it is pretty mild on feels/reads.

 

 

Bold - I laughed.

 

Reasoning for your reads??

 

Also, Turin, your lack of involvement in the game so far is sketching me out.

 

 

Why only dice? Seems like an odd necessity.  It was in the sign up thread??

 

 

 

My reads are based on opinions of town behaviour from Ithi and Nyn. The questioning, and looking at little things from Ithi. General tone and something I've forgotten from Nyn. I'll have to look back. Dice said he would be willing to lynch Heavy regardless of alignment. That is antitown behaviour.  He engaged in anti Town behaviour last game and was mafia. Ironeyes did seem to be defending Heavy. Regardless of Heavy's alignment it seems early to defend anyone. 

 

My activity is down in part because I'm a bit broken from last game. I'm taking it a little slower while I settle in. Also, I've been watching ALL OF THE REACTIONS to episode 8, which has been enjoyable and enlightening. But that's for another thread.

 

I admit I didn't really follow the sign up too closely for above reasons. I also wanted to hear his response directly.