90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Ithillian Turambar]

Because you are Marsh

[Zander?]

14 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

What?  You did help!

 

I think one of your posts started a new page and made is easier for the real heroes (like me) to find Ed's lie.  So you played a huge role!

 

 

 

 

I kid, I kid.

 

I was the one and ONLY one to discover eds lie lololololol 

[Zander?]

3 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Also why oh why would anyone use TurinMarsh to refer to my current player slot when Turineyes is right there? 

 

Because Turineyes are Wolfyeyes are you claiming Wolf here?!?!?!

 

Lololololol 

[Ironeyes]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Because Turineyes are Wolfyeyes are you claiming Wolf here?!?!?!

 

Lololololol 

Bad puns = wolfy behavior obv 

[Zander?]

5 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Bad puns = wolfy behavior obv 

 

False and Wolfy Misrep

 

LAL!!!!

 

Lunch all Turineyes!!!!!

 

Lololololol 

[Ironeyes]

On 4/26/2025 at 7:45 PM, Tigraine said:

 

I wasn't asking Iron to reveal the role PM.  Just wondering it the one specifying the part about the condemner knowing the character name.  It may be nothing, like I said, but I don't like to assume that something means something when it doesn't say it.  Darthes clarification doesn't say that the condemner would know the character... it doesn't say they won't.   But Turin said they did.  So if one player was given information about a role that is not theirs, then it's something we should all know.  The games you played with Turin? Was he scum? Have you ever played with him where he wasn't town? If so, was gameplay different or no?

 

I will go back and get all the quotes by me in reference to my suspicion of Rand if you'd like but it will take awhile.

 

I didn't think it was scummy that Rand saved the unCCd cop.  I thought it was weird that immediately afterwards, he denied believing the claim saying something like "nice try" then turned straight around and voted for Marsh.  That was 1 thing that made me kinda raise my eyebrows.  However, Rand finally did go and explain that part to where it made sense.  He said the post saying nice try was in regards to Dice's soft claims....it took him awhile to explain that part but that's what he's referring to about me sussing someone for "saving" the claimed cop.

 

There were other reasons, in addition to that, which caused me to sus him more.  Deadline was approaching, he was posting nonstop.  One liners.  To me this made the whole thing more chaotic.  It seemed like anyone getting on to hurry and catch up needed way less spam to wade through. If the claimed cop would've gotten lynched because no one had time to catch it, then Rand would've had a bit of deniability in that he unvoted...wasn't his fault someone else hammered. 

 

I also found it sus that he demanded a hard claim when Dice was soft claiming.  I've been told now by others that it wasn't so obvious but to me at the time it was.

 

Finally, adding all of those up mixed with the fact that he absolutely could not believe anyone found his actions scummy (and i mean absolutely, he went on about it ceaselessly for days) and i really and truly though he was scum.

 

As I said, I will get all the posts and all the times I've had to clarify my posts due to people saying things like I thought it was sus because he saved the unCCd cop or rand's claim that I was sussing him for being too active.  It got old, very fast, and it was more than Rand or Heavy.  

 

 

as much as i would like it to be aa easy as Rand made it look with getting ed to slip up, it isnt.  We have to catch moments and nuances and push to see what shakes loose.  It may all be completely irrelevant but it stuck out to me when i was reading the stuff about Heavy's supposed slip.  

 

Heavy is still up on my list. As I was reading the stuff about his supposed slip, that's when I came across, maybe you, had quoted Turin.  While I was reading his quotes, I saw that about the condemner knowing the random character.  It pinged right then with Darthes clarification and the addition to the OP.  Everyone was making such a big deal out of the fact that Heavy used the word "random" as did the OP but in a different context.  So seeing the word "character" in a different context stood out.  The moment i saw that, I thought it was a slip of some sort.  

 

Nyns question of why would Turin tell us that if he was the condemner and needed to find a specific character, because he went on to say maybe we shouldn't name characters, was a really good point.   But it doesn't mean I'm wrong that he isn't town.  Maybe he is.  Maybe he misunderstood exactly what Darthe meant and paraphrased wrong.  Maybe he's mafia and has some other reason to not want people to out their names so he used the uncertainty of the condemner specifics to get that out there while looking like a good little townie....I honestly don't know but there is something not right about it.

 

That why I was trying to get Darthe to clarify if that part is correct or hoped they had forwarded the specific PM that Turin received.  With Turin not being here, I can't get the clarification I need to put it to rest in my mind. 

 

As for my suspicions of marsh...idk.  it's hard for me to move past the sus when i cant find out if Turin just misinterpreted accidentally, if Darthe forgot to give us all the info, or if Turin had reasons to want everyone to believe that the condemner knows the specific character. 

 

So... you made an angleshooty case on me, saw it wasn't going anywhere, and decided to pivot to the next competing train to save yourself? 

 

On 4/27/2025 at 4:10 AM, DPR said:

My first thought this morning is that the RB’er is sweating right now - this slot pretty much solves the game in a hurry, so who reflects that kind of pressure?

How exactly? Lynching a mafia member in general would go a long way to solving this game of course. But why the roleblocker specifically? The only downstream effect I can see from the RB dying is that Dice dies the following night with no doc to protect him. 

[keyholder21]

I just lost all the posts I was replying to.  Super fun.

 

30 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Anyway, I am drawing a line under my involvement in this game. I can feel that my WiM is threatening to turn into my burn-everything-to-the-ground. I don't want to go there. 

 

So I have done enough to convince you all, or I haven't. Good luck to you all, hope your foot heals well, Tig, and I'll see you all in the next one. 

 

Or tomorrow, depending. Of course.

 

So, I haven't liked Heavy's play like at all this game it feels like - what I've read anyway lololol, but this does look townie to me. 

 

What happened to Tig's foot?

 

23 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

For what it's worth, I had you as town - aka I'm not voting you today.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong (but I think I'm right).

 

Why do you have Heavy as town?

[Ironeyes]

On 4/27/2025 at 7:47 AM, Zander? said:

Like I'm pretty ok with WTL today being Heavy/Tig prolly in that order personally but I'd vote Tig to get Maj or hammer i forget what it is LOLOLOLOL.

 

I have 2 Worldviews well more if DPR and or Dice is lying about claim lol

 

It's also way to quiet considering deadline is in a few hours!!!!

Bad puns aside, Zander's position is very close to my state of mind also. I'd like to see either Heavy or Tigraine be the lynch today. Heavy's flip does more to help me solve other people, so I'm slightly more interested in him today. 

 

23 hours ago, Tigraine said:

 

I responded to her last post.  Not sure how much more I can do to get the discussion going.  

 

I find it hard to believe that you aren't more interested in this Turin thing.  You're the one that was hot on the trail of Heavy for using the word random even though it wasn't in the same context used by darthe in his clarification.   This is about someone providing information NOT provided by the mod.  

Bookmarking this for myself. If Tigraine dies and flips scum, DPR gets a push in the direction of town on my list (independent of the claimed Hider role). It doesn't seem likely for a teammate to fake this kind of thing, where she admits to fishing for his approval on a case. 

 

22 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

As we seem to be gearing up to show time for D3, is there anything I can do to save my shapely Townie rear end? I have to admit I kind of doubt it. But I'm all ears to any suggestions. 

 

Still kind of sketched out by Key. Why did she go through my reasons for sussing DPR? I only posted them as Ithi asked - I was hardly pushing a case as no one is going to vote for a unCC'd role, which seems to be the general consensus at least. And I'm totally discredited as someone to trust, so why did she spend so much effort on going over it? DPR will be CCd or revealed or he won't be. Why further make me look bad? I guess it could be because she thinks I'm mafia, but it rubs me the wrong way because I'm not mafia and there are two people out there that know this. And also it wasn't a case against me, it was discrediting my reads which are not relevant at all and neither are bad reads (if they are) exactly AI. 

[DPR]

29 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

@DPR

 

You're not allowed to ask anymore questions until you answer the Page 32 shenanigans!!!

 

Lololololol ...but seriously answer please

After N3 is over I will. No need to go there right now. Also, it’s been blown out of proportion by now, so don’t expect the winning lottery numbers or anything sheesh

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Just how? I mean....

 

Im really actually trying you guys.... sometimes it just .......happens....sadface gif 

[Ironeyes]

21 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Actually I'd like to copy Tig's request. If I'm being run up I think everyone should need to be explicit in their case on me. Letting wolves slank away with "he's always been high on my list" I don't think I'd good enough. 

 

Particularly I think anyone calling my behaviour (that I still am outraged is considered AI, but it is what it is) on D1 being a reason to vote now when it wasn't on D1 or D2. That, as I called at the time (and DPR gave me an Oscar for, so obviously he agrees), seems incredibly wolfy behaviour. 

Well since you asked. Laying aside all tone discussion, there are three things. First, your reads on people are almost exclusively mirroring of others. For example, you started town reading me just after Verbal did, and you started heavily sussing DPR just after I went after him. Second, you've used a pity-based emotional appeal twice now to try and push heat off of yourself. That self-vote was one. Third, knowing your alignment for sure, whichever way it is, solves several other people for me and makes winning this game more likely. 

[DPR]

45 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

For the record:

 

Dice

DPR

 - un-cc'd town roles (but both on Marsh1's lynch)

 

 

Nyn (deepwolf tinfoil)

Zander

Heavy

Key (town read, but on Marsh1's lynch)

 - town reads

 

 

 

Marsh2

 - Turin was all over me and never bought me dinner, so this is sort of a null slot for me

 

 

 

Tig

Ithi

 - my POE (Ithi from Marsh1 lynch and Tigs due to just math)

 

Slanktastic post 👍 I might remove you from my core for this lol
 

28 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

 

How exactly? Lynching a mafia member in general would go a long way to solving this game of course. But why the roleblocker specifically? The only downstream effect I can see from the RB dying is that Dice dies the following night with no doc to protect him. 

Weird question from you after you already stated that you’d rather lynch mafia than 3p, but okay. 

RB’s death resolves dice the next night, which goes a long way to resolving the game? 
 

The way I see it, GF will be playing more out front and RB will be conservative, trying to not get got. 

[Ironeyes]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

Weird question from you after you already stated that you’d rather lynch mafia than 3p, but okay. 

RB’s death resolves dice the next night, which goes a long way to resolving the game? 
 

The way I see it, GF will be playing more out front and RB will be conservative, trying to not get got. 

Thanks, that actually does answer my question. I read that to mean you thought the roleblocker dying would mechanically solve the game. If it's more about play style then it makes so much more sense. 

[Ironeyes]

17 hours ago, DPR said:

Look in the bright side, if you swing town, focus will turn to everyone you’ve called out and you’ll get street cred if they turn out to be wolves. 
 

What’s more likely is that Ithi, who has put in a solid amount of work solving the game, is town and Key, who several people have listed as their tinfoil deep wolf, is also town, and they’ve both been making sense the entire game. Lol

10 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

What are talking about? Gallows humour is reserved for those mounting the gallows and it is still meant to funny. 

 

I see you aren't very confident in your own case and I'm sure that street cred will do me good when I'm confirmed town and dead. So definitely something to look forward to. 

When town wins, dead town members win with them. I get that you don't want to die, but DPR is right about people paying more attention to your cases once they have confirmation that you're town. And that street cred is directed at future games.

 

20 hours ago, Tigraine said:

 

While looking for the stuff I am trying to find, I found this.  Was just wondering where Verbal stands in this now...??

 

 

Obviously you're back with a different role but any thoughts on how you felt at the time? @dicetosser1 weren't you confident as well about needing to check these folks?

 

Of the 5 votes Marsh had, Rand is the only one now dead and he flipped Doc.  So how are we not at all considering the likelihood of scum being at least 1 of these 4?

 

Anyway, back to my hunting.  Just thought I'd throw that out there. 

At the time I was primarily directing my post-hammer ire at DPR and Ithi, the ones who had really driven my mislynch. DPR has since claimed a town role and nobody has bothered to counterclaim, so I have to put him in the "do not lynch" pile. Ithi, as you can see from my various read lists, made her way up to null by helping get Ed, then has read more town over the course of D3 to me. 

More importantly, bringing up D1 wagonomics is an interesting choice. D2 wagonomics would be more valuable IMO, or even a comparison of the two. Smells of distraction. 

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count

Heavy - (3/6) Dice, Nyn, Zander

Tig (2/6): Ithi, DPR

Key - (1/6) Heavy

Not Voting
Marsh2, Verb, Key, Tig

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Countdown to EOD

[Nynaeve]

Am I the only one that finds it odd that heavy isnt voting tigs?

[DPR]

7 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Am I the only one that finds it odd that heavy isnt voting tigs?

You may be the only one paying attention to Heavy 🤷‍♂️

[Ironeyes]

6 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Null:

Turin/Marsh - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. Not convinced by the 3p argument, but it is something to keep in mind I suppose though not sure how that will help.

Is the bold in reference to me post-sub? You didn't make a clear distinction between Turin's actions and mine since taking his place. If it is about me, some clarification would be nice, or examples. I'd like to think I've given good explanations for each read I've "walked back." 

 

6 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon:

Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train. Really don't like how much of her limited time she devoted to my read of DPR - seems such a waste given the circumstances and I don't get what the point of it was.

Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there. Given the whole situation with DPR this makes me doubt my thoughts on Tigs. Not sure if her take on Rand is enough to have her high in my reads any more. 

Both of my other scum reads in the scum lean section. That just makes me more confident that two of the three of you are mafia. 

 

6 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Would shoot with silver bullets:

Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted. And still is.

Bit of a pot-kettle thing here. This reads list is the first time I recall you posting about anyone other than DPR, Ithi, me, or Tigraine the entire game. 

 

6 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light.

You're wrong here. Dice claiming cop only buys him a day if he's lying, because the real cop can then counterclaim. That gets one of them lynched immediately, and if the real cop is the one lynched then Dice is dead meat the following day. So it's two days max. 

[Ironeyes]

1 hour ago, Zander? said:

 

False and Wolfy Misrep

 

LAL!!!!

 

Lunch all Turineyes!!!!!

 

Lololololol 

Welp, you all saw him force my hand. Vote Zander

 

Actually though. I wouldn't mind a Tigraine lynch but Heavy is equally sus and his flip is higher equity in the solving-the-game department. Vote Heavy

[Verbal32]

1 hour ago, Nynaeve said:

 

So who's scum?

 

My POE seems like a solid start imo.

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

Slanktastic post 👍 I might remove you from my core for this lol
 

Weird question from you after you already stated that you’d rather lynch mafia than 3p, but okay. 

RB’s death resolves dice the next night, which goes a long way to resolving the game? 
 

The way I see it, GF will be playing more out front and RB will be conservative, trying to not get got. 

 

Have fun with that.

 

And you make some assumptions in this post.  You assume scum will all be against Dice, making it easy to figure them out with his death.  Some may have bussed hard, some not.  All the RB's lynch does is make sure Dice dies that night and then we still have to solve from there.

 

Why does the GF have to do anything different?  They are never getting viewed.  As soon as RBer is dead, scum will NK Dice.  I don't understand where this post comes from with you.

 

You're weird.

[Ithillian Turambar]

The problem I have with Heavy is that a lot of my feeling come from that first day and the fact that I changed my vote. Because what if my heebie jeebie detector was right.

 

And then he calmed down a bit.

 

But since then he's been mostly focused on DPR because of something he says DPR did to Marsh. And it always struck me as off that I wasn't equally blamed for that. So it was like he was avoiding me.

 

And then when I went back to Heavy he sulked again.

 

And I know DPR says he might actually be 3rd Party?

 

So... I'm not gonna rehash the whole thing again, but I have read through most of this Game so many times now, I think I can get it out there without having to find the damn quote again.

 

No. I'm gonna go find the quote.

 

On 4/23/2025 at 9:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

 

Right. What if, after Turin told everyone not to give their character names, this is what the role basically became. A random shot in the night.

 

And Heavy was ticked off about that because he thought it was gonna be super exciting. And this is Heavy grumping that it's not now.

 

I mean if the random target is killed by other means I think it will become an exciting role. But so far we've had no kills on Night 1 and then 1 kill on Night 2.

 

So maybe I am wrong about Heavy, because he is the 3rd party and not Mafia. And his uncanny valley fly casual posts, that he himself said were 100 neutral and not aligment indicative were because he was trying to be super neutral.

 

That could also explain why he doesn't have strong Town reads on anyone. And why his Mafia reads are mostly DPR Because he doesn't care who is Town and who is Mafia.

 

But that doesn't explain why Heavy would not just vote Tigs.

[DPR]

21 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Have fun with that.

 

And you make some assumptions in this post.  You assume scum will all be against Dice, making it easy to figure them out with his death.  Some may have bussed hard, some not.  All the RB's lynch does is make sure Dice dies that night and then we still have to solve from there.

 

Why does the GF have to do anything different?  They are never getting viewed.  As soon as RBer is dead, scum will NK Dice.  I don't understand where this post comes from with you.

 

You're weird.

Damn, dawg, I was just joking. You don’t have to get all defensive 🤣😳

 

And why is everybody talking about dice as if he’s cleared? 
 

Anyway, it’s just nice to see you post lololololol

[Tigraine]

3 hours ago, DPR said:

@Tigraine

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade

 

As briefly as possible, will you describe why you believe there was no NK on N1? List all of the possibilities you see. 

I have no earthly idea.  Unless they targeted out hider (you?maybe) 

 

I see no point in killing a useless cop. (Sorry Dice...if you really are the cop)

[Tigraine]

3 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Are you saying DPR is lying about being Hider?

Idk if he is or not. But I know that he knows causing chaos isn't likely to draw a NK without some serious sus on a scum mate...or at least, that's my opinion.  Why kill someone that keeps town distracted?

[Tigraine]

3 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Is this real ife?

 

 

 

 

Some stuff has happened, in case you missed it.  Dice and DPR are un-cc'd town roles, Ithi helped get scum!Ed D2, and Key is the one person I was town reading on this train.

 

Tell me exactly what I should be doing, as I clearly haven't looked at the D1 lynch.

 

I'll wait.

You mean to tell me that you believe wholeheartedly that there were no scum on that train? 

 

For real?  

 

I'll wait