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I can elaborate on my Zander read since I didn't explain it much. I'm seeing two things in this thread: Happy Zander and ADHD Zander. Based on my memories of playing with him before, those are town signs. Town Zander is generally in a good mood but dives after whatever leads come up. Then if those go nowhere he's perfectly willing to change his mind. See, for example, how quickly he voted Heavy a few hours ago when he thought there had been a slip, and how quickly he unvoted when Ithi (I think?) pointed out that it wasn't so. Meanwhile Scum Zander tunnels and has a generally more PO'd outlook. 

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Let’s go ahead and extend deadline by a day, sundays are hard.

 

re condemner: their wincon is in the OP.  They win on their own but the game continues, so they’re not fussed about which team they win with.  If they become an SK and make it to an F2 scenario with mafia, wolves win the tie.  If they get to F2 with town they win.  This all tracks with the wincons listed in the OP.

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  On 4/26/2025 at 1:19 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

That I in your post better stand for Ithi or 

 

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Nope the I stood for me Zander myself and I lololololol.   You found one post I found the other and I combined them so basically if you ask me

 

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I did everything myself.... LOLOLOLOLOL 

 

IthiGOAT and I proved it❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 1:25 PM, dicetosser1 said:


NO!! The best you can do is not take one for the team but stay alive and help the team find the baddies!  Or if your scum stay alive and help beat town!

 

you DONT just give up! What you need to learn is

 

dont take it personally

 

how to make your thought known clearly

 

how to NOT give up

 

want an example of not giving up?  I’m well and truly sick of not being believed in this game.  I’ve seriously had it. But I keep grinding my teeth and fighting because town needs me. My role is completely useless and for some reason this game no one wants to believe the cop claim even tho it’s unccd.

 

want an example of giving up and why it’s bad? You SAW me do it. The only differences between that game and this? I didn’t have a role that was needed and I actually thought lento was town and ina stronger position then me so I”took one for the team”. And what happened? I was wrong, Len was scum and we LOST.  And it’s partially on me. Because I gave in.

 

so get your ass in here and fight clearly, thoughtfully.  There’s no guarantee you don’t get lynched anyway but at least your fighting for it.

 

 

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Yes the most important thing to take from this Heavy is that loss was completely Dice's fault and me incorrectly tunnelling Dice into the center of the earth had absolutely 0 effect on the game.....

 

*Runs from Dice*

 

 

LOLOLOLOLOL 

 

Love u Dice 💟 💟 💟 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 1:34 PM, DPR said:


We’ll see when we see. I didn’t take Darthe’s quote that way, hence my question in the first place. 
 

I think I see something. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right. That’s how it goes. 
 

I’m fine with the core’s response - core is usually right. But something about it pings me, so…

I’m adding Ithi to my core today - she’s definitely putting in the effort and good with teh accuracy. 

 

Nyn/Verb/Zander/Ithi

 

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I go from Town to a suspect now?!?!?! LOLOLOLOL you now if ANYONE CCS YOU You will be stung up so fing fast if you're actually a Villager and not lying seriously take a moment and get your head on straight I'm not allowing you to derail Town 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 1:34 PM, DPR said:


We’ll see when we see. I didn’t take Darthe’s quote that way, hence my question in the first place. 
 

I think I see something. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right. That’s how it goes. 
 

I’m fine with the core’s response - core is usually right. But something about it pings me, so…

I’m adding Ithi to my core today - she’s definitely putting in the effort and good with teh accuracy. 

 

Nyn/Verb/Zander/Ithi

 

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Oh I misread that..

My bad.... everything I said only....half true then lololololol 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 2:48 PM, DPR said:


Seems like Tigs and Key are busy. Verb is always scarce on weekends. I can deal if need be, but I would like to hear a lot more from Tigs and Key. 

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I'd rather not but I agree with wanting to hear alot more from Tig and Key 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 2:55 PM, DPR said:


Blame yourself for your mislynch lol

 

as for Heavy, we’ll see how he flips. If he’s not the Condemner, I’ll have made a mistake. I saw something and put it out there - that’s the game. 
 

You got any reads besides me? 

 

 

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No DPR you made the mistake regardless lol.  I still think he's not Town most likely ATP.  Equally Wolf and 3rd party to me at least I thought Turins slot had a good bit of 3rd party equity as well but Imma give Iron time to see if it was just lolme because Turins always Wolfy AF lolololol 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 3:20 PM, Ironeyes said:

On the subject of the condemner though, I'd like to point out that given the choice between lynching a known condemner or a strongly suspected mafia, I'm choosing the mafia.

Darthe said the condemner's target was chosen randomly. 10 players left, 9 not counting the condemner, of which 2 are scum and 7 are town. So the condemner a) could theoretically win alongside town, and b) has a ~22% chance that the character Darthe randomly selected is mafia. Meaning, there's a 22% chance the condemner is a strictly pro-town force unless/until that character gets lynched or night killed, which is still slightly better than the 0% chance of a mafia member being a pro-town force. 

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If you math at me again I will insta lunch you LOLOLOLOL 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 4:55 PM, Zander? said:

 

No DPR you made the mistake regardless lol.  I still think he's not Town most likely ATP.  Equally Wolf and 3rd party to me at least I thought Turins slot had a good bit of 3rd party equity as well but Imma give Iron time to see if it was just lolme because Turins always Wolfy AF lolololol 

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I put my money on the slot lol. My call is Condemner. 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 3:59 PM, DPR said:

 Sorry, lol - I’m very distracted with work and mostly looking at notifications. It’s a bad habit I gotta break. 

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I think you originally told me... oh ok just one game lol

 

I'm so sorry🏴‍☠️

 

 

Not 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 11:17 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

Once again I forgot to put a space.

Was looking for the other thing, but here is Heavy saying he feels Dice is Town but is not acting like Town.

 

 

Here you don't like Tigs, Dice and DPR and Rand

 

 

Here you ask people to act like they are Town. I have questions about this later. Once again saying that DPR not believing Marsh meant that it is misrepping.

 

 

Here is me trying to explain why i think DPR is probably Town. I think the actions hes doing in the game are Town centric and aiming to solve who the Mafia are.

 

 

 

Now this is what I took from this post. You said he is the definition of a wolf. And you also do say his actions are as clear as definite mafia.

 

But then you say that you can't tie his actions into the bigger picture.

 

And so i thought this meant you couldnt see any definite actions that he had made that were Mafia centric.

 

im sorry but wouldn't helping to Lynch Marsh be pretty Mafia centric. The bigger picture for Mafia is GET TOWN LYNCHED.

 

and then you hedge your bets by saying actually you have doubts.

 

So, i thought maybe you were coming out of your Tunnel, because even in your own logic you"d not been able able to show anything that DPR had done - apart from being on the Marsh lynch - that could be part of the Mafia bigger picture.

 

so you are right, and im sorry, you never actually said the words about DPRs actions not being mafia. Bit this post gave me the impression that you were condsidering it.

 

 

 

 

Here you say DPR must be mafia cos he is a meanie head.

 

 

hey here is me even earlier saying that you cant take what someone says as indication of their aligment. You actually do have to look at the actions they take and how they affect the game.

 

 

And yeah here you are back on DPR saying actually no doubt and full on mafia through and through.

 

So yeah hands up. You didn't say that. But I'd got a false impression that maybe because you said you couldn't see how his actions would tie in with the bigger picture. And I read that as the Mafias bigger picture, because you thought he was Mafia. So was hopeful you'd stop tunnelling.

 

So in these few quotes you were sussing Dice, Tigs, Rand, DPR and me. Dice and Rand had been having their back and forth cos Rand was very suss of Dice cop claim.

 

Tigs had been sussed by me and I think Nyn? Fwiw I am with you on Tigs.

 

Can you please tell me what things DPR has done that you feel are Mafia centric actions? Even if you can't tie them to the 'big picture'

 

I will let you include the 'Marsh lie' but maybe a few more actual actions. Because you say ALL his actions so you must have more.

 

Do you think DPRs claim to be the Town Hider is true?

 

 

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Yeah @HeavyHalfMoonBlade I wanted you to tell me the actions that DPR had taken that you felt were not Town.

 

But then I kind of figured you'd sort of answered that because your next posts were all about how your reads were all wrong because the Pirate had a plan blah blah blah.

 

And so I figured if you felt your reads were now wrong you'd decided to accept DPRs claim and I was never gonna get to know what all the actions were.

 

But then you've voted DPR

 

So what is it? If you think he is the Town Hider, why would you vote for him? Even with all today's shenanigans 

 

I still don't think you are Town, but I guess I'm gonna have to consider that you could be the third party.

 

And THAT was actually why you came into the game with all the 'don't look at me I'm the most neutral person ever to neutral ' crafted posts in the beginning. 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 5:03 PM, DPR said:


I put my money on the slot lol. My call is Condemner. 

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The call may be right but you were still wrong about the reason you said lolololol.  But maybe you're subscribing to the  Zander mafia philosophy., better lucky than good lololololol 

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So i have Heavy as Mafia or possibly now 3rd party. And Rand is dead and he was the doc.

 

Tigs was my other possibility for mafia

 

Which means there's someone out there I've not noticed ...

 

OH. That reminds me. I read this before I fell asleep.

 

  On 4/26/2025 at 3:14 PM, Ironeyes said:

I gave my impressions of the whole game just after being subbed in yesterday. You probably didn't read it since it seems you only read every 3rd post this game. Nevertheless, here's a quick list. 

 

Zander - Tone read

Verbal - Here there be WIM and game solving

Dice - Claimed cop and there's been plenty of time for a counterclaim since then. He stays town until I have a good reason to think otherwise.

DPR - Would vote immediately if not for Verbal's unfortunately correct point a few pages back that the real hider, if your claim was fake, would have no reason not to counterclaim. 

Nyn - Kinda coasting off my initial town read, but I haven't seen a reason to downgrade her since then either. 

Ithi - I dislike her reads but she comported herself well during EOD on D2 and helped get rid of a mafia member.

Tigraine - IDK. Orange by default because somebody has to be scum. 

Heavy - Still tone switching a lot, and that self vote was not good. I'm one of those old school people who immediately wants to lynch people who self vote. But I'm also having a hard time imagining this kind of reaction to pressure by anyone with a teammate in a private chat to vent to/get advice from. Although that supposed "slip" definitely didn't happen, I'd still be unsurprised to find out Heavy is the condemner. Playing 3p for the first time would explain a lot. 

Key - Keeps posting long reads lists that don't say all that much. Just feels like she's pretending to hunt and letting the more vocal town members do the heavy lifting. 

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We literally have 2 reads that are the same and my other one, who I thought might be 3rd Party, is dead and was the cop. 

 

Also I'm so happy you found it so easy to find those heavy/darthe quotes on your real actual laptop. Thanks for rubbing that in >.>

 

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I feel better about Ithi. Seems invigorated after getting some pillow time. Pretty astounding patience, gotta say.

 

My WTL for the day are Tigs/heavy. Deepwolf option Key (but not something I plan to pursue today).

 

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  On 4/26/2025 at 5:34 PM, Zander? said:

The call may be right but you were still wrong about the reason you said lolololol.  But maybe you're subscribing to the  Zander mafia philosophy., better lucky than good lololololol 

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Okay, obviously you need this, so: 

 

Yes, Zander, I was wrong.
 

I was wrong about timestamps from an 11 quote mishmash from 40+ pages ago regarding a role that the mod had to modify and clarify multiple times. 
 

Now you can say that you’ve received an official pirate-admission of mistake. 


But that mf’er is still the Condemner lolololol

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  On 4/26/2025 at 10:01 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

It is strange to see you parrot back what he said, ignoring what I've said. 

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It's strange to see you call someone out for doing exactly what you've done to me but whatever 

  On 4/26/2025 at 10:55 AM, Zander? said:

Maybe I missed it but what was that big thing irt page 32?!?????

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Yeah I haven't seen it either. 

  On 4/26/2025 at 11:01 AM, Zander? said:

But both these Ed posts are at Tig...

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Ed is the one who told me about the game.  Hadn't talked to him in awhile and he messaged me on Facebook telling me something along the lines of there was a game with some old school players and it was filling up fast to get my hillbilly @$$ over here lol

 

I was almost always greeted hello in games by him voting for me.  And that's how I took it.

 

Ngl, DPR claiming to stir the pot to draw a NK doesn't make sense.  Mafia doesn't want to NK people who cause chaos or looks scummy because it's easier for them to hide in a group of people that do that.  Just like it's unlikely for them to NK someone who a lot of people find sus unless they suspect a power role in that person.  Why use their kill to take out someone the group is likely to do the next day?

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade it's misleading to say I Sussed you because you wouldn't follow Zander or whatever you said.  I just thought that someone asking you to point out where they done what you said they done or to elaborate on your reads was pretty standard and not responding with evidence as not so standard for town.  THAT is why I sussed you on it.  Add to that your hypocritical "people misrepresent my posts" while misrepresenting someone's post and yeah...that's pretty scummy to me. 

 

@Ithillian Turambar I don't recall if it was you that I responded to but putting me into someone who tries to remain neutral is in fact a misrepresentation of my posts and I've responded in regards to the reasoning for having only found a few people that I found scummy.  When I did feel hard core about someone being scummy, I went after them.  Yes the first one I went all-out Ober has now even confirmed to be the doc so it admittedly doesn't look good on my behalf but th÷ whole interaction was hardly me remaining neutral.  As for my unwillingness to point out other people that look scummy it's because almost everyone does to me.  The reasoning, as stated in my response to someone else in regards to this matter, is because more than a few have misquoted and misrepresented stuff I've said.  I encouraged people to reread and see what I'm talking about.  I am trying to sort through who is doing it on purpose and who is doing it because they're lazy and only skim reading, therefore only catching the misquotes and misreps.

 

@dicetosser1, it was you who I've asked multiple times to tell me where I flip flopped and might have been you that said I agreed with everything DPR said.  Yet I still haven't gotten that.

 

It's another WoT and I'm sorry for that but I'm trying to do my catch up and am responding page by page. These are in response to page 91 of 98 so that's where I've made it to so far.

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  On 4/26/2025 at 11:26 AM, Zander? said:

 

@Nynaeve what was this in reference to about the VC?!?!

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Not trying to speak for her and she may have already responded in the later pages that I haven't made it through but if memory serves, someone was either listed on with 2 different votes or were listed as voting for someone as well as in the not voting section.

 

  On 4/26/2025 at 11:44 AM, Zander? said:

 

Ya this is weird.  Reads weird too.  What was Heavys response to you calling him on it @DPR

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Listen, I'm sus on Heavy as well but you guys are kinda switching this up.  He didn't say the condemner was picking a player randomly selected at the beginning of game.  He was saying the condemner randomly selects a target at night.  That's not the same thing.  

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  On 4/26/2025 at 11:57 AM, Zander? said:

 

So did it say random originally there or not?!?!!!

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  On 4/26/2025 at 11:58 AM, DPR said:
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I'm so confused.  @DPR are you saying because he said "randomly picks a target" that it was knowing more than we knew or that because he knew the condemner would be picking a NK instead of the lynch that it was too much info? 

 

Because if it's the first, I disagree because just because the word "random or randomly" was used, it wasn't the same specific use of the condemner info on OP.  Or even in the description give by Darthe later.  If it's the 2nd part then yeah that's something that definitely makes it sus....if the Night target wasn't something originally stated in the OP. And since it was a modified role for this game.

 

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