90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:08 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I went back to do DPRs requested reading. I'm not sure which conversation he was talking about. I'm guessing Nyn and Dice??? I also saw this and something from Verb that I had forgotten about. So thanks pirate. 

 

Anyways  something about Rands read list struck me as odd. There were two instances where he joined two players together. Exactly two. He joined Ithi and Key, then Verb and Me. I don't like this. Especially since I'm suspicious of Verb. I don't wanna be grouped with him. It always feels like a way mafia will put teammates with townies to link them in people's minds. I have been a bit suspicious of Key so I find it odd that only two people I have some suspicion on are linked in this manner on his list. It could be innocent but it pings.

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Verb does have cooties.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 4:12 PM, RandA lThor said:

* Why are you discounting the world where doctor believes the above and decides to protect someone else?

* Why are you discounting the world where mafia knows doctor may believe the above, and try to not use their strongman shot on D1, and see if they can get a safe kill on cop (and maybe doc did protect Dice)

Because mafia want to win - they already know that dice would never false claim cop if he was town, so if he’s not mafia, they will strongman him every time. It’s a game winning move - why do anything else? 

* Why, when you were obviously online during the deadline yesterday, and Verbal, Dice, IE, and myself were scrambling to figure out the best decision to move forward when Dice caused complete chaos by first soft hinting a power role within the last hour, and hard claiming cop 2 min before deadline? Town is trying to help out as much as possible during the deadline, and you were useless

I was watching. Why do I want to disrupt players from showing us who they really are? Having a spasm doesn’t help the town. 

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I’m in blue. 

[Verbal32]

@DPR

 

State your plan.  I know you have one, and anybody with a brain can see how you're now leaning.

 

Out with it.  You and Turin both are like split personalities this game.  FFS, pick one and stick with it.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 4:12 PM, RandA lThor said:

@DPR Doing it here for clarity with your main reasoning post, I need answers on the following

 

* Why are you discounting the world in which mafia decides to use their RB to nullify Dice and keep up the pressure on him if he's actually town cop?

* Why are you discounting the world where doctor believes the above and decides to protect someone else? Because it is taking an awful chance - no town-loving doc would ever take that chance. Ever. If you’re a doc and you have a cop with no cc, you cover the doc every single time.

* Why are you discounting the world where mafia knows doctor may believe the above, and try to not use their strongman shot on D1, and see if they can get a safe kill on cop (and maybe doc did protect Dice) This is just f’ing stupid. Slap yourself for being this dumb. 

* Why, when you were obviously online during the deadline yesterday, and Verbal, Dice, IE, and myself were scrambling to figure out the best decision to move forward when Dice caused complete chaos by first soft hinting a power role within the last hour, and hard claiming cop 2 min before deadline? Town is trying to help out as much as possible during the deadline, and you were useless

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I messed up posting the first round - doing this on a phone is like pulling teeth. Blue again

 

Seriously people, although it is technically possible that anything could happen, the town wins when make sense and go with what is most likely occurring. I’ve never seen a group more dedicated to losing OMF

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 4:57 PM, DPR said:

* Why are you discounting the world where doctor believes the above and decides to protect someone else?

* Why are you discounting the world where mafia knows doctor may believe the above, and try to not use their strongman shot on D1, and see if they can get a safe kill on cop (and maybe doc did protect Dice)

Because mafia want to win - they already know that dice would never false claim cop if he was town, so if he’s not mafia, they will strongman him every time. It’s a game winning move - why do anything else? This is not nearly as straightforward as mafia just kills cop all the time, and I'm concerned that this is the angle that you're taking because you should be smart enough to delve deeper here. The cop is useless when known because they have a roleblocker (albeit using their roleblocker every night, but now with 100% success as opposed to like a 22% chance to get doc or hider, and 11% if they can't affect the hider. Additionally, the cop is pulling a lot of suss energy, so it'd be good for mafia to keep that around if that's the case, even if he won't be voted for yet.

* Why, when you were obviously online during the deadline yesterday, and Verbal, Dice, IE, and myself were scrambling to figure out the best decision to move forward when Dice caused complete chaos by first soft hinting a power role within the last hour, and hard claiming cop 2 min before deadline? Town is trying to help out as much as possible during the deadline, and you were useless

I was watching. Why do I want to disrupt players from showing us who they really are? Having a spasm doesn’t help the town. No, but providing insight into whether someone is soft/hard claiming fr or lying when they're about to die, being available to help build alternate trains instead of laying back and letting a train build out of desperation on IE, and putting your concrete thoughts down before flip are all good for town. Observing and doing nothing is scummy, since it suggests you have more knowledge of you enjoying what's going on, and trying not to disrupt it by interrupting.

 

I’m in blue. 

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I'm in red. I feel confident in my read about you again. Vote stays on.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:05 PM, DPR said:

Because it is taking an awful chance - no town-loving doc would ever take that chance. Ever. If you’re a doc and you have a cop with no cc, you cover the doc every single time.

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You seem to be generically applying logic from all mafia games that may not have roles like a roleblocker to this game that does have one. Think more please, instead of overgeneralizing so you don't have to use your brain.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:05 PM, DPR said:

This is just f’ing stupid. Slap yourself for being this dumb

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Trust I remember some things from my time here before, and your intelligence wasn't at the top of the list. I'm not putting much faith in what you consider stupid.

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:05 PM, DPR said:

I messed up posting the first round - doing this on a phone is like pulling teeth. Blue again

 

Seriously people, although it is technically possible that anything could happen, the town wins when make sense and go with what is most likely occurring. I’ve never seen a group more dedicated to losing OMF

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These posts of yours proclaiming game loss are a bit sketch.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:00 PM, Verbal32 said:

@DPR

 

State your plan.  I know you have one, and anybody with a brain can see how you're now leaning.

 

Out with it.  You and Turin both are like split personalities this game.  FFS, pick one and stick with it.

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My plan is to try and get people to agree on things that makes sense. There’s power in numbers, so if can unflick people’s brains, the majority ought to be able to make good decisions. 
 

Currently this is a challenge because, well, you know… 

 

Anyway, dice is obvious scum. If we look at his play and everyone else’s around him, we ought to be able to shortlist a scum pile. Simple. 
 

I’m still trying to decide if Rand and Heavy are for real, their logic is so f’d. But I think Rand is playing a little too polished and manipulative for having just jumped back in. 
 

Turin goes back and forth. Dunno about him yet. 
 

Ed is just scumming along. Somebody back there called him out for 3p equity - that‘s what it looks like. 
 

We haven’t heard from a lot of players so far today so I’m not trying to get too focused on individuals yet - just want to all agree on what we think the situation is. 
 

 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:14 PM, DPR said:

But I think Rand is playing a little too polished and manipulative for having just jumped back in. 

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Awww a compliment, I'm honored. Given that I have just jumped back in. And dw, I made plenty of dumb mistakes (night talking, missing TownDice, etc.), but I'll take what I can get.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:14 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

These posts of yours proclaiming game loss are a bit sketch.

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So is my entire attitude. 
 

Im not claiming to be a prophet lol, I just sling sarcastic hash and the level of dumbass in this thread is astounding. 🤷‍♂️

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:14 PM, DPR said:

My plan is to try and get people to agree on things that makes sense. There’s power in numbers, so if can unflick people’s brains, the majority ought to be able to make good decisions. 
 

Currently this is a challenge because, well, you know… 

 

Anyway, dice is obvious scum. If we look at his play and everyone else’s around him, we ought to be able to shortlist a scum pile. Simple. 
 

I’m still trying to decide if Rand and Heavy are for real, their logic is so f’d. But I think Rand is playing a little too polished and manipulative for having just jumped back in. 
 

Turin goes back and forth. Dunno about him yet. 
 

Ed is just scumming along. Somebody back there called him out for 3p equity - that‘s what it looks like. 
 

We haven’t heard from a lot of players so far today so I’m not trying to get too focused on individuals yet - just want to all agree on what we think the situation is. 
 

 

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So here's my interpretation of what you seem to be doing:

 

You clearly state you think Dice is scum, but you're not voting him.  What you are doing is slapping the sh*t out of Rand, heh.  Town!DPR is way more tolerant than this, but maybe you've changed in the years since we played.  Scum!DPR was always a little more feisty, but again - see my prior sentence.

 

That said, are you suggesting we lynch Dice today?  Because that's a tall order with an un-cc'd Cop.  I say this because if you think X player is obvious scum, you need to remove them from the game.  You're zeroing in on the assumption strongman always kills the Cop here, but that's simply not always the case.  RBing him and letting him push a bad agenda can also work for scum as they can just kill him whenever they need the RB elsewhere or he starts making sense.  I'm pretty sure we've done this on JN more than once.

 

This feels a little like you're setting the table and hoping others sit down to eat, because you are polished and manipulative enough to do it.

[RandA lThor]

Are you going to respond to the above @DPR points are do you need to go back to mafia chat to figure out how to respond? Bold of you to call out dumbassery in the thread, when you are doubling down on your idiocy once again, and repeatedly take a senior citizen's time to answer questions

[Darthe]

  On 4/23/2025 at 9:14 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

@Darthe can I ask if your wonderful scenes are indicative of gameplay? As in it really seems like in your story someone got NKd and then revived by the Doc. Can we take this as what happened or could it be due to hider or bpv? 

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PAFO 🙂 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:03 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Also Darthe's scene confused me. There was a dead body hanging up, but no one died? I've read it a couple of times now, but no actual dead player so that's very good. I'm thinking either a good job by the Doc, the BVP on the condemn dude or the Hider was targeted?

 

You know it's very clever how that means the Mafia can't figure out Town roles just cos they missed. 

 

You've probably all already said this.

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Yesss it’s a mystery how one could simultaneously completely misunderstand a role, and also craft a game around every ability having a way to fail so that no one can be 100% confident in their might actions.  

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:08 PM, ed2funy said:

@darthe can I double vote if the player is being lazy and hypocritical? Thanks

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Absolutely, however I’ll only count the latest one.

[Darthe]

Also Rand, yeah the other night actions can be roleblocked.  Is there a reason they wouldn’t be able to?

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:41 PM, Darthe said:

Also Rand, yeah the other night actions can be roleblocked.  Is there a reason they wouldn’t be able to?

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Order of operations for hider vs roleblocker. Do they hide before the roleblocker reaches them, so that they're able to always hide? Or does the roleblocker get the hider before they can hide, so that they're unable to hide. Sorry if there's a standard here that's always followed.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:19 PM, DPR said:

 I just sling sarcastic hash and the level of dumbass in this thread is astounding. 🤷‍♂️

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  On 4/23/2025 at 5:40 PM, RandA lThor said:

Bold of you to call out dumbassery in the thread, when you are doubling down on your idiocy once again, and repeatedly take a senior citizen's time to answer questions

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You'll be passing notes and pulling each other's pigtails next.

 

Do we really have to resort to name calling? I thought we wanted to harken back to a time when Mafia was a battle of wits?

 

I have read page 32. It starts and ends with a great TV show, and I like that. 

 

Ed says Tigs vote is a joke.

 

There's an awful lot of is he, isn't he stuff about whether Dice is the cop and something about it being likely the Godfather could pretend to be the Cop.

 

In fact there's mostly that, just like most of today. And a bit about whether it was cool or not to vote DPR for a bit before voting Dice. 

 

I've read it a few times now and I still don't see what it is you say is interesting.  It's just a lot of round and round and round.

 

Maybe I'm just a dumbass.

 

Did Dice ever say why he checked Verbal and not Rand? He might have done and i missed it. Cos they were going at it even before Rand switched his vote about whether it was a real cop claim or not.

 

Also I think that Roleblocker always goes first. At least it did when I looked up the order of operations to try and make sense of my night actions in the last game.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:36 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

So here's my interpretation of what you seem to be doing:

 

You clearly state you think Dice is scum, but you're not voting him. 
I posted earlier that I am not suggesting we vote dice today. I am suggesting we hunt around him.

What you are doing is slapping the sh*t out of Rand, heh.  Town!DPR is way more tolerant than this, but maybe you've changed in the years since we played.  Scum!DPR was always a little more feisty, but again - see my prior sentence.

I’d say that my responses and actions are tailored to what I want to achieve. Sometimes you have to start a fight with Bob to see how Jim will react. Sometimes patience is the best way to accomplish something. Sometimes you gotta slap a mf’er

 

That said, are you suggesting we lynch Dice today?  Because that's a tall order with an un-cc'd Cop.  I say this because if you think X player is obvious scum, you need to remove them from the game.  You're zeroing in on the assumption strongman always kills the Cop here, but that's simply not always the case. I am assuming the Strongman shot will kill absolutely. Unless you know something I don’t, I don’t understand why this seems to be a mystery.   RBing him and letting him push a bad agenda can also work for scum as they can just kill him whenever they need the RB elsewhere or he starts making sense.  I'm pretty sure we've done this on JN more than once. Dude, honestly, if you’re mafia in the game, you gonna kill the cop or are you gonna try some numbnutz plan for the lulz. Be serious. 

 

This feels a little like you're setting the table and hoping others sit down to eat, because you are polished and manipulative enough to do it.
I’m putting my reads out there, but I haven’t manipulated a thing. You know that. 

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[DPR]

I’m in blue above - DM is on the fritz 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:40 PM, RandA lThor said:

Are you going to respond to the above @DPR points are do you need to go back to mafia chat to figure out how to respond? Bold of you to call out dumbassery in the thread, when you are doubling down on your idiocy once again, and repeatedly take a senior citizen's time to answer questions

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Sorry, I was on my scooter, on a train, going to a wedding, and I promised myself I would be disciplined enough to not get back online, but then I did, and now I just don’t know what to do. 

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:40 PM, RandA lThor said:

Are you going to respond to the above @DPR points are do you need to go back to mafia chat to figure out how to respond? Bold of you to call out dumbassery in the thread, when you are doubling down on your idiocy once again, and repeatedly take a senior citizen's time to answer questions

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Meow

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:12 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

 

You'll be passing notes and pulling each other's pigtails next.

 

Do we really have to resort to name calling? I thought we wanted to harken back to a time when Mafia was a battle of wits?

 

I have read page 32. It starts and ends with a great TV show, and I like that. 

 

Ed says Tigs vote is a joke.

 

There's an awful lot of is he, isn't he stuff about whether Dice is the cop and something about it being likely the Godfather could pretend to be the Cop.

 

In fact there's mostly that, just like most of today. And a bit about whether it was cool or not to vote DPR for a bit before voting Dice. 

 

I've read it a few times now and I still don't see what it is you say is interesting.  It's just a lot of round and round and round.

 

Maybe I'm just a dumbass.

 

Did Dice ever say why he checked Verbal and not Rand? He might have done and i missed it. Cos they were going at it even before Rand switched his vote about whether it was a real cop claim or not.

 

Also I think that Roleblocker always goes first. At least it did when I looked up the order of operations to try and make sense of my night actions in the last game.

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Name calling is fun! 

dice did finally answer why he chose Verb - it was sometime this morning but it wasn’t much of an answer. 
 

I’m pretty sure that all actions are considered simultaneous unless the mod specified otherwise. 

 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:29 PM, Nynaeve said:

Meow

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He’s trying - that’s gotta count for something? 

[keyholder21]

Here for min. I wanted to get this posted and be here IRL for a bit, but I've just had a student walk in.  I should have a little bit of time before my next meeting to be here providing this student doesn't need ages of help lol.   

 

- No nk is awesome.  @NynaeveNyn, I'm sorry to hear about your dad!  I hope he gets some good painkillers and heals fast <3.  @ed2funyEddie, sending Healing vibes to your friend!

-Turin's post re: clarification on roles looked hella townie to me.  Would be easy as scum to just let town be confused. I also feel like I can follow what he's saying, like he is following his own train of thought making sense kind of thing. Not sure I explain that well. Although, know his me/Verb/Rand scum team is wrong lolol. And, I don't agree with the "lumping people with scum is a scummate thing".  I focused on DPR for that last game and it definitely bit me in the a$$. @Turin Turambar - What's your suspicion of me specifically? I know you had a tinfoil in D1, but I thought we discussed that and I don't think you've mentioned anything since?

 

-Eddie is still mostly just yucking it up, which is concerning to me on D2 as there is plenty to discuss. Wasn't much involved in D1 or the lynch at all, but votes DPR out of the gate today and is "10000%" willing to lynch DPR with no reasoning?? DPR, who was poking Eddie basically every time he posted yesterday and some today, but is still calling him a blank slot. Granted, I also think DPR is acting weird with his attitude changes.  Scummate distancing?? @ed2funy - Literally ANYTHING to suggest how you feel about people outside of DPR?

 

-DPR is crazya** sassy all day yesterday and tells people to "figure things out", but then today when he's getting sussed is all zen and clearing things for the record?  Well, except Page 32. This is so incredibly different from last game it is sketching me out man.  And I don't like how he's been treating Eddie as a blank slot rather than being sus of Ed for lack of any kind of involvement. Oh now, Eddie's 3p since someone mentioned it?? That being said, I have a little niggling worry here because I did think Marsh was scummy and I agree with his case on Marsh yesterday. I also balked at his saying dice was scum, but I sorta agree with the "hunting around him" that DPR JUST posted. 

 

-Lenlo comes in and says nothing of note again.  Of all our quiet people, he gives me the most 3p vibes because he's here/involved just enough to sit as null for folks, but not really providing *anything* of note.  @Lenlo - do you have any comments or reads???

 

-Through all the back and forth with dice and DPR, I feel like Rand makes sense.  I also think his emotion and tone say frustrated town. I also think it's a good look that he is willing to admit he was wrong and then go into *detail* about how he changed his mind. I am confused about how he has Len as a town lean though? @RandA lThor - can you explain? 

 

-Maybe I'm just pocketed here, but Verb's tone and activity still look town to me since it is SO different from last game. I don't see the bad logic.

 

@dicetosser1 - why did you not check Rand if you thought he was so scummy with his votes at EOD???    

-Tigraine coming in talking about lynching the cop. @Tigraine - When would this happen, imo?? I can't remember ever lynching an un-cc'd cop.

 

-Heavy is still clear in his language today and I liked his points about Tigraine and Rand and I think he's now asking good questions. The switch in personality is still wigging me out though. 

 

-Some of Ithi's posts today I like, but some I don't. I understand treating dice as cop, even though I don't like how he's played it and I thought she had solid points in reply to Rand. I also agree that Tigraine listing out lynches for the following days is sketchy. But, she is also weirdly treating Ed like a blank slot, just like DPR, which I don't understand.  And, re: the Marsh lynch, even though I'm on it, I agree with looking at the people on the lynch because it would be pretty unlikely to NOT have mafia on it?  I think Marsh was scummy yesterday and I feel like I was clear about it. @Ithillian Turambar - Why is it lazy to look at the Marsh lynch?

 

@Nynaeve I meant Tigraine's quotes of why she thought dice was breadcrumbing when I said receipts.  I also don't like the summaries, although I feel somewhat hypocritical saying that, since I'm partially doing that atm since I am short on time.
 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:22 PM, DPR said:

I’m in blue above - DM is on the fritz 

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Btw I wasn't suggesting strongarm can't always kill - I mean the mafia might not always decide to use that to kill the Cop.  Obviously we disagree on that piece, which is fine.  

 

What would I do?  If I'm scum and Dice is not - he gets strongarmed in the face that night.

 

But I can't think only of how I would play it, and neither can you.  You are doing that, though.  You want everybody to assume it only gets played one way, but that's just not the case.

[DPR]

@keyholder21 I’m feeling like you may be confusing “blank slot” with “null”. 
 

Ed is scummy as hell this game and I’ve said so. 
 

What I mean by “blank slot” is that he has contributed nothing that resembles  actual gameplay and it’s like not having a player in that slot at all. 
 

I do not think he’s null lol. At this point he’s anti-town at best by not contributing or scum/3p at worst. 

He’s definitely on my wtl 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:24 PM, DPR said:

Sorry, I was on my scooter, on a train, going to a wedding, and I promised myself I would be disciplined enough to not get back online, but then I did, and now I just don’t know what to do. 

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Intolerant DPR is a great version of DPR.  Just sayin'.