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  On 4/27/2025 at 9:45 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I had the impression that was what she did with Rand every time. She just made it look like he was still in his own dream. Maybe I had it wrong. Which would be more effective for manipulating him?

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Lanfear clearly comes to Rand in all 3 of the instances we see where they interact in Season 3, first at the Crescent Inn in Cairihen, then again above The Two Rivers, and finally at the site of the Bore, and each time she makes a comment about the locations themselves.

 

If she'd drawn him into TAR, their surroundings would have been whatever she wanted them to be.

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  On 4/27/2025 at 3:23 PM, DigificWriter said:

If she'd drawn him into TAR, their surroundings would have been whatever she wanted them to be.

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Right. She wants them to be in T’a’R but does not want Rand to think he has left his own dreams. She can make them just like what Rand was already dreaming. 

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  On 4/27/2025 at 3:40 PM, DaddyFinn said:

Rand was the first Child of a Maiden that returned to the Maidens, so Maidens took him under their guard and carried his honor.

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When maidens fall in live with a man some will give up the spear. Some will not. If they get pregnant but still want to remain maidens of the spear, they give up their babies to be randomly adopted by another. Effectively losing their  baby. Rand is the first child of a maiden to come back and be.known as a child of a maiden. They ALL THINK OF HIM AS THEIR SON.

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I think the original post meant that Scarloc wished the show would tell the viewers about the connection, not that he was actually asking for himself. 

 

From what I've noticed Scarloc knows the basics of the story and then some. 

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  On 4/27/2025 at 6:08 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I think the original post meant that Scarloc wished the show would tell the viewers about the connection, not that he was actually asking for himself. 

 

From what I've noticed Scarloc knows the basics of the story and then some. 

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I think they'll get to this. I expect the next season will have a lot more Rand / Avi time, at which point the Maidens' culture will emerge as we learn with Rand.

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I don't really have anything to add around the discussion of Rand's dreams / Lanfear / Egwene, but I want to say that reading through the last few pages has made me rethink that whole triangle in the show which I'm on record as saying I really really disliked. 

 

I still don't like it and wish the show spent more time on other areas, but it's been interesting to read through the discussion and seeing those scenes in a different light. 

 

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  On 4/28/2025 at 11:05 AM, notpropaganda73 said:

I don't really have anything to add around the discussion of Rand's dreams / Lanfear / Egwene, but I want to say that reading through the last few pages has made me rethink that whole triangle in the show which I'm on record as saying I really really disliked. 

 

I still don't like it and wish the show spent more time on other areas, but it's been interesting to read through the discussion and seeing those scenes in a different light. 

 

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I do think the writers deserve some credit for using the tension in interpersonal relationships to highlight larger character issues. For example, Rand's position in the 'triangle' changes mirroring his personal growth over the season: First, he's dreaming of Cairhien - mourning the loss of simplicity and anonymity; next he's dreaming of Emond's Field - centering himself in memories of home, returning to his place of clarity; finally, he's where the Sharom fell - beginning to connect with LTT(?), but also finally taking charge of his own destiny.

 

They've done this well over several arcs, including some that I hate (Alanna and Maksim; Moiraine's whole S2). Even though I am not invested in them, the actual characterization has been solid throughout. All the characters feel authentic, their motivations are clear, their relationships feel genuine.

 

 

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I was visiting my kids for a week, so I have not been on any SM and I finally rewatched E8. 

 

I'm sure this has already been asked so I apologize, but what part of the episode is what Rafe called controversial? Sammael's death? Siuan's death? Moiraine and Lanfear's fight? I HATE that they killed Siuan because I love her character even more in the show than in the books, but I know if it does get renewed, they won't get enough seasons to warrant keeping her around.

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  On 4/29/2025 at 1:48 AM, Fiona_12 said:

I was visiting my kids for a week, so I have not been on any SM and I finally rewatched E8. 

 

I'm sure this has already been asked so I apologize, but what part of the episode is what Rafe called controversial? Sammael's death? Siuan's death? Moiraine and Lanfear's fight? I HATE that they killed Siuan because I love her character even more in the show than in the books, but I know if it does get renewed, they won't get enough seasons to warrant keeping her around.

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Siuan

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  On 4/29/2025 at 1:48 AM, Fiona_12 said:

I was visiting my kids for a week, so I have not been on any SM and I finally rewatched E8. 

 

I'm sure this has already been asked so I apologize, but what part of the episode is what Rafe called controversial? Sammael's death? Siuan's death? Moiraine and Lanfear's fight? I HATE that they killed Siuan because I love her character even more in the show than in the books, but I know if it does get renewed, they won't get enough seasons to warrant keeping her around.

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Pretty much the mid characters like Siuan, Valda, and Loial are being killed off becuase they might have done some stuff later, but with such limited time there just isn't the time to spend on them.  Nothing they do is critical to the story, so they are being cut.  Rafe felt it was important to give Siuan a strong moment.

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  On 4/30/2025 at 12:54 AM, Fiona_12 said:

 

Best speech of the entire series! 

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except when she pivoted from what makes an aes sedai to herself. the last part when she said "because i am siuan sanche, daughter of the river". that's a big non-sequitur over the great speech she was making on losing control of the world

 

also, a historical mistake: siuan says that she has sworn the oaths that her sisters have sworn for 3000 years. but in the show they said that the aes sedai accepted to swear on the oath rod to stop the siege from arthur hawkwing, which happened 1000 years ago, so which is which?

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I wonder if this is another mistake due to the SAG-AFTRA strike, like Sarah Nakamura described with Moghedien using the term Forsaken instead of Chosen when she kills Ispan. Basically the correction was noted but with the long pause for the strike the writers didn't make the change before filming had to start.

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  On 5/1/2025 at 5:19 PM, king of nowhere said:

the last part when she said "because i am siuan sanche, daughter of the river". that's a big non-sequitur over the great speech she was making on losing control of the world

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I saw this as a specific response to Elaida calling her a River trash or something in a previous episode. The snubby new Amyrlin does not the satisfaction of "river trash" being cowled even after stilled and deposed. 

 

 

 

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  On 5/1/2025 at 5:19 PM, king of nowhere said:

except when she pivoted from what makes an aes sedai to herself. the last part when she said "because i am siuan sanche, daughter of the river". that's a big non-sequitur over the great speech she was making on losing control of the world

 

also, a historical mistake: siuan says that she has sworn the oaths that her sisters have sworn for 3000 years. but in the show they said that the aes sedai accepted to swear on the oath rod to stop the siege from arthur hawkwing, which happened 1000 years ago, so which is which?

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I think the Oath Rod used by the Aes Sedai was used during the AoL as a Binding Rod to deal with criminals - remember the Oath Rod has very negative effects for Power Users. I think the Oath Rod is just a surviving ter'angreal relic from the AoL that during the AoL was much more common - I think they were part of a law keeping hardware stock, perhaps with each one being owned by a local governance. 

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  On 5/2/2025 at 9:01 AM, SilentRoamer said:

I think the Oath Rod used by the Aes Sedai was used during the AoL as a Binding Rod to deal with criminals - remember the Oath Rod has very negative effects for Power Users. I think the Oath Rod is just a surviving ter'angreal relic from the AoL that during the AoL was much more common - I think they were part of a law keeping hardware stock, perhaps with each one being owned by a local governance. 

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It is still not the same as the use the Tower sisters used it for and remember that Siuan has no idea that the Rod shortens life spans or was used for binding criminals in the AoL.

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  On 5/2/2025 at 9:01 AM, SilentRoamer said:

I think the Oath Rod used by the Aes Sedai was used during the AoL as a Binding Rod to deal with criminals - remember the Oath Rod has very negative effects for Power Users. I think the Oath Rod is just a surviving ter'angreal relic from the AoL that during the AoL was much more common - I think they were part of a law keeping hardware stock, perhaps with each one being owned by a local governance. 

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this is the tv show continuity, which is different from book continuity. there is no ageless face in the tv show. i don't expect the shortening of life span to be brought up

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  On 5/2/2025 at 11:22 AM, Mailman said:

It is still not the same as the use the Tower sisters used it for and remember that Siuan has no idea that the Rod shortens life spans or was used for binding criminals in the AoL.

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Suian did know that the Oath Rod shortens lives - the Kin lived longer than Aes Sedai bacause of this - it was stated explicitly in The Gathering Storm. Although yes - tv version probably doesn't know.

 

  On 5/3/2025 at 2:45 PM, king of nowhere said:

this is the tv show continuity, which is different from book continuity. there is no ageless face in the tv show. i don't expect the shortening of life span to be brought up

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Very true - the continuities are becoming increasingly separated unfortunately.

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  On 5/6/2025 at 9:27 AM, SilentRoamer said:

Suian did know that the Oath Rod shortens lives - the Kin lived longer than Aes Sedai bacause of this - it was stated explicitly in The Gathering Storm. Although yes - tv version probably doesn't know.

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That is not right.

Siuan did not know in the books.

No Aes Sedai where aware that the Rod shortened lives till after the Kin's true ages were revealed in the Gathering Storm.

Siuan may have learned after Elayne and co rejoined the rebels but certainly not before.

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  On 5/6/2025 at 10:41 AM, Mailman said:

That is not right.

Siuan did not know in the books.

No Aes Sedai where aware that the Rod shortened lives till after the Kin's true ages were revealed in the Gathering Storm.

Siuan may have learned after Elayne and co rejoined the rebels but certainly not before.

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Sorry - you're right, I just checked this. 

 

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This thread is interesting and I am glad I gave up on the show. I have read enough to see that the writing and direction has not really improved.

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  On 5/19/2025 at 2:52 PM, Jaccsen said:

This thread is interesting and I am glad I gave up on the show. I have read enough to see that the writing and direction has not really improved.

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You've read very selectively then. The consensus among nearly everyone is there was obvious and consistent improvement season over season. Whether that was 'good enough' is a matter of taste, obviously.

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