Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[Turin Turambar]

I'm gonna dip for a few. Getting ouppy dog eyes from my puppy dog. See ya in a bit. 

 

Oh, in case I forget later. If I get lynched today, after I flip Town, I want an "I'm Town" from everyone.  

[DPR]

 

Current d1 views:

 

My vote is on @Turin Turambar and will stay there unless we learn something new. He's obviously a simp or a lover or somesuch. He's dominated d1 with his garbage and I've literally stopped reading anything he posts.  

 

There's a wolf among @seph & @Darthe

 

80% of Seph's game has been focused on painting me as a wolf, which to me shows that he set out to tunnel and has accomplished that.

 

Darthe's play has been all over the place and provides good cover for a wolf. His post the other night was hot garbage and he hasn't explained it at all. 

 

There's a wolf among @keyholder21 & @Hallia

 

Key has also spent a great deal of time focused on me, which is fine and all, but there are nudges and missreps of my posts. Her last WOT called me a liar for stating that Turin isn't leaning into his meta about always being perceived as a wolf. That's ridiculous - he obviously has. 

 

@Cass has been a pop-in. Not a good sign

 

Too early to tell for @dicetosser1, @Verbal32 or @Gudrean but I'm not getting bad vibes from any of them.

 

That's how I see it. I'm sure it's wildly different than others. I'll discuss actual points but I'm done responding to anyone who just wants to tunnel. 

 

 

[keyholder21]

  On 4/3/2025 at 5:02 PM, Hallia said:

wait why is turin the top wagon

 

stupid meetings

 

stupid 55 pages

 

*grumble*

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Wolfy pop in, imo. 

  On 4/3/2025 at 5:04 PM, Hallia said:

on its face this is a horrible reason to vote someone

 

SO MUCH SO

 

I'ma

 

Vote: DPR

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 It does have a minor reason I guess, but I hate this vote.  Reactionary off of one post without being caught up when there is still time to read up and decide. To me, it reeks of teammate distancing, but that it admittedly colored by my view of DPR.

 

  On 4/3/2025 at 5:29 PM, DPR said:

Huh. Here I saw it as a really good reason to vote. 

I’ve been away for a while - is WIFOM a good thing now? Are we all supposed to weave the theme into the gameplay now and hint at each other? Or go emo on d1 for no apparent reason over arguments with confirmed townies? 
 

This is a terrible post and vote. 

 

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I do think this is a good follow up.  Bold - I don't see it as a have to, but I do see how it would be beneficial for town who knows the theme.

 

  On 4/3/2025 at 6:36 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

I know this wasn't at me, but I can say I did not read up on it.  Theme = flavor, unless the mod says otherwise.  And the mod has not said otherwise.

 

TBH any discussion on this topic is meh at best and gaming the mod at worst.  Or to put it in the terms of the new gen peeps, "angleshooty".

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Another "hey y'all I'm here but not really going to say anything" post from Verb.

 

  On 4/3/2025 at 6:42 PM, Verbal32 said:

Not sure I like DPR as the counterwagon here.  I'd prefer one of my top 2, but I don't think I'm getting that.

 

TURIN - 3  (Cass, Zander, DPR)

CASS - 1 (Darthe)

DPR- 3 (Seph, Hallia, Turin)

 

Not starting a new wagon here, and not voting Cass for reasons already provided.  Also not DPR as I mentioned above - seph is in my top 2, and Turin has pretty much done what I did last game and painted a target on himself (for better or for worse).  I don't have much of a read on Hallia yet, other than not liking the quick DPR vote without what I feel is a solid reason.  That maybe links her with Turin if he flips scum.

 

I'm willing to see if somebody says something ridiculous and outs themselves first, though.

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This mostly feels like a repeat of what was said before. 

 

Not sure how I feel about the bold.  I don't hate that he's not just jumping on a train, but at the same time, if Seph is in your top 2, why not put him up there? Why are you just going with the flow as is? I've seen trains form and run and hammer with like 2 hours to deadline so if you have someone you think is wolf, especially if you don't think those getting the votes are, why not start a new train?   

 

Putting dice's big post in a spoiler, since this post of mine will already be long enough. 

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  On 4/3/2025 at 8:22 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

id disagree. Most of my many mislynches have been driven by Town

 

 

We oughta lynch you for this. CULTS ARE NOT FUN!!!

 

 

 

thank you. I was hoping for like a "when she said THIS i had this reaction" sorta thing but thats fine.

 

So I think im caught up. 

 

I seem to be collecting town reads more than scum reads.

 

Town

Darthe  I just dont think theres any doubt here. Hes poking, asking questions, ive agreed with a bunch of things hes said. 

Key  Shes digging. Seems a little tunneled on gud but I cant complain about that. Agaain  have agreed with stuff she says

Seph  He just feels like hes on his town game to me. most of the game hes sounded and felt unrushed and relaxed. A bit less last few pages, but i think that may be to not really understanding what Verb and DPR were saying to him.

 

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Gud  other people who have played with her are sussing her but she sounds the same to me. 

DPR  some things ive liked some i havent. No real idea tbh

Verb I always find verb hard to read and his lack of activity so far isnt making it any easier. Dont think hes said anything bad but he hasnt said much really

Halli  lack of activity isnt helping. Is usually a Day 2 read for me, especially if she does a certain something there.

 

Null - Scum

Cass just isnt registering with me. Barely here. I think i get her vote on turin but im not seeing the normal way she posts.

 

Scum

Turin. 

 

 

 

 

 

Right so Vote Turin

 

This may be a bad vote cause a big part of it is irritation. Ive literally had this running thru my head even as i slept.

 

The other parts tho are inconsistency and now he has added a LAL element to it.

 

He had a post where he snapped at Darthe kinda hard, then took his ball and left the thread. Not something I normally associate with turin.

 

Has been soft claiming Washington most of the game but iirc literally said he was not him? Been representing LD but also said hes not that. Bought the LD up early for no real reason, I dont agree with his idea of worrying mafia, i think it just warns them and lately hes fixated on people saying their Town despite saying he didnt believe in the usual make everyone say their town schtick. So fixated his annoyed me into digging my heels in and refusing to say what he wants just because he wants it so much.

 

Has been focused on mechanics all game. Says hes been talkign theme but talking theme is posting music vids or what your fav part of the play was or little tidbits like apparently Lin got inspired because he heard they were taking Hamilton off the $10 note.

 

He is also the one who raised about their being fake claims and that he thinks there would be based off ithis modding history.  I can totally see Washington being a fake claim, would be the best one you can get really (cause youd never get Hamilton imo) So im really not trusting his claim. Especially as I dont remember him ever softing a claim like that before.

 

Thats not what hes been doing.

 

and now im adding LAL. Lynch All Liars.  He been softing Washing, repping LD but said he wasnt them AND said he wasnt going to claim. Like at all.  Then he claims  with only 3 votes and like 30 hrs before deadline?

 

Oh and he has added more inconsistency claiming Washington but now flashing IYKYK around.  Thats a Jefferson thing. Who is a political enemy of Hamilton.

 

So thats where im at

 

 

I thought she was just pointing out it was a line from the show

 

 

 

yeah imagine that.

 

See above 😄 

 

 

Gud  Dont post things from other games in the current game. Its not a done thing

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I agree with the town list and the frustration/vote with Turin is understandable and very dice, imo. But I don't like the null list because I feel like Verb has been sus even in his lack of activity.  I also feel like DPR has been sketch, but I need to go back and look because atp I am worried I am tunneling on him because of our initial interaction. And it's an easy out to say "Hally better as a D2 read".  So still null on dice :p.

 

  On 4/3/2025 at 8:27 PM, dicetosser1 said:

@Hallia  no i dont find it odd because it could just be the people shes got feelings about. I of all people definetly dont get to criticize that

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But like, no other comments about the game while she's here? I feel like it's sketchy to say "oh, not caught up but I saw this one post/vote and so I'm going to vote that person." Like even if you're busy, if you're going to stop by maybe at least go to profiles and read some of the posts/interactions that person has had before voting them?  But what do I know lol. 

 

  On 4/3/2025 at 9:24 PM, seph said:

Key, I was just trying to place her in my list. I liked the tone of her posts and gave her a light town read and put her in the middle of my list.
I don't really love the drive by vote though. ugh...
I am going through my DPR quotes after homework. 
Then Turin.

I absolutely loved Dice's catch up post though, I swear I am trying to listen to others but I think after a bunch of reading today, some interactions the poe is  this for me.
Zander
Darthe
Key
Dice
^^ probably not touching
 

TURIN - 4  (Cass, Zander, DPR, Dice)

CASS - 1 (Darthe)

DPR- 3 (Seph, Hallia, Turin)

 

Turin/Hallia/Verb/cass/dpr/Gud  is my poe I am trying to work through.

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What about it did you love??  

 

Despite some difference of opinion on Turin and Gud, I don't hate these two lists.

 

I''m going to spoiler these posts too, because they've been triggering for some. 

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  On 4/4/2025 at 12:41 AM, Turin Turambar said:

You know it's a bad vote but your making it anyway. 

I never lied. You are slandering me with this garbage. I NEVER SAID I WASN'T WASHINGTON. I DID SAY AT ONE POINT THAT I WASN'T SAYING I WAS WASHINGTON.  THE FIRST IS A DENIAL, THE SECOND JUST NOT A CONFIRMATION. I ALSO NEVER SAID THAT I WAS AN LD. I MERELY SAID THAT IN THIS CLOSED SETUP GAME IT WAS A POSSIBILITY.  I THEN SUGGESTED THAT EVEN THIS POSSIBILITY WAS A POSITIVE FOR TOWN BECAUSE IT MIGHT CAUSE MAFIA TO PAUSE BEFORE STATING CLEARLY THEY ARE TOWN.

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I asked Darthe who replied after a few prods but didn't seem to want to say it.

I asked DPR, who replied fairly quickly but also didn't seem thrilled. 

I didn't have to ask Key. She saw part of my talking to Zander, figured it out and replied like a champ (she is also the only one who clearly did the recommended reading).

Gud may have understood  but in any case she gave an im town directly.

I asked you and Verb but I don't think either if you have replied. I really don't understand how if you are town it could be bad for you to say your town. Even if you don't trust me, why make the potential  LD claim in order to get info?

SHOW ME WHERE I LIED OR APOLOGISE. 

Theme is anything that is part of the tapestry of the game. I posted a specific message that should echo with you if you are town.

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t was a fairly obvious thing. I started with Zander because he was the only confirmed townie,  so I thought it would resonate. Unfortunately,  he is too deep in his Turin tunnel to listen. That's why I was frustrated. I stepped back because I am trying to be kinder gentler Turin. 

I did mention  fake claims. I think the mafia will have them. If you choose to not believe that I'm George Washington I suppose fair enough. If your really town you should know the rest of what I claimed was true. Also,  your memory is faulty because I have sorted loads of character claims. I get run up a lot and have had to do it my fair share.

AGAIN,  PROVE WHERE I LIED. IT DOESN'T EXIST.

The iykyk is completely due to the message being sent to townies. If you didn't get the message, that might be on you. 

 

I asked Zander this before,  I'll ask you now. Who is "the town"? Whose side? 

 

Now it's late again. Ithi is asleep  and I have to start my day in less than 5 hours so bid you good night sir.

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  On 4/4/2025 at 5:54 AM, Zander? said:

 

I completely disagree irt Turin obviously he  implied LD and LD is the easiest and common fake claim as Mafia KNOW if you're Town or Not...he started doing the LD stick then said nope he didn't confirm/.claim it and said/implied he wasn't LD left it alone for a little then came back with it after more people sussed him for it iirc.  I don't even buy frustrated Towny because how could you be after all that WINFOMING and clutter and implied claiming then disputing it and saying nope than picking the stick back up then claiming Washington and federalist then saying NOPE didn't claim that then go back to. Then talk about mechanics all game, makes a quote himself about gaming the Mod and then proceeded to do just that. Then clings to flavor important and needed discussion after told by me I asked Ithi and she said knowing the material wasn't required to play then base.then continue with it and claim people lied and are wrong etc for questioning it?!??!

 

I'm sorry I don't see a Villager doing that at all.  And if somehow he is imma look real hard at everyone saying he was and after condemning himself he's made it super easy for a wolves to jump on him and in the same breath make Townies who said he was Town looking like Scum for somehow seeing through all that and not coming to the obvious IMHO conclusion he's Wolf because no villager ever would do that.  No occums razor and common sense say lunch the Wolfiest player and odds are they're Wolves 

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I'm sorry Z, but being an empath, I just do not see a wolf making Turin's post. It reads to me like exceedingly frustrated town. Like, I've been there as town and that would be, imo, hella investment on a wolf.  Do I agree with the moves he's made? For the most part no, but being someone who relies IRL on their ability to read others' emotions, it's hard for me to move past this.  

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:52 AM, DPR said:

This is just blatant tunneling.

 

You’ve been focused on vilifying me the entire day, to the extent that you haven’t been overly helpful with anything else.

 

You’ve mischaracterized me, twisted things I’ve said and attempted to turn nearly every post I’ve made into something that it wasn’t. 
 

It’s d1. All we can do is offer opinions without results to base them on.
 

I’ve offered my reads and put myself out there as the day has progressed. I haven’t argued anything - just put myself out there.

 

I voted twice, once for Darthe, who is still low on my list, because I don’t see what he’s done as being helpful to the town.
 

And my current vote is on Turin for acting like a wolf in pretty much every way that he could to a ridiculous extent. 
 

Thats pretty much all any of us can do until we get some info. 

 

And why ask who can read me? Ask the game, they’ll let you know. Or, if you’ve read 20 games to every 1 you’ve played, you should feel good about casing me instead of flailing. I’m not exactly unknown around here. 
 

Get yourself together and play the damn game instead of acting like a brat. 
 

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First bold is a misrep of Seph imo.  He stated he had quotes for you and planned to get to you later.  And he was, at least, peppering Gud with all kinds of questions.  

 

Underline, but why not argue things??? Isn't that part of the point?

 

Second bold - are you okay? 😞

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 1:23 AM, Darthe said:

What are these reads?  I can’t envision a world in which your three wolves are wolves together.

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  On 4/4/2025 at 1:30 AM, Darthe said:

Yeah.  Fork.  Towns never so in sync D1, no one has this guy high on their list, and I can’t imagine him letting himself make this post as W.  Maybe that’s WIFOM but 1 and 1 aren’t equalling 2.

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I agree with both of these.  I also don't see wolfdarthe allowing this out for Turin, when it would be a pretty easy lynch right now.  And yes, that is going off of 15yearold meta so definitely lolme if I am wrong. Unless they are on the same team, but I feel like that's unlikely because I have that town read on Turin.

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 2:06 AM, seph said:

Bro...

I literally told you I am re reading your posts. Multiple times. Stop getting mad when I do what I saw I'm doing. 

I'm trying to read it from a perspective without gud involved.

 

I read none of this post from you yet. I tried to talk to you twice now and you vanished both times, and never evem responded to me about my/your reads.

 

That post was me getting my thoughts in lined for what I actually think of you, if I think you are the wolf, or it's turin and hallia. Or whatever else I might think.

I said I had 20 quotes for you like 4 times in this thread lol.

 

Not reading into the game atm cause I'm Winding down for bed

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I hate this post. If you haven't read his post why are you responding??

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 2:47 AM, seph said:

Meh, I was already thinking about pushing hallia or Cass tomorrow

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I agree they are wolfy, but I hate this statement.

 

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 11:15 AM, Zander? said:

@Cass why you around reacting to posts but not posting asking for a friend.......

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Yep, I'm wondering too.

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 11:55 AM, Turin Turambar said:

A lot.of this has to do with their stances and interactions with me. It is the first thing in mind. 

 

DPR: mafia. His reason seems to be bad village play, which is still not mafia. 

 

Gudrean: null to slight mafia. Her early position seemed based on the last game which is not great , but as the game has gone along it seems she has been better. This read is leaning down just on the link I have of her and DPR. 

 

Darthe: true.null. Darthe doing Darthe things. His dealing with me has me leaning mafia because I know his suspicions toward me.are.at.best wrong. He has shown some highlights dealing with other things. Maybe I'm biased.

 

Zander? Philip Hamilton- Town - Innocent Child

 

Verbal32: mafia lean. His choice to sit on the sidelines in the vote today is suspicious to me. He also resisted the prod to get an i'm town out of him. 

 

keyholder21: solid town. She is the only one that really got it. If she is.mafia and pulled this off, then she deserves an Academy Award. 

 

7. @Turin Turambar: George Washington  town Federalist (role tbd)

 

Cass: mafia lean. Her stated reasoning  for her vote on me was bad imo. She seemed very offended that I wrote out stuff about her and then only said yep, same about Hallia. I don't think she has responded at about either my message or my I'm town request. 

 

seph: town lean. He seems to.have similar questions as I do but he also.seems to think.i should be a target today so he definitely doesn't get it. 

 

dicetosser1: mafia lean. At best wrong about me. He stated his vote was bad and still.made it. Could be just grumpy but it feels like.he is hiding in the grump if you know what Mean. 

 

Hallia: town lean. I think she gets it but doesn't like that she gets it. Maybe it's just cause she was reading me town.

 

 

That's where I am. Hopefully I don't die today. If I do, then pay heed. I may not be completely right but I don't think I'm completely wrong. 

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I also like this list?  Maybe I am just hopelessly bad at reading people this game lololol.  I disagree with the Gud, dice, Hally and darthe reads, but I feel like I can understand his reasons.  I will admit this is colored on the view that I think he is town. 

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:03 PM, Darthe said:

 

why those two in particular?  This whole game feels like I’m a day ahead of everyone but hally has been a nothing burger to me so far.
 

definitely still true but I’m trying to catch a wolf, not a bad villager.  Tbf he still could be one but this play is -10000000 ev in either alignment. Unfortunate, but what you’re describing is a tunnel, not a read.

 

I’m literally just quoting you so I have something of yours to respond to.  Your posts are tooooooo loooooooong.  Stop it. I can’t say shi- when someone has to guess which sentence of war and peace I’m responding to.  And on that, you’ve been discussing me a lot, but I think it lacks substance.  A few good early posts are caring much of the read I have on you, would like to see more focused work if you’re town.  I do like the way you’re fleshing out thoughts on DPR, he’s warranting the attention. 
 

Yo I’m giving you a string, not a rope.  If you are town do something with it, cause the lolcatting is just not fun and no one cares about the theme.

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First bold - no. This is how I catch up and show my thought process for why I feel the way I feel about people.  It's how I always have done.  If you're too lazy to read them then :P. You could always put them in a spoiler when you're responding????

 

Underline - Bully for you? lol. I feel like I have commented at least a few times on why I feel your posts are coming at the game from a town angle.  Do I need to do a deeper dive read through? Probably.  Do I think you are the lynch of the day and I need to do that right now? No, that's for future days.  

 

As far as your town read being based on my early posts -- have you read any of thoughts I have put forward in my long messages? Surely there is more information in there that can help you with your read?

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:06 PM, Darthe said:

Hah actually helpful reads list.  1 issue, you’ve been intentionally inviting sus.  Everyone should be sus of you, so highlighting that as a reason for your read doesn’t fly.  I could understand if they did it in a way you had an issue with, but that’s not what’s said above.  So gimme something better on dice, casss, and Wes.

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I don't hate it.

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:20 PM, Gudrean said:

I was thinking the same but only because their involvement this game has been so small. (Hallia and Cass)

I know that doesn't make them wolves but it does seem to make them easy prey for wolves. Verb too to a small degree has been kinda quiet, but he was quiet in the last game I played with him so may just be a man of few words. Just sayin

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All good points.

[seph]

Cass

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count

 

TURIN - 4  (Cass, Zander, DPR, Dice)

CASS - 2 (Darthe, Seph)

DPR- 2 (Hallia, Turin)

 

Not Voting: Gudrean, Key, Verbal

 

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[keyholder21]

Current reads.  Much of this I have already said in my catch up posts.

 

@Turin Turambar - As I explained in my last post, this is based off emotional investment more than gameplay.  Hate it if you want, but that's where I'm at. If he flips scum somehow then I REALLLLLY don't know what I'm doing and I will understand all the heat I will likely receive.

 

@DPR - Wolf, imo.  I feel like he's misreping/twisting a lot of things, specifically when posts are directed toward him (thinking of my posts and Seph's here).  I also don't understand his continued focus on putting me and Hallia together. His post above is at least the 4th time this game he's put us together. Like this sticks in my brain bad because Hallia and I have played very different games so far and it reeks of tying a townie to a wolf that's taken some heat. I haven't hated all his posts, but I have paid attention to people saying he can replicate his town game as scum.  

 

@Darthe - townread admittedly a lot of it based on old meta, but I don't feel like I'm playing any differently so why should I expect that he is?  I don't see wolfdarthe playing as sloppy or giving Turin an easy out.  I also like a lot of the questions he's posed to other people, and feel that's protown. This is also colored by my feel that Turin is town so lolme.

 

@Cass - scum lean.  Low contributor in terms of volume and then low content when she's here. I don't understand the random dicetown read and I don't remember her actually answering this? I also hate her vote as a pop in and implication that the vote had to be between Turin and Darthe.  Further in the posts she has been here, she's left defense for DPR, although this point specifically hinges on DPR being scum.

 

@Hallia - scum lean.  Low contributor, no explanations, wolfy pop-ins and horrid vote. 

 

@Gudrean - mild town read.  This is mostly off do I see new scum posting like this.  Is it the best reason?  No, but that's what I got. 

 

@Verbal32 - scum lean, just like cass low contributor in terms of volume and low content when he's here.  Many of his posts don't have anything to do with moving the game along, imo, and they look like an attempt to look like he's here doing things but actually isn't doing anything.

 

@seph - town read. I haven't liked everything he's said, but many of our reads are the same and he seems to be coming at the game the same way I am, which makes me feel good about him. He's also followed up on what he's said he would (so far) and that is, in general meta not person specific, to me a townie thing to do. 

 

@dicetosser1 - null atm because I liked/agreed with somethings that he said, but I didn't like others.  I felt like his null list and reasons were meh and even though she has a scum lean for me, he left himself an easy out with his Hally read.  I do like his town list though and reasons, hence null. 

 

[keyholder21]

Vote DPR.

 

I would also be willing to vote Cass, but I think DPR's flip would give us more information.

[Ithillian Turambar]

TURIN - 4  (Cass, Zander, DPR, Dice)

CASS - 2 (Darthe, Seph)

DPR- 3 (Hallia, Turin, Key)

 

Not Voting: Gudrean, Verbal

 

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  On 4/4/2025 at 1:50 PM, DPR said:

 

Current d1 views:

 

My vote is on @Turin Turambar and will stay there unless we learn something new. He's obviously a simp or a lover or somesuch. He's dominated d1 with his garbage and I've literally stopped reading anything he posts.  

 

There's a wolf among @seph & @Darthe

 

80% of Seph's game has been focused on painting me as a wolf, which to me shows that he set out to tunnel and has accomplished that.

 

Darthe's play has been all over the place and provides good cover for a wolf. His post the other night was hot garbage and he hasn't explained it at all. 

 

There's a wolf among @keyholder21 & @Hallia

 

Key has also spent a great deal of time focused on me, which is fine and all, but there are nudges and missreps of my posts. Her last WOT called me a liar for stating that Turin isn't leaning into his meta about always being perceived as a wolf. That's ridiculous - he obviously has. 

 

@Cass has been a pop-in. Not a good sign

 

Too early to tell for @dicetosser1, @Verbal32 or @Gudrean but I'm not getting bad vibes from any of them.

 

That's how I see it. I'm sure it's wildly different than others. I'll discuss actual points but I'm done responding to anyone who just wants to tunnel. 

 

 

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Whose speculating now? And wildly to boot. Ignoring anyone's posts is probably the most anti Town behaviour possible. Especially if.you are convinced I'm mafia you should be looking for spew or links or anything useful. Even if you think it's WIFOM, a townie looking to solve should be reading everything. That you are not is quite telling imo.

 

Why do you have Hallia with Key? Is it because they have both said I was town? When I do flip Town which one do you find worse? Why? 

Show me where I'm using people's perception that I'm wolfy. I'd like to see it. This sounds like.its supposed to.be a take bit.really isn't.

That Cass "take" is your version of advance cover for her flipping wolf without really suspecting her. 

Why only one of seph and Darthe? This feels.like false linking. So after you can go well seph wasn't. Mafia so it must be Darthe. Feels fake, and reactive.

 

Whose the third after I flip town?

[seph]

My WIM is gone and I don't feel like attempting to play atm. This will probably be my last big post as most of my thoughts are out there.

This was my POE
DPR, GUD, CASS, HALLIA, Turin, Verb..
Cass and hallia are impossible to talk to.
Verb has came in the thread once and I engaged him where I could.
The only people I have to talk to in my POE is GUD/DPR/TURRIN and Turrin has been in such a big debacle with others I haven't reached out and engaged him as much as I probably should.

I focused on the only other two people who actually show up in the thread. DPR sorry if it bugged you but I butt head with people to try and read them, look at literally any town game I have ever played. The fact of the matter is you ruined your slot for me town or wolf. If you are a wolf and made that post I am a little saddened that you need to actually go to such depths here, maybe that's a norm somewhere else, I don't know.
I said I was going to case you, I also said I was going to respond to quotes so I get the response of you calling it flailing to be honest. It was not a case, and I was responding to quotes trying to re evaluate your slot, and the Ugh's in the beginning were because I liked your posts. Re-reading I thought that your providing info, and playing the game even if I didn't like the direction or certain posts I read in a different light. I am unsure where to place you but I would rather lynch Cass today.

If you are a villager I get it, but this is a game and you are one of 3  active slot options I was trying to solve for. It's a game, and I am already remembering why I retired lol. 
GG's and goodluck town, I don't even know if I will be here for EOD. Enjoying wine and a show without this distraction sounds nice.

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

It's been a long day. Soon be Night and we can go Mafia Lite mode and all have a good rest.

[Hallia]

  On 4/4/2025 at 2:21 PM, keyholder21 said:

Current reads.  Much of this I have already said in my catch up posts.

 

@Turin Turambar - As I explained in my last post, this is based off emotional investment more than gameplay.  Hate it if you want, but that's where I'm at. If he flips scum somehow then I REALLLLLY don't know what I'm doing and I will understand all the heat I will likely receive.

 

@DPR - Wolf, imo.  I feel like he's misreping/twisting a lot of things, specifically when posts are directed toward him (thinking of my posts and Seph's here).  I also don't understand his continued focus on putting me and Hallia together. His post above is at least the 4th time this game he's put us together. Like this sticks in my brain bad because Hallia and I have played very different games so far and it reeks of tying a townie to a wolf that's taken some heat. I haven't hated all his posts, but I have paid attention to people saying he can replicate his town game as scum.  

 

@Darthe - townread admittedly a lot of it based on old meta, but I don't feel like I'm playing any differently so why should I expect that he is?  I don't see wolfdarthe playing as sloppy or giving Turin an easy out.  I also like a lot of the questions he's posed to other people, and feel that's protown. This is also colored by my feel that Turin is town so lolme.

 

@Cass - scum lean.  Low contributor in terms of volume and then low content when she's here. I don't understand the random dicetown read and I don't remember her actually answering this? I also hate her vote as a pop in and implication that the vote had to be between Turin and Darthe.  Further in the posts she has been here, she's left defense for DPR, although this point specifically hinges on DPR being scum.

 

@Hallia - scum lean.  Low contributor, no explanations, wolfy pop-ins and horrid vote. 

 

@Gudrean - mild town read.  This is mostly off do I see new scum posting like this.  Is it the best reason?  No, but that's what I got. 

 

@Verbal32 - scum lean, just like cass low contributor in terms of volume and low content when he's here.  Many of his posts don't have anything to do with moving the game along, imo, and they look like an attempt to look like he's here doing things but actually isn't doing anything.

 

@seph - town read. I haven't liked everything he's said, but many of our reads are the same and he seems to be coming at the game the same way I am, which makes me feel good about him. He's also followed up on what he's said he would (so far) and that is, in general meta not person specific, to me a townie thing to do. 

 

@dicetosser1 - null atm because I liked/agreed with somethings that he said, but I didn't like others.  I felt like his null list and reasons were meh and even though she has a scum lean for me, he left himself an easy out with his Hally read.  I do like his town list though and reasons, hence null. 

 

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people keep saying my vote is horrid but not why

[Hallia]

  On 4/4/2025 at 2:43 PM, seph said:

My WIM is gone and I don't feel like attempting to play atm. This will probably be my last big post as most of my thoughts are out there.

This was my POE
DPR, GUD, CASS, HALLIA, Turin, Verb..
Cass and hallia are impossible to talk to.
Verb has came in the thread once and I engaged him where I could.
The only people I have to talk to in my POE is GUD/DPR/TURRIN and Turrin has been in such a big debacle with others I haven't reached out and engaged him as much as I probably should.

I focused on the only other two people who actually show up in the thread. DPR sorry if it bugged you but I butt head with people to try and read them, look at literally any town game I have ever played. The fact of the matter is you ruined your slot for me town or wolf. If you are a wolf and made that post I am a little saddened that you need to actually go to such depths here, maybe that's a norm somewhere else, I don't know.
I said I was going to case you, I also said I was going to respond to quotes so I get the response of you calling it flailing to be honest. It was not a case, and I was responding to quotes trying to re evaluate your slot, and the Ugh's in the beginning were because I liked your posts. Re-reading I thought that your providing info, and playing the game even if I didn't like the direction or certain posts I read in a different light. I am unsure where to place you but I would rather lynch Cass today.

If you are a villager I get it, but this is a game and you are one of 3  active slot options I was trying to solve for. It's a game, and I am already remembering why I retired lol. 
GG's and goodluck town, I don't even know if I will be here for EOD. Enjoying wine and a show without this distraction sounds nice.

 

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I'm impossible to talk to and yet you haven't @'d me once

 

mmhm

[Hallia]

  On 4/4/2025 at 2:23 PM, keyholder21 said:

Vote DPR.

 

I would also be willing to vote Cass, but I think DPR's flip would give us more information.

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wait my vote is horrid but you JOINED ME??

 

LOLOK

 

ded

[keyholder21]

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 3:20 PM, Hallia said:

people keep saying my vote is horrid but not why

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Literally in a post like three up from your comment on this very page???

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 1:52 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Wolfy pop in, imo. 

 It does have a minor reason I guess, but I hate this vote.  Reactionary off of one post without being caught up when there is still time to read up and decide. To me, it reeks of teammate distancing, but that it admittedly colored by my view of DPR.

 

in reply to dice -

But like, no other comments about the game while she's here? I feel like it's sketchy to say "oh, not caught up but I saw this one post/vote and so I'm going to vote that person." Like even if you're busy, if you're going to stop by maybe at least go to profiles and read some of the posts/interactions that person has had before voting them?  But what do I know lol. 

 

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  On 4/4/2025 at 3:22 PM, Hallia said:

wait my vote is horrid but you JOINED ME??

 

LOLOK

 

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Yes, because yours looks like teammate distancing, imo and I have thought DPR sketchy for a long time.

[Zander?]

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:03 PM, Darthe said:

 

why those two in particular?  This whole game feels like I’m a day ahead of everyone but hally has been a nothing burger to me so far.
 

definitely still true but I’m trying to catch a wolf, not a bad villager.  Tbf he still could be one but this play is -10000000 ev in either alignment. Unfortunate, but what you’re describing is a tunnel, not a read.

 

I’m literally just quoting you so I have something of yours to respond to.  Your posts are tooooooo loooooooong.  Stop it. I can’t say shi- when someone has to guess which sentence of war and peace I’m responding to.  And on that, you’ve been discussing me a lot, but I think it lacks substance.  A few good early posts are caring much of the read I have on you, would like to see more focused work if you’re town.  I do like the way you’re fleshing out thoughts on DPR, he’s warranting the attention. 
 

Yo I’m giving you a string, not a rope.  If you are town do something with it, cause the lolcatting is just not fun and no one cares about the theme.

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No it's a read that I'm tunnelling but still a Wolf read lol.

[Zander?]

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:13 PM, Gudrean said:

For what it's worth I think you are town @Turin Turambar, but I feel like there's a possible other thing no one but maybe Zander has thought of or mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my searching the internet to find out what all these abbreviations and weird words y'all use in mafia mean, It came up that there can be 3 alignments in advanced mafia games. Are we overlooking the neutral characters? That is a thing right?

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Good God Gud regardless now of Turins alignment I think you're likely Wolf FML 

 💔 💔 💔 

[Zander?]

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:20 PM, Gudrean said:

I was thinking the same but only because their involvement this game has been so small. (Hallia and Cass)

I know that doesn't make them wolves but it does seem to make them easy prey for wolves. Verb too to a small degree has been kinda quiet, but he was quiet in the last game I played with him so may just be a man of few words. Just sayin

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Would you say he's more quiet than last game or more vocal even just say 1 comparisons 

[Zander?]

  On 4/4/2025 at 12:24 PM, Gudrean said:

I'm pretty sure people do care about the theme, especially the person who made it! Y'all should think before you say things like this. Don't hurt Ithi's feelings dangit!!!

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I get Darthe doesn't maybe word it nicely but that's not exactly what he means I believe.  I didn't do any sort of theme research.  That's not a knock against Ithi I love ITHIGOATESS MODDESS it's just I have no desire to delve into the theme.  I played because it was an ITHIGOATESS MODDESS game...the theme couldn't been We all hate Zander's guts and I still woulda played because Ithi game and Frands playing LOLOLOLOL.  Ithi herself said, as I've stated numerous times, knowing the theme wouldn't be needed for the game which means it's just the flavour for characters and write ups.

[seph]

  On 4/4/2025 at 3:21 PM, Hallia said:

I'm impossible to talk to and yet you haven't @'d me once

 

mmhm

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Ok, I am going to throw some snark bark lol.
Thank you for 10th post this game 🙂
In all honesty, I have never @ ed one person in a mafia game. It's your prerogative to be active or not ❤️

[Zander?]

  On 4/4/2025 at 1:14 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Here is her vote. There is no on thread progression from the previous and the stated reasoning is lacking imo.

 

Furthermore there is no stated reasoning after this point.

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Is this literally her only post in that 12 hour span?!?!?!

[Zander?]

  On 4/4/2025 at 1:11 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Here Cass has a null/slight town??? Read on me.

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  On 4/4/2025 at 1:14 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Here is her vote. There is no on thread progression from the previous and the stated reasoning is lacking imo.

 

Furthermore there is no stated reasoning after this point.

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Rereading her post I noticed something.  Imma sit on it and see what she and others say about it.

[Zander?]

  On 4/4/2025 at 1:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

This is the only other post I've seen from her since her vote. Someone noted she is reading along because she has reacted to posts. Still no reasons that I have seen.

 

Additionally, the last line feels like giving herself an out for DPR flipping wolf down the line. 

 

I would be OK voting Cass or DPR. 

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FML you're seeing my other Worldview