Season 3 (and beyond) speculation and random thoughts

[mogi68]

WARNING: SPOILERS for the whole series

 

Rumors on the street are that Matrim Cauthon is going to be involved in the Tanchico storyline in Season 3. Some people have suggested that they are going to combine the Tanchico storyline with the Ebou Dar storyline from the books. This makes little sense to me unless they truncate the plotlines for all of the other major characters as well.  This is driven (IMO) by the possibility that the show will not be renewed for a full 8 seasons, which has not yet been greenlit. If Rafe is told to wrap it up by season 4 or 5, then they will need to move quickly, and combining Ebou Dar with Tanchico will make it easier to do so.  I really don't think we are going to get Mat in the land of the Finns.

 

What will happen in Season 3? I think that these things are reasonable to assume:

1.  Nynaeve, Elayne, and Mat in Tanchico. Find ter'angreal stash with the bowl of the winds (domination band maybe?). Nynaeve overcomes her block, gains a nemesis in Moghedien

2. Rand is in the waste. He does the Rhuidean thing, gets the majority of the Aiel on his side, defeats one of the male forsaken.

3. Siuan is deposed. 

4. Perrin returns to the Two Rivers and defends it from Shadowspawn and Whitecloaks. He meets Faile, who intended on hunting for the horn in Manetheren.

 

What happens next in a potential Season 4? Cairhien is not at civil war in the show and has a stable government (as of the end of S2). Caemlyn has not yet made an appearance, but apparently Morgase has been cast for S3 so we should see it at some point. Sammael has apparently been cast. Is he Lord Brend in this universe? Or does he take the role of Rahvin? I think that Rand will take the Aiel over the Dragonwall early in season 4 and either take the Stone of Tear or conquer Cairhien. 

 

Will Egwene be in the waste? She really doesn't "do" a lot in the Shadow Rising besides tag along. We know that she is Rafe's favorite character, and her storyline is often prioritized by the writers. Could it be possible that she will be involved in the tower storyline in Season 3?

 

Unknowns:

What is going on with the Dark One? Is he bound by seals as in the books? The ones keeping the Forsaken imprisoned were all destroyed by Ishamael at the end of season 2.

[fearbrog]

Egwene will be fighting Asmo and Lanfear, maybe even alone while Rand gonna be distracted or be incapable of channeling or do important metaphysical stuff like talking to the Dark One. Either way Egg cannot sit out climax of Aiel Waste in a tent. Maybe Moiraine will help her so fight wouldn't be so unbelievable and after everything she will bring water to Rhuidean

[DojoToad]

9 hours ago, fearbrog said:

Egwene will be fighting Asmo and Lanfear, maybe even alone while Rand gonna be distracted or be incapable of channeling or do important metaphysical stuff like talking to the Dark One. Either way Egg cannot sit out climax of Aiel Waste in a tent. Maybe Moiraine will help her so fight wouldn't be so unbelievable and after everything she will bring water to Rhuidean

Why would Egwene need help to make a fight believable.  Nynaeve took out a trolloc in S1:E1 all by herself.  Fair is fair!

[Skipp]

23 hours ago, mogi68 said:

WARNING: SPOILERS for the whole series

 

What will happen in Season 3? I think that these things are reasonable to assume:

1.  Nynaeve, Elayne, and Mat in Tanchico. Find ter'angreal stash with the bowl of the winds (domination band maybe?). Nynaeve overcomes her block, gains a nemesis in Moghedien

2. Rand is in the waste. He does the Rhuidean thing, gets the majority of the Aiel on his side, defeats one of the male forsaken.

3. Siuan is deposed. 

4. Perrin returns to the Two Rivers and defends it from Shadowspawn and Whitecloaks. He meets Faile, who intended on hunting for the horn in Manetheren.

 

What happens next in a potential Season 4? Cairhien is not at civil war in the show and has a stable government (as of the end of S2). Caemlyn has not yet made an appearance, but apparently Morgase has been cast for S3 so we should see it at some point. Sammael has apparently been cast. Is he Lord Brend in this universe? Or does he take the role of Rahvin? I think that Rand will take the Aiel over the Dragonwall early in season 4 and either take the Stone of Tear or conquer Cairhien. 

 

Will Egwene be in the waste? She really doesn't "do" a lot in the Shadow Rising besides tag along. We know that she is Rafe's favorite character, and her storyline is often prioritized by the writers. Could it be possible that she will be involved in the tower storyline in Season 3?

 

Unknowns:

What is going on with the Dark One? Is he bound by seals as in the books? The ones keeping the Forsaken imprisoned were all destroyed by Ishamael at the end of season 2.

 

I think this is a pretty solid assumption as to how season 3 might play out.  I hope Egwene's story will focus on her dreaming abilites this season.  As for Cairhien's government I think it could be toppled fairly easily.  Either rumors that the Queen was to wed a Darkfriend or both the Queen and her former soon-to-be-king are assassinated by Liandrin/Black Ajah to prevent word of their involvement from leaking.

 

Good question on the Dark One, they have not been much of a presence with the story focusing so much on the Forsaken.  I don't really have a clear idea of how they will play out their impending release.

[Samt]

I don't think Cairhienin government is really on the list of things that need to be solved or even matter that much.  With the level of abridgment that may be required, we may not go back to Cairhien at all.  If we do, it's probably as a site for the battle with the Shaido and the government of the city is not super important.  Royalty can die in the battle as needed.  

[Elendir]

Civil war in Cairhien isn't necessary. Dragon feeding Cairhien didn't play big role in book. Saving Cairhien from Couladin would be enough.

Much bigger problem is Tear, which played role in the most of Rand geopolitical actions.

 

However, it looks like they flushed Rands whole arc down toilet so far. So they can do pretty much anything with him.

[Maximillion]

I saw today that Rosamund Pike has taken a film role.

Surprised she has time if they were going to shoot a Season 4.

Could be that Season 3 is the last.

 

Edited May 4 by Maximillion

[BookMattBetterThanShow]

Could be they are going to follow the books with her arc?

[Skipp]

7 hours ago, Maximillion said:

I saw today that Rosamund Pike has taken a film role.

Surprised she has time if they were going to shoot a Season 4.

Could be that Season 3 is the last.

 

It is not as if Rosamund took a movie the previous year, Saltburn was it?

[A Memory Of Why]

Yeah, I reckon Moraine and Lanfears face off will be the end of season 3. I'm guessing it'll be in Rhuidean though.

 

I'm basing this off a group interview with Raff and the main cast, not long after season 1 was released I think..

 

Raff tells a story about how even some of the production crew are really into the show, and he let it slip a certain someone will be killed in season 3, noting how shocked they were.

 

Firstly, I can't think of anyone in season 1 or even 2 that would be shocking to "kill" off. Maybe Suian but still.. (see below)

 

Secondly, I noticed Rosamund had an odd reaction to the story. Everyone else smiled along, nodded and laughed. Like anyone else listening to their boss tell a crazy story.

 

Pike though.. she practically blankly stared into the camera the whole time, barely a phantom eye twitch.

 

I do think they'll bring the reveal forward though, have her "dead for 2 seasons than show her alive as a season ending with her nightmare leaching thingy and bring her back at the end of season 7..

 

If it last that long...

[Highcommander]

I speculate they will scrap the show at some point. Likely sooner than later, its costing them money and viewership is tanking as more and more fans of the books become discouraged. 

[Elder_Haman]

3 hours ago, Highcommander said:

I speculate they will scrap the show at some point. Likely sooner than later, its costing them money and viewership is tanking as more and more fans of the books become discouraged. 

Has viewership “tanked”? I don’t think that’s true. Season 2 was well received compared to season 1. 

[Ralph]

7 hours ago, Elder_Haman said:

Has viewership “tanked”? I don’t think that’s true. Season 2 was well received compared to season 1. 

how dare you argue with obvious facts based on mere statistics and evidence? 

[Kaleb]

A couple ScreenRant takes I agree with, quick blurbs.

https://screenrant.com/wheel-of-time-season-3-logain-siuan-team-up/

https://screenrant.com/wheel-of-time-season-3-perrin-wife-laila-two-rivers-conflict-setup/

[Mailman]

8 hours ago, Kaleb said:

A couple ScreenRant takes I agree with, quick blurbs.

https://screenrant.com/wheel-of-time-season-3-logain-siuan-team-up/

https://screenrant.com/wheel-of-time-season-3-perrin-wife-laila-two-rivers-conflict-setup/

Screen rant is such a garbage site.

 

How on earth would a whitecloak investigation months after lalia’s death with no one in the two rivers having knowledge of the event reveal Perrins role.

 

Perrins development with the white cloaks is less than paper thin in comparison to the books at this point in the tv show.  

[king of nowhere]

frankly, the more time passes without announcements, the more i expect the show will be canceled after season 3 or 4.
they can't go on with a season every 2 years anyway. the protagonists will be 40 by the time it's done

[Sabio]

Heck at 2 years between seasons it would still make 12 years just for 6 seasons,.  They would either need to speed up the seasons or stop it after4 or 5 seasons.

[Kaleb]

On 8/17/2024 at 12:47 AM, Mailman said:

How on earth would a whitecloak investigation months after lalia’s death with no one in the two rivers having knowledge of the event reveal Perrins role.

Fain, Dain and the whitecloaks tried to paint him as a known Darkfriend and wanted criminal in the books, right? They'll do the same thing in the show, and there'll likely be some combination of Perrin's actual guilty conscience and Congars/Coplins looking for a way to ingratiate themselves to the whitecloaks with rumors of things he might have done that could very easily lead Perrin to confess, or at least fuel suspicions. Adding that if Fain plays a similar role as in the books, he might know about Laila from Ishy's messing around in Perrin's dreams, and could just straight up make an accusation.

 

I don't care for the site either, just starved for content and those articles highlight a few things that are definitely coming in season 3 that haven't been discussed much from what I've seen.

Edited August 20 by Kaleb

[Sabio]

It can't be too complicated since they only have 8 episodes to try and fit in book 3 and 4.

[fearbrog]

5 hours ago, Sabio said:

It can't be too complicated since they only have 8 episodes to try and fit in book 3 and 4.

As if show will actually follow book narrative. 

[Samt]

10 hours ago, fearbrog said:

As if show will actually follow book narrative. 

Well, according to the creators, they already adapted book 3.  Couldn’t you tell?

[nsmallw]

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  On 8/23/2024 at 8:35 AM, fearbrog said:

As if show will actually follow book narrative. 

Well, according to the creators, they already adapted book 3.  Couldn’t you tell?

 

If your one of those who hate the show, why would you care that book three did or didn't get adapted  much less if season 4 gets greenlit or not. If the show does die with three seasons then you can say, "See I was right and you were wrong" which is all the haters of the show really care about. 

[Samt]

1 hour ago, nsmallw said:

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  On 8/23/2024 at 8:35 AM, fearbrog said:

As if show will actually follow book narrative. 

Well, according to the creators, they already adapted book 3.  Couldn’t you tell?

 

If your one of those who hate the show, why would you care that book three did or didn't get adapted  much less if season 4 gets greenlit or not. If the show does die with three seasons then you can say, "See I was right and you were wrong" which is all the haters of the show really care about. 

I’m completely ambivalent about the show at this point. It’s the gaslighting I hate.

[Sabio]

Most of Book 3 is pointless, it made interesting reading the pursuit for Rand but isn't needed in the series,  Perin has had his whitecloak run in now (though I still think Having Perin actually kill the whitecloak instead of being accused is a huge change that totally changes his arc and actually makes him guilty now) and he freed the Aiel.

 

IMO the only things needed from 3 is Samm in Illian, Aiel coming to Rand, and Rand taking the Stone of Tear.  Interesting thought that maybe they will combine Samm now ruling Tear and fighting Rand there.  Get rid of his other fight with Ishy and the confusing showdown with Samm later.

 

But I still don't see how they will have time to do book 4 justice.  Which worries me since that's my favorite book.  They need to get Perin and the whitecloaks to the Two Rivers, Rands visit to Rhuidean etc. Coluadin story, traveling across the waste Rand capturing Asmo.

 

I could see them getting rid of the Lanfear and Rand meeting, maybe make it the Moiraine vs Lanfear fight.  

[Skipp]

10 hours ago, Sabio said:

  Perin has had his whitecloak run in now (though I still think Having Perin actually kill the whitecloak instead of being accused is a huge change that totally changes his arc and actually makes him guilty now) and he freed the Aiel.

 

 

 

I'm am currently on a bit of a dry spell from having read the books, but Perrin does kill 2 Whitecloaks in EotW does he not?

 

Having him kill a named Whitecloak, Bornhald Sr, in the show different but not that different. 

 

The bigger change is that Bornhald jr knows with his own eyes Perrins crime rather than having Byar catch a glimpse of him in a village and subsequently Bornhald Sr's death on him.