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[Guest Wolfbrother31]

If correct though ... Visually I like their choices. But we're talking about this trailer ... And I don't think anybody believes we're getting Caemlyn or Trakands in S1 do they?

 

Which is why your comment was confusing in the first place - because you said we still have unconfirmed castings for Masema and Uno and perhaps Forsaken - but are you talking about S2 for that as well? 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Wolfbrother31

[Daenelia]

17 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

 

Tell us more about that. 

What would you say is the core of the story?

 

I can tell you what attracted me to the story. So many Arthurian influences. But for me it is about growing into who you are. I don't want to say it is a 'coming of age' story, because I think that is too broad. But all the characters find their way to 'fulfill their destiny' while it still feels like it is true to who they are.

 

But mostly the core of the story is adventure and exploration for me ? I love exploring the world and see it open up as the group travels through it. It should be amazing and bewildering, and scary and grand, and mysterious and disturbingly familiar in places.

 

But that could just be me.

[Elder_Haman]

12 hours ago, AusLeviathan said:

I feel like there being 13 of them is important thematically.

 

Plus the large number allows for some to be short term villains who get killed off whilst keeping enough of them around for the last battle.

 

It's true. But I think 13 is too hard to transition to screen effectively without losing track of them. I think it will be better tv if they choose a handful and do them properly. My "keepers" are: Asmo, Lanfear, Semi, Rahvin and Ishy. And then I'd want some combination of Moggy, Graendal, Mesaana, Demandred and Sammael as well.

 

I'd probably combine Mesaana with Alviarin; Possibly depower Sammael into just a very powerful Darkfriend; Combine Taim and Demandred. Moggy and Graendal are the hardest for me.

[SinisterDeath]

20 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

It's true. But I think 13 is too hard to transition to screen effectively without losing track of them.

TBH, 13 might seem like a big number buut...

Every character will effectively have their own villain they deal with each season.
EoTW Rand/Mat - Survival, dealing with the dagger, Dark Friends, and Ba'alzamon.
Egwene/Perrin - Survival, Whitecloaks
Lan/Moiraine/Nyneave - Each Other. (In the show, looks like they're dealing with Logain?)
 
Future Seasons, once we start getting introduce to the Girls, and Mat/Rand/Perrin all going their separate ways, it wouldn't be too difficult to have a variety of Forsaken each season stirring the plot villain's against our characters... Since... that's literally what they do. 

Rand deals with the big hitters, the girls deal with the small fry's, and then there's the shit-stirrers that never cause direct conflict, but contribute to the political game of houses.

If they can sprint us through the first 3 books by season 2, starting season 3 with book 4+, they could really start throwing Forsaken characters at us, left and right. 
If they play it smart, they could even reveal past characters as Forsaken.

[DaddyFinn]

I showed the teaser to my girlfriend and she wasn't impressed at first. She knew some basic things about the world and story but nothing major. She wanted to know more and I told a few other things about the world and the main characters and their story arcs and she started to ask just the right questions and we spent a whole afternoon talking about the books. She wanted to know all about Rand's arc and as a result she has now listened tEotW and started tGH. She also can't wait for the show to air. ?

 

I have watched The Dusty Wheel, Daniel Greene and Nae'blis on YouTube, so I had a decent picture about the production of the show. I knew Rafe and the team will make a lot of changes and all I can do is hope they make the right ones. I didn't see anything too concerning in the teaser. Weaves looked a bit underwhelming but we will see.

 

In some Q&A Rafe said that most of the dialogue in the show will NOT be from the books. They want the dialogue to "feel more natural and realistic". I can understand that because the books have so much inner monologue, long conversations and non-spoken details etc. that it's probably impossible to fit all that to TV-format in an understandable way. We will see that also.

 

Edit. Link and quote

https://www.wotseries.com/2020/12/23/rafe-judkins-answers-questions-on-changes-to-wheel-of-time-adaptation/

 

Quote

Q: Do you attempt to keep book dialogue? Or start from scratch?

A: Every writer receives a document when they begin their script put together by our book expert, Sarah, that breaks down every scene in the episode and gives specific dialogue and scene references from the books for it. Especially for scenes that aren’t from the books at all, we will find scenes from the books with the same characters together or talking about the same thing thematically. That said, predictably, almost all the dialogue in the show is not from the books so as to sound as natural as possible with our locations/actors/scenes as they’re played.

 

Super optimistic for the show! ?

Edited September 13, 2021 by DaddyFinn

[Taishar Hawaii]

51 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

 

It's true. But I think 13 is too hard to transition to screen effectively without losing track of them. I think it will be better tv if they choose a handful and do them properly. My "keepers" are: Asmo, Lanfear, Semi, Rahvin and Ishy. And then I'd want some combination of Moggy, Graendal, Mesaana, Demandred and Sammael as well.

 

I'd probably combine Mesaana with Alviarin; Possibly depower Sammael into just a very powerful Darkfriend; Combine Taim and Demandred. Moggy and Graendal are the hardest for me.

I could see eliminating Graendal completely, should they feel the need to whittle down the number of forsaken. Her role in the final battle could easily be filled by another and she is not featured in any major plot line prior. 
 

IMO Moggy is too vital an antagonist for the female leads, particularly Nynaeve, to nix or roll into another character. And the knowledge of forgotten weaves they get from her is a key plot driver. 
 

I am very partial to Sammael and cannot be unbiased on his inclusion in the show. His conflict with Rand, through his rule in Illian, and the insight into his conflict with Lews Therin that leaks out from Rand are too important in moving the story forward to leave out. 

[king of nowhere]

they could keep 13 forsaken as thematic number, but only flesh out a few of them. most forsaken would never be encountered on screen until they face rand and are killed.

more or less like be'lal and sammael in the book. they are the shady figures that are ultimately responsible for all the mooks the heroes have to face, then they provide a boss battle, then they die happily having fulfilled their narrative roles without cluttering the story.

[Elder_Haman]

1 hour ago, king of nowhere said:

they could keep 13 forsaken as thematic number, but only flesh out a few of them. most forsaken would never be encountered on screen until they face rand and are killed.

more or less like be'lal and sammael in the book. they are the shady figures that are ultimately responsible for all the mooks the heroes have to face, then they provide a boss battle, then they die happily having fulfilled their narrative roles without cluttering the story.

We'll find out soon, I guess. I usually take the "less is more" approach, but I'm curious to see what they choose to do.

[Guest Wolfbrother31]

6 hours ago, DaddyFinn said:

I showed the teaser to my girlfriend and she wasn't impressed at first. She knew some basic things about the world and story but nothing major. She wanted to know more and I told a few other things about the world and the main characters and their story arcs and she started to ask just the right questions and we spent a whole afternoon talking about the books. She wanted to know all about Rand's arc and as a result she has now listened tEotW and started tGH. She also can't wait for the show to air

 

Love this. 

I showed the trailer to my wife and she thought it looked good, but she's not into the books. Can't get her to read them - she pretty much exclusively reads Biographies. 

Boring. 

 

If we all get non-fans to watch and it's good. Man, I really hope we can get far enough to get Dumani's Wells! 

 

5 hours ago, Taishar Hawaii said:

I could see eliminating Graendal completely, should they feel the need to whittle down the number of forsaken. Her role in the final battle could easily be filled by another and she is not featured in any major plot line prior

 

True. And if the show stays TV-14 ... Graendal was one of the more ... Sexualized, shall we say, characters.

 

6 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

If they can sprint us through the first 3 books by season 2, starting season 3 with book 4+, they could really start throwing Forsaken characters at us, left and right. 
If they play it smart, they could even reveal past characters as Forsaken

 

Like maybe the Grinwells? Lol 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Wolfbrother31

[king of nowhere]

14 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

True. And if the show stays TV-14 ... Graendal was one of the more ... Sexualized, shall we say, characters.

 

they can give her less stripperiffic clothes and she'd still be graendal. just have streith be somewhat less transparent that what's described in the books could work.

 

speaking of which, i wonder how they'll handle da'covale outfit. and whether it will become a new tag in porn sites

though those are concerns for later seasons

Edited September 14, 2021 by king of nowhere

[Guire]

2 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

they can give her less stripperiffic clothes and she'd still be graendal. just have streith be somewhat less transparent that what's described in the books could work.

 

speaking of which, i wonder how they'll handle da'covale outfit. and whether it will become a new tag in porn sites

though those are concerns for later seasons

I think the kink industry is going to have a lot to work with from WoT. White tower alone will give them years of content.  

[CaddySedai]

2 hours ago, Guire said:

I think the kink industry is going to have a lot to work with from WoT. White tower alone will give them years of content.  

 

Ahem. I am ALWAYS the definition of modesty TYVM.

[Guest Wolfbrother31]

Any predictions on when we'll get the next trailer? Inside info maybe? 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Wolfbrother31

[DaddyFinn]

54 minutes ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Any predictions on when we'll get the next trailer? Inside info maybe? 

 

 

Some have guessed in the NYC Comic Con

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTx_CXSJNWq/?utm_medium=copy_link

[thehumantrashcan]

1 hour ago, DaddyFinn said:

Some have guessed in the NYC Comic Con

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTx_CXSJNWq/?utm_medium=copy_link

I am probably buying a digital ticket because of this.

[CaddySedai]

30 minutes ago, thehumantrashcan said:

I am probably buying a digital ticket because of this.

I plan to as well. Gotta support the Wheel. 

[DaddyFinn]

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/the-wheel-of-time-rafe-judkins-interview/

 

Has this been posted somewhere already? 

[Guest Wolfbrother31]

2 hours ago, DaddyFinn said:

Has this been posted somewhere already? 

 

This is a great article. Instills more confidence that they're doing it right. I like that they focus on the character of the 3 EF boys - think that they have a real good handle on that & like the idea of more of an ensemble series from the get-go.

 

It also makes me think that we will see more detail with channeling that is book faithful. Not sure what a channeling movement coach teaches exactly, but we'll see!

 

And his repetitive comment pleases me -- cut Faile! ?

Just stirring the pot. 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Wolfbrother31

[thehumantrashcan]

I really hope they don't cut Faile.  Despite her hate she is essential to Perrin's character development.

 

Great article! Thank you for posting that.

[Guest redgiant]

This is the credited cast list for Game of Throne, just for Season `1:

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066845834/

Every person on this list I remember their characters, how they sounded and acted, in many cases what they said, their purpose in the story even when small, etc etc.

There are 127 actors here.

All of you go scan the contents at that link. The mark of a great show is characterizations that stick with you, and I guarantee you that despite the sheer number of people listed there, you will recall every last one of them and why they were in the story, even in minor places.

Fast-forward to WoT ... with a budget way, way beyond GoT.

People making excuses for why we can't even have all the cities, or all 13 Forsaken, or why we can't have Elayne/Morgase/Elaida/Gawyn/Galad, or why we can't have Elyas without combining him with some warder like Steppan, or why we can't have A&B and Someshta in the climactic scene that book 1 is NAMED AFTER (that 's like "Oh, it's called a Song of Ice and Fire ... but do we really need fire?").

So don't ever use excuses about why Rafe has ripped large chunks out of the story due to "too many characters" to keep track of, or to flesh them out properly, or whatever the excuse du jour is invented for just plain laziness and uber-compression of one season over multiple books, instead of just faithfully producing The Eye of The World as season 1 with the climax of the season being exactly what it ought to be. And only making edits or changes/omissions/additions where a faithful TV adaptation truly needs them.

By slamming 2 if not 2+ seasons' worth of story into just a few episodes, that decision a priori is what set the stage for all the changes you are going to be in shock over just how much this is different from the books. The first 4 books needed their own seasons. Period. Maybe even 5 and 6 separate, but if the show took off into the stratosphere like I think it would have had they been more faithful then they could decide down the road.

This is a problem of the show runner's and script writers own making.

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by redgiant

[SinisterDeath]

10 minutes ago, redgiant said:

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls083768702/

Every person on this list I remember their characters, how they sounded and acted, in many cases what they said, their purpose in the story even when small, etc etc.

There are 127 actors here.

Wrong link?

[Elder_Haman]

14 minutes ago, redgiant said:

By slamming 2 if not 2+ seasons' worth of story into just a few episodes, that decision a priori is what set the stage for all the changes you are going to be in shock over just how much this is different from the books.

You haven't seen a single episode, yet you know that they have "slammed 2+ seasons worth of story into just a few episodes"? Where do you get that idea?

 

15 minutes ago, redgiant said:

instead of just faithfully producing The Eye of The World as season 1 with the climax of the season being exactly what it ought to be.

How do you know they haven't? Or that it won't end at the same place you expect it to? You've seen nothing. We don't know what the climax of season 1 is going to be yet. It may be the same as the books. It may be slightly different. It may be very different. But why does different have to mean bad?

 

Again, I'll go back to The Last Kingdom. Very, very, very different from the books. Huge swaths of story cut. Characters cut. Characters added. Relationships changed. Still a fantastic tv show. Also terrific books. It's not obligatory that you hate the show because it changed the books. Changing the books didn't make the show trash or tarnish the author's legacy.

 

Lighten up!! It's just a tv show!!

[Guest redgiant]

57 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Wrong link?

 Yes, fixed.

[king of nowhere]

I haven't seen GoT (too grimdark for my tastes), but I somehow doubt all those actors had named roles and all were memorable.

I also doubt the claim that WoT got much more money than GoT; where does it come from?

But it's interesting to consider this from the money perspective; if GoT and WoT got similar amount of money, and GoT spent more on settings and actors.... where does WoT spend the remaining money? Assuming there's no embezzling done, they may spend more for visual effects (magic takes a more central role from earlier in the story).

 

we may also get 100+ actors for WoT. most of them are going to be extras. You may be better at this than I am, but I wouldn't be able to keep track of 120 named characters if my life depended on it. There are whole internet sites dedicated to help people keep track of who's who for a reason.

 

Finally, even the most dedicated fans agree that some storylines get bogged down. when they cut some of it from the show, they may even do the story a favor.

 

regarding the "cut faile or keep her", I hope that they keep her, but they substantially change her to remove her obnoxious, abusive behavior.

Actually, faile is one of those things that were ok for her time, but not for more modern sensibilities. In the past, coniugal violence was much more widely accepted, sometimes even considered normal. My father told me he had a coworker who regularly went into fistfights with his wife, she always had black marks on her face from blows received, he always had bloody gouges from her scratches ?. But they've been together for 20 years, in a time were divorce was already commonplace. Faile would have fit perfectly there; she may actually have liked that "strong husband that stood up to her". ?

Just 30 years later, we find the whole business appalling. Just as we find appalling Faile's behavior.

[Elder_Haman]

4 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

I somehow doubt all those actors had named roles and all were memorable.

There were not 127 named characters in Season One of GoT either. That's just wrong.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Elder_Haman