You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Cass]

Clov ❤️ ?

 

Morning all

 

Just finished night shift which was brutal, no promises brain even exists rn. 

 

Have skimmed, first couple pages after Day will reread after sleep.

 

The main thing sticking in my mind is Len's entry feels off. Possibly due to bias as I feel like several observations are geared toward shade rather than consideration. Eg. there's a marked shift in the interpretation/ perception of my activity/processes, which AFAICT have been the same 'surface level' questioning etc throughout and hasn't changed.

 

- Again makes the initial early support/approval/voting wrt me feel more convenient than legit a

(imo, need to go back over).

[seph]

The last post honestly makes me think kat is town.... as scum I just don’t see her making it. She would have problems either way but eventually she is going to try to blend in. 

Mans honestly I came in after yesterday wanting to lynch her but I think that I will fight anyone on it currently. It’s just a gut call but I think it’s a good one.

 

Ugh I haven’t even had a chance to hardly read any since daybroke. I saw the flip ? and I still want to go back and re read clov.

 

i saw one post about aj that I actually thought was townie as hell about lenlo coming at him. And regardless of what my thoughts were the ost few days I have actually liked most of his posts here and would not want to lynch there today.

 

dice.... bro I love you but I really just can’t read you. I honestly think your scum. Your post before eod about nominating clov after you made your case to get a two for one... I thought was Wolfy as hell. You should be making cases if you have them... it’s how you solve the game, you don’t need to be a accuser...

i have other problems as well but I feel like what clov and others are saying... well maybe they just have a better understanding than I do atm if you.

[Cass]

54 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I'm not a huge fan of this post, btw.

 

The reaction to Clov getting nked sounds pretty fake coupled with the heroic offer to lead in his place lol... and dropping in that Chris was beginning to gravitate towards AJ too makes it seem as if you're trying to associate it with his death.  I don't know what was Chris' stance irt AJ... but he was taking a leadership role in the game and that is prolly what got him killed. Any scum worth their salt would off Chris early on.

 

The rest... eh. I mean you kinda vomit this whole thing 3 minutes after day starts, but I'm not entirely convinced it's earnest work. I've done busy work as scum various times. This feels more like it's for show than real scumhunting.

 

My only pause is that I don't think I've seen you do this in the past as scum. Doesn't mean you're not capable of it, but it's a question mark for sure.

 

Mindmelds on most of this. Nyn, you getting scary??

 

IIRC Chris questioned both Len's drop off and feeling less certain about AJ.

 

I think Chris' accusation before EoD that Len had dropped off D2  _could_ work as motivation for a 'showy' post in either alignment imo, the quick reads and promise of read through yesterday was at least consistent.

 

Watching that space. 

 

What do you make of the interactions between AJ and Lenlo over it?

[Nynaeve]

2 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

Mindmelds on most of this. Nyn, you getting scary??

 

IIRC Chris questioned both Len's drop off and feeling less certain about AJ.

 

I think Chris' accusation before EoD that Len had dropped off D2  _could_ work as motivation for a 'showy' post in either alignment imo, the quick reads and promise of read through yesterday was at least consistent.

 

Watching that space. 

 

What do you make of the interactions between AJ and Lenlo over it?

 

I skimmed it a bit, but it didn't feel like a v/v exchange. Something about it feels.... forced?  it didn't flow as well as I'd like. Out of the two I think AJ sounds better.

 

And I'm always scary. ?

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

Dice (2) - Nyn, Kat

 

Not Voting (6) - AJ, Dice, Cass, Darc, Illian, Seph

 

Dec 9th at 9pm EST

 

[Cass]

36 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I skimmed it a bit, but it didn't feel like a v/v exchange. Something about it feels.... forced?  it didn't flow as well as I'd like. Out of the two I think AJ sounds better.

 

And I'm always scary. ?

 

Not anymore ?

 

Talk to me about what you know of AJ/Lenlo's Scum v. Town games?

 

I have zip idea on Lenlo's usual plays/tone etc, other than an idea that he's a ?bold? scum player.

 

@dicetosser1 would appreciate your take on this too, and what if anything you're seeing here wrt either of these two.

 

I caught a bit of random AJ tone/paused with some lines like the 'bold move, Cotton' thing - sticks out uncomfortably for me, but Lenlo feels like he's sticking too hard to the early jump on AJ.

 

I also feel like this is taking up too much space ITT >.< 

 

[Cass]

1 hour ago, Katiora said:

 

 

Honestly this game I don't know that you'll get a lot of thoughts from me. I've said this repeatedly. And I haven't seen anyone do any better honestly, I hate the way the system of this game works. I hate it. (sorry cory) I can't scum hunt like this. EVERYTHING is conjecture. I have nothing to go on. We have one person's case to build something on. Both times the person building that case has been NK'd. Last night hardly anyone bothered to vote at all. How the heck am I supposed to build a case from that? The only person posting real accusations in the thread is Lenlo and I think he's way off base. I also think he's probably town, but that doesn't make what he says any truer. In fact that just means he's more likely to have no clue what's really going on just like the rest of us. This is honestly the most frustrating game I've ever been in as town. And I hate it. I think it would have been better if they cop hadn't made such a big target of herself D1 and gotten killed. At least at some point we could have built a town core. But as it sits I have no clue what to do. 

 

 

Vote: Dice

 

I generally don't follow/analyse the same way, but I'm not sure I agree that it's so much harder than usual? In any game, we have:

 

- Who people question/push/support and whether their thought processes/explanations line up.

 

That doesn't change here and can be looked at kind of how you'd look at the building of trains, with words etc instead of votes?

 

If you look at the defendant as the 'leading train', you still see where people put their vote, and I'd argue it would be harder for Scum to hide here, as they'd have to try and secure a lynch without the safety of knowing a train is already going to go through thanks to misplaced Town votes?

 

We've had both a Scum and a Town flip. How do you normally go about assessing post-lynch?

 

I look at last night's VC and go:

 

Penguin flipped Town. It is highly likely there was mafia on the lynch.

 

AJ

Kat

Clov

Lenlo 

 

All voted to lynch him.

 

Clov - Is clear. Was uncertain either way/leaning possi-Town but for clearing up PoE

 

AJ - was at Penguin all day relentlessly, with ?less consideration as to how Penguin's views might come from Town

Kat - I can't remember position on Penguin ITT. Abstained from voting WolfHalli - ?NAI as I wouldn't expect you to vote D1 anyway

Lenlo - Can't remember position on Penguin ITT

 

Dice voted No - consistent with an early lean

 

Abstains were

Illian - Clear

Cass - FWIW was leaning towards reading him probably Town and would've voted that way if I hadn't mucked up timing

Darc - was suspicious-> null on Penguin ITT; mindmeld on the thought process/explanation about deliberating between the three options based on read vs. lynch; strong FoS and vote on Halli D1

 

Nyn-

Seph - 

 

 

GTH final 2 wolves in 

AJ/Lenlo/Kat/Nyn/Seph

[Cass]

21 hours ago, Lenlo said:

Shocker, Chris was killed. Who woulda guessed. He was startin to see with me on AJ to. Well I must lead in your place my friend.

 

 

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Page 1-5:
Lots of jokes. Chris comes out with the first real game post trying to explain a good strat for the new accuse mechanic. (+1)

Chris also brought it up, but AJ's weird TMI assumption that he wasn't peeked. To early to be a slip, but it pings (-0.5)

Seph says to vote our wolf reads. Why? This gives them power. Just not understanding how it works? Following posts make this seem just a slip up. I don't think Seph would be able/willing to risk such a play as faking confusion. What would it accomplish? Assuming anyone read the rules, it would only paint a target on him. 

Page 6-10:
Lots of jokes goin on still. Lots of mechanics talk. Chris trying to force people to find town/wolves, worry bout mechanics later (+1).

Page 7, Darc fishing for cop here? Asking how Seph would know he was town he Seph just asked a question (-1)

Dice not making up a read on Penguin, could be avoiding judging a teammate or just being honest. UPDATE: With Penguin flipping town, this looks better for Dice imo. Wolf could easily have made up a town read here. (+1)

Page 10, Penguin questioning the town reads on AJ. If penguin flips wolf, could look good for AJ, but he wasnt a wolf

Tripped says Darc has trouble being active as a wolf, and they are comfy in thread. Tripped flipped town, so this is an honest read. (+1 for Darc)?

Hallia says a solid core is Chris/Me/Cass/AJ, odds are there is a wolf in there. So (*) for Cass and AJ. Nyn also pops in

Page 11-15:
Hallia repeats an AJ town read. Also mentions Dice, so worth looking into people she is mentioning specifically. Also Hallias "I hope we are on the same team (town)" should have been a dead give away.

Need to watch Darcs posting. Tripped says their activity dips as wolf as the game goes. Cass seems to be poking around the thread a lot, asking multiple people questions (+1)

Dice reads list. Mentions Hallia scares him, first mention of Hallia distrust? Good thing for Dice (+1). Could be hedging, but its the first mention of someone distrusting her.

Kat really checks in now. AJ Hot Takes Dice, says he is grumpier as Wolf. Worth thinking about on flips (?)

Kat friending up the big players AJ and Chris with how she wants to read them town? 

Page 16-20:
Page 17, the infamous AJ defends Nyn post. Still looks bad to me, there was basically no pressure on Nyn (-1). Also AJ said was ok with a "Back to front" lynch order of Hallia/Nyn/Me/Darthe/Bwn. So he was soft defending Hallia here to (-1).

Penguin being pedantic with what a lie detector is and not really contributing (-1). Page 18 he also dodges telling who he would accuse, taking note if he ever returns to this like he said he would (#). Continues to bog down the thread with polygraph talk. 

Here I go in on AJ. Chris is walking through it, not immediatly shooting it down and heading in on what could have been an easy lynch. Tryin to understand (+1). Seph seems to be soft-defending AJ here a bit.

Page 21-25:
Darc says he wouldnt accuse me, and he also places Hallia on the end of his "Would accuse" list. Its oddly ordered imo. AJ Also comes back at this point.

Penguin comes in and says he hasnt read, but he is posting so... why? (-1) Faking activity? AJ reacting poorly to my post on him and Nyn imo. Very defensive over what was a light poke. (-1)
Seph is lazer focused on Darc here. I dont see them as teams, because Seph could easily let Darc rest here. He has made his point and distanced from him, but he just keeps going in. I like it. (+1)

AJ also brushes off Sephs raised point of why he isnt extending the same courtesy to Penguin. Could see an AJ/Penguin team. Dice pops in here, but doesn't really comment on anything. Goes out of his way to say he has an opinion on me/AJ but doesnt give it until someone asks for it.

Im not seeing the same things in Cass as I did on first read-through. Lots of activity, lots of surface level spreading the talk around.

Page 26-30:
Cass says she has good reads on Dice, AJ, Kat and Hallia. Yet Hallia flipped wolf. Why does Cass have a town read of her if she is good at reading her? (-1). The only thing really hanging in there for me on Cass is activity and spread out chatter. I like it, but sometimes it feels surface level. (+1)

Some serious salt between Darc and Penguin. I doubt they could be on a team together. Darc speaking out against Hallia here before her lynch. Good look (+1).

AJ Misreps my argument with him here, saying it was about going after Nyn and not him (-1). Hallia does a lot of sadling up to people here. Me, Chris, Nyn. Grouping us all together here. Would she go all town, or lump in a teammate in there? If so its probably Nyn (-.5) over Chris.

Cass has Penguin and Hallia in her WTL here. If Penguin flips wolf, thats a good look for her UPDATE: Wasnt a wolf. AJ isnt taking the easy push on me with Cass's leading question about me "hasnt given other reads" aspect. He is thinking it out (+1). Hallia gets salty at Darc for calling her a trash read. Curious if this means anything one way or the other (?).

Kat doesnt want to lynch Chris, AJ, Nyn or Hallia. We already know Hallia was a wolf. Makes it known how open to being persuaded any way she is (-1). Chris makes it known Kat responds to pressure. So heres pressure. Chris's post here about Darc and Penguin once again makes me think they arnt on a team together (?). Nyn says she will catchup tom.

Chris makes the big push on Hallia (+2). No lynch without this imo.

Page 31-35:

Cass scalls out Penguin for providing 0 reads. (+1 Cass, -1 Penguin). More lolcatting from Penguin.

Hallia gets lynched. No vote from Cass (-1), Kat (-1) or Penguin (-1) and a No from AJ (-1). Yes from Darc, Dice, Nyn, Seph and Chris (+1 to all).

AJ Mentions putting Penguin on the stage right at the start, based on flip could be bad or good UPDATE: AJ Put Penguin on the slab from the beginning. If Penguin was a wolf, this would look good for him. Penguin wasnt a wolf. Penguin also immediatly defends. Suddenly a lot more interested in the game with the Hallia flip. Then removes self from game for awhile. 

Fighting between Penguin and AJ, looks good for AJ if he flips wolf, but could be distancing UPDATE: Flipped town, so not distancign.. AJ coming out the gate with lots against Penguin. Feels a bit out of nowhere. 

Page 36-40:
I swear to god, why do people keep thinking im a woman? Is my ass just that nice? Dice being nitpicky on Chris. This just seems idiotic for a wolf, at this point. (+1)

Penguin is actually posting and caring today. Tentative (+0.5) cause of activity, but this could easily be "scared straight" by Hallia going down so early. AJ says that if Nyn is a wolf, it looks bad on me, yadda yadda, stupid post (-1)

AJ saying that Penguin not around to vote means Hallia was likely bussed. If Penguin is a wolf, this is bad for AJ. UPDATE: Wasnt a wolf, so not bad for AJ. 

Page 41-45:
Ill admit to skimming more and more the closer I get to more recent content.

The post by Kat on page 41 feels like damage control. I have no basis for this, just gut. (-1). Kat continues to ask people their thoughts, never offering her own. Chris noticing Kat to. Seph though is just putting in so much effort here. He doesn't seem the type to do this as a wolf. I like it (+1)

Lots of back and forth with Penguin. Im all for this lynch. Everyone ganging on Penguin now. Based on flip, could be interesting. 

Page 46-50:
Page 51-52:
I outright skimmed these. I know what happened in them. Here is where I am at. 

Follow to the ends of the earth.
 

 

 

Illian - Peeked Town

 

Would not lynch
dicetosser1 - +4
seph - +3

 

Would prefer not to lynch
Cass - +2 *
darc-star - +2

 

Would accept lynching
Nynaeve - +0.5

 

Would accuse 10 times out of 10
Katiora - -3
Andrej - -5.5 *

 

Lots of abstains here. Not good. Wager there is atleast one wolf in there probbaly. Feel comfy goin after Kat and AJ though.

 

I apologize if this fails to spoiler correctly.
 

 

 

@Lenlo

 

Can you explain how Nyn is at    +   0.5 for you, the only focus/numbers I see for her here are -0.5 (in relation to Hallia lumping You/Nyn/Clov together) and a note that she says she'll come back (no numbers assigned, no follow-up).

 

How did/would you/why wouldn't you assign numbers to the rest of her posts, including in her back and forth with AJ etc?

[Cass]

Also

 

We could (?should) fix the problem of not having usual trains etc by having informal votes for lynchee/defendent, say with the format ACCUSE: [PLAYER NAME]

 

Might spice things up

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

4 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

 

You'd be cool with it solely on your read on him independent of which direction he takes it?

Obviously not, its why I asked him where he was going. If he decided to accuse me/Seph I wouldn't vote for him.

 

But I like his slot enough that, assuming a reasonable target pool or a good case, I would have no issues giving him accuser power.

 

2 hours ago, Cass said:

 

Mindmelds on most of this. Nyn, you getting scary??

 

IIRC Chris questioned both Len's drop off and feeling less certain about AJ.

 

I think Chris' accusation before EoD that Len had dropped off D2  _could_ work as motivation for a 'showy' post in either alignment imo, the quick reads and promise of read through yesterday was at least consistent.

 

Watching that space. 

 

What do you make of the interactions between AJ and Lenlo over it?

I told Chris I would be doing a re-read and post during nightphase. And then I did it. I made a promise, and followed through. I don't see why thats confusing.

 

1 hour ago, Cass said:

 

GTH final 2 wolves in 

AJ/Lenlo/Kat/Nyn/Seph

Why is Darc not in your list on the bottom?

[Lenlo]

3 hours ago, seph said:

The last post honestly makes me think kat is town.... as scum I just don’t see her making it. She would have problems either way but eventually she is going to try to blend in. 

Mans honestly I came in after yesterday wanting to lynch her but I think that I will fight anyone on it currently. It’s just a gut call but I think it’s a good one.

 

Ugh I haven’t even had a chance to hardly read any since daybroke. I saw the flip ? and I still want to go back and re read clov.

 

i saw one post about aj that I actually thought was townie as hell about lenlo coming at him. And regardless of what my thoughts were the ost few days I have actually liked most of his posts here and would not want to lynch there today.

 

dice.... bro I love you but I really just can’t read you. I honestly think your scum. Your post before eod about nominating clov after you made your case to get a two for one... I thought was Wolfy as hell. You should be making cases if you have them... it’s how you solve the game, you don’t need to be a accuser...

i have other problems as well but I feel like what clov and others are saying... well maybe they just have a better understanding than I do atm if you.

Well thats a big flip on Kat.

 

As for the AJ post, point it out to me? Gimme a specific? You giving us a bunch of "would not lynch here" without providing an alternative. Gimme an alternative

[dicetosser1]

9 hours ago, seph said:

The last post honestly makes me think kat is town.... as scum I just don’t see her making it. She would have problems either way but eventually she is going to try to blend in. 

Mans honestly I came in after yesterday wanting to lynch her but I think that I will fight anyone on it currently. It’s just a gut call but I think it’s a good one.

 

Ugh I haven’t even had a chance to hardly read any since daybroke. I saw the flip ? and I still want to go back and re read clov.

 

i saw one post about aj that I actually thought was townie as hell about lenlo coming at him. And regardless of what my thoughts were the ost few days I have actually liked most of his posts here and would not want to lynch there today.

 

dice.... bro I love you but I really just can’t read you. I honestly think your scum. Your post before eod about nominating clov after you made your case to get a two for one... I thought was Wolfy as hell. You should be making cases if you have them... it’s how you solve the game, you don’t need to be a accuser...

i have other problems as well but I feel like what clov and others are saying... well maybe they just have a better understanding than I do atm if you.

 

i had already layed out my nyn case before i said that about clov.

 

so you think im scum??  Why? lay it out for me.

 

 

7 hours ago, Cass said:

 

Not anymore ?

 

Talk to me about what you know of AJ/Lenlo's Scum v. Town games?

 

I have zip idea on Lenlo's usual plays/tone etc, other than an idea that he's a ?bold? scum player.

 

@dicetosser1 would appreciate your take on this too, and what if anything you're seeing here wrt either of these two.

 

I caught a bit of random AJ tone/paused with some lines like the 'bold move, Cotton' thing - sticks out uncomfortably for me, but Lenlo feels like he's sticking too hard to the early jump on AJ.

 

I also feel like this is taking up too much space ITT >.< 

 

 

I cant remember lenlo going this hard as scum at someone let alone someone of AJs level/rep. He might do it at someone like me for eg but the AJs clovs atc of this site i dont think he would.

 

 I THINK their town town but i DO have a small thought that it could be w/t   and id think the wolf is len over aj tbh. but thats a very small thought. and its coming out of lenlo being so tunneled in.

[Andrej]

Landed safely but not much sleep ?

 

I will try to check in every so often over the weekend. Off the top I don’t see the scum motive in Lenlo putting himself out there like he did this phase. The work isn’t perfect but I think it’s earnest at least, maybe. Idk... it doesn’t reconcile with the scum!Len that I’ve played against before. Much more likely to sit back and let town kill each other and only make the big play with the game on the line.

 

People knocking him down right now are suspect.

 

Vote Dice

 

Feel most confident giving the FOS stick here

[Cass]

7 hours ago, Lenlo said:

I told Chris I would be doing a re-read and post during nightphase. And then I did it. I made a promise, and followed through. I don't see why thats confusing.

 

Why is Darc not in your list on the bottom?

 

It's not confusing - it's just a thing and now we get to figure out where you're coming from with it. 

 

Why you haven't answered the questions about Nyn in the post after the one you quoted?

 

The explanation for Darc being above that list is in the same post you're questioning:

 

 "Darc - was suspicious-> null on Penguin ITT; mindmeld on the thought process/explanation about deliberating between the three options based on read vs. lynch; strong FoS and vote on Halli D1"

 

Ie - She had a strong FoS on Halli D1 and voted accordingly; and I can follow her processes on Penguin. 

 

I intend to reread with more focus on her,  but that's where I'm at for now, and there's also the fact that both Tripped and Chris were fairly confident in their read of her for both the above and interactions with Penguin D1.

[Cass]

Ta Dice/AJ for the Len aspects. 

And Happy Anniversary weekend AJ!

 

@Nynaeve where are you at reads wise atm? Who would you be voting rn if this was a normal game?

 

@Katiora same question?

 

 

[darc-star]

21 hours ago, Katiora said:

 

To me Penguin's lynch was inevitable. His attitude and lack of effort last day phase made it so that he would always be a question mark. With town having a bit of a head start I thought it was good to go ahead and get him out of the way, though I think Nyn would have been a better choice honestly. I do think it is...... weird.. that so many people abstained from voting. I mean I could have understand one or two not voting because of rl something but... just to abstain. We are going to quickly have to take a stand one way or another. While you say we may have 3 ML's I'd rather us not have to go that many. Taking a stand is the only way that we will get information this game. 

 

I'm not on a team with Nyn, i'm not on a team with anyone. Though honestly I think Nyn may be a good case for today to look at. Lenlo I think your case is based on conjecture and misconstrued comments, I don't know that AJ is scum or town, but trying to pair us together is laughable. Right now I'm thinking I will most likely vote Dice for accuser unless something changes by 5pm cst to change my mind. 

 

 

 

Can't remember exactly what i was gonna say here

It might have been something about how you're ok with using a mislynch on bwn, but not ok on people not being certain about him because we shouldn't be using our mislynches...

 

Or it might have been you specifying not being on a team, because that sounds unnatural to me, same as hali specifying a town team

 

Or i might have just wanted to agree with the dice part, he was my second choice yesterday, and nothings changed that so far

 

21 hours ago, Lenlo said:

 

Im... not pairing you together? Your both just wolf-reads right now. The top ones I am willing to lynch. Im not making a case that your on the same team. I will re-evaluate everything once another wolf flips. As of right now, I think your both the most likely wolves out there.

 

I appreciate the pop in comment on it though. Maybe give some of your own thoughts though instead of hedging?

 Do you think they could be teamed?

Ie, would a flip on one change your opinion on the other?

I think you might have answered this since then, if so, ignore me, but i can't delete the quote and i think that's why i had it here

 

18 hours ago, Kaylee said:

I celebrated 5 years last weekend. 

 

Nice! 2 years for me in two weeks (or so)

 

17 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

oh i missed cass

 

im thinking shes town. But PLEASE make ure own decisions there and dont take my thoughts on it.

 

I like this

But i agree, so I'm taking your thoughts on that

 

16 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I'm not a huge fan of this post, btw.

 

The reaction to Clov getting nked sounds pretty fake coupled with the heroic offer to lead in his place lol... and dropping in that Chris was beginning to gravitate towards AJ too makes it seem as if you're trying to associate it with his death.  I don't know what was Chris' stance irt AJ... but he was taking a leadership role in the game and that is prolly what got him killed. Any scum worth their salt would off Chris early on.

 

The rest... eh. I mean you kinda vomit this whole thing 3 minutes after day starts, but I'm not entirely convinced it's earnest work. I've done busy work as scum various times. This feels more like it's for show than real scumhunting.

 

My only pause is that I don't think I've seen you do this in the past as scum. Doesn't mean you're not capable of it, but it's a question mark for sure.

 

I get what you mean on the chris reaction, and that's one reason i questioned (but didn't get any response on) him editing every single mention of bwn

Like, it feels like he's trying really hard to be getting town credit for showing his every thought, in a way that doesn't seem genuine

I would have put one disclaimer on the bwn thing and left the rest of my work untouched, or deleted everything that's irrelevant instead

 

But, the effort is genuine, i dunno if len is a high effort scum player, and i otherwise read him as town, so... I'm not gonna question it too much

Would have been nice to not be ignored, but I'm used to that

 

15 hours ago, Katiora said:

 

 

Honestly this game I don't know that you'll get a lot of thoughts from me. I've said this repeatedly. And I haven't seen anyone do any better honestly, I hate the way the system of this game works. I hate it. (sorry cory) I can't scum hunt like this. EVERYTHING is conjecture. I have nothing to go on. We have one person's case to build something on. Both times the person building that case has been NK'd. Last night hardly anyone bothered to vote at all. How the heck am I supposed to build a case from that? The only person posting real accusations in the thread is Lenlo and I think he's way off base. I also think he's probably town, but that doesn't make what he says any truer. In fact that just means he's more likely to have no clue what's really going on just like the rest of us. This is honestly the most frustrating game I've ever been in as town. And I hate it. I think it would have been better if they cop hadn't made such a big target of herself D1 and gotten killed. At least at some point we could have built a town core. But as it sits I have no clue what to do. 

 

 

Vote: Dice

 

I can empathize a lot here

I mean, i thought i was having difficulty because the style here is different, and i only had meta on a few people

But maybe it is just that this system is lacking... Something... For information

 

13 hours ago, Cass said:

 

GTH final 2 wolves in 

AJ/Lenlo/Kat/Nyn/Seph

 

Any preference in lynch order?

 

12 hours ago, Cass said:

Also

 

We could (?should) fix the problem of not having usual trains etc by having informal votes for lynchee/defendent, say with the format ACCUSE: [PLAYER NAME]

 

Might spice things up

 

 

Was thinking of that on d1, and i think someone else mentioned it itt

I did play one game where we voted for who would get a vig shot, and it was thrown around then too as a way to direct whoever gets chosen

It would definitely help for info

But it also takes away from how well we can read into whoever we vote as accuser, as there's an easy consensus itt for them to select from

That's probably less of a worry, now that i think about it, so long as we trust whoever we select

[darc-star]

Sorry i haven't been around much today, Saturday is the worst, and Fridays second worst, and my husband's been trying to get me to play a new game with him that's taken up a chunk of free time

But he's on nights now, so I'll have more time to be here during my day time

 

vote dice

 

dint think my reads have changed very much

Probably a bit more towny on len than before

Happy with aj so far, would like to see more pushing from him

Unsure on kat and nyn

Cass is probably town too

 

Night

[seph]

Sorry all I don’t have much time atm. I’ll try to  answer any questions I missed tomorrow. But then I’m gone until Monday.

 

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

Dice (4) - Nyn, Kat, AJ, Darc

 

Not Voting (4) - Dice, Cass, Illian, Seph

 

Dec 9th at 9pm EST

 

[Nynaeve]

On 12/8/2018 at 12:57 PM, Cass said:

Ta Dice/AJ for the Len aspects. 

And Happy Anniversary weekend AJ!

 

@Nynaeve where are you at reads wise atm? Who would you be voting rn if this was a normal game?

 

@Katiora same question?

 

 

 

Id prolly be voting lenlo to lynch.

 

You and dice seem ok. Darc I dont know but clov seemed pretty comfortable with her so I'm gonna assume he knows what he's talking about. Mostly cause he usually does lol

 

AJ is prolly town? But I wouldnt be shocked if I ended up being wrong on that slot.

 

Seph is always a mistery to me. I dont have much to say on that slot one way or the other. Would lynch as PoE if it came to it.

 

Kat has nothing going for her but AtE. I'd like to think she wouldnt resort to it as scum. But who knows.

 

Once Im dead, I'd look into resolving the AJ vs Lenlo deal. Unless scum are pulling an all star performance (which could be lol), I find it hard to believe those two are v/v.

[Nynaeve]

Take it with a grain of salt though cause this is based off maybe a fourth of the content of the game.

[Lenlo]

On 12/7/2018 at 8:45 PM, Cass said:

 

 

@Lenlo

 

Can you explain how Nyn is at    +   0.5 for you, the only focus/numbers I see for her here are -0.5 (in relation to Hallia lumping You/Nyn/Clov together) and a note that she says she'll come back (no numbers assigned, no follow-up).

Nyn got the +1 for voting to lynch Hallia the wolf. -.5 + 1 = +.5

[darc-star]

1 hour ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Id prolly be voting lenlo to lynch.

 

You and dice seem ok. Darc I dont know but clov seemed pretty comfortable with her so I'm gonna assume he knows what he's talking about. Mostly cause he usually does lol

 

AJ is prolly town? But I wouldnt be shocked if I ended up being wrong on that slot.

 

Seph is always a mistery to me. I dont have much to say on that slot one way or the other. Would lynch as PoE if it came to it.

 

Kat has nothing going for her but AtE. I'd like to think she wouldnt resort to it as scum. But who knows.

 

Once Im dead, I'd look into resolving the AJ vs Lenlo deal. Unless scum are pulling an all star performance (which could be lol), I find it hard to believe those two are v/v.

 

Why len?

And what makes you think len and aj are w/v?

[Illian Tear]

Btw if the mafia were smart, they would've killed Clov and Aj 1st unless Aj was mafia.

[Lenlo]

There is always the fear that, the longer AJ is alive the more likely he is to be mafia. shrug

 

Suppose we will see after today. If AJ is town, him getting shot would not be a good look for me. But this is speculation on night kills, and that often isnt helpful.