The sad fact is that many people here have not been discussing the show or the books but have been simply on a crusade against certain politics. No matter what people think regarding the quality of the show I cannot understand people that don't appreciate the extra content regarding the story, and I don't mean the show itself, but all the discussions, the fodder for content creators, the new members on sites like DM... even if you were only united in your hatred of the show. I think the difference between people such as Samt (sorry to pick on you) who may disagree with me on nearly everything but clearly is invested in the books and this community, and these anti-woke crusaders who gatekeep the books while often showing really poor understanding of the books is very clear.

*is suspicious, lol.

I'm not doubting the claim. My point is that everything single thing Darthe has done is anti-town that I can see. Clearing Ed. Attacking me without any reasons. Voting on Teph's counter train. Bullying people in thread for not agreeing with him. Not making a case about anything. So I am deeply, deeply suspicious of his behaviour. In this context, it makes no sense just to accept his claim about anyone's alignment. I mean we are at 8-2 if we are lucky at the moment, 7-3 if you count the Symp. If Darthe is not telling the truth we'll be at 4-2 with the Symp still along (assuming one mafia NK per night and no other mishaps). And he wants to eliminate me as well without question, that is a straight mafia victory and it relies on no reads, no case, no mod confirmation, just a "trust me bro" where if we do and we shouldn't we have lost the game. Am I really the only person that isn't suspicious about this?

Totally about progression. But I would argue there is a difference in saying 1) I feel good about player x for this reason and bad about them for that reason, so I'm feeling null. This shows what you are thinking and is something that people can read sincerity into, and you can be held accountable for if you contradict yourself later. And 2) player X might be defending me because they think I'm town, or for town cred when I flip (even though there are no flips) or because they want to use this in a different argument or I might be completely wrong. This doesn't show what you think about any possibilities, it isn't something that can be read for intention, and there is nothing there that you can be held accountable for at a later date as it is only talking about possibilities, not what reads/feelings are. With Sinister it is awkward as I have no example of how Town!Sinister plays, and too often this obfuscating style of posting seems far too reminiscent of Wolf!Sinister. And yes, I'm bitter and jealous that he keeps talking about what fun it was to play as wolf and confuse everyone when they already were completely confused, lol. When is it going to be my turn, huh?

Here Darthe again is using the argument, "you don't know how to play, do what I say or you are a liability". While the information about his claim certainly holds up, the argument that Gud or anyone therefore must believe his claim about Turin/Sinister as true is simply not true at all. Not even taking into account the bus driver. Hilarious "complex reasons", I presume too complex to go into with such poor players as us? We'll just take your word for it then. Darthe has just come into thread and with very little reasoning attacked most people who don't agree with him. Ithi he loves but she is completely wrong. He needs Gud not to be a liability. (Note these are the two as good as confirmed Townies so long as no one CCs, which probably should have happened by now if it was going to.) I'm an obvious wolf for obvious yet unstated reasons (and still no explanation for the flyby vote). Ed is solid town because he shot me without voting or being current in the thread. Peace is trying solve when he is arguing about flavour of the scenes when the mechanics make it 100% clear what went down, and he is obviously town as he has multiple posts that Darthe claims would be difficult to make as a wolf even though other experienced players don't see this. I still don't get the "Darthe gonna Darthe" as some free pass to do things without a case, without reasons. Darthe is trying to turn around the entire narrative and his sole argument is that it is so obvious that we all should see it, no further explanation necessary. I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with an explanation of how this could be town behaviour, and that invitation is also open to Darthe himself. Or is it all just "complex reasons" that no one else will understand?

Your read on me (that has no reasoning whatsoever) is so good that you are clearing someone that is confident enough to shoot someone, but not vote and admits is not current in the thread. This is what I am talking about garbage reads, they don't have anything to the actual game. Ed has made no case against me, explained to reads, given no reasoning. But you are clearing him because you want me dead for reasons that you aren't willing to share. Where do you both get this confidence? The only place I can see is if you are on the mafia/symp side of things. Town has to work things out from reasoning and reads, something completely lacking from both of you.

Words have meaning, Darthe. I said it was your reads that were garbage, and it was a disappointment to read your post. It is kind of hilarious that after getting burned and deaded for taking the position of "Git gud, noob" and offering to teach me how to play last game when I sussed you, you are now taking the injured position of "Heavy is being mean to me". Isn't a good look, especially not when you are also calling me a serial loser and claiming that I'm so bad that I should be policy lynched every game. I see you have built on your garbage raisin-free case of "these are wolf posts, this is a wolf" by calling my posts "slop" that any townie worth their salt can tell is from a wolf. Still completely free of any reasons as to how my reasoning or behaviour has anything to do with alignment at all except for "trust me, bro". I repeat, this is total garbage.

Absolutely 🥰 @SinisterDeath my apologies for allowing my frustration to show, and please don't think that I am telling you how to play, or how you are allowed to play or post. If I can try to rephrase my point in a less abrasive way, I feel making posts purely about possibilities is muddying the waters. I appreciate people showing their thought processes but at the same time posting a lot of maybe this or maybe the opposite, isn't showing any progression, is showing what you actually think about something and isn't something that anyone can get a read on except for the feeling that someone is being deliberately vague and longwinded to have a thread presence without actually giving reads they can be judged on or held accountable for at a later date. I hope that is a clearer way of making my point. Of course, you do you, absolutely and without qualification.

Good morning all 🙂 @DPR could we have confirmation on the Hot Potato role? Given the imagery invoked by a Hot Potato being thrown amongst the players and the use of the definitive article on "the potato", I assumed that the potato in question was the whole role. Is it in fact just a role blocker with another name?

That was a joke. Springfield is where the Simpsons live 🙂 my deadpan delivery must have confused you. I'm going to bed and quite thankful for it. Night guys.

Saying you think Shad might be defending you for town cred would have been more succint. I think we the concept without you talking for five minutes about how you played last game. And then adding in a bunch of weird other possibilities does not seem to really show where your head is at. This is getting really annoying, Sinister. (see how I could say that without spending four paragraphs explaining about something that was annoying in the previous game?)

Springfield, obviously.

That is a lot of ifs. And we can leave it up to individual players to reveal what is helpful to Town if they are Town. Hunting a Bus Driver because they might have info which might change which ifs we are looking at doesn't help. And if the Apportioner was something other than a 1* ability would it not be mentioned in the PM given to the Apportioner? What are you going here except trying to amplify the confusion? Why are voting Turin if you think Darthe's reading for whatever reason cannot be trusted? We need to concentrate on what we can do, rather than seek to paralyse the discussion if all these "ifs" and "maybes". What are your reads is important, not discussing specs constantly and coming to no conclusion except for we don't know. You're being really sus. You don't seem to be helping solve at all while filling the thread with nonsense. If you are town, you need to be more focused. If a spec discussion can help, great. Just throwing everything out as we don't know this does not help and does not get us closer to catching wolves or building cases. Everyone is starting to sketch me out. Why is no one talking about who they find suspicious?

The OP says the Potato is moved every night. So as far as I can see that means Teph didn't start with it. It's existence is probably pro-mafia, but it doesn't necessarily start there. Not sure why anyone would think it would confirm Teph as mafia. The setup doesn't seem to imply that to me.

Why, what does this achieve? Why dont we concentrate on who is acting suspicious, and who appears to have an agenda and who is derailing the thread with nonsense. Bus driver is probably mafia. If town good chance no one would believe them. Could you succinctly say what you are trying to get at?

The potato must be passed on each night. The Apportioner was a 1* ability, using it once to keep a wolf alive for one night on the off chance the target is the Siren seems a bit of waste. I cannot shake the feeling that you are not trying to be helpful with these kind of sprawling posts about possibilities a lot of which seem pretty irrelevant. Like the Bus driver seems likely to be mafia. Not necesarily but not sure asking anyone to claim would help resolve anything unless the people they targeted is significant, but would we trust them anyway? There is something weird about Turin/Sinister. The way the keep talking about the bus driver driving them places. The way they are voting for each other when if we believe Darthe and choose to eliminate we need to do them both, we won't get flips so why are they bickering with each other rather than looking for the other wolves. And there is something muted about their interactions. Meh. I'm getting paranoid. But any chance you can keep things more focused, Sinister, rather than discussing every role at once and seeming to get a lot of your details wrong?

We have to share this with our bestest buddy, no?

Raisins, young man. Why not vote?

Ah sorry missed your first post. Don't think that is really much answer for me but thanks.

I'm not disputing any of that, I'm asking about his behaviour.

The bus driver makes Darthe's info even more sus. I mean, they could both be wolves, Lolololol. Don't like basing eliminations, two days worth, on such flaky info. Not that I don't have my suspicions but it seems a suboptimal way to choose targets. Can anyone give me an explanation that would square any of Darthe's behaviour with being Town aligned? He is happy with the Teph elimination but also wants to eliminate me, despite my claim despite how adamant some people were to eliminate me over Teph. He makes a flyby vote that starts my train while admitting he hasn't read the thread. He gives Berf and Peace both glowing reads about how natural they are. His case against me is "this is a wolf post. This is a wolf". I cannot see how this is a sincere town player. Can any of you explain why nearly everyone is accepting him as the towniest townie that has ever towned? I'm happy to be convinced, I just cannot see the slightest possibility that it is true. So what are you guys seeing that I am not?

Also all this business with the flavour or not, we know in this case it perfectly aligns. There is only one NK in game, the wolves. The only other mechanic that can kill someone is the Siren. Leelou had no way of interacting with the Siren at night. If I'm mistaken on any of these points, I'd love to hear it. Harping on about its only flavour does not make you look good. The scene pointed to this, the mechanics back it up. No guarantee it will in other situations but we can cross those bridges when we come to them.

Dude, rope was being given. Why did you not wsnt to hear Peace's theories?

How would that work? And why do you think it?

Because there is no other NK. I'm alive. Dice was copdoc and died. What is your theory, Peace?