Raisins, young man. Why not vote?

Ah sorry missed your first post. Don't think that is really much answer for me but thanks.

I'm not disputing any of that, I'm asking about his behaviour.

The bus driver makes Darthe's info even more sus. I mean, they could both be wolves, Lolololol. Don't like basing eliminations, two days worth, on such flaky info. Not that I don't have my suspicions but it seems a suboptimal way to choose targets. Can anyone give me an explanation that would square any of Darthe's behaviour with being Town aligned? He is happy with the Teph elimination but also wants to eliminate me, despite my claim despite how adamant some people were to eliminate me over Teph. He makes a flyby vote that starts my train while admitting he hasn't read the thread. He gives Berf and Peace both glowing reads about how natural they are. His case against me is "this is a wolf post. This is a wolf". I cannot see how this is a sincere town player. Can any of you explain why nearly everyone is accepting him as the towniest townie that has ever towned? I'm happy to be convinced, I just cannot see the slightest possibility that it is true. So what are you guys seeing that I am not?

Also all this business with the flavour or not, we know in this case it perfectly aligns. There is only one NK in game, the wolves. The only other mechanic that can kill someone is the Siren. Leelou had no way of interacting with the Siren at night. If I'm mistaken on any of these points, I'd love to hear it. Harping on about its only flavour does not make you look good. The scene pointed to this, the mechanics back it up. No guarantee it will in other situations but we can cross those bridges when we come to them.

Dude, rope was being given. Why did you not wsnt to hear Peace's theories?

How would that work? And why do you think it?

Because there is no other NK. I'm alive. Dice was copdoc and died. What is your theory, Peace?

Darthe claims Mentalist and claims he got a reading of Turin/Sinister as different alignment. Hence all the votes on Sinister. I would have thought you had seen that but just in case lol. I have a strong suspicion that Darthe isn't playing straight, given all of his actions and a lot of his reads.

Looks like maybe I was misremembering about Peace. It was more Peace sussing Leelou than Leelou sussing Peace. My apologies. Ateast in unless I missed a post but it seems Leelou just corrected Peace, and did not openly sus him for accusing her of distancing. I was also voting berf before Teph and became the counter train and got shot. Hmm.

Dice would have to pass them on, and I doubt he realised he was messing with the Siren. Sadly he could even have been protecting them, but you think the cop in this game would be a better role. Dice brought me back to life instead of Teph. I think that clears him pretty much.

Leelou was set against Peace and Berf. Unless I misremembering. The straight forward thing to do is remove her. Anyone is sus just WIFOM. Killing her to leave a false trail is possible but that leaves the possibility you are leaving people more suspicious of you alive. Unless the wolves are under no suspicion I don't think a false trail is likely. I think it looks bad for those two, or at least one. Though as ever, hardly a smoking gun.

Torn between hurrying or being cautious and asking Nyra. Something being wrong isn't good.

But of course why out yourself? Or did he pull the trigger before I claimed. But then he risked shooting me when I could easily have been eliminated, especially with his vote. And he cannot hide as the Gunsmith knows it was him. Why not vote me and shoot someone else? Unless we really are talking about shooting for the lolz, lol.

Or Ed. How do we understand someone that isn't upto date in the thread, doesn't vote, yet shoots an unCC'd townie? Also who gave a flying primate a loaded gun in the first place? Questions need to be asked.

But the Mentalist can also be used to create confusion. Like at the moment the train is building on Sinister pretty fast because of what Darthe has said. @Turin Turambar I never noticed if you answered, but if we are eliminating SD we got to do you next. You ok with that? We don't get flips. Copping one of you would be more efficient. That way if Darthe is being honest we get two alignments instead of one. This way if he isn't telling the truth we will be two miseliminations and two NKs (all being equal) before we get back to hunting wolves. I think running up Peace and seeing what shakes loose is a better idea. Do not like these votes on Sinister, though that is not to say I'm defending him, but I don't like the strategy behind it

And also on this, regardless of setup possibilities, it is highly unlikely Gud (and of course Ithi) is the Symp. So that is something at least, lol.

CCd means counter claimed. You seemed to be saying someone had also claimed cop, and as Dice was confirmed it almost looked like you were pointing out you had been caught in a lie. Which would have odd, lol, hence why we're asking what you meant. Glad to know your still unCC'd 🙂

Though someone gave Teph the Hot Potato and he had no other role. So in theory the Potato would be passed back and forth between the teams, though of course the mafia would never miss pass. Siren is nasty for town, be too towny you kill the Doc, too scummy you kill the Cop. Sucks to be Dice, lol.

@DPR sorry to bother you again man, lol, but could you confirm if it was possible that for example I could be the Apportioner and the Symp at the same time. Not about what actually has happened but just if it would have been possible in the setup for the Symp to also have had such a role. If you cannot, no worries I'll just keep torturing myself with the uncertainty, lol.

But if the Symp is randomly chosen would they not have a random town role? Otherwise you could tell the Symp from their role, that doesnt seem fair? Or is Symp a role that would preclude any other? Hmm, though it would have sucked if the cop role was given to the simp and they could pass it to the mafia. Maybe they aren't allowed to? Bah. Well, if that is the case I cannot square Darthe's behaviour or reads at all. Maybe someone else will provide some insight and maybe Darthe can explain why he wants to eliminate me, especially if we are both confirmed town and confirmed non-Symps.

@Gudrean@Gudrean since you are also part of the town core that might be a traitor like the rest of us (lol ) what do you think about the differing opinions of Darthe and me? Do you think one of us is the Symp or is it T/T disagreement?

@Ithillian Turambar @Turin Turambar You both think Darthe is town aligned? You don't think his behaviour and reads have been hugely sus? Also I keep forgetting about Ed (slanker) even though he shot me, lol.

VOTE PEACE

So feels like Dice is cleared too. Could be give to mafia but that seems too op, in hands of Town it might still backfire. So definitely scratch that implausible theory, lol. @Turin Turambar I cannot fault your logic, except you are overlooking the Symp. Confirmed town is all fine and good, but for example do you want to sacrifice yourself just on the say so of Darthe? Remember even if we eliminate SD, we get no flip, you are still sus if we believe Darthe and we kind of need to get rid of you both. I don't like it. It still seems to me that Darthe is the Symp, and that puts a lot of sus on Peace and Berf. The more I think about it the less likely I think Turin/SD contains a wolf, especially if we were right about Teph. I cannot make sense of Darthe's behaviour unless it is wolf-aligned. Does anyone have any explanation that could convince me? And so it seems highly unlikely he would actually bus a teammate when we won't even get flips. Far better to hoodwink everyone. This is all speculation, but it feels right in broadstrokes. I think eliminating Turin/SD could be a mistake.