Absolutely 🥰 @SinisterDeath my apologies for allowing my frustration to show, and please don't think that I am telling you how to play, or how you are allowed to play or post. If I can try to rephrase my point in a less abrasive way, I feel making posts purely about possibilities is muddying the waters. I appreciate people showing their thought processes but at the same time posting a lot of maybe this or maybe the opposite, isn't showing any progression, is showing what you actually think about something and isn't something that anyone can get a read on except for the feeling that someone is being deliberately vague and longwinded to have a thread presence without actually giving reads they can be judged on or held accountable for at a later date. I hope that is a clearer way of making my point. Of course, you do you, absolutely and without qualification.

Good morning all 🙂 @DPR could we have confirmation on the Hot Potato role? Given the imagery invoked by a Hot Potato being thrown amongst the players and the use of the definitive article on "the potato", I assumed that the potato in question was the whole role. Is it in fact just a role blocker with another name?

That was a joke. Springfield is where the Simpsons live 🙂 my deadpan delivery must have confused you. I'm going to bed and quite thankful for it. Night guys.

Saying you think Shad might be defending you for town cred would have been more succint. I think we the concept without you talking for five minutes about how you played last game. And then adding in a bunch of weird other possibilities does not seem to really show where your head is at. This is getting really annoying, Sinister. (see how I could say that without spending four paragraphs explaining about something that was annoying in the previous game?)

Springfield, obviously.

That is a lot of ifs. And we can leave it up to individual players to reveal what is helpful to Town if they are Town. Hunting a Bus Driver because they might have info which might change which ifs we are looking at doesn't help. And if the Apportioner was something other than a 1* ability would it not be mentioned in the PM given to the Apportioner? What are you going here except trying to amplify the confusion? Why are voting Turin if you think Darthe's reading for whatever reason cannot be trusted? We need to concentrate on what we can do, rather than seek to paralyse the discussion if all these "ifs" and "maybes". What are your reads is important, not discussing specs constantly and coming to no conclusion except for we don't know. You're being really sus. You don't seem to be helping solve at all while filling the thread with nonsense. If you are town, you need to be more focused. If a spec discussion can help, great. Just throwing everything out as we don't know this does not help and does not get us closer to catching wolves or building cases. Everyone is starting to sketch me out. Why is no one talking about who they find suspicious?

The OP says the Potato is moved every night. So as far as I can see that means Teph didn't start with it. It's existence is probably pro-mafia, but it doesn't necessarily start there. Not sure why anyone would think it would confirm Teph as mafia. The setup doesn't seem to imply that to me.

Why, what does this achieve? Why dont we concentrate on who is acting suspicious, and who appears to have an agenda and who is derailing the thread with nonsense. Bus driver is probably mafia. If town good chance no one would believe them. Could you succinctly say what you are trying to get at?

The potato must be passed on each night. The Apportioner was a 1* ability, using it once to keep a wolf alive for one night on the off chance the target is the Siren seems a bit of waste. I cannot shake the feeling that you are not trying to be helpful with these kind of sprawling posts about possibilities a lot of which seem pretty irrelevant. Like the Bus driver seems likely to be mafia. Not necesarily but not sure asking anyone to claim would help resolve anything unless the people they targeted is significant, but would we trust them anyway? There is something weird about Turin/Sinister. The way the keep talking about the bus driver driving them places. The way they are voting for each other when if we believe Darthe and choose to eliminate we need to do them both, we won't get flips so why are they bickering with each other rather than looking for the other wolves. And there is something muted about their interactions. Meh. I'm getting paranoid. But any chance you can keep things more focused, Sinister, rather than discussing every role at once and seeming to get a lot of your details wrong?

We have to share this with our bestest buddy, no?

Raisins, young man. Why not vote?

Ah sorry missed your first post. Don't think that is really much answer for me but thanks.

I'm not disputing any of that, I'm asking about his behaviour.

The bus driver makes Darthe's info even more sus. I mean, they could both be wolves, Lolololol. Don't like basing eliminations, two days worth, on such flaky info. Not that I don't have my suspicions but it seems a suboptimal way to choose targets. Can anyone give me an explanation that would square any of Darthe's behaviour with being Town aligned? He is happy with the Teph elimination but also wants to eliminate me, despite my claim despite how adamant some people were to eliminate me over Teph. He makes a flyby vote that starts my train while admitting he hasn't read the thread. He gives Berf and Peace both glowing reads about how natural they are. His case against me is "this is a wolf post. This is a wolf". I cannot see how this is a sincere town player. Can any of you explain why nearly everyone is accepting him as the towniest townie that has ever towned? I'm happy to be convinced, I just cannot see the slightest possibility that it is true. So what are you guys seeing that I am not?

Also all this business with the flavour or not, we know in this case it perfectly aligns. There is only one NK in game, the wolves. The only other mechanic that can kill someone is the Siren. Leelou had no way of interacting with the Siren at night. If I'm mistaken on any of these points, I'd love to hear it. Harping on about its only flavour does not make you look good. The scene pointed to this, the mechanics back it up. No guarantee it will in other situations but we can cross those bridges when we come to them.

Dude, rope was being given. Why did you not wsnt to hear Peace's theories?

How would that work? And why do you think it?

Because there is no other NK. I'm alive. Dice was copdoc and died. What is your theory, Peace?

Darthe claims Mentalist and claims he got a reading of Turin/Sinister as different alignment. Hence all the votes on Sinister. I would have thought you had seen that but just in case lol. I have a strong suspicion that Darthe isn't playing straight, given all of his actions and a lot of his reads.

Looks like maybe I was misremembering about Peace. It was more Peace sussing Leelou than Leelou sussing Peace. My apologies. Ateast in unless I missed a post but it seems Leelou just corrected Peace, and did not openly sus him for accusing her of distancing. I was also voting berf before Teph and became the counter train and got shot. Hmm.

Dice would have to pass them on, and I doubt he realised he was messing with the Siren. Sadly he could even have been protecting them, but you think the cop in this game would be a better role. Dice brought me back to life instead of Teph. I think that clears him pretty much.

Leelou was set against Peace and Berf. Unless I misremembering. The straight forward thing to do is remove her. Anyone is sus just WIFOM. Killing her to leave a false trail is possible but that leaves the possibility you are leaving people more suspicious of you alive. Unless the wolves are under no suspicion I don't think a false trail is likely. I think it looks bad for those two, or at least one. Though as ever, hardly a smoking gun.

Torn between hurrying or being cautious and asking Nyra. Something being wrong isn't good.

But of course why out yourself? Or did he pull the trigger before I claimed. But then he risked shooting me when I could easily have been eliminated, especially with his vote. And he cannot hide as the Gunsmith knows it was him. Why not vote me and shoot someone else? Unless we really are talking about shooting for the lolz, lol.

Or Ed. How do we understand someone that isn't upto date in the thread, doesn't vote, yet shoots an unCC'd townie? Also who gave a flying primate a loaded gun in the first place? Questions need to be asked.