Though can we undo it if fuse the bond means something weird like sucking her into the codex? I mean I'm sure it won't but you guys have made me paranoid now about not using her in the ritual. Well, if the AI has anything to do with it she'll be a real girl in no time. Probably playing battleships, lol.

Thanks? lol.

It was not an attempt to bait - far from it. I was spitting-blood livid with your behaviour in combination with some other things like Dice's Gotcha moment. I said your reads were garbage as one, they were not backed up any reasons or showed any thought processes and appear, at least in my limited perception, to be entirely motivated to benefit the wolf team. Saying that I called you personally garbage is nonsensical and not an accusation I appreciate. I'm not picking a fight with you. I want to clarify your position so that I, as a town player, can see where you are coming from. At the moment it looks to me like you have been subbed into a symp role with your team having lost a member and having others sussed so you have decided to go big or go home. Your attack on me has no basis, you have given town cred to Peace and Ed and you have attacked the all-but-confirmed-town players for playing badly. Also you seem slightly confused as to whether I'm an obstinate, inexperienced loser who is losing the game for town, or a cunning wolf that has flown under everyone's radar but yours. You want to clear that up? And also, you have no idea who I am or what affronts me, and thankfully you don't seem to know where my buttons are so if you would kindly stop fumbling about my person, I'd appreciate it. Try to have a little decorum.

Should a wolf without making a case, sorry.

One step at a time. I am sussing Darthe on his behaviour, and that doesn't change remarkably with anything about Peace. But his defending of Peace is part of what is sketching me out, but it does make me feel all wonderful about Darthe even if Peace is town. Gun to my head, Darthe is the symp. I simply cannot see anyway his behaviour is pro-town. He is chastising everyone for not building a town core, yet the people that are in the de facto town core he attacks for having their head in the wrong place (Ithi), for being a liability if they don't agree with him (Gud) and being a wolf with a case (me). This is sketching me out. I accepted there seems no chance at all that Darthe is not the Mentalist. However if he is the Symp that does not mean he telling the truth about his investigations. Being a town!mentalist does not fit with his behaviour, not as I can understand it. So when he says that you and Sinister are not the same alignment that is entirely on his say so. I'm not voting him as as far as I can see, no one else is being even slightly sus of him, which I do not understand. Even Ithi is just assuming he has some big brain reason for acting the way he is acting and the fact she doesn't know what it is feels horribly like her acceptance of DPR's behaviour in the Action Hero game. But Ithi appears to be an unCC'd townie so.... yeah, I don't know. Voting for DPR the whole game did not get me very far, and in that game it really felt like there was nothing I could do to affect the outcome. I'm hoping this isn't going the same way. I'm voting Peace as he as had some incredibly wolfy moments, seems involved in a few other suspicions, and seems a fruitful avenue of research. Voting Darthe on my own does nothing but derail Peace's train. I'd love to get a bit more consensus but at least a few people are sketched out by Peace so that seems a good start as it is not reliant on one player's uncorroborated testimony, but reads from mulitple pro-town players. Berf is also suspicious but has been quiet over the weekend. Ed is also remarkably suspicious. Teph seems all but confirmed mafia. So my feelings are the mafia and the symp are among Teph/Darthe/Berf/Peace/Ed but Sinister's behaviour has not all been comforting, your reasoning at times seems really really sketchy, Shad seems to be clever enough to seem reasonable even when he is making the most outrageous lies up. So I am not claiming to have solved the game but these are the reads I have to work with.

Consider also how active Peace was and how confrontational. Now Darthe is arguing the case he has slanked off (could be weekend etc) but does it not stand out to you that Peace was all buddy buddy with Ithi, then got aggressive and is now chill with Darthe defending him and pointing out how difficult his posts would be to fake as a wolf. I don't see it myself, but I do see collusion. We need to be hunting wolves, not discussing spec or debating if we should follow Darthe blindly. There is nothing mod confirmed that says we should, and we will lose if he is wrong. That is way I see it at least.

I don't see any possibility from Darthe's play that he is not mafia or the symp. No one has offered any reasoning for how he has played except from Darthe is gonna Darthe and that I am so bad I should eliminated every game for the good of everyone. Neither of these convinces me in the slightest. We are voting Peace (some of us) to see what shakes out rather than voting for you or Sinister as that comes down to do we trust Darthe or not, nothing about our reads. And what shook out when we voted Peace? Super Darthe to the rescue! It seems ignoring Peace and following Darthe purely on the strength of Darthe saying this is a good idea seems sub-optimal play.

Yes I am accepting that he is the Mentalist, and will do until there is a CC, which seems unlikely at this point. I did at the time have a little moment where I thought there was a way where it could be a fake claim but I was wrong about the mechanics there (for full disclosure, so no one can claim I'm contradicting myself). I don't agree with any of Darthe's reads. I think his behaviour has been resolutely anti-town. I cannot see anyway he is working for town's benefit and his argument to convince me is that I am so bad at mafia I should be policy lynched at the beginning of every game. Do you see how that is not a particularly convincing argument for me? So I don't care about Darthe's claim of alignment at all. I think we should be hunting wolves. And Darthe is claiming I'm a wolf (which I can 100% confirm I'm not), Ed is sound, Peace is sound - it seems like Darthe is blocking all leads into the wolves and the symp without giving any reasons that he can just tell. This does not give me any confidence in anything else he is saying, and until he can actually justify anything he is saying I think he is best ignored.

The sad fact is that many people here have not been discussing the show or the books but have been simply on a crusade against certain politics. No matter what people think regarding the quality of the show I cannot understand people that don't appreciate the extra content regarding the story, and I don't mean the show itself, but all the discussions, the fodder for content creators, the new members on sites like DM... even if you were only united in your hatred of the show. I think the difference between people such as Samt (sorry to pick on you) who may disagree with me on nearly everything but clearly is invested in the books and this community, and these anti-woke crusaders who gatekeep the books while often showing really poor understanding of the books is very clear.

*is suspicious, lol.

I'm not doubting the claim. My point is that everything single thing Darthe has done is anti-town that I can see. Clearing Ed. Attacking me without any reasons. Voting on Teph's counter train. Bullying people in thread for not agreeing with him. Not making a case about anything. So I am deeply, deeply suspicious of his behaviour. In this context, it makes no sense just to accept his claim about anyone's alignment. I mean we are at 8-2 if we are lucky at the moment, 7-3 if you count the Symp. If Darthe is not telling the truth we'll be at 4-2 with the Symp still along (assuming one mafia NK per night and no other mishaps). And he wants to eliminate me as well without question, that is a straight mafia victory and it relies on no reads, no case, no mod confirmation, just a "trust me bro" where if we do and we shouldn't we have lost the game. Am I really the only person that isn't suspicious about this?

Totally about progression. But I would argue there is a difference in saying 1) I feel good about player x for this reason and bad about them for that reason, so I'm feeling null. This shows what you are thinking and is something that people can read sincerity into, and you can be held accountable for if you contradict yourself later. And 2) player X might be defending me because they think I'm town, or for town cred when I flip (even though there are no flips) or because they want to use this in a different argument or I might be completely wrong. This doesn't show what you think about any possibilities, it isn't something that can be read for intention, and there is nothing there that you can be held accountable for at a later date as it is only talking about possibilities, not what reads/feelings are. With Sinister it is awkward as I have no example of how Town!Sinister plays, and too often this obfuscating style of posting seems far too reminiscent of Wolf!Sinister. And yes, I'm bitter and jealous that he keeps talking about what fun it was to play as wolf and confuse everyone when they already were completely confused, lol. When is it going to be my turn, huh?

Here Darthe again is using the argument, "you don't know how to play, do what I say or you are a liability". While the information about his claim certainly holds up, the argument that Gud or anyone therefore must believe his claim about Turin/Sinister as true is simply not true at all. Not even taking into account the bus driver. Hilarious "complex reasons", I presume too complex to go into with such poor players as us? We'll just take your word for it then. Darthe has just come into thread and with very little reasoning attacked most people who don't agree with him. Ithi he loves but she is completely wrong. He needs Gud not to be a liability. (Note these are the two as good as confirmed Townies so long as no one CCs, which probably should have happened by now if it was going to.) I'm an obvious wolf for obvious yet unstated reasons (and still no explanation for the flyby vote). Ed is solid town because he shot me without voting or being current in the thread. Peace is trying solve when he is arguing about flavour of the scenes when the mechanics make it 100% clear what went down, and he is obviously town as he has multiple posts that Darthe claims would be difficult to make as a wolf even though other experienced players don't see this. I still don't get the "Darthe gonna Darthe" as some free pass to do things without a case, without reasons. Darthe is trying to turn around the entire narrative and his sole argument is that it is so obvious that we all should see it, no further explanation necessary. I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with an explanation of how this could be town behaviour, and that invitation is also open to Darthe himself. Or is it all just "complex reasons" that no one else will understand?

Your read on me (that has no reasoning whatsoever) is so good that you are clearing someone that is confident enough to shoot someone, but not vote and admits is not current in the thread. This is what I am talking about garbage reads, they don't have anything to the actual game. Ed has made no case against me, explained to reads, given no reasoning. But you are clearing him because you want me dead for reasons that you aren't willing to share. Where do you both get this confidence? The only place I can see is if you are on the mafia/symp side of things. Town has to work things out from reasoning and reads, something completely lacking from both of you.

Words have meaning, Darthe. I said it was your reads that were garbage, and it was a disappointment to read your post. It is kind of hilarious that after getting burned and deaded for taking the position of "Git gud, noob" and offering to teach me how to play last game when I sussed you, you are now taking the injured position of "Heavy is being mean to me". Isn't a good look, especially not when you are also calling me a serial loser and claiming that I'm so bad that I should be policy lynched every game. I see you have built on your garbage raisin-free case of "these are wolf posts, this is a wolf" by calling my posts "slop" that any townie worth their salt can tell is from a wolf. Still completely free of any reasons as to how my reasoning or behaviour has anything to do with alignment at all except for "trust me, bro". I repeat, this is total garbage.

Absolutely 🥰 @SinisterDeath my apologies for allowing my frustration to show, and please don't think that I am telling you how to play, or how you are allowed to play or post. If I can try to rephrase my point in a less abrasive way, I feel making posts purely about possibilities is muddying the waters. I appreciate people showing their thought processes but at the same time posting a lot of maybe this or maybe the opposite, isn't showing any progression, is showing what you actually think about something and isn't something that anyone can get a read on except for the feeling that someone is being deliberately vague and longwinded to have a thread presence without actually giving reads they can be judged on or held accountable for at a later date. I hope that is a clearer way of making my point. Of course, you do you, absolutely and without qualification.

Good morning all 🙂 @DPR could we have confirmation on the Hot Potato role? Given the imagery invoked by a Hot Potato being thrown amongst the players and the use of the definitive article on "the potato", I assumed that the potato in question was the whole role. Is it in fact just a role blocker with another name?

That was a joke. Springfield is where the Simpsons live 🙂 my deadpan delivery must have confused you. I'm going to bed and quite thankful for it. Night guys.

Saying you think Shad might be defending you for town cred would have been more succint. I think we the concept without you talking for five minutes about how you played last game. And then adding in a bunch of weird other possibilities does not seem to really show where your head is at. This is getting really annoying, Sinister. (see how I could say that without spending four paragraphs explaining about something that was annoying in the previous game?)

Springfield, obviously.

That is a lot of ifs. And we can leave it up to individual players to reveal what is helpful to Town if they are Town. Hunting a Bus Driver because they might have info which might change which ifs we are looking at doesn't help. And if the Apportioner was something other than a 1* ability would it not be mentioned in the PM given to the Apportioner? What are you going here except trying to amplify the confusion? Why are voting Turin if you think Darthe's reading for whatever reason cannot be trusted? We need to concentrate on what we can do, rather than seek to paralyse the discussion if all these "ifs" and "maybes". What are your reads is important, not discussing specs constantly and coming to no conclusion except for we don't know. You're being really sus. You don't seem to be helping solve at all while filling the thread with nonsense. If you are town, you need to be more focused. If a spec discussion can help, great. Just throwing everything out as we don't know this does not help and does not get us closer to catching wolves or building cases. Everyone is starting to sketch me out. Why is no one talking about who they find suspicious?

The OP says the Potato is moved every night. So as far as I can see that means Teph didn't start with it. It's existence is probably pro-mafia, but it doesn't necessarily start there. Not sure why anyone would think it would confirm Teph as mafia. The setup doesn't seem to imply that to me.

Why, what does this achieve? Why dont we concentrate on who is acting suspicious, and who appears to have an agenda and who is derailing the thread with nonsense. Bus driver is probably mafia. If town good chance no one would believe them. Could you succinctly say what you are trying to get at?

The potato must be passed on each night. The Apportioner was a 1* ability, using it once to keep a wolf alive for one night on the off chance the target is the Siren seems a bit of waste. I cannot shake the feeling that you are not trying to be helpful with these kind of sprawling posts about possibilities a lot of which seem pretty irrelevant. Like the Bus driver seems likely to be mafia. Not necesarily but not sure asking anyone to claim would help resolve anything unless the people they targeted is significant, but would we trust them anyway? There is something weird about Turin/Sinister. The way the keep talking about the bus driver driving them places. The way they are voting for each other when if we believe Darthe and choose to eliminate we need to do them both, we won't get flips so why are they bickering with each other rather than looking for the other wolves. And there is something muted about their interactions. Meh. I'm getting paranoid. But any chance you can keep things more focused, Sinister, rather than discussing every role at once and seeming to get a lot of your details wrong?

We have to share this with our bestest buddy, no?