Agree with all of that, i remember thinking the way in which she 'broke' semirhage was silly as well Dont get me wrong, other characters such as nynaeve and egwene irritate me at times but they have awesome scenes to balance it I will take a look for the taim thread, thanks

Hey guys I am on a reread, it is probably my twentieth read through but my first in a few years. I have finished book six and on book seven, cadsuane has just appeared for the first time and got a couple of queries. After reading book 6 literally everything feels like taim is demanded, I know he isn't but does anyone else think that was the original plan and it may have been changed because fans guessed? Also, just a few chapters of cadsuane is enough to irritate me, does anyone like this character? She irritated me every time I read the series Cheers

I think its entertaining enough but just light entertainment. I feel the same about the boys to be honest. Its been a long time since i have got heavily into a non WOT or GOT tv show (probably the early seasons of the handmaids tale). As for the nielsen stats, it doesnt seem to have done badly?

I dread to think how many times i read the series. I was obsessed when young - i read the first book in 1992 and like many people i would re-read every previous book when a new book came out. It is a different experience as a middle aged man to be honest and yes i think its a common criticism of RJ, his writing of female characters. Despite that, they do have their moments to shine, i loved the golden crane scene for example, and although i spent much of the series finding Egwene a bit annoying .. her final scenes definitely hit me.

That is how i remember it as well, heck she restricts his food, puts a knife to his throat, and he tried to lock his door from what i remember? But it was all written in a sort of 'humorous' way and he ended up 'liking' his abuser at the end of it. Maybe i am remembering it poorly, it has been a while.

I got a fantasy loving friend to watch the show and he went on to try the books. He commented on how the series felt 'very 90's' as well. Personally i have read the series lots of times, but not for a couple of years and my memory is not as good as it was (too much radiotherapy to the head!). I do remember there was a general obsession with breasts and spanking and a very odd storyline with Tylin that did not work for me at all. But i still loved the overall story I have just started a reread, and i am on the hunt for the horn (the great hunt), it will be interesting to see if these things bother me this time around.

I badgered friends to try the show and two decided to read the books. One just decided reading fantasy wasnt his thing The other is now on book 5 and enjoying it, but when reading Eotw commented it was 'very 90's' and felt like Lotr.

I have been team Lanfear in the show for a while, but i like that ishys argument 'sort of ' makes sense and makes it all bit more grey. As for the main characters not being treated right, i think we can all agree the Mat changes were forced on them? but i do hope we get quality mat, perrin and rand development in S3.

No i am not angry, i have enjoyed S2 a lot. I think one or two things were done better than the books and there were a few things i disliked The forsaken are much better fleshed out than in the books so far but i didn't like the end scene with Egwene and i didn't like the lan/alanna/alannas warders/moraine subplot - although i know it was to keep pike on screen. As for magic systems, yes they are simplifying things, they have to due to time constraints. Has to be mentioned that the first of the book completely broke its own magic rules as well, but perhaps that is why i don't get as angry about changes. I love the book series, i have read it a dozen times but don't consider it to be perfect. For me books 2-6 and 11-14 are brill, books 7-10 are a bit of a slog (especially 10) and book 1 is good but with some genuine issues.

I watched it, i was surprised he was so negative but that's ok i guess. I watch a lot of reactor videos - the only ones i don't watch are knights watch and disparu- because they bring culture war nonsense and politics into it and i have no interest in politics or culture war stuff. I actually prefer non reader reactions like the everyday negroes because i think some readers are so busy analysing the episode for changes etc that they forget to sit back and enjoy. I think maybe sanderson is influenced by being so close to the books having written 3 of them. As for Sandersons books, not getting into the discussion of whether he is YA or not- (i do think Eotw is YA btw) . Personally i like his books and i LOVED the way of kings, that is my favourite of the stormlight archive but i am completely invested in the series.

I just finished Eotw One of the reader reactors complained bitterly about changes from source, and how it was illogical that rand could kill Turaks guards without training, yet in Eotw rand defeats aginor, ishamael, travels and kills a horde of trollocs and fades with no training. But i am past that book now and excited to read the great hunt 🙂

I started a re-read last week and i think Eotw has a different feel to the rest of the series. It feels like YA to me. Now that i know the other books are great i will power through but the first time i read the series i was a young adult and didnt mind (1992)

**not sure if book spoilers need tagging but spoilers to be safe** Yes i completely agree the reason they gave egwene the scene against ishy was to demonstrate that her time as a damane has bought on her abilities at an accelerated rate. I dont always agree with the decisions by the show runner but dont buy the idea he hates the source etc. Do you think we will miss all the sword training now? or perhaps get the later sword fight with Be'lal?

Another long term reader here who registered just to discuss the show with other readers - i may have had a membership years ago, i used to spend a lot of time on wotmania and theoryland back in the day. Overall i think i enjoyed season 2 more than most people here- yes they have greatly simplified the magic system and plot points. But i had expected that. I would like to see more rand coming into his own in S3 however as we have had lots of limelight on egwene and nynaeve. The lan plot did annoy me during the season - especially as the show is so short of time. But i liked the way they demonstrated a difference between unbonded and bonded Lan. I would have liked to have seen rand do more in the falme battle as well. On the other hand i have absolutely LOVED the show version of Lanfear, i love this series of books but sometimes the bad guys did not feel fully fleshed out. Show lanfear has come across clearly as someone who wants both rand and power to me. She has successfully portrayed jealousy, arrogance, obsession and an underlying instability. She has been a highpoint of the entire show for me.

I took a look at the engagement scores and it seems E8 had higher engagement than all the previous episodes of S2? It was also trending on twitter for the first time this season. For all its flaws i really want 8 seasons but i do worry about it being cancelled. I enjoyed another amazon show (the peripheral) which was cancelled out of nowhere despite being officially previously renewed.