Hopefully at least you don't have the physiotherapy afterwards. After breaking my hand that was agony - every half hour for weeks, I slanked off and my fingers are not straight anymore. Hope it works out better for you and you listen better to your doctors than I did 😄

Key and Ithi! Wolf dream team! No one my shapely behind, lol.

If you believe this, then why would he act all scummy, why not delight in the cop claim? Again you are arguing something diametrically opposite to what happened. Not even taking into account he was definitively not acting scummy as he was the fluffing doctor. Why are you insisting you are right on this point? I don't think it is aiding your survival chances, but whatever.

Tigraine forgot you were playing the game but you would shoot me? Ih8u more.

Just how? I mean....

lol Ih8u

And as a negative point on Turin/Marsh - before he discontinued his Verb attack (though obviously there are other things at play there) I pointed out how shaky any attack on someone would be that rested on my wolf equity if just a few moments before the person making said attack had declined to vote me out of the game. No idea if this had an effect, but I do think it was weird how I was not a worthy target of elimination, but making a case against Verb based on Heavy being a scummy teammate, was worthwhile. That is exactly the kind of wolfy behaviour I was arguing against in my Oscar winning plea. Which I have to say if you are looking for archetypal town behaviour, surely that kind of advice ranks higher than DPr's arrogance and memery?

@TigraineI've been super-sensitive to any DPR content, so I doubt that I misread anything that you were saying regarding him. However, I also don't have any note of it, and I'm not searching back for it, and I'm questioning its validity, so I will happily concede the point now as irrelevant if not disproven. And as you are still obviously sore about the Rand thing, please let me try to explain again. I did not say you sussed him because he saved Dice. I said you sussed him despite him saving Dice. Even if we accept Rand was as scummy as could possibly be imagined with his one-liners and "I don't believe you" posts, if we assume he was mafia, we would have to accept that a mafia player was interacting with a cop claimee without stringing him up. Especially your claim that he should have picked up on the hints earlier, makes zero sense in terms of AI. If he was a wolf and had picked up them he would have "gone in a tunnel" or run out of charge or whatever while there was plausible deniability. In no world would a mafia player stay online saying, "what are you saying Dice, time is running short" if they understood that Dice was hinting at a PR in town. It just doesn't not matter how scummy Rand was, the fact that Dice did not get eliminated says enough. Rand being scummy while failing to eliminate Dice does not make any sense to me at all, and the fact that you were so eager to argue the opposite really stood out for me. Maybe this is my failing, but that is how it is. Something that I thought should be obvious, you took a diametrically opposite view on. And with hindsight, my position has only become stronger. Can you understand what I am saying? Just trying to set everything right before I need to shake off this mortal coil, lol, but I feel you are still annoyed at me, and I really would like to make my position clear while I still can.

I've been "swayed" by the fact option two is "ha-ha", how could it possibly be bad?

That I'm the most voted for? I'm so hurt, you... oh, you mean the timer. As you were then.

@Ithillian Turambar actually I remembered what you asked that I never answered, lol. When I was talking about DPR and the bigger picture you seemed to think I was talking about if DPR was mafia or not. I meant how he was interacting with his teammates or how they were working together for shared goals by "bigger picture". I'm sure you don't care or even remember, but never let it be said I leave these things unaddressed.

No I'm voting Key because of my remarkable-under-the-shower moment where I solved the game. You can thank me later. And yes, I'm voting her instead of you as I felt she had more equity, not because she was more wolfy to me. Ithi and Key, up a tree, W O L F I N G... something like that anyway. No one seems to agree with though which is a minor problem in getting you two eliminated.

An updated list (not that much changed for you skimmers, lol): Tentative Town: Nynaeve - seems to be making the most sense, when she can stop with the sarcky one liners. Don't feel a great urgency about solving or hunting, more observing, prodding and commenting. Verbal - Seems to be making sense, agree mostly with him about DPR, in his arguments with players like Turin he seems to be have at worst a reasonable position. Nothing has pinged me about his play. Not liking how he has slanked off as things are heating up. Null: Turin/Marsh - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. Not convinced by the 3p argument, but it is something to keep in mind I suppose though not sure how that will help. Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon: Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train. Really don't like how much of her limited time she devoted to my read of DPR - seems such a waste given the circumstances and I don't get what the point of it was. Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there. Given the whole situation with DPR this makes me doubt my thoughts on Tigs. Not sure if her take on Rand is enough to have her high in my reads any more. Would shoot with silver bullets: Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted. And still is. Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light. Zandlo - Lenlo went for low hanging fruit and not much else qualify if for poor reasons or town reasons. Zander has been pretty null, but enough of his comments have rubbed me the wrong way - like he is deliberately misunderstanding or oversimplifying to state wolf-friendly propaganda. Not active enough to have a real read, though I did not like that Lenlo's vote on me could have been an opening for a train on someone with wolf equity at DL if everything went wrong for our furry friends. Not appreciated his attacks on me since I wrote the list. Don't seem to have much substance, very eager to get a vote on as soon as possible. Very wolfy vibes. As above but repeatedly. Reload and shoot again. Use a wooden stake and bedeck in garlic. DPR - Anti-town, deflections, lies, kill it, kill it with fire. Have gone in depth about my suspicions elsewhere. If I'm wrong, I dunno, this presumably is not a game I'm any good at then.

I'll look for my list in a bit, RL intervenes for now.

How is it lazy? I think their reasoning seems sound and it seems like they are trying to help town and haven't done things that make me strongly question them. I cannot give more reasoning cause I don't have more reasoning. Calling it lazy is well, lazy, lol, probably more just misrepping it into a "Heavy should be eliminated" soundbite. Like I've liked Key's play mostly but her in depth discussion of my read on you sketches me out so I cannot say she is a top town read. I seriously do not get the criticism.

The way this is worded I don't feel like taking our time is the right approach, but I'm willing to be guided as I got us on this trial, I don't want to mess it up as well.

Maybe 2 or 3? Have to say this looks a bit intimidating. Really wish you guys hadn't railroaded me into agreeing to choose Sway, lol.

Lol, I feel so hard done by. Pretty much no one has said anything that I like, so I don't see how you think that is the criteria for me sussing someone. I didn't say no one voted for me on D1, leastways that isn't what I meant, I meant you didn't vote me off. And I don't understand the accusation that I honestly gave my opinion about how Ithi acted at the EoD with Ed, and that is sus as I should have lied and said I found it sus because I sussed her for other things? Being honest regardless of my current read is seen as anti-town? But being deliberately obnoxious to other players is a clever pro-town move? My read was Ithi did nothing sus with Ed that I could see. I have major suspicions about other parts of her play. What is wolfy about that, or being honest about it so that maybe just maybe my thoughts will help someone else, one way or another? Top town reads I struggle a bit with. Nyn, as much as I don't want to commend snarky jokes as pro-town but she does not give off wolfy vibes. Verb though slanking recently has made sense in general and has not pinged me this game, but there is always the doubt that the slanking part has minimized the amount of interactions to suspect, especially later in the game as we have flips and a shrinking playerbase. Everyone else I have significant if not damning suspicions of.

I've posted up reads and let people know what is going on in my head. I argued against eliminating Marsh even though he was voting for me. I've tried to solve. I've pointed out when people said things that did not make sense or were factually incorrect. I haven't manufactured drama for wolves to hide in. I've tried to give my opinion honestly without thought as to how it would effect my survival. But I ask again, what have I done that was not in Town's interest?

So anyone else going to case me and prove I haven't done a single thing against the interests of Town? I was just as much of a lunatic in the past games and will be as much in any future games and no one has explained how that is meant to be AI.

What are talking about? Gallows humour is reserved for those mounting the gallows and it is still meant to funny. I see you aren't very confident in your own case and I'm sure that street cred will do me good when I'm confirmed town and dead. So definitely something to look forward to.

Ouch. Really broken? That sucks. I broke a metacarpal and that was awful. Can't imagine breaking your foot would be much better.

How come it is so easy to sway people's opinions here? One it is, hurrah!

Also i meant to point out she came straight for me out of the blocks then quickly switched to Marsh and the pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Just rather sus. Anyway, fatigued from solving the game, I'm going to bed.

UNVOTE VOTE KEY Willing to change to Ithi