So you mean it is completely NAI as it could mean anything? This whole thing seems like a huge distraction as it is not based on anything and is just muddying the waters. Something is suspicious but we don't know who is being suspicious, why, or who else is involved. Sounds like we could easily drop it.

So someone saying they read me as Town pings you. heartbroken.gif Did Sinister's ping you or was it the wording of Leelou's post rather than the content?

Were you meaning this, Sinister? If this was a slip, the wolves are brighter than I am, lol.

As far as I know this is the only "set-up" that Leelou said regarding me. Can @peacesells, @Gudrean or @SinisterDeath explain how there was any kind of set up when I was talking about a discussion largely between Ithi and Sinister that other players have commented on? Sinister even said the same thing, and yet this is a set up between me and Leelou? Can you provide any reasoning behind this? Any quote I missed? *insert joke about I'm sure it sounded better in the wolf chat here*

That said, I believe Darthe claimed there was a Wolf between you, Leelou and who else? Teph? Now say Darthe was correct about Heavy. This could be a Wolf!Peace employing text book Distancing between Leelou, and Heavy? Right? Or this could be Town!Peace. I equally found it strange that Leelou posted this. Which is what you referenced without quoting. But I'm sure you'll bring up this, which I posted about 3 minutes after Leelou. So, I'm sure Town!Peace or Wolf!Peace will surely latch onto that as proof I must be a wolf because surely I must be a wolf, and those two must be wolves with me, because that interaction was weird. Meanwhile, you get to skate away free and clear with your text book distancing from Leelou and Heavy. Not sure I am understanding this. Are you saying you found Leelou saying what you said three minutes later weird? Why did you say it then? Highlighting in red my addition. I really don't understand. Going for a walk, see you guys later. Maybe things will make more sense later. PS I do agree on the gifs, lol, but as it actually NAI let's drop it, but by Thor's Sweaty Jockstrap....

Did not happen, I was talking about the then ongoing discussion about gifs/memes being spam or not in the context of Ithi/Sinister on which I was pontificating my opinion (Shad I believe had also commented on this in his reads). I cannot "read" gifs, and in my opinion, they don't constitute real gameplay, though they are entertaining and certainly don't mean they shouldn't be used, just that they are no substitute for words in way, shape or form. Apparently opinions vary.

That is like saying a mask with a big smile on it conveys happiness better than someone smiling. How can you see if it is a fake smile? Can you see the sadness around the mouth, the pain in the eyes? No, on the mask the smile is bigger so it conveys the emotion better /s This is crazy dude. I literally cannot believe you are serious about this.

Because I am encouraging people to play? Instead of raging at them to vote? Don't get this at all and I don't think it is a good look. Throwing sus about for the sake of it doesn't help anyone. Not on Town anyway.

Not even close to being correct. Gifs show what the poster wants to, or tries to, show, not the tone of their language and their subconscious cues. Gifs do not have subtext. Gifs do not have personality. Better than the written word? My flabber is well and truly ghasted. They are literally communication by cookie cutter. Man, I am so annoyed right now, lol. Gifs? FLUFFING GIFS ARE BETTER THAN WORDS?!?! At communicating emotion? Ah, I need to go lie down in a dark room for a bit, lmfao. I've never complained about DPR's play before? You must have missed that game then? I mean, we are all entitled to our opinions, but dude, seriously? I need to go read my favourite book, the Wheel of GIFS by Robert Fluffface to calm down.

I'm 100% sure it is. But that doesn't answer what you are prioritizing spending time on. You are giving off very sus vibes. If you are town, it would be great when you have a moment if you could work on that.

I'm just encouraging you to share your thoughts. It is not just about letting us see your thought process but about adding to the material that everyone can build on. Plus it makes any inconsistencies more readily apparent. Like, you know, someone saying they aren't sharing their thoughts and saying they are. Just as a wild example 😛

Bah, *my instincts* I meant to say. Honestly if I could use someone else's I would.

Wait, what? You're sheeping other people so that clears Ithi? I don't follow this argument at all. I think it has been established that a good player - and Ithi in particular - can hoodwink the majority of the game. Giving her a free pass as she has convinced other people seems incredibly trusting. Now to be clear, I'm leaning town on Ithi but this seems spectacularly lazy and bad reasoning not to suspect someone. Maybe that is just me *shrugs* never claimed to be any good at this but instincts are all I have to go on. *adds Ithi and Shad back to the keep at arm's length list"

If you have scum leans, why are voting for a policy instead? Why are you not discussing your reads? Why are you not justifying your vote? Why are you instead of any of these things trying to score points against Ithi about who has the worst case, especially when you say you have a scum lean on who she is voting for? The only reasons you have given for your suspicions that I can see is activity, though you also have other reads according to you that you haven't shared. How is your play helping town aside from pointing out inactivity is bad? You may well be struggling for time, but what is your justification for what you are spending your time on?

Certainly not, that should say, sorry.

Your voting for her because of her behaviour last game. Ithi is pointing out parallels and themes that Sinister has used in both games. I think there is a meaningful distinction there, and I don't really understand you taking one-line potshots instead of hunting wolves. Certainly you are defending yourself, or defending your case, or giving your reads. Ithi has given a ton of reasoning on Sinister and fairly broad reads on the whole game. You seem to be voting Tigs on policy or because she was a wolf last game, neither of which seem very convincing to me. Unless you have more to go on?

I don't think pushing for vites just for the sake of votes is a good thing, but pushing people to play definitely is. We need to know what is on people's minds even details about null reads, about uncertainties. That info allows people to form reads and respond to them which allows reads on the responses and so on. Keeping thoughts to yourself, discussing non-game issues, memeing, make everything more difficult for town. For example, Gudrean, you were defending an attack on Teph. Is this because you think he is town? For what reasoning? Do you think the criticism was wolf motivated? Or was it a dry, I'm taking this point out of context so I'm not leaning town or mafia on anyone. Everyone can of course play however they want, but sharing thoughts and interacting with others are pro-town moves, IMHO at least. At the moment Gudrean you seem a bit removed from the thread, unwilling to share your thoughts and that is suspicious. Plus to reach a hammer we don't want to leave it too late to start trains as that would make it too easy for the wolves to dictate which elimination options there are, as I see it. So no one must vote, hut the later you leave it the less meaningful choice you will have, and the less chance your vote will pressure someone into doing something if there are already established trains you don't like.

Just to give my thoughts on the gif "spam". I think they are spam and deflection. I totally get that is not necessarily how they are meant, but even if someone is posting the "I don't believe you" meme to convey exactly that, it is impossible to read tone, to judge sincerity, to get a feel of the poster. It's like wearing a mask and playing a message recorded by someone else. It adds the bare minimum to the conversation, so looks like coasting to me. In this instance, Ithi said it was because it was night, though in this case it was a rather special night. Also many have pointed out it was game related, but I don't think it was contributing in the real sense of the word. Not at least if that is your only contribution, which obviously for Ithi it wasn't, but then it becomes a judgement call of how much is too much?

Maybe just keep going? Though I'm not averse to more lore.

It is strange reasoning. Like I get asking for reads, I asked Shad for a read of you as I was feeling iffy about you both at that point and getting more info about your thoughts on each other can help resolve that. But Gud says nothing has happened and asks you who should she be potentially suspicious of. That seems all kinds of backwards. Why would you thinking I'm sus, for example, help if nothing has happened? Seems strange. I blame DPR for asking for lists, lol, blasted pirates.

I like Leelou's vote (obviously) refreshingly decisive, though more raisining would be good other than the undoubtedly true awkwardness. Raisins, people, raisins. We live and die by raisins. I'm gonna get more coffee and consider putting pants on.

So I'm going to have to get used to disappointment? Such an obvious wolf, lol. Yeah, the mechanics discussions are awkward. You don't want to give them any ideas but also if you leave out an obvious play that could look forced and awkward to other people. So.... Yeah, just don't do mechanics, kids.

Gud is slanking like a slanky slanker. Not the only one, but it would be good to have input other than questions about the setup/mechanics. I want to know your feelsies, even your tentative initial thoughts would be good.

Shad has improved a lot in my eyes. Saying sensible stuff. Not sure if that is actually AI but definitely feel a lot better now and his posts taste of Town when licked. No more implying stuff but what feels like totally sincere discussion.