Danger in Demons Cove GAME OVER Villains win

[Clovdyx]

Wildfire - who do you want to lynch today?

[Clovdyx]

 

I voted with like a minute left. Couldnt equal the trains up. Would have preferred to vote ironeyes.

 

also  as i said i hated it cause i dont believe in watching peoples online status but that DID make pral look even worse and he wasnt looking good to start

 

 

You were around before that though.  You're right you couldn't have equaled it up, but if you had voted Iron, it would have been 6-5.  One person switching from Pral would have  been enough.

 

Here's how I see it. There seems to have been a shift between a train on Hallia building which I pushed... then it sort of went down when I changed my mind... then I suspected Pral and voted him, what? a couple of hours to deadline? and it got as many as seven votes. Through this I think that Ironeyes's train stayed pretty static? didn't it? that in itself is pretty interesting.

 

I don't remember what time Alanna's vote came, but I know Sooh and I were there for a bit.  I think Tress voted in the morning, so at least seven or eight hours?

[Sooh]

Here's how I see it. There seems to have been a shift between a train on Hallia building which I pushed... then it sort of went down when I changed my mind... then I suspected Pral and voted him, what? a couple of hours to deadline? and it got as many as seven votes. Through this I think that Ironeyes's train stayed pretty static? didn't it? that in itself is pretty interesting.

Static wagon, do you think that suggests town is on it or scum?

 

I suppose if Ironeyes is town scums could have just stayed there instead of vote jumping. If Ironeyes is scum I would look for people on his train who were actively looking elsewhere and pushing other lynches I guess?

[Sooh]

 

 

I voted with like a minute left. Couldnt equal the trains up. Would have preferred to vote ironeyes.

 

also  as i said i hated it cause i dont believe in watching peoples online status but that DID make pral look even worse and he wasnt looking good to start

 

 

You were around before that though.  You're right you couldn't have equaled it up, but if you had voted Iron, it would have been 6-5.  One person switching from Pral would have  been enough.

 

Here's how I see it. There seems to have been a shift between a train on Hallia building which I pushed... then it sort of went down when I changed my mind... then I suspected Pral and voted him, what? a couple of hours to deadline? and it got as many as seven votes. Through this I think that Ironeyes's train stayed pretty static? didn't it? that in itself is pretty interesting.

 

I don't remember what time Alanna's vote came, but I know Sooh and I were there for a bit.  I think Tress voted in the morning, so at least seven or eight hours?

 

Alanna realized Talmanes wasn't happening and voted there some time before the lynch. She was IC though, so it feels less important to know that.

[Nynaeve]

DAY 1 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (3): Clov, Sooh, Tress

 

Niniel (1): Hallia

 

Hallia (3): Nyn, WiFi, Pral

 

Talmanes (1): Alanna

 

Not voting (5): Dice, Ironeyes, Katiora, Niniel, Talmanes

 

 

5 and a half hours to deadline.

[Nynaeve]

DAY 1 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (4): Clov, Sooh, Tress, Alanna

 

Niniel (1): Hallia

 

Hallia (3): WiFi, Pral, Niniel

 

WiFi (1): Talmanes

 

Pral (2): Nyn, Ironeyes

 

Not voting (2): Dice, Katiora

 

 

2 hours to deadline

[Wildfire Sedai]

my wtl are niniel, hallia, and ironeyes ... these are based on gut and nothing else.

[Nynaeve]

If Ironeyes is scum, I'd say Tress looks good for tying the trains.

[Clovdyx]

my wtl are niniel, hallia, and ironeyes ... these are based on gut and nothing else.

 

Can you at least try to elaborate on what gives you those impressions?  You said gut.  Something had to influence that.

 

I'm asking because I'm still trying to wrap my head around your stance on Hallia from yesterday.  You seemed to discard your opinion of Hallia based on Nyn knowing her better and sheeped the vote.  Nyn saw something she didn't think would ever come from Hallia as mafia; I would guess that to be the case, as well, though I'm not nearly as confident as Nyn seemed to be.  What made you stay there afterwards?

 

Nyn - are you still feeling the same way about Hallia?

 

If Ironeyes is scum, I'd say Tress looks good for tying the trains.

 

I agree.  Mafia!Tress would have to be pretty positive that somebody was going to roll onto Hallia.  I don't remember what Alanna's read on her was, but I don't think she was feeling great about the lynch?  Might be misremembering that.

[Nynaeve]

 

Here's how I see it. There seems to have been a shift between a train on Hallia building which I pushed... then it sort of went down when I changed my mind... then I suspected Pral and voted him, what? a couple of hours to deadline? and it got as many as seven votes. Through this I think that Ironeyes's train stayed pretty static? didn't it? that in itself is pretty interesting.

Static wagon, do you think that suggests town is on it or scum?

 

I suppose if Ironeyes is town scums could have just stayed there instead of vote jumping. If Ironeyes is scum I would look for people on his train who were actively looking elsewhere and pushing other lynches I guess?

 

 

Static wagon would make me lean more towards scum prolly. It started with Hallia vs Ironeyes... i obviously changed my mind about her and the other votes there were Pral and Wifi, if I recall. It was part of the reason I had issues with Pral (ie his vote after saying to give her time to show, sheeping, competing trains and so on). And I already mentioned Wifi's inconsistency ie naming hallia null in her list, then saying she was town reading her, even though halli hadn't posted anything game related in between... and then landing on voting her because I know her better and she's usually the opposite of what wifi thinks. I still think this vote stinks, btw

 

Then later on i change my mind.... halli's train comes to a halt. If ironeyes' was town, i think scum would feel comfortable nudging that train along, but the only person who joined that train later on (closer to deadline) was Alanna. Instead I put a vote on Pral, Ironeyes jumped right in there and the train sky rocketed after that. 

 

I guess my point is, if ironeyes is town, I would have expected Halli's train coming to a halt resulting in his train getting a nudge... but it never did. Of course, I'm operating under the assumption that Hallia is town, cause I think she is. If she's not, that even makes it more suspicious that his train never really changed when their trains were tied.

 

I'm not even sure if I'm making sense here, but that's what I think, fwiw.

[dicetosser1]

I was around catching up before DL clov.

[Nynaeve]

Nyn - are you still feeling the same way about Hallia?

 

I do, but you're gonna laugh if I tell you why. Basically, what impacted me the most, at the time, was her saying that she was posting from work when she's not allowed to do that and that people better bother reading her analysis. I don't see Halli doing this kind of emotional guilt tripping/manipulation. I understand if this doesn't mean much to others, but it does to me.

 

After that I kept liking her catch ups, and I appreciated her read list. I don't necessarily agree with all of her reads, but I can totally see how she got there. Also, I like that she followed through on her promise to catch up. I caught her once for making promises and then not following through. Of course, she could have done it knowing she'd be dead if she doesn't.... but  I still think it's a good sign.

[Nynaeve]

Can you at least try to elaborate on what gives you those impressions?  You said gut.  Something had to influence that.

 

I'm asking because I'm still trying to wrap my head around your stance on Hallia from yesterday.  You seemed to discard your opinion of Hallia based on Nyn knowing her better and sheeped the vote.  Nyn saw something she didn't think would ever come from Hallia as mafia; I would guess that to be the case, as well, though I'm not nearly as confident as Nyn seemed to be.  What made you stay there afterwards?

 

 

I actually already asked her more than once to produce the posts that according to her made Hallia still look bad and made her stay on her. She quoted me a post of hers saying that Halli's content since did not "sing" to her (whatever that means). 

[Nynaeve]

DAY 1 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (4): Clov, Sooh, Tress, Alanna

 

Niniel (1): Hallia

 

Hallia (3): WiFi, Pral, Niniel

 

WiFi (1): Talmanes

 

Pral (2): Nyn, Ironeyes

 

Not voting (2): Dice, Katiora

 

 

This is a VC 2 hours from deadline. Does scumhallia go Pral when she can easily vote for Ironeyes to avoid the noose?  I looked at earlier VCs before Pral was even on the table. Hallia had like 3 votes on her and was the leading train. Ironeyes had two votes at some point. She had the opportunity to tie the trains. She never did. She sat as a lone vote on Nini the entire time, being one of her top scum reads. Even though I think it was fairly obvious Nini wasn't really a train that was going to happen D1. So basically... while being the leading train she seemed content voting for Nini.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure she voiced her concerns with Pral before I voted him (gonna double check this in a minute, but I think she did in her catch ups). So her vote moving to him once I started the train feels more like moving to another suspect since Nini wasn't happening, vs just piggy back riding me to save herself. It didn't feel dirty to me, in any case.

[Sooh]

Love your analysis rn Nyn. I'm going to bed now because I can't focus, but I'll be back in the morning.

[Hallia]

[v] Wifi [/v]

 

Nyn I would never do that. Ever. You are correct.

[Clovdyx]

 

Nyn - are you still feeling the same way about Hallia?

 

I do, but you're gonna laugh if I tell you why. Basically, what impacted me the most, at the time, was her saying that she was posting from work when she's not allowed to do that and that people better bother reading her analysis. I don't see Halli doing this kind of emotional guilt tripping/manipulation. I understand if this doesn't mean much to others, but it does to me.

 

After that I kept liking her catch ups, and I appreciated her read list. I don't necessarily agree with all of her reads, but I can totally see how she got there. Also, I like that she followed through on her promise to catch up. I caught her once for making promises and then not following through. Of course, she could have done it knowing she'd be dead if she doesn't.... but  I still think it's a good sign.

 

 

I'm not going to laugh at you for that.  Like I said in that post, I'm pretty much inclined to agree.  I won't say I think she absolutely wouldn't make it as mafia (I don't think she would lie about it, for the record), but it's a hell of a lot more likely to come from her as town.  I think Hallia as town is a whole lot more likely to just say how she feels than try to kind of "cheat" her way into looking good for bad reasons.

 

I just need to really get inside her head before I can start to feel strongly about her.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Nyn - are you still feeling the same way about Hallia?

 

I do, but you're gonna laugh if I tell you why. Basically, what impacted me the most, at the time, was her saying that she was posting from work when she's not allowed to do that and that people better bother reading her analysis. I don't see Halli doing this kind of emotional guilt tripping/manipulation. I understand if this doesn't mean much to others, but it does to me.

 

After that I kept liking her catch ups, and I appreciated her read list. I don't necessarily agree with all of her reads, but I can totally see how she got there. Also, I like that she followed through on her promise to catch up. I caught her once for making promises and then not following through. Of course, she could have done it knowing she'd be dead if she doesn't.... but  I still think it's a good sign.

 

 

I'm not going to laugh at you for that.  Like I said in that post, I'm pretty much inclined to agree.  I won't say I think she absolutely wouldn't make it as mafia (I don't think she would lie about it, for the record), but it's a hell of a lot more likely to come from her as town.  I think Hallia as town is a whole lot more likely to just say how she feels than try to kind of "cheat" her way into looking good for bad reasons.

 

I just need to really get inside her head before I can start to feel strongly about her.

 

 

[v] Wifi [/v]

 

Nyn I would never do that. Ever. You are correct.

 

Don't tell me what to feel.

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Up to page 17

 

 

The more I think about the whole Niniel situation the more I tend to think that her stubbornness regarding me might be a town sign. 

 

Agreed that Hallia seems to be not very involved, and I guess the same goes for Wifi, but they are both in another game at the moment I believe, so I will try to keep that in mind. I do hope they will prioritize this game tomorrow before EOD though.

 

Oh and I meant to 

 

unvote

 

 

The more I think about the whole Niniel situation the more I tend to think that her stubbornness regarding me might be a town sign. 

 

Agreed that Hallia seems to be not very involved, and I guess the same goes for Wifi, but they are both in another game at the moment I believe, so I will try to keep that in mind. I do hope they will prioritize this game tomorrow before EOD though.

 

Perhaps. But this game started roughly on the same time (I think this one started maybe a day after).... *shrugs*  I dunno. I don't like it. And if people are gonna sign up to more than one game at a time, that's on them to manage, not for me to discount.

 

Does Tina tend to be suspicious of you in games?

 

 

Yes, Niniel and I have a history of being suspicious of one another. In games where she has town read me I've gotten suspicious of her in the past lol. 

 

This is a really good sign for Sooh IMO.  She's showing the willingness to re-evaluate Tina, and given how much negative attention Tina's gotten so far, I wouldn't expect her sooh to back down like this as mafia unless she's teamed with Tina.  Combine that with her general effort so far, I feel good enough about Sooh to not worry about how she went about drawing up activity.

 

I agree that it does look good for Sooh, though I do disagree wrt Nini

 

Just finished a re-read, and can I say I'm pretty glad Zander wasn't in this game or I would have never finished before I passed out >.>  (love you Zanderiffic.... )

 

Quick and dirty reads before bed - I can expand on things in the morning and try to stay current while at work...

 

 

Alanna - skimmed her posts because yay innocent child

 

Nyn - looks like she is legit trying to figure people out and I can follow where she's thinking.  I like when Nyn is all townie up in my face

 

Sooh - I think she would have been a little less carefree and willing to draw attention if she was not town (I think she took BFG's "the bold" descriptor to heart here)

Dice - Gut read says most likely town, and my gut is rarely wrong on Dice.  (I... um... won't mention that I wasn't completely right on him in Rey's Caesar game, but then I wasn't playing that one and I didn't try that hard to figure it out.  Really.)

 

Clov - I have absolutely zero confidence that I can read him correctly.  Cautiously optimistic as he is making a lot of sense, but... He's never town for me on D1.  *shakes head stubbornly*

 

Niniel - Mixed... I think I have difficulty with how Nini expresses herself sometimes, it feels a little awkward.  Her seriousness about the joke votes comes across as weird. But my gut says it feels legit to me that she didn't notice the sample town role PM in the writeup and I don't know what to do with that right now.

 

Kat - True null

Pral - True null

 

WiFi - I'm not sure I know how to read her - we were on the same mafia team in her one and only mafia game so far, but that was a weird one due to the conflicting win conditions, and she's played a few more since then and is continuing to develop.  I'd like to keep an eye on this one for now to see what opinions she comes up with before forming an opinion.

 

Talmanes - I can't remember specifics off the top of my head, but a few things pinged me while reading.  I may be able to go back and identify those later but it's getting late and my brain is starting shutdown since the tiny morning people woke me up at oh-dark-thirty.

 

Hallia - Not feeling the Town!Hally just now, and I agree with Nyn's point that her vote on Niniel felt off.  Her reasoning included things that Niniel had already explained and it didn't seem like she had acknowledged or considered.  

 

Ironeyes - kind of the inverse of my Sooh read, he's definitely come across as self-conscious about appearances.   Most willing to vote here at this point.

 

 

Sorry the weekend was a bust for me being involved in the game - it's very hard to concentrate on mafia without being rude to one's hosts, and even more difficult when there are screaming toddlers vying for attention and demanding to steal my phone.    I'll be up at a reasonable hour in the morning, with coffee and hopefully half a functioning brain.  

 

 

Niniel - Mixed... I think I have difficulty with how Nini expresses herself sometimes, it feels a little awkward.  Gut says it feels legit to me that she didn't notice the sample town role PM in the writeup.  

 

Disagree with how high Nini is, but I don't dislike this catch up

 

 

Now I feel bad  lol

 

I swear she has some dirty spell on me.

 

A love spellllll

 

 

Well, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't trying to evaluate it.  If I'm not mistaken, you prefer to ease into a game rather than rushing into the actual gameplay, and saying you like her when I didn't even remember her being in the game isn't something that makes me feel good about you.

 

Feel good about this post. This si the exact feeling I had when I was reading before I realised Alanna was mod-confirmed

 

Should we all vote Nyn? Could be a fun experiment. Unless we should vote someone else. I really can't tell yet and I don't have time to analyze.

 

Don't like this comment. I know Sooh is saying that she is trying to play this different but it doesn't look natural. 

 

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

A fun experiment.

 

Yeah, when Nini is impulsive, that usually tells that she is town. Scum Nini is more calculative and careful. 

 

I dislike these three.  Discussed the first part at length already.  Second part I dislike wrt Sooh; completely disagree.  Third part I disagree as I still find her scummy.

 

 

I'm pretty sure Sooh is being a bit carefree

 
What does that tell you?

 

I feel like she is her town self.

 

 

Here's my first reads list. It's not much but its all I got right now.
 
1. The fearless WiFi - TOWN CO- QUEENIE  I'm usually "town queenie" when I'm town but since alanna is confirmed townie I have to share the title.  
2. Niniel the dauntless - NULL - SLIGHTLY SCUMMY - way too serious on the joke votes.  I mean unless she is a newbie, which I don't think she is from talking to her before, I don't think she would make that kind of slip. weird
3. Hallia the valiant - NULL - Not enough info
4. The intrepid Ironeyes - NULL - SLIGHTLY TOWNIE - I like the fact that he doesn't like to keep a joke vote on past the first vc.  Also he did some digging in.
5. Clovr the legionless - NULL - SLIGHTLY TOWNIE - He really started digging in, almost from the beginning.
6. The heroic Pral - NULL - Not enough info
7. Leyrann the legendary the incredible Kat - NULL - Not enough info
8. Talmanes the brave - NULL - SLIGHTLY TOWNIE - Not many posts but what he did post had a lot of meat in it
9. Tress the resolute - NULL - Not enough info
10. Sooh the bold (giggles madly as the knife twists in your gut) - NULL - SLIGHTLY TOWNIE -  Made a couple of joke votes and a few jokes.  Bantering back and forth.  Seems pretty upbeat. 
11. Nyn the b*tch (brilliant, tenacious, cunning hunter in case you were wondering) - NULL - SLIGHTLY TOWNIE - Had a joke vote and some bantering but also asked a few good questions.
12. Daredevil Dice - NULL - SLIGHTLY TOWNIE - He seems genuine in his posts.  Some digging but still mostly joking. light hearted.
13. The annoying Alanna (ANtagonistic, NOisY INGénue) - TOWN CO- QUEENIE CONFIRMED TOWNIE
 
 
DISCLAIMER: This reads list WILL CHANGE throughout the game.  Its inevitable. stuff happens. things change.

Mostly consensus reads. Repeating what others are saying. That's how I have always seen wifi play. This kinda makes me think she is town. However, to be frank, I don't know how she plays as scum.

 

 

I don't think this gives her town points at all.

 

 

 

Pral 

Been some time since I played a game with you 

 

 

Yeah, I don't play that often anymore. By request of the masses  xD

 

 

PLAY ALL THE TIME WOMAN.

 

Alright, caught up completely.
 
The one person that weirds me out is Clov. A lot of his post seems like he is telling what you would expect anyone to tell at that point but are in fact nudges.For example - like how he talked about Alanna not realising she was confirmed town, or his comment about wifi or about sooh. He kind of flip-flops about Sooh. His yolo vote against Ironeyes doesn't make him look good either. The people he felt town were Nyn, which IMO is kind of consensus at this moment. 
 
Especially on a short D1, nudging and voting easy targets like wifi and ironeyes is what makes me think he is not town here.

 

Yeah, not liking Pral's posts at all.

 

Hallia's vote on Nini also  looks opportunistic. Agree with Nyn on the timing of the vote. Slight scum

 

I am fine with wifi so far. Don't see her straying away from how she usually plays.Slight townie

 

Nini is looking very much town here. She does her impulsive votes on D1 as townie and I see her vote on Sooh the same way. Nothing else stands out for her.

 

Not much to talk about Kat, Ironeyes, Talmanes or Dice. They have made a few posts but nothing stands out in them.

 

Tress catchup post mostly looked fine.  I find it a bit weird that she names Talmanes as her top scum picks when he only had a couple of posts mainly commenting on Nyn. 

 

Nyn has been her usual questioning and figuring out gameplay on D1. I would wait for game to go on and try to figure her after a few flips. It is relatively easier to figure her out based on her voting styles rather than meta. 

 

Sooh was off her usual style initially but has been better in the later part of the game. I feel she is town. 

 

I find it funny that you flip-flop to Sooh being town once she is basically town consensus.

 

 

 

 

 

This is a post of Hallia when she's catching up on p.17. Here she points out a bunch of Pral posts she really doesn't like or agree with. Reiterates her suspicion on Nini.

 

 

 

DAY 1 VoteCount

Ironeyes (3): Clov, Sooh, Tress

Niniel (1): Hallia

Hallia (2): WiFi, Pral

Talmanes (1): Alanna

WiFi (1): Niniel

Not voting (5): Dice, Ironeyes, Katiora, Nyn, Talmanes

 

VC right after her post. I haven't even started talking about Pral being iffy yet.

 

 

Just got caught up, would like to reread a bit if I have time.

Anyone have any suspicions of me besides the fact that I haven't been active over the weekend? I'm really not seeing anything but that and I am seeming to be the top of quite a few lists here.

I still really don't like the push in Niniel. I still think she is Town at this point and even if I didn't, the main point against her seems to be reading Nyn as Town for the exact same reason I did and no one has questioned me on my exact same read. Seems pretty off.

I also don't like the push on Hallia by Nun (the unvote makes me feel better) because she did the exact same thing last game I played and Hally got lynched just because she wasn't around much. I this KT he people bandwagoning this one look a bit scummy.

I'm really not getting the confirmed Town feel from Sooh like a lot of others seem to but that's still really just a feeling and not concrete so I'm not willing to vote there.

I liked Pral's reads and am going to be watching Clov based on his reads.

At this point I'm going to [v] WiFi [/v]. I was willing to give some benefit of the doubt to her as she is new, and as I commented her play seemed similar to what I've seen, but I can't get over the bandwagon vote on Hallia. Did not back it up at all, just saying well Nyn said so it must be right. Could be too much on the plate but I can't let it slide especially on D1 without much else to go on.

 

 

I really feel like Ironeyes hasn't been around enough or done enough to merit a vote for that matter either. I feel like he is being voted simply for not being around (seems to be the only real reason anyone is looking at me too) and I don't think that is really a viable route.

 

Unrelated to my reread.... but I came across this and have to say.... if Ironeyes turns out being scum, this is gonna prove to be very interesting irt Talamanes. Especially considering he broke the tie between Ironeyes and Pral's trains, by putting Pral at majority with 5 votes.

 

 

 

Finished my Hallia ISO.. wasn't very long. I didn't see anything obviously scummy there. She hasn't been on much but busy weekends happen. *shrugs* I have like her play so far today. I don't know that I agree with everything she's said but I like her tone and that she's still putting forth effort. Probably won't vote there today. 

 

Also unrelated to my reread but I saw this and just wanted to say I like this impression post. Kinda how I felt when Halli finally caught up properly.

 

 

So does it strike anyone as odd that Pral was rambling about sheeping and asking for competing trains and bla bla bla.... but then votes Hallia?

 

This is where I start the fail.

 

 

 

[Nynaeve]

[v] Wifi [/v]

 

Nyn I would never do that. Ever. You are correct.

 

I am conflicted on Wifi for one reason right now. Look at what I posted just now. Talamanes voted her, saying we should cut Ironeyes some slack. Then only later moved to Pral's train once it formed. I'm gonna have to read back to his vote on Pral to see how well explained it was and if he actually mentioned Pral before that.

[Nynaeve]

Halli, how do you feel irt dice currently? your read on him seemed to fluctuate and you didn't like him taking off without voting. But he came back later and did vote. Thoughts?

[Hallia]

Do you agree we vote Iron? I'm still unsold on Nini

[Hallia]

I don't feel as good without more from him. He kinda dropped off.

[BFG]

DAY 2 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (1): Clov

 

WiFi (1): Hallia

 

Not voting (9): Dice, Ironeyes, Katiora, Niniel, Nyn, Sooh, Talmanes, Tress, WiFi

 

[Nynaeve]

im hating this but nyns post saying hes been viewing pushes it over the edge

 

 

vote pral

 

 

DAY 1 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (4): Clov, Sooh, Tress, Alanna

 

Hallia (2): Pral, Niniel

 

Pral (7): Nyn, Ironeyes, Hallia, Kat, Talmanes, WiFi, Dice

 

 

fwiw, I think this actually looks good for dice. Pral was leading 6-4. He voted 3 minutes to deadline. He could have safely voted Ironeyes, as his scummate, and come out looking squeaky clean after Pral's mislynch... and even better if/when Ironeyes gets lynched going forward and flips scum.