[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Darthe]

Official Bloody Vote Count:

Verbalina (1/10): Len

Crayjay (1/10): Dice

Yates (1/10): Krak

Mistress (6/10): Mynd, NyanCat, Red, X, Jack, Len

Red (7/10): Dawn, Nol, Tommy, Yates, Halleeloujah, MegaLoud, Verbalina

Cloud (1/10): Mistress

Mynd (2/10): AJ, Desbat

 

Not Voting (1/19):

Zen

 

 

18 hours til Night

[Sedai]

So where does Mynd's play put red on the spectrum?

 

I've been agreeing with Mynds thoughts up to page 25.

[hazelkrs1]

Sooooo close to being fully caught up. On page 40.

 

Heading to carnival at daughter's school however. I'll try to purchase some mafia credits from my wife for when we get back

[Sedai]

Official Bloody Vote Count:

Crayjay (1/10): Dice

Yates (1/10): Krak

Mistress (6/10): Mynd, NyanCat, Red, X, Jack, Len

Red (7/10): Dawn, Nol, Tommy, Yates, Halleeloujah, MegaLoud, Verbalina

Cloud (1/10): Mistress

Mynd (2/10): AJ, Desbat

 

Not Voting (1/19):

Zen

 

 

18 hours til Night

Fixed

 

Mistress

Krak

Dice

AJ/Corey

 

What makes your choices more scummy then the current 2 wagons?

[Lenlo]

What I wanna know, is why did this get overlooked?

 

 

I can't really tell if she seems scummy or not, actually. 

 

But somebody else did vote her before me, so I guess she is? Maybe? I'm not sure yet.

 

 

This seems like the a pretty awful excuse for voting someone.

 

 It didnt, but I like you calling it out.

 

 

Do we both get corsages?

PUSHING IT A LITTLE

 

 Not pushing it enough.

 

 

as far as i know, i'm the only one who commented on it (well krak voted you, but didn't give a reason ... i can assume he voted you for the reveal but one never knows with the krakin)

 

 

game wide though, it was ignored and buried.  i dont want it forgotten

So you feel like post 313 didn't adequately convey your feelings on the matter? And you didn't find it telling that you were summarilly ignored?

 

Finally; who cares about a full VT claim in thread? What's worth talking about? Do you plan on disproving the V or the T somehow?

 

 Dont like this, still dont like Yates. Dunno why people seem to have a town read on him but I dont.

 

 

 

The issue is that it was explained in numerous times. You have pointed out some very specific arguments which makes me believe you are reading the thread. So I do not understand the inconsistency.

 

This misses the bigger picture question; why would someone claim likely scum in thread?  Makes no sense and is thus simply a distraction.  So why is Red trying to create a distraction?

 

 

Yates - LOCKCLEAR

 

 

Who are you going to vote for?

 

currently i'm voting for you.  it interesting seeing how AJ came to your defense and others latchign onto his assumption that my vote was a joke.  its also fun watchign you squirm with a single vote on you. 

 

i may just leave it for shits and grins

 

 

Just all around terrible. For one, I didn't assume your vote was a joke. I said the tone of it was jokey, which bothered me, considering the seriousness of Mynd's post a few before there where he was legitimately casing someone and then you turned attention to Tom.

 

So you're saying you are going to leave your vote on Tom although it has been explained what the meaning of GOAT was? Even though you think Mish could be mafia based on the post YOU made as well as other people's arguments against her?

 

 I dont like how you are lock clearing Yates. Is it cause hes going against Red, who you think is scum? Thats crap and I dont like it. Red is starting to look bad though. Her recent responses have left much to be desired and are lacking that town feel.

 

 

 

as fast as this thread is growing and as much spam that exists in it, theres a real chance that posts will go un noticed that should be noticed.  why d you have a problem with me brigning it back up?

 

So your new story is that you are afraid that a day 1 claim is going to go unnoticed/forgotten? And that it will never be seen again?

 

 

+1. Seriously, who is going to forget about it?

 

 Whyyyyyyyyyy.

 

 

I brought up Des because he is acting to seriously out of meta it's worrying. He usually comes in big, with tons of quotes and immediatly sets himself up as town leader. Here, he threw a half-hearted FoS at Red, and then starting nattering about off-topic stuff. I noted it and I want to see what he says about and how he acts next time he gets on. If he doesn't pick it up, I'll be all over his game.

 

This is lame btw, especially because I have almost four times the content Des does and you just got through telling us how we should be looking at both heads of a hydra.

 

 Agreed. Feeling abit better about you Womby but gonna keep you where you are.

 

 

Red your reasoning for continuing to vote me makes approximately zero sense. You have an apparent scum suspect in Mish yet you are voting me "for reactions." The reactions you're getting are from probtownies who recognize this is my obvtown game.

 

Try again.

 

red - mutli taskign and casing multiple people is good.

 

you're reaction to a single vote is scummy.  you've done nothing scum hunting wise, you've only had cheerleading support for the case building on Mish, and you blatantly wagon a person with the longest train with no other reason than OMGUS and people are defending you.

 

to quote Hamlet's mother "the lady doth protest too much, me thinks,"

 

blue - the only perosn i trust in this game is myself.

 

pink - meta isn't a good defense and i dont buy it, nor do i use it to determine the scumminess ot towness of a person. 

 

green - nah i'm good.

 

 This? This is ugly.

 

 

its like Schrödinger's cat 

 

 If you wanna talk about Schrodinger's Cat, I got you covered. Physics mafia ftw. :P

 

 

 

Notice the logically fallacious D2 associative reads that are being set up here:

 

 

1.  Wombat scum implies Dawn town.

2.  Wombat scum implies Red town.

3.  Wombat flips town.

4.  Oh well I was wrong about Wombat so I must have been wrong about Dawn/Red

 

Associative, schmassosiative.  You're my strongest read ATM.  Without going back and doing a full re-read or a bunch of ISOs, this is what I've got, mostly gut impressions but it's legit.

 

 

Totes legit brah!

 

 

I would have gotten a town read on Yates only because he claimed VT with his opening post but I liked his play against Red as well. It's a good way to kickstart a game with a lot of WIFOM and it limits the possibilities of the player because it fixes his role in place. This is also the reason why it is an incredibly risky move for the mafia to make with not a lot of gain.

 

 I disagree. Often if a scum gets heat/attention on D1 and manages to avoid getting lynched they can go all the way to late game without having to lift a finger. I know. Ive done it before.

 

 

Doesn't change the fact she's outright lying and skewing verbal diarrhea :P

 

 

is that an LD claim or just another cry for my attention?

 

 Ewwwwwww.

 

 

 

half way to being lynched, being the person with the most pressure on them currently and 45 hrs until the deadline.  thats by no means a quick reveal.

1/2 way to being lynched in a game that requires TEN votes = L-5. And yes, that's a quick reveal. If you were an actual Town power role, you would understand how your early reveal is detrimental to a Town win condition.

 

 

bold - glad to see you have basic arithmatic down

 

the iorny of being lectured on the proper time to reveal by a person who revealed with 1 vote and 1 day into the game is almost too much XD

 

to the underline - i am a town BG.  Jon Umber was part of Robb Starks personal gaurd and directly defended him during the Red Wedding. 

 

it was either wait to claim and have it possibly too late for any other lynch or claim early enough for people to get on and switch their vote.  woudl you rather me have been lynch and lose the BG role or me claim when i did with enough time for soemthign to be done today?

 

 Im null on this claim. Its safe for mafia to pull, and I dont think the character is necessarily that important. 

 

yes darthe i know   rolls eyes    now that the memefest is over i will play too.

 

 

so far i am reading

 

cory/aj town

 

tommy town (thats unusual)

 

leaning town on dawn

 

question about hydras. Can one head be mafia and one head town?

Is this Dice's First post of the game? Cause if so yuck. Even if its not its one of his first. I dont like it he just comes in with reads but nothing to back them up or show them.

 

 

scum

Mistress (Mish/Tress)

Dawn

Yates

 

null to scum

Desbat (Wombat/Des)

Red

Dice

 

null

Nolbat

Krak

Jack

Princess Verbalina of Kindelbury (Verb/Tina)

Zanube

Nyankat (Nyn/Kat)

 

null to town

MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud)

Crayjay (Cory/Andrej)

Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally)

X

 

town

Mynd

Tommy.

 

Also ##unvote just in case. I realised I dont know what the VC is at and dont want to risk a hammer. Hope I didnt already screw that up.

[Myndrunner]

Where'd Mynd go?

 

Um.....work? I'm here now.  Let's chat, shall we?

 

 

 

Beat me to it. I like Avengers better, though. More characters. Plus - I have a bromance with Coulson.

 

http://www.myndjack.com/forums/index.php?topic=7415.0

 

 

Loved that game.

 

 

 

I actually am not buying her claim as much anymore. Little Jon or whoever she claimed seems like a very obscure. Was he part of the red wedding? Bodyguard roles are valuable because they typically protect an even powerful role. Don't recall any bodyguards doing much protecting at the red wedding though...

 

I do trust Red's scumhinting when she's town. So far, the only thing that I see questionable at this point is her claim. As I said before, she could be fake claiming but it doesn't mean she's scum either. I've fake claimed as a vanilla townie before to throw the scum off and 60% of the time it has worked every time. Other than that, she seems to be doing what everyone else is doing. Difference is, people are going after her so she will naturally be defensive.

 

She could be scum, but she hasn't done anything prior to the fake claim to warrant as many votes as she has gained. I smell a rotten bandwagon.

It’s silly to base your read on Red by the validity of her character claim. I’m sure that Darthe has provided safe claims for the mafia to use. I’m also not a fan how your read on Red appears to change every time you mention her name and how you compare the game mechanics to the actual Red Wedding to see if they fit or not.

 

 

How is that silly?  There are 16 players in the game and of course, Rob Stark would be one.  Small Jon seems like such a tertiary character claim.  I don't know enough about the series to know if he would make sense as a bodyguard character.  Bron would make sense (from the TV series, at least) for Tyrion, but naturally Joffrey would not.  Also, part of effective scumhunting is being flexible.  Only sheep herd themselves on one track without second guessing.  That's what mafia love.  Sheep.

 

Are you a sheep?  Baaaahhh baaahhh?  How did Red's lynch start in the first place?  I still think that Tress/Mish is the best choice for today, hence my vote.

 

When I flip my vote to Red, THEN you can officially say that my opinion has completely changed.  Based on what I have read, I don't think she is mafia.  I think some people see her as dangerous and want her out of the game.  They are called scum.  We should lynch them instead.

 

 

Did Red and Mynd go from half-heartedly duking it out a couple days ago to defending each other or did I imagine that?

 

No.  Mynd is hedging on Red.  Which is even worse.

 

 

There is a strong difference between "hedging" and questioning one's claim.  I said that I don't believe Red's claim and I have asked in this thread for clarification on the role of Little Small Jon.  I would worry about the player who NEVER hedges on their reads.  Those are the townies who will get us all lynched.   Believe me, I KNOW!

 

 

Anyone up for a Mynd CFD?

 

I agree that character claims are null and shouldn't be used in weighing players.

C*ck Filled Day?  Sorry, my day has had its fill of C*CKS already!

 

The only people who are scared about character claims are scum.  Sure, the scum have fake claims, but none of those claims are going to be Rob or Kaitlin Stark, right?  Those fake claims will likely be tertiary characters from the game......LIKE LITTLE SMALL JON.

 

Scummy post Mynd.

How so?  Care to expand on this a bit?   I'd expect more from you.

 

Did Red and Mynd go from half-heartedly duking it out a couple days ago to defending each other or did I imagine that?

When were we at all duking it out?  Please quote this for me.  I cannot seem to find that section of the game.  Oh yeah, because it doesn't exist.

 

Making stuff up just to suit your purposes is anti-town.  So is blindly going along with a lynch just because. 

 

 

You're using my avatar to censor things?

 

 

Ok, now this is pretty f*ckin funny!

[Myndrunner]

 

Official Bloody Vote Count:

Crayjay (1/10): Dice

Yates (1/10): Krak

Mistress (6/10): Mynd, NyanCat, Red, X, Jack, Len

Red (7/10): Dawn, Nol, Tommy, Yates, Halleeloujah, MegaLoud, Verbalina

Cloud (1/10): Mistress

Mynd (2/10): AJ, Desbat

 

Not Voting (1/19):

Zen

 

 

18 hours til Night

Fixed

 

Mistress

Krak

Dice

AJ/Corey

 

What makes your choices more scummy then the current 2 wagons?

 

 

Interesting that after I pointed out that many of the hydras were voting with me, they all abandoned ship and joined the Red train.

 

Saying it is scummy because I don't believe Red is scum is scummy in itself.  VOTING me because of it is bully-voting.  Red has done her usual casing.  It's not perfect, but in every game where Red flipped town, this is what she has done.  I'm really confused as to why her trains has built so fast with basically nothing to go on.

 

I doubt her claim.  It doesn't mean it's not true.  If I truly felt she was scum, my vote will be there. 

 

As far as the hydras, I guess you all were asleep during those 3rd grade lessons in probability.  Let's break it down:

 

There are 5 scum slots.  (Sounds like my typical Friday night)

 

There are 16 player slots.  7 of those player slots have two people playing them.  That is 7 out of 16.  The odds that at least two of those 7 hydra teams are on the scum team is likely.  Not certain.  Not impossible.  But likely. 

 

Hydra teams on the mafia QT and in the game thread give them an added advantage that we, as a town, do not share with town hydra teams.  Instead of 5 scummies arguing the given scum propaganda of the day, we could have anywhere from 7 to 8.  It is a lot more convincing when you have 8 people all saying that the sky is falling instead of a couple. 

 

We should be looking at the 7 hydra teams.  If Red's lynch happens, we need to see where these hydras are and how they voted based on her lynch.  We should be lynching Mishtress.  It is the most logical thing to do.  Mish continues to make excuses while Tress does her best to appear town. 

[Lenlo]

pg 31-40

 

Im spoiler this so it doesnt crush the page. Realised that as well after my last post. 

Yuck on Jack so far. Very little gameplay from him to actually judge.

 

Mynd comes back with some jokes. Amusing but null. Hurting my town read on him abit.

 

 

 

@mynd would you mind adding to why jack is scummy?

I was referring to JackD's comment about how he was accusing TommyRod for being scum and how he was gonna go back and read why later.

I never said tommy was scum

 

Can I get some gameplay outta you plox? Thankies.

 

 

If we lynch one of these, our reward far outweighs our risk, especially with the added benefit of proper casing.  Suppose we lynch Nyankat and they flip town.  Big deal.  We lose one townie with two brains.  If they flip mafia, we can eliminate two mouthpieces from their mafia QT.  That is two less people trying to distract and sway us in the wrong direction.  No risk of tag-teaming us off a cliff.

That's assuming they can't stay in their mafia QTs.

Most mods here let them. I personally usually give them the option to move on to a dead thread or stay with their team.

Point is killing them doesn't necessarily eliminate their voices.

 

That said I am more than willing to start a train on any hydra team for the purely selfish reason that I think they're dumb and don't belong in this game.

Lead the way.

 

CFD on a random hydra? In.

 

Please do.

 

I've been a professional mafia player since Halloween, roughly. During 2014 I've been netting average $15k/mo sponsorship contracts from the NMPA and MAFiAAA to entertain spectators with astounding feats of wit and cunning. I'm really much better at being mafia than I am at being town, so you should never ever trust me, but you should always listen to me because I know what's good for the village. Probably.

 

In my spare time I like to whittle. 

Hey uh, you got someone I can call to get in on this? I need the extra income and im sure I could fill /something/ even if its just throwing a match or to. Call me.

 

Too many wolves not enough villagers

 

Someone play

No u.

 

Let's count the misreps:
 

 

She's claiming BG. Who are we going to have her protect? Yates? lol
Her role, even if it's real, is pretty much useless right now. 
I'm more ok with losing a BG on day one more than I am letting scum get away.

um, whose this we you're talking about Nol.  just because i revealed doesn't mean i'm letting you direct who i protect.  i'm a big girl and capable of my own decisions.  
 
heavy FoS for trying to direct my NA and for one of the worsts reasons i've seen yet to keep a vote on me.

 

Misrep #1. What rational person reads Nolder's response as "directing the BG??" It is quite clear that he is making a joke about a BG protecting a claimed VT. It is additionally humorous given our adversarial relationship.
 

i could roll with lynching Yates though.  his reaction to people poking him about his claim diserves a bit more pressure imo

Misrep #2. Name all of the "people" poking me about my claim that I'm reacting to. I contend that number is a grand total of 1 - you. As a sidebar - if you think you have enough game to "pressure" me you are sorely mistaken. Feel free to ask around. I'm cooler than the other side of the pillow even with a guilty result on my slot.

so theres other game related stuff happening, but now that no ones presuring you directly you go back to spammign it up.  *nods*

What, specifically, required my attention or response at that particular juncture? Also, I am not a member of this community outside of this mafia forum. Are you trying to portray my effort to have some fun with this particular player base as scummy?
 
 

aside from defending yourself, you're only other interaction has been to lay WIFOM, and respond to off topic content (lucid dreaming and now the above)

Misrep #3. Do you feel as though my challenge on your logic is simply "defending" myself? If so, why do you suppose so many people started voting for you AFTER I started challenging your logic and motivation?

Misrep #4. Show me the wifom. Oh wait. You can't because you are the one creating it.

As far as the off topic stuff goes; I've put in a good day's work. I've found scum. Now I can kick up my heels and enjoy myself a bit while everyone else works on their cases. So sue me.

As far as "balancing" a game with hydras? What do you not understand? A hydra is ONE slot. It just happens to be played by two people. Balance is EXACTLY the same. There are X number of Town slots and Y number of Scum slots [and sometimes Z number of 3rd party slots]. Hydra or regular player, it doesn't matter, when the RNG is rolled the SLOT is assigned a role. Any further conversation on this matter only succeeds in making yourself look foolish. Granted, a hydra *should* speak through a single account [and why you don't do that here is beyond me] but it's still the same.

 

This made me feel better about Yates.

 

 

 

 

I'm just dragging Amega with me for the added challenge.

 

I thought you had to beat Hard before you moved on to Nightmare...

 

 

Wombat:  tosses up softball

 

Verbal:  hits it out of the park

 

Crowd:  goes wild!!!!!!!

 

 

So late for me to   at this, but was saved in my quotes so meh.

 

Sorry bout last night, watched the Spurs game, and we lost so I wasn't really in the mood for mafia. Fell asleep at home before I could reawaken my WIM.

 

WIM status tonight is fairly good, but I gotta catch up in another game first. Be back in a bit

 

Hey Des. Do your job and catch the scum. Maybe play alittle. <3

 

 

Sorry folks, was super busy yesterday, and too tired after getting home to check back in.  I'll catch up today for sure (have about 20 pages to read) and jump back in.

99% of it is spam or walls of text. Have fun.

 

Which makes this reread heck. Really.

 

Red still hasn't responded directly to me, so I'm interpreting that as a tactical retreat.

Likin Red less and less and her claim isnt enough to fix that.

 

1. Mistress (Mish/Tress) - If it was just Mish, I'd say straight up flustered. With Tress if feels like damage control and not fully liking how in her quick recap that she tied a few people to how Desbat flips. I feel like they've reigned in a bit and are trying to tighten up their game. Mish - how do you feel about X now? Townish with a hint of scum

2. Desbat (Wombat/Des) - I've liked Wombat's play so far. I'd like to see some more from Des though. Most memorable posts are him talking about dreams. 

3. Nolbat - He seems to be trying, I wouldn't say he's giving his all yet, but I wouldn't call him scum either. Lazyish townie. 
4. Krak - Where you at? 3 posts? Not cool, man. Not cool. 
5. MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud) - Undecided. Cloud is #scumday1nomatterwhat and Amega isn't the strongest of players. So far Cloud hasn't done anything uber scummy to get a vote from me. null 
6. Crayjay (Cory/Andrej) - posting has been strong from both Cory and AJ, leaning town on them 
7. Lenlo - Mostly spammy, null. I'd like to see some comments on the events in the game. I know you can do it. 
8. X - I didn't see his op the way Mish did. I think he responded alright to Mish and Tress. I'd like to see some commentary from him on Red
9. Dawn - seems a bit jumpy, not sure if it's her newness still or if she doesn't want the attention on her. Null to slight scum 
10. Jack - just got to the party. Welcome
11. Princess Verbalina of Kindelbury (Verb/Tina) - Verbal seems on par for his level of posting. Tina could be a bit more inquisitive, but so far she hasn't set off my scum radar yet. Null
13. Dice - Barely active, but has been commenting on game play. Slight town lean, will change to a scum lean if he's not more active though
14. Zanube - Have you seriously only made 2 posts?!? 1 to say hi and 1 to comment on dreaming? 
15. Red - I'm still having a hard time with your claiming as early as you did, especially after the ration of crap you gave Yates for his claim. We weren't near deadline and you were just at half the vote required for a lynch. Are you still voting Tommy over the Goat thing? Leaning jumpy scum. Also - I won't read skittle puke or quotes within quotes, so I probably won't read half your posts. 
16. Nyankat (Nyn/Kat) - Meow. Okay, Nyn so far seems genuine in her posting. Townish lean on her
17. Mynd - Doing his beating the grass thing. Hi Mynd. So you thought Red claimed a big gun for a bit? Yeah unfortunately not. How do you feel about her super early claim? Why fear the hydras? 
18. Tommy - I don't really see where Tommy is "squirming" like Red seems to think he is. His posts are coming off with a townie vibe. Town lean
19. Yates - opened with a claim of VT, slight distraction but haven't seen any erratic behavior from him. Null 

 

##unvote, vote Red

1. Agreed

2. Disagree

3. Agree.

4. Agree. Get his butt in here.

5. Kinda disagree. Leaning town on them.

6. Agree

7. Only cause you asked BB.

8. Im leaning town atm.

9. Thinking scum.

10. Now go get me something to drink.

11. Agreed.

13. Im not liking his play. I want him to play more.

14. Either start playing or get policy lynched. Lurking im ok with, but 2 posts seems more like your ignoring the game entirely.

15. Scum.

16. Agreed.

17. Im thinking town.

18. Agreed.

19. Agreed for now.

 

I love you so much. Never change.

 

I'm spoilering my response to Red because at this point the "logic" presented in her posts have approached levels of absurdity that would be difficult to quantify. And, frankly, we are all probably slightly dumber for having read them.

For Red's eyes only: 

As for the rest of your "defense" *sigh*

You continue to misrep even in your defense of point #2. I specifically asked you to name the people "poking" me. As in, look at the posts where people "poke" me about my claim, look to the left and see that person's name, record that name and the post number. Do it.

Your defense of point #3 is both illogical and evasive. I specifically asked you two questions:
1. Do you feel as though my challenge on your logic is simply "defending" myself?
Your evasive response boiled down to a statement that I was "tryign to make [you] look scummy." So you don't get to have it both ways. I was either being defensive OR I was attacking you. Here's a hint - I was scum hunting you. Thus, you have proven my point that your allegation is a misrepresentation of facts.

2.why do you suppose so many people started voting for you AFTER I started challenging your logic and motivation?
I notice you ignored this entirely. Likely because it further disproves your false allegation and misrepresentation of fact.

Since I'm not going to get into a semantic argument with you, fine. I will give you point #4. You can at least justify a claim as wifom if you really REALLY reach for it. I maintain, however, that your nonsensical "Schrödinger's cat" excuse for creating the conversation in the first place is where all of the wifom exists. Just because there's a box there doesn't mean you have to open it. It's not like it was addressed to you...

Yes. I'm calling you scum. You should know this because I'm voting for you. So now we venture into the land of brand new misreps...

What are we on, misrep 5 now? The purple-green argument. I challenge you to find another person in this game that interprets my post 710 the way you do. Good luck with that. Any reasonably rational person sees that in the "purple" quote I am questioning what would cause Mynd to believe your claim. My own personal opinion has no bearing on why MYND believes your claim. However, even if you are going to assert that I am casting doubt on your claim [because it is accurate that I doubt your claim and have said as much in thread] where do you think there's a disconnect between that and the green? In the green I am following up on a scenario in which Mynd proposes you could be a good scum hunter if Town. So read between the lines for a second - it isn't hard to do. My point is that you are clearly not being a scum hunter right now so I'm not quite sure what would lead Mynd to think this is even a possibility given your game play. That question, however, is for Mynd - not you.

Misrep #6 - "suggesting scum will kill their own." *sigh* Again, I challenge you to find ONE OTHER PERSON in this game that interprets my post 716 the same way you do. Any reasonably rational person can see that this is a challenge to explain how long you would give a claim of this type to prove itself IN GENERAL. Take your name out of it entirely and pretend I'm talking about myself if you want. It doesn't really change the question or, hopefully, the response. Again, though, this is a question for Mish - not you.

This is some next-level flailing. So I'm forced to ask myself if you are simply being obstinate about a nonsensical "point" [as others have claimed is your meta] and have found yourself in a hole you can't climb your way out of OR if your misreps and misreads are intentional and as a result you are simply incapable of substantiating your fake read. I'm clearly leaning towards the later.

 

Made me feel even better about Yates. Feels like hes actually palying the game now instead of doing a half snark/half look like he was playing thing.

 

 

@ Tommy - if i flip scum, you get to pick the siggie i wear for a week.  if i flip town, i'll let others who have played with you more decide your siggie (probably something pink, purple and sparkly though). 
 
the siggies will be within reason though and not breaking the CoC ofcourse.

Stop. Darthe is pretty chill and all but I'm pretty sure this is a mod killable offense. My advice is to stop this right now.

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

scum

Mistress (Mish/Tress)

Dawn

Red

 

null to scum

Desbat (Wombat/Des)

Dice

Jack

 

null

Nolbat

Krak

Princess Verbalina of Kindelbury (Verb/Tina)

Zanube

Nyankat (Nyn/Kat)

 

null to town

MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud)

Crayjay (Cory/Andrej)

Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally)

Yates

X

 

town

Mynd

Tommy

 

[Lenlo]

Alright. Read 40-47. Nothing really changed and dont want to make /another/ WoT. I hate making WoTs.

 

##vote Red

 

Dont add another 25 pages overnight next time plox? It makes it difficult for my to keep up and then I just have to go screw it and catch up all at once.

[Leelou]

Oh hai Lenlo :) 

[Krakalakachkn]

Starting my catch up.

[Sedai]

Alright. Read 40-47. Nothing really changed and dont want to make /another/ WoT. I hate making WoTs.

 

##vote Red

 

Dont add another 25 pages overnight next time plox? It makes it difficult for my to keep up and then I just have to go screw it and catch up all at once.

Accept I'm playing now? Still null to scum? :p

[Lenlo]

Oh hai Lenlo :) 

Miss me?

 

 

Alright. Read 40-47. Nothing really changed and dont want to make /another/ WoT. I hate making WoTs.

 

##vote Red

 

Dont add another 25 pages overnight next time plox? It makes it difficult for my to keep up and then I just have to go screw it and catch up all at once.

Accept I'm playing now? Still null to scum? :p

 

Keep it up and well see.

[Cory Caboose]

that's what she said

[Leelou]

 

Oh hai Lenlo :) 

Miss me?

 

Yup. You are one of my new favorite funny posters. 

[amegakure]

 

 

When I flip my vote to Red, THEN you can officially say that my opinion has completely changed.  Based on what I have read, I don't think she is mafia.  I think some people see her as dangerous and want her out of the game.  They are called scum.  We should lynch them instead.

 

Havent attempted my reread yet. But i have a vague idea of the events going on. I like where mynd's head is at. I dont feel that red is scum and im quite sure people are scared of her and they should be, i dont like how she isnt fighting as much as i saw her do last time. On the contrary my other half does and i have yet to discuss it with him.

 

@mynd I dont know that you should look to far into how characters match up to the story though. The red wedding was a massacre and it eliminates multiple roles if you try to match the story to the setup. Ill probably break down and do a 20 page reread tonight. Going to the gym now so this is all i have to add. 

[Andrej]

Yes Mynd, let's chat. If you would like to see my explanation on your scummy post look here .

 

Essentially, what you are saying is that you don't find Red scummy because X but you doubt her claim because Y. I took several examples from one post where you are saying "I don't think Red is scum, but she could be" etc. This allows you to play both sides of the argument. You can defend her via meta, but continue to add motivation to her wagon without actually voting her by casting doubt on her character/role. It's a good way to keep you from getting your hands dirty in the event that she is lynched and flips as she claimed because you can always backtrack and pull the "I said she was on her meta!" gig to explain your absence on the train.

 

Scum 101.

 

I also strongly dislike what you are suggesting in regards to hydra hunting, and not simply because I am a hydra this game. A beautiful and majestic one, I might add. For one, you keep saying there are 16 slots. There's 19, so it's 14:5, which is says clearly in the VC that you quoted. This lessens the probability by a good amount of your theory that multiple hydras are on the scum team. While it is still very possible you seem to be saying that we should isolate the hydra teams and proceed in that fashion. I dislike this for obvious reasons, namely the fact that you are suggesting we more or less ignore other gameplay to focus on the hydras because they *could* pose a bigger threat. I also disagree with this on a fundamental level because as others have already pointed out, having 2 heads to one slot doubles the chance that one of them slip up. It also ignores the blatant advantage it gives to town for those hydras because they function very much like a Mason pair in the sense that they are two sets of eyes that are confirmed to each other to dissect the game together.

 

In short, this feels like a scum agenda. You are isolating a pool of several slots (enough to bring the game to Mylo) and suggesting we more or less policy lynch them systematically because of a faulty theory that the scum team can control the thread.

 

No bueno.

[Songstress]

Still at work for another 4 hours. Current VC and time to deadline?

[Sedai]

Still at work for another 4 hours. Current VC and time to deadline?

Your L-1 45 min left

[Myndrunner]

 

I think you're imagining it.

 

The only thing I've seen from Mynd irt Red is stuff like this:

 

I actually am not buying her claim as much anymore. 

 

she could be fake claiming but it doesn't mean she's scum either. 

 

She could be scum,

 

I smell a rotten bandwagon.

 

 

Well, for one she could be scum.  If I believed she was, that is where my vote would be.  I smell a rotten bandwagon because I don't think she is and her lynch built up very fast.  Usually in these cases it is because a lot of scum saw an opportunity to jump on board.  That and some narrow-minded townies.  Its frustrating to play a game where 1/3 of the town simply go along with the flow and not put any actual thought into things.  Just yelling "SCUM" without anything to back it up is no way to win.

 

Yes Mynd, let's chat. If you would like to see my explanation on your scummy post look here .

 

Essentially, what you are saying is that you don't find Red scummy because X but you doubt her claim because Y. I took several examples from one post where you are saying "I don't think Red is scum, but she could be" etc. This allows you to play both sides of the argument. You can defend her via meta, but continue to add motivation to her wagon without actually voting her by casting doubt on her character/role. It's a good way to keep you from getting your hands dirty in the event that she is lynched and flips as she claimed because you can always backtrack and pull the "I said she was on her meta!" gig to explain your absence on the train.

 

Scum 101.

 

I also strongly dislike what you are suggesting in regards to hydra hunting, and not simply because I am a hydra this game. A beautiful and majestic one, I might add. For one, you keep saying there are 16 slots. There's 19, so it's 14:5, which is says clearly in the VC that you quoted. This lessens the probability by a good amount of your theory that multiple hydras are on the scum team. While it is still very possible you seem to be saying that we should isolate the hydra teams and proceed in that fashion. I dislike this for obvious reasons, namely the fact that you are suggesting we more or less ignore other gameplay to focus on the hydras because they *could* pose a bigger threat. I also disagree with this on a fundamental level because as others have already pointed out, having 2 heads to one slot doubles the chance that one of them slip up. It also ignores the blatant advantage it gives to town for those hydras because they function very much like a Mason pair in the sense that they are two sets of eyes that are confirmed to each other to dissect the game together.

 

In short, this feels like a scum agenda. You are isolating a pool of several slots (enough to bring the game to Mylo) and suggesting we more or less policy lynch them systematically because of a faulty theory that the scum team can control the thread.

 

No bueno.

I don't think she is scum, but she could be.  How is this scummy? Anyone who feels someone is 100% town is either a mason or mafia.  Only the mafia are sure of who is mafia and who isn't.  I assume ANYONE besides myself could be scum.  As I'm sure we can discuss further at a later time, to assume someone is 100% town just because they appear to be town is often fatal.  Don't Trust Anyone.

 

My hands got dirty the moment I voted Mishtress.  Was it not I who turned this from a spam-fest to an actual game with that vote? I also am the lead vote on the second largest train right now.  How can my hands be any dirtier?  (.......insert meme unfit for Dawn's eyes here....)

 

It is simple.  I am not voting Red because she hasn't given me any reason to.  The more others press on this, the more likely I feel she is town.  I can only assume that the point of your post is that you are attempting in some form to blame me for her lynch.  Your logic baffles me.

 

You are right about the 19 slots.  My mistake. My head was still in an earlier game that I am no longer part of.  I won't make the same mistakes here that I did there.  Yes I am trying to isolate our target pool to a smaller number.  Its kinda part of what an effective scumhunter does.  Would you rather go after 5 out of 19 player slots, or 2 out of 7?  I'm not saying we slay them all, but we look among them as to who is likely the scummiest.  I mean, that's what mafia is all about.  When player x is lynched and flips scum/town, you look among those who voted or didn't vote.   That's the same thing. 

 

ANd you have yet to address the added advantage a scum team has by having even just one hydra with them.  That's one extra voice.  One extra person to flood the thread with propaganda and spin.  One extra person to lead the sheep down the path of destruction.  By looking at the names, I'm sure that Darthe didn't put a strong player with a week one.  DespoWomby alone are a vicious team. 

 

Again, it is not certain that there is even one hydra team with the scummies, but it is likely.  It is possible that there may be as many as three or four, but narrowing down our suspects is exactly what we are supposed to be doing.  I will write off your apprehension to this gambit as to you being a hydra yourself; however, if you KNOW you are not scum, you have nothing to worry about.  Let's look to those hydra that ARE likely scum......

 

 

......for example....

 

.....Mishtress!

 

 

 

 

When I flip my vote to Red, THEN you can officially say that my opinion has completely changed.  Based on what I have read, I don't think she is mafia.  I think some people see her as dangerous and want her out of the game.  They are called scum.  We should lynch them instead.

 

Havent attempted my reread yet. But i have a vague idea of the events going on. I like where mynd's head is at. I dont feel that red is scum and im quite sure people are scared of her and they should be, i dont like how she isnt fighting as much as i saw her do last time. On the contrary my other half does and i have yet to discuss it with him.

 

@mynd I dont know that you should look to far into how characters match up to the story though. The red wedding was a massacre and it eliminates multiple roles if you try to match the story to the setup. Ill probably break down and do a 20 page reread tonight. Going to the gym now so this is all i have to add. 

 

 

Sure, but we can all agree that whoever is Rob Stark in this game is town, right?  Likewise, Bolton and Frey will likely be scum, agree? 

[Lenlo]

 

 

Oh hai Lenlo :) 

Miss me?

 

Yup. You are one of my new favorite funny posters. 

 

Well glad to know someone appreciates me.

[Verbal32]

that's what she said

$0.75 please

[Tommyrod]

[Myndrunner]

[amegakure]

 

 

I think you're imagining it.

 

The only thing I've seen from Mynd irt Red is stuff like this:

 

I actually am not buying her claim as much anymore. 

 

she could be fake claiming but it doesn't mean she's scum either. 

 

She could be scum,

 

I smell a rotten bandwagon.

 

 

Well, for one she could be scum.  If I believed she was, that is where my vote would be.  I smell a rotten bandwagon because I don't think she is and her lynch built up very fast.  Usually in these cases it is because a lot of scum saw an opportunity to jump on board.  That and some narrow-minded townies.  Its frustrating to play a game where 1/3 of the town simply go along with the flow and not put any actual thought into things.  Just yelling "SCUM" without anything to back it up is no way to win.

 

Yes Mynd, let's chat. If you would like to see my explanation on your scummy post look here .

 

Essentially, what you are saying is that you don't find Red scummy because X but you doubt her claim because Y. I took several examples from one post where you are saying "I don't think Red is scum, but she could be" etc. This allows you to play both sides of the argument. You can defend her via meta, but continue to add motivation to her wagon without actually voting her by casting doubt on her character/role. It's a good way to keep you from getting your hands dirty in the event that she is lynched and flips as she claimed because you can always backtrack and pull the "I said she was on her meta!" gig to explain your absence on the train.

 

Scum 101.

 

I also strongly dislike what you are suggesting in regards to hydra hunting, and not simply because I am a hydra this game. A beautiful and majestic one, I might add. For one, you keep saying there are 16 slots. There's 19, so it's 14:5, which is says clearly in the VC that you quoted. This lessens the probability by a good amount of your theory that multiple hydras are on the scum team. While it is still very possible you seem to be saying that we should isolate the hydra teams and proceed in that fashion. I dislike this for obvious reasons, namely the fact that you are suggesting we more or less ignore other gameplay to focus on the hydras because they *could* pose a bigger threat. I also disagree with this on a fundamental level because as others have already pointed out, having 2 heads to one slot doubles the chance that one of them slip up. It also ignores the blatant advantage it gives to town for those hydras because they function very much like a Mason pair in the sense that they are two sets of eyes that are confirmed to each other to dissect the game together.

 

In short, this feels like a scum agenda. You are isolating a pool of several slots (enough to bring the game to Mylo) and suggesting we more or less policy lynch them systematically because of a faulty theory that the scum team can control the thread.

 

No bueno.

I don't think she is scum, but she could be.  How is this scummy? Anyone who feels someone is 100% town is either a mason or mafia.  Only the mafia are sure of who is mafia and who isn't.  I assume ANYONE besides myself could be scum.  As I'm sure we can discuss further at a later time, to assume someone is 100% town just because they appear to be town is often fatal.  Don't Trust Anyone.

 

My hands got dirty the moment I voted Mishtress.  Was it not I who turned this from a spam-fest to an actual game with that vote? I also am the lead vote on the second largest train right now.  How can my hands be any dirtier?  (.......insert meme unfit for Dawn's eyes here....)

 

It is simple.  I am not voting Red because she hasn't given me any reason to.  The more others press on this, the more likely I feel she is town.  I can only assume that the point of your post is that you are attempting in some form to blame me for her lynch.  Your logic baffles me.

 

You are right about the 19 slots.  My mistake. My head was still in an earlier game that I am no longer part of.  I won't make the same mistakes here that I did there.  Yes I am trying to isolate our target pool to a smaller number.  Its kinda part of what an effective scumhunter does.  Would you rather go after 5 out of 19 player slots, or 2 out of 7?  I'm not saying we slay them all, but we look among them as to who is likely the scummiest.  I mean, that's what mafia is all about.  When player x is lynched and flips scum/town, you look among those who voted or didn't vote.   That's the same thing. 

 

ANd you have yet to address the added advantage a scum team has by having even just one hydra with them.  That's one extra voice.  One extra person to flood the thread with propaganda and spin.  One extra person to lead the sheep down the path of destruction.  By looking at the names, I'm sure that Darthe didn't put a strong player with a week one.  DespoWomby alone are a vicious team. 

 

Again, it is not certain that there is even one hydra team with the scummies, but it is likely.  It is possible that there may be as many as three or four, but narrowing down our suspects is exactly what we are supposed to be doing.  I will write off your apprehension to this gambit as to you being a hydra yourself; however, if you KNOW you are not scum, you have nothing to worry about.  Let's look to those hydra that ARE likely scum......

 

 

......for example....

 

.....Mishtress!

 

 

 

 

When I flip my vote to Red, THEN you can officially say that my opinion has completely changed.  Based on what I have read, I don't think she is mafia.  I think some people see her as dangerous and want her out of the game.  They are called scum.  We should lynch them instead.

 

Havent attempted my reread yet. But i have a vague idea of the events going on. I like where mynd's head is at. I dont feel that red is scum and im quite sure people are scared of her and they should be, i dont like how she isnt fighting as much as i saw her do last time. On the contrary my other half does and i have yet to discuss it with him.

 

@mynd I dont know that you should look to far into how characters match up to the story though. The red wedding was a massacre and it eliminates multiple roles if you try to match the story to the setup. Ill probably break down and do a 20 page reread tonight. Going to the gym now so this is all i have to add. 

 

 

Sure, but we can all agree that whoever is Rob Stark in this game is town, right?  Likewise, Bolton and Frey will likely be scum, agree? 

 

Agreed but there is only so many black and white claims. Some are gonna be grey and running up a lynch on them seems iffy.