[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[nervositee]

 

Will someone wake me up when you are done with the off-topic "how-to-play-mafia"-bickering and people start playing again? 

 

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

Leave it at that? 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Claiming scum while being scum, null or not, would be so stupid no-one would think of anyone doing it. Might be a double-win for Darthe both seeming town AND diverting attention. 

 

Rest of the scum-team is probably inactives at this point. 

What makes you think they are inactive.. 

 

 

 

Well, it only makes sense that when the game is off somewhere else, then scum has the perfect excuse to keep their heads down and stay out of the sidetrack. 

[amegakure]

yea thats a possibility but i dont like to underestimate scum. Not everyone feels the need to lurk even if they are mafia

[Krakalakachkn]

catching up

[nervositee]

catching up

 

Liking your avatar

[Tyler Glembo]

Popping in before heading off to dinner. Interesting, and completely useless convo so far. All of it feels pretty town given the tone of people's (Darthe, CS, Verb) posts.

[Krakalakachkn]

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

So Darthe "hard claims mafia"

 

 

Then CS comes in with:

 

 

I agree with Darthe about early town claim or scum claim not being a tell either way.

 

We have an advanced game with unknown mechanics however. This experimental clock design might have interesting stuff

 

So I'll treat scum claims by voting them.

 

Simple? Yes. But it seems like the way to go.

 

CS, you claim to agree with Darthe about an early claim, of either faction, being null (or as you put it, "not a tell"), and yet you go on to contradict yourself 

 

here:

 

 

 

Salami has done so within the first ten pages of at least eight games in recent memory and yet here he argues that he wants to lynch anyone for doing the same except with the word mafia. Yet he doesnt vote me. What does this say to you?

Let's see.

 

I never "claimed town". Moreover, even the question is wrong as it (from you I believe deliberately) confuses, mixes up situations.

 

"Claiming town" is not null in an advanced game. Claiming scum is not null either. Worse, they are in no way equal.

 

I argue I'd like to lynch anyone who claims scum on this game. Cause it's not null. It can only help Maffia.

 

You haven't claimed anything.

 

 

Furthermore, what you say in italics is contradictory to your actions as you aren't voting for Darthe after he hard claimed scum.  If you were arguing about Darthe's claim specifically then that's one thing, but you're not, you're arguing about general play and it seems that you've stumbled over your words a few times because of it.

 

 

##unvote, vote CS

 

 

Also, this argument about LDs is ridiculous in this thread, take it elsewhere please. 

[Krakalakachkn]

Is this where you post 14 more times after the goodnight post?

 

Apparently there's a fist for everything.

 

 

catching up

 

Liking your avatar

 

 

You don't F*** with Francis Underwood.

 

 

 

Maybe Darthe can take some pointers on how to manipulate people without stepping in quicksand.

[Darthe]

Lol Salami thread?

[Hallia]

I LOVE Frank.  He's the baws.

[csarmi]

Reading comprehension fail, Krak, but I'll help you :-)

 

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

So Darthe "hard claims mafia"

 

 

Then CS comes in with:

 

 

 

I agree with Darthe about early town claim or scum claim not being a tell either way.

 

We have an advanced game with unknown mechanics however. This experimental clock design might have interesting stuff

 

So I'll treat scum claims by voting them.

 

Simple? Yes. But it seems like the way to go.

 

CS, you claim to agree with Darthe about an early claim, of either faction, being null (or as you put it, "not a tell"), and yet you go on to contradict yourself 

 

here:

 

 

 

 

Salami has done so within the first ten pages of at least eight games in recent memory and yet here he argues that he wants to lynch anyone for doing the same except with the word mafia. Yet he doesnt vote me. What does this say to you?

Let's see.

 

I never "claimed town". Moreover, even the question is wrong as it (from you I believe deliberately) confuses, mixes up situations.

 

"Claiming town" is not null in an advanced game. Claiming scum is not null either. Worse, they are in no way equal.

 

I argue I'd like to lynch anyone who claims scum on this game. Cause it's not null. It can only help Maffia.

 

You haven't claimed anything.

 

 

Furthermore, what you say in italics is contradictory to your actions as you aren't voting for Darthe after he hard claimed scum.  If you were arguing about Darthe's claim specifically then that's one thing, but you're not, you're arguing about general play and it seems that you've stumbled over your words a few times because of it.

 

 

##unvote, vote CS

 

 

Also, this argument about LDs is ridiculous in this thread, take it elsewhere please.

 

1) I haven't stumbled over my word. Claiming your alignment early is not a tell (it's not a "scumtell" or "towntell" (not sure I can define what a "tell" means, but it's apparent that we have a different definition in mind)), but it is not null as a game action (because it's a statetement that can be LD checked, for instance... or there might be other mechanics involved).

 

2) Darthe didn't claim anything. But I think I said that?

[Darthe]

Apparently I didn't claim anything.

 

 

[csarmi]

@Darthe: Are you seriously trying to argue that a mathematician would fail in maths?

 

@Vos: You seem to be putting the blame of "derailing the conversation" on Darthe only. Why do you assume that I wouldn't be doing that (or Verb even). Do you know my alignment?

 

#Verb: I'll have to check back later, but it seems to me that Verb is doing what he seems to love to do as maffia: to do a little misconstruing of one's words by selectively quoting/reading stuff to make people look better. For instance, I said that "LD is common enough" and for me it seems that he was trying to fix in people's heads that I said LD "was common". I would say that he understood my post and knows the difference.

 

Don't remember much else for now.

[csarmi]

Apparently I didn't claim anything.

 

 

You didn't.

 

You said you "would like to hard claim maffia". That's not a claim by any means - I assume that you would select your words carefully.

[csarmi]

I'm not arguing over semantics either. I didn't read that as a claim and I'm pretty sure I shouldn't.

 

But it's strange that people seem to treat it as if it was a claim... maybe I'm interpreting the "I would" stuff badly? English is strange that way, but I don't think I am.

[hazelkrs1]

Official vote count

 

Dice (1): TG
Darthe (1): Vos

Csarmi (1): Krak

Not voting: Amega, Darthe, Csarmi, Xthrax, Pral, Monk, Dap, Verb, Time, Dice, Hallia, Lenlo, Rhea.

A deadline is now in effect http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140306T0001&p0=1375&msg=End+of+Day+1

[csarmi]

Anyone else been affected by this toll?

[csarmi]

I got lynch proof for 24 hours.

[dicetosser1]

I expected reactions and attention.  I don't see how you can blame me for it though as it isn't something that warrants blame.  It is the direction of the game.  That would be like blaming me because we have a countdown until night.

 

problem is it can have the opposite effect too

 

 

 

 

I expected reactions and attention.  I don't see how you can blame me for it though as it isn't something that warrants blame.  It is the direction of the game.  That would be like blaming me because we have a countdown until night.

He can blame you for it because it was a completely random. artificial direction created by you. If you hadnt made such an outrageous weird claim then we would be in a completely different situation. Personally I dont care we have picked up and im glad for it. 

 

 

I do agree with the blue

[dicetosser1]

I tried multiquoting this 3 times and failed so i just copied it

 

Csarmi

 

I can see why krak said you were contradicting yourself. Please explain to me if, when you say

 

 

""Claiming town" is not null in an advanced game. Claiming scum is not null either. Worse, they are in no way equal."

 

in that sentence are you talking about claiming something EARLY   or about claiming something just during the normal process of the game?

[csarmi]

@Dice: I think Krak's problem is that he doesn't see difference between something being (not being) a "tell" and something being (not being) null.

 

The problem is - I don't think I can define/explain it very well, but those things are different for me.

[csarmi]

Gotta prepare some database then I get back to your question.

[csarmi]

I tried multiquoting this 3 times and failed so i just copied it

 

Csarmi

 

I can see why krak said you were contradicting yourself. Please explain to me if, when you say

 

 

""Claiming town" is not null in an advanced game. Claiming scum is not null either. Worse, they are in no way equal."[/size]

 

in that sentence are you talking about claiming something EARLY   or about claiming something just during the normal process of the game?

I mean that both in general sense (during the course of the game) and in specific sense (early). Neither is null. It isn't a "tell".

But claiming your alignment in an advanced games is an action that can have a direct effect on the game (apart from being analyzed for why you did that and such).

[Verbal32]

 

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Wut?  The claim is null but the effects of the claim are scummy and my fault?

 

 

i agree with darthe on the null claim...however, it is not a null claim if it is somehow proven 

 

Obviously.

 

I agree that mafia isn't going to be too active atm.  This was intended to garner reactions and all it has done is shown that Salami doesn't have a firm grasp on inference and math.

 

 

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

 

 

@Salami:  you are the one confusing things here.  A null tell means you can't gain a tell from the post(s) in question.  There is no lean towards town or scum in a null tell.  End of.

[Verbal32]

I got lynch proof for 24 hours.

 

That's too bad.  You're starting to become like the old Ape - argue with people for inconsequential reasons and making mountains out of molehills.  It is frustrating to argue semantics with you and try to scumhunt at the same time......because you are dominating the discussion and making it hard to focus elsewhere.

[csarmi]

If I ask your alignment and you have only one reply that makes sense (town), then you giving that reply is a null tell but not a null action.

 

That's what I'm saying.

 

Anyway...

 

Has everyone checked in yet?